[Advanced] Settlers of Catan Mafia - Game Over

[hazelkrs1]

 

I will admit that I will scold people for not picking the obvious choice, which is clearly following me in every game

 

[hazelkrs1]

If someone looks like a flailing townie to me I'll try and tell them how they could relieve pressure off themselves.

 

If someone's inactive, lurking, or coasting I ask nicely for more thoughts or gameplay.

 

I honestly don't think I often tell people there's only one way to play or anything.

 

I understand that's one of the perceptions about me however. /shrug

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

is ok, you play good.

[hazelkrs1]

Thanks!

 

So do you

 

(Hint- you should play more often )

[Nolder]

I-is this what an orgy looks like?

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

I-is this what an orgy looks like?

... maybe you should play less mafia

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

Thanks!

So do you

(Hint- you should play more often )

lol thanks.

 

I'm saving myself and you the agita.

 

one of these days.

[Nolder]

 

I-is this what an orgy looks like?

... maybe you should play less mafia

 

I barely play enough as it is!

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

 

 

I-is this what an orgy looks like?

... maybe you should play less mafia

I barely play enough as it is!

ok...

 

no, this is what friendly chatter looks like.

 

orgies are different.

[Nolder]

pls explain

[GoldeneyesND]

When a man and a woman like each other very much Nol, sometimes they give each other a special hug... 

[peacesells]

If someone looks like a flailing townie to me I'll try and tell them how they could relieve pressure off themselves.

 

If someone's inactive, lurking, or coasting I ask nicely for more thoughts or gameplay.

 

I honestly don't think I often tell people there's only one way to play or anything.

 

I understand that's one of the perceptions about me however. /shrug

 

Actually, you do.  You only consider your perspective when you admonish.  You don't consider that others have different information or motivations.  When town, you think that everyone knows you are town and trust what you are saying.  You completely miss the inherent distrust that goes on.

 

So, when you makes statements like "So and so is the obvious lynch choice."  You fail to recognize that it is only seems obvious to you.  And you also fail to recognize that people have seen you be very wrong in the past.  (We are all very wrong in the past)  So, when you criticize or make those comments it makes you come across as very short sighted, narrow minded and somewhat selfish. 

 

And, even given all that...75% of the time I think it's just game play and you are trying to manipulate the game.  Not necessarily your true thoughts (trust issues).  I don't believe you until the game is over and you reinforce your previous statements.   Then I'm baffled.

 

We all have different dots to connect.  We all have different information to use.  We are all susceptible to different influences that nudge us down different paths.  To assume something is obvious discounts not only others perceptions, but also you own vulnerabilities to being manipulated. (We are all vulnerable)  In this game, nothing is obvious.  Everything comes with at least 10% doubt..and usually much much more.  In my opinion, terms like "obvious" don't belong in a game of deception. 

[hazelkrs1]

I don't believe when I'm town that everyone knows that, that's ridiculous Peace. For you to say that shows a fundamental disconnect in your understanding of how I play. I do think that there have been games where I HAVE made my "towniness" pretty much evident for any to see, and in those cases when people still doubt it I believe it is usually due to a mixture of natural paranoia, which is understandable, and personal bias against me, which really isn't. Honestly tho, lately I think I've been somewhat easy to find as scum recently by the third or fourth day, usually because I overextend myself somewhat.

 

As far as when I say someone is "obviously scum", most of the time I'm kinda talking out my ass, or trying to exert extra pressure on someone for reactions, or to try and prod others. Sometimes I do truly believe someone is obviously scum, and not because of any extra information that I have that others don't or anything. In those cases, it is because if you look at the situation logically, there is essentially no other reasonable conclusion to come to except for that person being scum. So yes, I might say that someone is an "obvious lynch choice", and most often when I say that I'm being genuinely truthful, that not voting that person either indicates you to be scum, or to be unreasonably stubborn (sometimes due to a personal bias against me mebbe).

 

Like say for instance a situation where you have two competing trains, and one ends up getting lynched and is scum. When analysing the trains, you see one person that tried getting the other train lynched instead, and defended the other early in the game or something. The next day that person really is the obvious lynch choice, due to their strong connection to a lynched scummie. It doesn't mean they're guaranteed to be scum, but it means they HAVE to be lynched because the wifom about their connection to that lynched scum will never go away, so anything that person says the rest of the game won't be able to be trusted, and will likely corrupt other's opinions. So they need to go, and immediately the next day. Obviously other factors can come into play, but assuming all other things equal, that is the way town should go the next day.

 

Mafia is a game of deception, and indecision, and obfuscation, but that doesn't mean that there aren't ways to logically deduce the ABSOLUTELY correct decision to make in a certain situation. It isn't always easy to discern those logical methods of deduction, and sometimes they may not even exist if town doesn't have enough info yet, requiring the use of more intuition or "gut feelings". But at the end of the day, logic is and always will be a powerful tool in mafia. And the logic of a situation is rarely subjective, it's usually something that ANYONE in the game can see, regardless of role or individual perspective.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

the game is half logic at most. the rest is psych and instinct and knowing the players.

 

ppl who try to reduce the game to logic and gah blech math either don't do as well as those who allow for intuition or... just take all the fun out of things.

 

speaking as an observer of course. and as a player who never lives through a game

[peacesells]

Logic has a part, but there are too many unknown factors in many game for it to be the sole reasoning method in a game.

 

The ability read people is a much better tool. 

[hazelkrs1]

I def don't think logic should be the only tool that is used, that wasn't my point at all. I agree that a huge part of the game is intuition and knowing how to read people. But obviously this isn't always that easy, since you don't have a face to read or other "tells" that can give you good indicators of whether someone is lying or not. Hence, I do tend to favor using logic more so than other tools when I can.

 

And the flip side of this is that it CAN be kinda easy at tines for the scum team to flip logic on its side and manipulate town because of that. To me, that's where a big part of the fun of the game comes from.

 

Either way, I have the reputation of being a "Sole Arbiter" type of player, and while I think I used to be kinda bad about that, I don't really do that much anymore. I like and encourage different styles and types of players.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

meh everyone gets high horsey. lol I sure do with my single digit experience.

[hazelkrs1]

 

^ high horse

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

go home horse you're .... um...

[Nolder]

IS IT HORSE TIME?!

[hazelkrs1]

[WWWwombat]

Inference + Intuition = Invincible

[WWWwombat]

IS IT HORSE TIME?!

Only if I can put bells in your mane.

[hazelkrs1]

Inference + Intuition = Invincible

 

Interest + Tuition = Indomitable

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

invincible + indomitable = N1 NK