[Basic] Blood Moon Mafia - Game Over.

[Tommyrod]

Imagine a world

 

In this world I am town

 

Because I am

 

Now what?

[Tommyrod]

 

I have to take pretty big issue with that list of reads, Golden.

Here's why;

 

 

Ok guys..sorry for my absence..working day shifts this week and it's been very difficult to participate from work.  And I don't spend too much time on the puter when at home with my wife.  Not fair to her considering my work schedule.

 

First..I don't see why people are piling on Tommy.  He is aggressive..but not negative aggressive.  Get over it.  It's not like he called anyone a "crappy player" in his first post or anything.  :P

 

I have a ton of mixed reads.  Some who have started out very scummy have turned town, and very town turn scummy.

 

Golden has gone for reasonable succinct player to emotional mess defender of the maiden.

 

Mish has gone from uber scummy to most likely town.  Her failure to claim at l-1 is a town tell to me.

 

Despo is walking the fine line...like he usually does.   I can go either way with him.

 

Tommy...I'm watching for a few things on him.  Not ready to give a read yet.

 

Alanna.  Definitely town.

 

Cloud...coasting which leads me to slight scum.

 

unCsarming - Scum lean.  But need to watch some more.

 

 

 

Here's a question - from a scum POV, what would be the point of pretending to not be familiar with the game setup? So Despo did that just to further his case on Mish? Super sloppy move, since it's a given others will immediately jump on him for making this mistake (as, you know, several people have). I just don't buy it.

 

 

Classic town-slip type move that scum would make.  There is a great reason for doing it. Playing dumb works.

  Here's a post from Peace. You said he's null because he hasn't contributed much. But here he clearly FOS you and supports me. Why are you not linking us if you think linking is so important?

 

Golden you're making no sense. First you chastize Mish for saying that she wasn't given time to claim.

Then you go on about how not claiming wasn't indicative of her alignment (which she didn't say it were).

On top of all that, with a twist you ask her why she didn't say her piece at L-2. Where she never even had the chance to speak... which was kind of the point of discussion.

I get it. If she wears a hat, she's scum. If she doesn't wear a hat, she's scum.

Nice reasoning.unvote vote Golden

 

Here Salami is clearly supporting me and voting you but you still have him as a null read? Why aren't you (very obviously) linking us? You just chastised me for not linking Hallia directly to you as scum-scum. Whys it okay for you not to?

I also think that Tom came out the worse after his exchange with GE, which I actually find quite surprising.

 

 

But here's the kicker: Cloud has been busy and hasn't said much, but here he's clearly siding with you earlier in the game, and yet he's your only SCUM read apart from me and Mish?

I think you're just not reading the thread, which matches your "I'm rubber you're glue" arguments. Your logic certainly doesn't make sense as to why you suspect people.

Can we vote Golden now? Is this enough evidence yet? =\

 

This makes literally no sense. I should suspect everyone who sides with you and clear the people who side with me? That's ridiculous and it would be the single worst reasoning behind a list of reads ever. If you actually believed this, I would direct you to go back and read Peace's intro to Mafia thread. But you don't need to, you've played in a champions league...

 

Peace consistently throws votes my way, I'm neither bothered by it nor surprised by it. Day 1 votes mean so little until a lynch is achieved, they could be placed there for a myriad of reasons- pressure, joke, an underlying dislike of the other player, actual gameplay.

 

Yeah I'm not linking Salami to anyone. I won't discuss current games, but it's not a surprise to see him voting for me anywhere. He's not above looking for an excuse to vote me and I don't think his failure to maintain means anything in regards to his read from me.

 

Cloud- have you ever played with him? Cause Cloud posts. He posts a lot. He posts reads and theories, then analysis of his reads and theories. It is interminable. That said I enjoy his play. Nonetheless, when a player disappears, you should be wary of them even if they give a reason for it. 

 

On the whole, such a weak case from you Tommy.

1. Clearing people who side with you is pretty much what you've done... Hallia and Des. The exception is Cloud, who you seem to have ignored. But if you were town I expect you would have more of a null read on Cloud than scum since he supported your argument over mine. Acting like I'm stupid doesn't make my points any less valid...

 

2. Peace didn't vote you. He FOS'd you and supported me. I have to imagine you're still not reading.

 

3. So you're gonna ignore all of Salami's thread presence and rely exclusively on meta to read him... makes sense... not sure what you're talking about with his failure to maintain reads... he voted you and hasn't moved off yet

 

4. Cloud has made it known that he's busy IRL, I'll buy that for a day phase... so this is again you using meta almost exclusively to form a read, and not reading the thread.

 

What gives? That's superbly flimsy reasoning for your reads so far.

 

And your scum read on Mish depends on Hallia being town...

 

Your scum read on me depends on Mish being scum and Hallia being town...

 

Mish has even questioned why I am defending her so much and why Hallia hasn't commented on you white knighting her to kingdom come

 

Why do you have a lock town read on Hallia in the first place? Meta? Because multiple people have noted she's acting differently in this game, as am I; yet that's a lot of your proof for me being scum...

 

See the problem(s) here?

 

I'm sure other people will.

[Andrej]

@AJ how long until deadline? Any chance of a countdown link? *bats eyelashes*

 

Since you asked so nicely.

 

Day 1 Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140124T22&p0=224&msg=Day+1+Deadline&csz=1&swk=1

[peacesells]

My last game I was scum with Golden. He got lynches D1 but was good at distancing from his partners. It helped us win at the end.

 

But he wasn't particularly good at not being scummy. Someone (I forget who) pegged him almost immediately as scum because he was simply not making sense. The argument was that as town Golden is articulate and well reasoned, as scum he just rams into things.

 

Which would you say he's doing now? I know my answer.

 

That was me.  :P

 

 

Tommy, to clear something up.  I was definitely not clearing you with that early post I made.  I was making a joke referencing our little tangle that started off the Christmas game. 

 

On the Golden/Tommy fight.   Tommy is coming across as deliberate and giving concrete reads.   Golden is coming off as emotional and throwing insults. 

 

Town does get emotional often.  Scum are often very logical. 

 

This is the second game where Tommy has buddied me or used my play to support his thesis.  The first game he was scum.  So, although I like a lot of his approach I am wary.

 

I also think both players could be strong town assets. 

 

Better to lynch Hallia instead.

 

VOTE HALLIA

 

##VOTE HALLIA

 

Don't remember the voting rules of this game. 

[csarmi]

Gonna go to sleep early tonight. I like my vote where it is.

 

I should be up before deadline, taking an early train home.

 

Night all.

[Tommyrod]

 

My last game I was scum with Golden. He got lynches D1 but was good at distancing from his partners. It helped us win at the end.

But he wasn't particularly good at not being scummy. Someone (I forget who) pegged him almost immediately as scum because he was simply not making sense. The argument was that as town Golden is articulate and well reasoned, as scum he just rams into things.

Which would you say he's doing now? I know my answer.

 

 

That was me.  :P

 

 

Tommy, to clear something up.  I was definitely not clearing you with that early post I made.  I was making a joke referencing our little tangle that started off the Christmas game. 

 

On the Golden/Tommy fight.   Tommy is coming across as deliberate and giving concrete reads.   Golden is coming off as emotional and throwing insults. 

 

Town does get emotional often.  Scum are often very logical. 

 

This is the second game where Tommy has buddied me or used my play to support his thesis.  The first game he was scum.  So, although I like a lot of his approach I am wary.

 

I also think both players could be strong town assets. 

 

Better to lynch Hallia instead.

 

VOTE HALLIA

 

##VOTE HALLIA

 

Don't remember the voting rules of this game.

I realized after I posted that you said you weren't sure about me. I got you mixed up. Still, you did FOS Golden.

 

Why do you think Hallia is scummier? Just wondering. Not arguing.

[Tommyrod]

Oh you did explain it. Nevermind.

 

(Playing 4 games on my phone is hard)0

[peacesells]

 

 

My last game I was scum with Golden. He got lynches D1 but was good at distancing from his partners. It helped us win at the end.

But he wasn't particularly good at not being scummy. Someone (I forget who) pegged him almost immediately as scum because he was simply not making sense. The argument was that as town Golden is articulate and well reasoned, as scum he just rams into things.

Which would you say he's doing now? I know my answer.

 

That was me.  :P

 

 

Tommy, to clear something up.  I was definitely not clearing you with that early post I made.  I was making a joke referencing our little tangle that started off the Christmas game. 

 

On the Golden/Tommy fight.   Tommy is coming across as deliberate and giving concrete reads.   Golden is coming off as emotional and throwing insults. 

 

Town does get emotional often.  Scum are often very logical. 

 

This is the second game where Tommy has buddied me or used my play to support his thesis.  The first game he was scum.  So, although I like a lot of his approach I am wary.

 

I also think both players could be strong town assets. 

 

Better to lynch Hallia instead.

 

VOTE HALLIA

 

##VOTE HALLIA

 

Don't remember the voting rules of this game.

I realized after I posted that you said you weren't sure about me. I got you mixed up. Still, you did FOS Golden.

 

Why do you think Hallia is scummier? Just wondering. Not arguing.

 

 

I've previously outlined my thoughts on her and they haven't changed.  Golden does seem scummy to me.  But there are counter indicators showing up that make me uncertain. 

[Tommyrod]

Tell me about them because if you think me VS golden is town-town fighting then we are wasting our time

 

And sanity

[Andrej]

Page grab.

[Andrej]

Vote Count 1.15

 

Mish (1) - Cloud

Hallia (1) - Peace

Goldeneyes (2) - Csarmi, Tommy

Tommy (3) - GE, Despo, Hallia

 

Not Voting: Alanna, Mish

 

5 to lynch.

 

DL: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140124T22&p0=224&msg=Day+1+Deadline&csz=1&swk=1 (10 hours)

[peacesells]

Tell me about them because if you think me VS golden is town-town fighting then we are wasting our time

 

And sanity

 

If you think that is what I was saying, you will probably want to re-read.   I am in no way making that statement.

[Hallia]

Mish ya gotta red unvote

[Tommyrod]

 

Tell me about them because if you think me VS golden is town-town fighting then we are wasting our time

And sanity

 

 

If you think that is what I was saying, you will probably want to re-read.   I am in no way making that statement.

I read it I am asking about these counter indicators

[_CLOUD]

My reads (next to the ones I already have) until the start of page 12: 

 

 

Durn. Mish started fear mongering about lynches again. Looks like she was scum after all.

Unvote, Mish

Okay, and back to thinking Mish is town again.

Unvote for now, will see if I wanna put it back on Tommy later or on someone else. Peace being this inactive is a bit strange.

Despo's constant voting and unvoting from Mish at this stage of the game is giving me a townie vibe. Uncertainty isn't a trait that I associate with his scum meta.

 

 

I'm vanilla; should've been obvious by my lack of claim. I'm talking about the fact that Hallia put me at L-1 and risking that I wouldn't even get the chance to claim or say anything before being hammered, since I hadn't been on for hours. Misrepping much? (I know you like that word).

I believe you. I read your play as disinterested, slightly sardonic town. Is that about right? If you're town I bet someone will hammer you, so I'll ask ahead of time: who should we be going after next?

 

 

Not disinterested, overworked. I kinda shouldn't have signed up for this game; but I did so now I gotta push through and do my part.

First of, I'd say I'm pretty sure there's one mafia between Hallia and Cloud. My gut says both. And after that I'd say one of those who hasn't commented much/commited on my train... In my experience that's a place the mafia likes to hide out on D1. So much easier if town just does the work for them.

Alright. I'm going to bed.

Salami would be someone who hasn't commented much, I believe. Peace is MIA as well.

 

Mish is usually very observant about anyone trying to buddy up to her, and she has even tried using buddying as a scumhunting tool in the past so her not calling out to Tom's buddying while the majority of the players have a scum read on her isn't giving me a good feeling. Her attacks on Hallia because she put her on L-1 also sounds weak and forced to me. I mean she is putting up a ruckus that Hallia made a bad move, but even if she was a PR and one of the two wolves would have hammered her it still would have been a good trade. My guess is that she only made that move because she lacked a real scum read until then and saw an easy prey in Hallia, but she was mistaken.


@Tom #195:
These aren’t questions. They are accusations. Any answer that she would have given you at this point would have only made her look worse. You have played together with Hallia in the Christmas game where you were mafia and also ended up pushing for her lynch because you found her play to be scummy, and now you are doing the same thing despite knowing that she is making some of the same mistakes as she did back then.

 

Answering your questions would mean Hallia would have more game-related content in a single post than in most of the entire games she plays. I'll give you some benefit of the doubt here, because you don't know her well, but you are essentially pointing at a mime and screaming "talk or die!" Hallia has consistently been lynched for not being a huge contributor in games I've played. You picking on her for not answering you immediately is more awful than you realize.

Agreed.

I also like the mime metaphor, hehe :)

[_CLOUD]

So far my scum reads are Mish and Tom. I started reading Despo and Golden as more townie during my re-read and I agreed with the things Golden said about Tom while reading page 10 and 11.

[_CLOUD]

Anyway, I will continue with catching up and give my thoughts per page.

[Tommyrod]

Cloud go ahead and catch up. That's all been addressed through further discussion already

[Andrej]

Mish ya gotta red unvote

 

Nah, that's my bad, I missed it.

 

ALL: If you unable to use color because of phone-posting I will accept bolded votes/unvotes.

[Hallia]

Thank you sandy eggo buddy!

[Tommyrod]

Despot is frozen

[_CLOUD]

Apologies for the wait but the dishes really had to be done, lol.

 

Here are my reads until the start of page 16. I'm about to dive into the endless depths of a Despo case :P

 

 

 

 

Answering your questions would mean Hallia would have more game-related content in a single post than in most of the entire games she plays. I'll give you some benefit of the doubt here, because you don't know her well, but you are essentially pointing at a mime and screaming "talk or die!" Hallia has consistently been lynched for not being a huge contributor in games I've played. You picking on her for not answering you immediately is more awful than you realize.

I disagree. All I wanted was for her to refute my suspicions of her in some satisfactory manner, and for other players to comment on the discussion so I can see if people agree or disagree that she's suspicious. She instead told me she was going to ignore me flat out. What am I supposed to think? That someone with a clear conscience would react that way? And all I've been doing is asking people to comment on her reaction. I am not saying "you must vote her." I am saying "what do you think?"

 

Meanwhile, you're throwing a tantrum and saying "you must vote Mish" and using hypocritical arguments to discredit me in the process. Saying you distrust town leaders but being on the same wavelength as Despot for most of the game and acting like an inflexible town leader yourself by trying to force the discussion to be only about Mish? I am being quite patient with you, but your behavior is absolutely ridiculous.

 

 

I don't know why you act like she's incapable of defending herself or making a salient point, either. If she wants to improve as a player, defending herself against a patient and reasonable townie seems like a fair place to start. Opting to stick her fingers in her ears is not. She flat out misrepresented me when she said I'm too mean to talk to. I've been anything but. So I don't know how to interpret that reaction as anything but a fake excuse.

 

 

 

Tommy actually comes across as very reasonable and also quite honest in these two posts. It's clear that he is starting to get frustrated without getting aggressive at those who are attacking him which is giving me a townie vibe.

 

I do know that Golden and Tom can’t be wolf-wolf because they are both starting to get too emotionally invested in their argument for it to be staged.

 

Hallia’s play this game is reminding me a little of Leelou btw.

 

 

Ok guys..sorry for my absence..working day shifts this week and it's been very difficult to participate from work. And I don't spend too much time on the puter when at home with my wife. Not fair to her considering my work schedule.

 

First..I don't see why people are piling on Tommy. He is aggressive..but not negative aggressive. Get over it. It's not like he called anyone a "crappy player" in his first post or anything. :P

 

I have a ton of mixed reads. Some who have started out very scummy have turned town, and very town turn scummy.

 

Golden has gone for reasonable succinct player to emotional mess defender of the maiden.

 

Mish has gone from uber scummy to most likely town. Her failure to claim at l-1 is a town tell to me.

 

Despo is walking the fine line...like he usually does. I can go either way with him.

 

Tommy...I'm watching for a few things on him. Not ready to give a read yet.

 

Alanna. Definitely town.

 

Cloud...coasting which leads me to slight scum.

 

unCsarming - Scum lean. But need to watch some more.

 

 

Here's a question - from a scum POV, what would be the point of pretending to not be familiar with the game setup? So Despo did that just to further his case on Mish? Super sloppy move, since it's a given others will immediately jump on him for making this mistake (as, you know, several people have). I just don't buy it.

Classic town-slip type move that scum would make. There is a great reason for doing it. Playing dumb works.

 

I don’t like this post from Peace. Let me explain why:

 

He isn’t giving his read about Golden and is only commenting in a jokingly manner that he has been defending Hallia. I think that he is actually less emotional in this game then he has been in the past few games that I have played with him which is a definite improvement for his play.

 

Anyway, your read on Mish changing to most likely town doesn’t tell anything because you are again leaving so much wiggle room with your reads. I also don’t get it how her failure to claim at L-1 is a town tell when she said that she was sleeping and thus couldn’t be around to claim. I don’t find it likely that the wolves would claim to be a PR in this game because like I said it would be a good trade off for a PR to sacrifice himself to get a wolf.

 

He can go either way on Despo and he is still watching Tommy. He is leaning scum on Salami, but also has to watch him more so in other words he isn’t sure about him either.

 

He has a slight scum read on me because he claims I’m coasting. I prefer the term inactivity, but I guess I can’t really proof that I haven’t actively been following the game until now so I’ll let it pass.

 

He says that Alanna is definitely town. This is actually surprising because this is the only firm stance he has taken in this post. What makes you read her as town, Peace?

 

And lastly you call Alanna’s post where she asked what the point was of pretending to be familiar with the setup a scum move. So you didn’t have a sure town read on her after all? I’m confused with your sudden 180 of her within the same post.

 

 

Forgot to say, that Saturday and Sunday I can be full bore as I'll be doing 12 hours shifts at work.

 

Oh..and a Hallia read.

 

I like that she is participating more..but I wonder at the shift in style. I can see her being scum and thinking that she can't lurk so much cause she will just get lynched as usual.

 

Can vote Hallia.

More wishy washy reads from Peace when he is talking about Hallia. I don’t want to start sounding like Despo but I don’t think you are playing townie this game :P

 

WLT Peace along with Mish.

 

Tom is looking more and more townie to me since the start of page 12 because he has made valid arguments and I think he is just trying too hard for him to be mafia.

 

 

 

So Hallia initially argues with Mish by insisting her way of playing isn't wrong. Okay, I can buy that. It's kinda villagery.

 

She votes for Des for being opportunistic on a Salami vote. There's some logic there, yeah.

 

But then comes the trouble. Her next post seems to come out of nowhere.

 

I asked her: "Hallia, what do you make of the case against Mish?"

 

She says: "It's early morning in Hallialand, I just got up and reread the thread, but I've gotta walk out the door to go to work, I'll post my thoughts on my lunch break. However, @Tommy I wasn't impressed with her response, but Despo's response was a null to me because I've seen him as mafia just go after me, but he would know that, so he could either actually be glad that I'm posting more, or just buddying. Not sure yet either way.

 

 

Unvote

 

Vote Mish"

 

^ Let's delve into this. She says Mish's case is really good or bad, as she's not sure yet either way. She says Despot's response was null.

 

So she goes from a vote on Despot, to saying both Despot and Mish are null, and then votes for Mish to put her at L-1, all within the same post? I'm sorry, but that makes no sense!

 

Now I know Hallia has a history of not making sense. I got her mislynched for that pretty easily in Salami's game. But she continues to not make sense.

 

"H'ok. A couple of things. Yes I did drop a fake lie-detector hint. I know some people don't read set-ups, and the only people who should get up in arms about it would be scum. Town wouldn't be worried about such a claim, and if scum got all antsy that's fine with me. (*cough*look someone didn't read the set-up*cough* ) XD"

 

^ This is clearly nonsense. And I don't think she's the type of player to be making weird, misconstrued gambits of that kind.

 

She follows up with more weird logic: "And then ^ Waiting for you to get online? One can't be expected to know when everyone is or isn't online, else no one would ever get anything done! No one hammered, I think this signifies a cautious mafia or a group anxious to save one of their own."

 

It seems a bit premature to say that Mish wasn't hammered so she has to be town... the wagon was: Mish (4) - GE, Cloud, Despot, Hallia

 

But Despot is a null/scum read for her at this point, so why does she completely dismiss the idea that scum is on that wagon? There's something missing from the logic here.

 

Note that she and Golden appear to have cleared each other since Golden is outright attacking me for going after Hallia, and Hallia has had no mention of him apparently, and must not think he's scummy since she said Mish wasn't hammered so that proves she's scum.

 

Hallia defends her vote in #131 by saying she went with her gut for the Mish vote (this isn't what she said when she made the vote though), and she never actually justifies what she did find scummy about Mish. She just says that since Mish voted her back, thats OMGUSing, and that must mean she's mafia. That's more bad logic.

 

Now, it's still possible that Hallia really just doesn't have a clear grasp of what is scummy and what isn't scummy in this game.

 

But when you add up a few things:

 

-I don't think Mish is overtly scummy

-Golden has had weird interactions with me in this game, and has been very reductive when he twists my words or creates straw man arguments

-Golden attacked me when I went for Hallia

-Golden and Hallia were both on the Mish wagon

 

I see a very distinct possibility that Hallia/Golden are the wolves.

 

But OF THOSE TWO PLAYERS, the one MORE LIKELY to be a wolf is probably Golden because Hallia is still kind of insane as I saw in our last game together. She looks terrible, really terrible, but I feel safer lynching Golden than her nonetheless.

 

/thread

 

Tommy is obfuscating and trying to pull attention from Mish. Tommy/Mish scum team. The way he's going out of his way to defend her actually makes me think she has a scum PR. Mish has now moved on to Cloud, trying to throw shade on him.

 

Tommy, I don't like how you call people out for "weak cases" within the first 5 pages. Only joke or placeholder votes from you specifically are allowed and logical? Cause that makes no sense. I HAVE played on a scum team with you in Christmas mafia and while I died early, you should remember me from our scum QT. That game just ended. So yes, I have more insight as to how you play specifically because you gave reasons for how and why you were posting certain things. Your dismissal of this pings and you should know better.

I also didn't realize this until now, but he thinks I'm covering for Mish because she has a scum PR. That's funny; there are no scum power roles in JK9.

 

 

 

 

 

Nope I am town, not mafia or third party. What about you Mish?

Why the lie detector-like statement? We know there's none in this game. Awfully defensive there too for a joke.

 

 

Good morning lovelies.

 

Cool to see you again, Tommy! Happy you stayed around even tho my game was a total failure

 

I really dunno what Csarmi's talking about with copying posts.

 

Hallia, warning you now, proper gameplay or I'm gonna lead a policy lynch on you myself, not risking you hiding behind your meta as mafia again

There's nothing improper about my gameplay. Not being the same as yours doesn't make it wrong.

 

Fine, proper might not be the right word. Some actual gameplay then. When you actually do play, you've got good instincts, so it's a shame you use most of your mafia time on lurking or unrelated posts.

 

There was nothing joke-like about what you said to Hallia, it was condescending at best and insulting if taken on its face. You attacked the way she plays, calling it improper. When called out on it you then stated she does not engage in "actual gameplay" and instructed her to "actually play." Hallia's meta has been to read and then post when pressured to or when she has a point to bring up. Not being overactive is a perfectly acceptable form of gameplay. You then pawn it all off as a joke. As you're someone who consistently calls for an end to personal attacks in-game I find the above suspect, but not unusual.

 

Nice try at painting Hallia as defensive without fos'ing her or voting her though. Classic scum move setting people up to look bad for later.

 

unvote

Vote Mish

 

 

It's also worth noting that he goes after Mish originally because she attacked Hallia.

 

 

 

I could not disagree more with this entire "you voted me while I wasn't online" horrible line of argument. You live on an entirely different continent than I do. We all live all over the world. Csarmi is asleep while I'm playing soccer! I have NEVER seen some unwritten rule or agreement that people should wait until each other was online to vote for you. If that were the case Hallia and Pral would win every game! You're making up a fake reason to be offended. Come on now

 

^ Waiting for you to get online? One can't be expected to know when everyone is or isn't online, else no one would ever get anything done! No one hammered, I think this signifies a cautious mafia or a group anxious to save one of their own.

 

You put me at L-1 when I'd stacked up quite a few votes without being online (as apparant by my lack of posts)... You risked someone hammering me without me even being able to answer those accusing me. How is that in any way a pro-town move?

 

It might also signify that the mafia all was on my train already, you "forgot" to mention that possibility...

^^ This, thank you for punting it out Hallia.

 

I'm vanilla; should've been obvious by my lack of claim. I'm talking about the fact that Hallia put me at L-1 and risking that I wouldn't even get the chance to claim or say anything before being hammered, since I hadn't been on for hours. Misrepping much? (I know you like that word).

Again, just making up things you think "should be obvious." I don't understand this at all. By virtue of your not claiming I should believe you're town? Insanity. You also contradict yourself here: You're upset that you might not get a chance to claim, but then you argue that your failure to claim is a defense in and of itself because you're obviously vanilla? Then why would you care that Hallia put you at L-1? Cause according to you, your lack of a claim is basically confirming you as town.

 

What, to give me time to think out a falseclaim or something? Really smart in an open set-up.

 

And the scenario you described might be just what Hallia wanted to happen... What if that person was a townie too? Two town down just like that. Great strategy.

 

I know it's a small game, so as I said before, I'd expect people to be a bit more careful with their votes because it takes so few to get someone lynched.

Why???? You've played by far the scummiest game so far and people are voting you. The real question is, why didn't you claim at L-2 and then start kicking and screaming to avoid a lynch? Instead, you've been sarcastic and are basically blaming the people for voting you of being anti-town. I've got news for you. Even if the entire scum team were on your train and you are town, there would still be townies on your train. I'd expect town Mish to raise a big stink here, you haven't = scum.

 

 

 

Buddying her again.

 

See a pattern?

 

It's such an obvious pattern that I'd suspect Hallia is the town and Golden is the scum in this situation.

 

 

Me gusta. These posts were so good they actually made me reconsider my reads on both Hallia and GE. Well done.

 

Golden is strange. Early on he had the opportunity to get emotional with Mish yet didn't. Then got overly emotional in a defense of Hallia while throwing insults around. Inconsistent..so why is that? What is special about Hallia that he needs to play knight in shining armor?

 

Again..another case of defending a team mate...or attaching himself to vulnerable town?

 

Still, given Hallia's change in play...I think she is scum. And if she were to flip scum...Golden looks bad. If she flips town...it's still 50/50 on Golden.

More flip flopping from Peace. What’s up with this man? I’m really not used to seeing this kind of play from you.

 

 

Yeah, I misunderstood the setup initially. Feel free to vote me. I believe strongly Mish and Tommy are scum. Tommy's reasoning is suspect, but he's managed to make the whole thing about people avoiding his sanctimonious line of questioning. The fact that Tommy seems incapable of understanding my issue is with him is ridiculous, I know he's intelligent enough to realize this. As such, the whole argument is obviously staged on his part to cover for Mish, who he's been white-knighting.

I find this defense from GE to be weak. Like Tom said the first part is whyme-fryme, a scumhunting tool that both GE and Despo like to use a lot. He is restating that he believes Mish and Tommy are scum, but isn't able to provide more reasoning so he settles for using the word "strongly" in the hope that it would add more weight to his statement, lol. He calls Tom's reasoning suspect, but again isn't willing to point it out what exactly he finds to be suspect about his most recent cases on him and Hallia. He calls Tom's disagreement with him ridiculous (are you starting to see the trend here?), and calls his play obviously staged. I find you a lot more convincing when you actually back the things you are saying up with evidence, but sadly it seems like you ran out of words here.

 

 

And I answered your questions, to which you didn't acknowledge. Nice dodge there on your part sir!

Hallia not mentioning GE at all after everything that has happened is also pinging.

 

unvote

vote Tommy

 

Simply cause you're proving to be as incompetent at scum hunting as you are arrogant in this game. Oh and you're obviscum

Yep. GE is scum after all.

 

Also, Tom admitting to not reading Hallia’s response while annoying isn’t a scumtell.

 

 

Unvote, Vote Golden Boy

[michellem]

So... do you still think I'm mafia then since you've now decied that Golden is?

[_CLOUD]

You could still be Golden's teammate as I'm still not really sure about my read on Hallia . She has definitely started to play a lot better this game but she still remains a wildcard in my eyes. I will let you know after I finish my catch-up.

[_CLOUD]

Also, don't forget about Peace. He has also been playing uber scummy. The two wolves will definitely be found between the four of you.