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csarmi

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Day 1, questions at various points: Cloud, Peace about Elf, Peace and Golden about Golden voting Elf and Peace voting Golden because of it, questions Krak about Kraks vote on Hoof, Nolder on the things he finds to comment on, changes mind on Cloud, still finds Peace scummy, Goldens sticking out & Nolder.  Doesn't like the votes on Hallia and ends up voting Nolder. Pushes Nolder quite heavily when his lynch is likely (but really can't find that scummy in and of itself :blush:).

 

Day 2 - Turins NK puts Tommy & Cloud in a bad light, thinks mafia did us a favor by killing Turin as it removed a distracting fight, votes Thinks Krak and Nolder look bad, but keeps his vote on Nolder.  Starts to think that Peace is more likely Town, feels better about Nolder, although both relatively high on list still.  Is good with a Krak lynch tomorrow

 

Night 2 - ISOs all of Kraks posts, but offers no analysis, which is a bit weird.

 

Day 3 - Comments on Leelous NK, says on reread Krak is looking less scummy, 'was that all I had on him?' (think this was in response to us figuring out the Krak word flip thing)  Thinks Via is the way to go (no reference yet to Via in his posts), then says she's analysing stuff and votes Krak (no reason stated at the time).

 

A few things stand out - his reasoning behind voting Peace instead of Golden makes little sense to me, when explaining why Turins NK looks bad for Tommy and Cloud he says it's because they were both pushing for his lynch, yet over N2 they had both sort of cleared him over Goldens lynch (I'd have thought they'd look bad as they were Turins strongest reads, but even then it's wifom).  But given that, it was all early play.  He's not actually as sheepish as I remember particularly over Days 1 & 2 (interesting I disagree with Cloud and think his play was better Day 1 & 2)

 

Onto Krak...

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Ok this sequence doesn't look good in ISOs (which are great up to the point you lose context :cross:).

 

For the record, my reads.


Scum leaning

Peace for his voting pattern
Via for lack of content


Null

Hoof
Cloud
Elf


Town

Tommy
Nolder
Key

 

Peace and Via are his scum reads here.

 

Shortly after, this is where he explains his reads change...

 

 

Krak, can you explain your voting pattern statement in regards to me?

 

First on Golden, prime on Hallia.  No foolproof tell or anything, just wanted to note it.  But Cloud's voting record is also pretty suspect with that hammer on Hallia and second to last on Golden.

 

 

 

Krak I've highlighted Turins reads that were undecided, why did you  focus on Goldens in particular?

 

 

Current thoughts on the List of Players:

  • 01 - Peace:  The refusal to directly state his reasons for voting elf was a bit weird but it was fairly obvious to me that he was saying that he agreed with Cloud's case against her. The snark fest with Tommy is fiesty peace. Slight town lean
  • 02 - Cloud (mentored by Darthe): Severe buddying to Tommy. ("yes sir"? ) as well as chainsaw defense with regards to elf's case against Tommy. He has been quite eager to get thru D1 it appears. This is usually more evident in mafia members that have good roles they want to utilize. The "i'm excited for this game" line doesn't fly for me. When you made the comment "when are we going to lynch Turin or Hoof" there wasn't much hoofie discussion yet. I was wondering why you picked him to put in there with me. You were following Tommy onto me so that I get but why hoofie at that point? or was Darthe pulling your strings there like with the Leelou is town thing? Mafia #2
  • 03 - Krak (mentored by Verb) not much here yet to me. seemed to be primarily peanut gallery type posts. Undecided.
  • 04 - GoldenEyes (mentored by Despothera) his vote on elf came across as a bad Despo impersonation. Like he wanted to sound like Depso but didn't want to put in the effort to multi quote. Just looks like lazy play so far. undecided tho.
  • 05 - TommyRod: Mafia #1. attempting to lead the town.  advocated the "look at inactives" it works every time. Only the SithMafia deal in absolutes. A few other things.  Is Cloud more pro-town than you are? You are constantly defending each other and working together too much.
  • 06 - Leelou (mentored by Wombat) Are you still voting Nolder? You accused me of parking my vote on Tommy but you put your vote on Nolder before he even checked in. maybe hypocrisy is the new black. And if I am tunneling and trying to get him voted out for whatever reason my vote isn't parked. Added to the Tommy defender team. The little shot Night 0 could easily be a distance ploy. If Tommy is mafia like I think then she could very well be also. mafia lean.
  • 07 - Theodora (mentored by Key) Only thing I recall is her early call out of Hoof for claiming Hoof... Were you serious about that? I wasn't sure if it was sarcasm or not... Undecided
  • 08 - Elffern (mentored by Dap) The interaction with Tommy early was interesting. I think she was trying to say that She found Tommy pushing for everyone to play his game off. The not voting until later in the day especially on D1 is classic Dap from about 9 months ago. That she has adopted it is reasonable I guess since she has been away for a while. town lean  
  • 09 - Hally (mentored by Yates) More posting please ( yates must be turning over in his grim reaper hut) Incomplete. 
  • 10 - BFG - Innocent Child -Back away form the alcohol and post more please. you are the only person we know is trying to help town win so all input and thoughts are valuable
  • 11 - dansyc (mentored by Kaylee) ABSENT Waiting for replacement
  • 12 - Nolder: didn't like his advice to BFG. Also didn't like that he called cloud out for actively trying to get a lynch on D1. There is no such thing as pressuring without the intent to lynch. it is like saying that you are voting someone to pressure them. If the votee doesn't think that you are serious then they will just ignore your vote. Also has been fairly reasonable which is usually a sign of mafia Nolder. slight edge to mafia lean. 
  • 13 - BlackHoof: was behaving with just the one silly Blackhoof post which caught Thea's attention. Leaning town still at present
  • 14 - Turin (advised by Pray) Town. but only I know that at present.

 

Mafia: Tommy, Cloud, maybe nolder, maybe Leelou. 

 

Town: BFG, Turin. 

 

. 23 hour day at present. Good  Night now

 

This post is crap.

 

 

A) Feels need to include himself in reads, like we believe that he's town based on his own insistence.  I love that last part, "but I only know that at present."  That suggests two things: 1) He isn't sure he's town, and 2) He doesn't believe BFG is town.  

B) Weak read on Golden

C) Has Cloud as scum #2, and yet hates on Nolder for "calling cloud out for actively trying to get a lynch on D1" in the same post.

D) There is completely such a thing as "pressuring without the intent to lynch."  I've done it so many times that myself alone makes you as incorrect as Nixon (or whoever) when he declared Marijuana a gateway drug.  To suggest otherwise is naive at best.

 

 

 

It was his only read that didn't have anything tangible.  It was literally just a meta-meta read on Despo and was completely worthless.

 

Well that was a good response from via, she certainly is analysing. It is a start.

Since elf is town, that leaves cloud, tommy, via, krak and peace.
Two of them must be mafia.

Out of all, I think thst I will go for krak
##vote krak

 

After you had me back at null?  This smacks of scum.

 

Well I know what side that puts me on.

 

##Vote Krak

 

 

That was quite possibly the worst move you could have made.  Seriously the worst move (besides voting BFG).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nolder & BFG, what do you guys think of this angle? Do you think it's valid, or should I drop it?

I still think Tommy, Krak, or Hoof is scum. In my experience when you're scum and giving reads you generally name at least one of your scumbuddies as scum.


Krak is mafia. Tommy is town. Hoof can still go either way. Quite simple actually :P


##Vote Krak

I didn't ask you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Elf's D1 posts come accross as town to me - she hasn't posted to the same amount since (dropping off of activity would usually draw my attention a bit) but we know why that was, so that turns into a null - so going with a town read on elf.

Knowing elf was town and this came before the MK, makes me shift Via back toward town. So I guess I'm at null to a little town on her. IMO, Elf would be an easy vote for mafia. She was gone awhile and BFG, who is known as town, was already voting her.
You should look at the reasoning Via uses to declare Effie town.

If you look hard enough you will notice that she doesn't mention any. She only says that she has started posting less which doesn't say anything about her allignment.

How can you find this town behavior?

If I look hard enough? I can read, thanks.

I already explained why I thought Via looked town due to that. Also, you are misrepping Via. Did you actually read what she said? She did give a reason and it wasn't due to elf's drop in activity.

Elaboration that you asked for, however, would be welcome from her.

 

 

 

We don't have to wait before the deadline hits to decide on a lynch you know.

 

 

Tom, what do you think about Via?

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I'm fine with either a Cloud of Hoof lynch.  Pretty sure both are scum, rated in that order.  What has Cloud really done this game other than harp on me and faux scum hunt?  Sure he was on Golden's lynch, but I'm not clearing him for that.  Looks like he's getting giddy ever since BFG posted his math read and Elf was modkilled.

 

 

 

I'm fine with going for Hoof today though.  ##Vote Hoof.

 

 

His reads on Hoof and Cloud look a lot like OMGUS.  But more importantly, I don't think either Via or Peace were mentioned inbetween, or had many posts by themselves to move out of his mafia list.  Additionally his read on Cloud is mostly based on old stuff as well, so what changed the read other than the vote?

 

Also I'm a she :dry:

 

Also, mafia know better than anyone how close they are to winning or otherwise, so my screwy numbers wouldn't suddenly make them realize how many lynches were left.

 

It was more because he was so insistent that she was town. There was plenty of time, if he was so sure then why hammer? What's the rush? If he is town and is so sure, sit back and wait to see who hammers and what reason they give.

 

Agree with this tho.

 

 

 

@ Krak - why do you think leelou was NKed?

Krak, did you answer this? If so, I missed it.

I didn't and I don't know. Obviously Via and I were in the perverbial hot seat as far as certain people were concerned. If Nolder is actually Doc then that wifom between him and BFG is reason to stay away from them, and though I hate to say it, (if I were scum) I'd have gone for BFG rather than Leelou (I know, I know, but still). Peace and Tommy are wild cards, so I think it came down to you or Leelou and since you came out as Mason they took the chance on taking out a PR. I think Leelou was a town read for most people.

 

 

Am I remembering this wrong?  Didn't Nolder claim Day 3, so during the night there will have been no WIFOM between me and Nol? 

 

NK, Turin and Leelou.  Turin was likely to be wifom about Cloud and Tommy, but it's interesting that you think Via and you were left alive (I can throw Nolder into this) as potential lynch targets, but ignore the fact that Turin was the same.

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Do not lynch me because I am always scummy, how many town flips have i had recently, whwn i was acting like I am now? I am terrible at being town aha

 

Krak is also a better lynch than me. Just look at his random attack on cloud, with no basis.

 

If we lynch krak..... I am not sure who i would lynch next. I would have to reread and consider things in the wake of his flip. I am not going to randomly OMGUS someone like krak did ahaha.

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Vote Count 3.6

 

Krak (3) - Hoof, Cloud, Nolder

Hoof (4) - Peace, Tommy, Krak, Via

 

Not Voting: Key, BFG

5 to lynch.

 

DL will be 10PM PST on Monday, January 13. (Just over 9 hours)

 

 

Quoted for reference:

 

Do I have this right?

 

Hoofs current reads are Krak

Clouds current reads are Krak/Via and either Peace or Hoof (depending on how many mafia there are)

Nolders current reads are Peace/Tommy then Krak (and Via?)

 

Peaces current reads are Hoof/Via?

Tommys current reads are ? (sorry I can't remember)

Kraks current reads are Cloud/Hoof

Via (sorry can't remember this either)

 

BFG - being annoyingly reticent (sorry), but currently Krak isn't looking good

Key - also need to check...

 

Back in a minute

 

(although would be helpful if anyone else could correct mistakes for me :hopeful:

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Do not lynch me because I am always scummy, how many town flips have i had recently, whwn i was acting like I am now? I am terrible at being town aha

 

Krak is also a better lynch than me. Just look at his random attack on cloud, with no basis.

 

If we lynch krak..... I am not sure who i would lynch next. I would have to reread and consider things in the wake of his flip. I am not going to randomly OMGUS someone like krak did ahaha.

 

 

That was so weak.

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Do not lynch me because I am always scummy, how many town flips have i had recently, whwn i was acting like I am now? I am terrible at being town aha

 

Krak is also a better lynch than me. Just look at his random attack on cloud, with no basis.

 

If we lynch krak..... I am not sure who i would lynch next. I would have to reread and consider things in the wake of his flip. I am not going to randomly OMGUS someone like krak did ahaha.

 

 

That was so weak.

 

 

Nice try Krak. I talked to Darthe and he told me to lynch you because Hoof said you're a better lynch than him.

 

BFG, I'm leaning Hoof/Via at this particular 'mo. 

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AND Krak's reads have changed since the last time he mentioned them from Via and Peace to me and Hoof. Nice case, BFG. 

 

 

 

Do not lynch me because I am always scummy, how many town flips have i had recently, whwn i was acting like I am now? I am terrible at being town aha

Krak is also a better lynch than me. Just look at his random attack on cloud, with no basis.

If we lynch krak..... I am not sure who i would lynch next. I would have to reread and consider things in the wake of his flip. I am not going to randomly OMGUS someone like krak did ahaha.

 

 

That was so weak.

 

 

I also found his post cringeworthy, but he did make a valid point that you had no solid reasoning behind your attack on me this Day, and couple this with you suddenly backing away from Peace and Via (and them not calling you out on it) makes it obvious that you three are the remaining mafia.

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Do not lynch me because I am always scummy, how many town flips have i had recently, whwn i was acting like I am now? I am terrible at being town aha

 

Krak is also a better lynch than me. Just look at his random attack on cloud, with no basis.

 

If we lynch krak..... I am not sure who i would lynch next. I would have to reread and consider things in the wake of his flip. I am not going to randomly OMGUS someone like krak did ahaha.

 

 

That was so weak.

 

 

Nice try Krak. I talked to Darthe and he told me to lynch you because Hoof said you're a better lynch than him.

 

BFG, I'm leaning Hoof/Via at this particular 'mo. 

 

 

lol - there you have it boys and girls the remaining mafia are Cloud and Tommy.

 

Anyways, moving on...

 

In other news, thanks for the reads...

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Tom, Hoof always comes across as super scummy. This isn't anything new for him.

 

Btw, I hate this line of defence.  Up until recently on reread he wasn't actually seeming that scummy (to me).

 

At the moment I intend to vote Krak, but I'd like it if he could explain his change in reads a little more clearly.    I'm ISOing Via, but quickly as I have work in 7 hours

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