[Basic] The Walking Dead Mafia - Game Over. Theo Wins!

[Babar Hasan Khan]

y BFG more then Mish or theo... because even tough she has been suspicious at times she has actually tried helping out in figuring things out most amongst the remaining players... and while we were all throwing variety of theories around she would take logical steps or may b its just me who things this

[Babar Hasan Khan]

wohooo... we made it above 1000 posts :)

[michellem]

I actually still have a town read on Des... I might regret that later, but oh well, that is what my gut os saying right now. . BFG is still on my suspect list, but that's more a general gut. Theo, is either town being used by the mafia, or mafia, but I'm leaning more towards town right now. Err, I feel is town, I asked my husband about his character (he's seen the show) and how he described the character makes me trust Err. I'm willing to take the risk with Peace, like I said I'm dead next night anyway, so I might as well take the risk of all of us.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

I actually still have a town read on Des... I might regret that later, but oh well, that is what my gut os saying right now. . BFG is still on my suspect list, but that's more a general gut. Theo, is either town being used by the mafia, or mafia, but I'm leaning more towards town right now. Err, I feel is town, I asked my husband about his character (he's seen the show) and how he described the character makes me trust Err. I'm willing to take the risk with Peace, like I said I'm dead next night anyway, so I might as well take the risk of all of us.

no i think if we can still figure things out..... it may be one shot... but lets see what happens

[peacesells]

If I am scum and you all believe Theo is town...why would I have not hammered theo instead of placing a tying vote on Leelou who I thought was the scummier of the two at the time?  If I'm scum, Theo would have been a much easier vote to get away with. 

[michellem]

I have no idea. Everyone has done things that wouldn't make sense if they were mafia.

[Theodora]

If I am scum and you all believe Theo is town...why would I have not hammered theo instead of placing a tying vote on Leelou who I thought was the scummier of the two at the time?  If I'm scum, Theo would have been a much easier vote to get away with. 

If you were scum, you would know that both Leelou and I were town; a lot of people were giving me serious FOS-ing and I was the clear next victim and you had the perfect opportunity to lynch that day Leelou and the other - me (everyone would have voted me if GE hadn't found out about Ishy).

[peacesells]

I don't understand that sentence Theo.  Can you state that again?

[BFG]

Complete trains ( I apologise for any errors)

 

Day 1:

BFG: Nolder , Des, Pral

Lenlo: Des Peace, Ishy, Mish, BFG, Leelou, Peace, Golden, Dap

Dap: Ishy, Nolder, Des, Golden, Dora, Peace

No Lynch: Err

Peace: Err, Pral, Nolder, Dap, Des, Dora, Leelou (Peace claims)

Ishy: Dora

Pral: Leelou

Nolder: Golden

Des: Nolder, BFG, Leelou (Des claims), Lenlo, Golden

Mish: Ishy

Golden: Err, Des,

 

Day 2:

Golden: Ishy, Leelou, Err, (Mish posts intent), Dora

Dap: Peace

Peace: Dap, Des, Dora (Peace claims bomb)

Leelou: Golden, Err, Dap, Dora, Peace, BFG

Theo: Des, Peace, Des, Leelou, Mish, Ishy, BFG,

Err: BFG, Peace

Mish: BFG

 

Day 3:

 

Dora: Mish, Des

Err: Peace

Ishy: Golden, Peace, Mish, Err, (BFG posts intent), BFG, Err

 

Day 4:

 

Err: Mish

 

[Theodora]

Sorry, guys.

 

At the time Leelou's train formed, I was the "obvious" scum around after so much fossing from Despo, Ishy, etc., so I wasn't going anyway - I was the next victim and you got Leelou - a perfect opportunity to kill her that day and me on the next. As a clear scum, I wasn't going anywhere. The plan failed because Goldeneyes found Ishy was scum. Otherwise, I would have been lynched right after Leelou.

[Andrej]

Vote Count 4.3

Not Voting: Peace, Despo, BFG, Mish, Dora, Err

6 alive. 4 to lynch.

DL will be 10PM PST on Tuesday. You've got roughly 36 hours.

[peacesells]

I think you are seeing this solely from your perspective.  If you are town then both you and Leelou would have been equally next day run ups.  So the theory really doesn't hold water.  The point is that if I were scum, you were the easier person to vote and get away with it.   I got way more heat voting Leelou than I would have voting you. 

 

Not too mention that when it when I voted was pretty close to deadline and I was risking a random kill if leelou wasn't hammered.  As scum..there is no way I want a random at that point, not when I could secure a lynch and avoid any potential danger to me or my supposed team.

[michellem]

The train on Leelou had MUCH less basis than that on Dora, so I do see her point.

[peacesells]

Scum can create pretty good basis for trains.  In fact, that's their job. I was looking beyond that and the interactions she had with Ishy.  So I voted her. 

[peacesells]

Plus..that shows that if scum, I would have just hammered her.  Very easy to slide by. 

[Theodora]

And what is your read on Despo, Peace?

[BFG]

Ok, I don't see any point in not claiming now.  I'm Hershel and I'm VT

 

So that gives us a full claims list of:

 

 

Confirmed Claims:

Lenlo: Maggie Green (town lover)

Pral: Glen Rhee (town lover)

Nolder: Daryl Dixon (VT)

Leelou: Michonne (VT)

Dap: Lori Grimes (VT)

Ishy: Philip Blake/The Governor (claimed: Morgan, third party) (goon)

Golden: Carl Grimes (cop)

 

Claims:

Des: Andrea (VT)

Peace: T-dog (bomb)

Dora: Shane (VT)

Mish: Carol Peletier (doc)

Err: Rick Grimes (VT?)

BFG: Hershel Greene (VT)

 

So fairly obviously there are a couple of fake claims on there. 

 

Thoughts on claims independent of anything else (not worth much).

I trust Mish's claim of both Carol and Doc, since I'm apparently the obvious candidate for doc, however this is coupled with the fact that rereading Day 2 on Day 3 meant I was leaning Town anyway, since it's feasible that she managed a credible fake claim.

 

But there are reason to doubt all the others. 

 

Out of Des/Andrea & Dora/Shane, Andrea seems to have the more obvious tie with the Governor and from a pure role perspective is a candidate for GF as the wiki says they develop a 'relationship'.

 

Dora/Shane appears to be more obviously a anti-Town candidate, but I don't see that he's allied with the Governor.  There's also the possibility that she's lying about Shane and was covering up one of the other candidates Des mentioned. 

 

Peace claims T-Dog - according to wiki T-Dog is not a main character he's a 'recurring' one, all of the other characters claimed are 'main characters', however Ishy claimed Morgan, another 'recurring' character.  One further thought about this is the wiki has the character names the way AJ has in the Coroners i.e. Philip Blake/The Governor or Michonne (without a surname), so it is a possible source of information.  Against that is the picture of T-Dog that AJ posted in thread, so maybe he's going off memory, or maybe the picture means nothing *shrugs*

 

Err (and from your perspective mine) are suspect because there are so many characters left to choose from that we had a good chance of hitting one that the other wouldn't claim (and again from your perspective, I didn't have any other claims to worry about).  Err claims that he hasn't doubted the doc claim because he's Rick (and therefor he knows that the obvious characters don't necessarily have claims, but Golden had already flipped Carl as cop, so we already knew that.  Unfortunately I can only say something similar, I haven't doubted Mish's claim and moved her from wary to leaning town (which is about as strong as I'll go without a cop clearance (and not always then) or a Coroners)

 

So in short, the claims aren't helping me much, maybe you can make more of it, this is the information I have/think I have. 

 

And now I have 13 pages of notes from this thread to make of before I can come up with any useful reads.

[BFG]

*make sense of

[Babar Hasan Khan]

Ok, I don't see any point in not claiming now.  I'm Hershel and I'm VT

 

So that gives us a full claims list of:

 

 

Confirmed Claims:

Lenlo: Maggie Green (town lover)

Pral: Glen Rhee (town lover)

Nolder: Daryl Dixon (VT)

Leelou: Michonne (VT)

Dap: Lori Grimes (VT)

Ishy: Philip Blake/The Governor (claimed: Morgan, third party) (goon)

Golden: Carl Grimes (cop)

 

Claims:

Des: Andrea (VT)

Peace: T-dog (bomb)

Dora: Shane (VT)

Mish: Carol Peletier (doc)

Err: Rick Grimes (VT?)

BFG: Hershel Greene (VT)

 

So fairly obviously there are a couple of fake claims on there. 

 

Thoughts on claims independent of anything else (not worth much).

I trust Mish's claim of both Carol and Doc, since I'm apparently the obvious candidate for doc, however this is coupled with the fact that rereading Day 2 on Day 3 meant I was leaning Town anyway, since it's feasible that she managed a credible fake claim.

 

But there are reason to doubt all the others. 

 

Out of Des/Andrea & Dora/Shane, Andrea seems to have the more obvious tie with the Governor and from a pure role perspective is a candidate for GF as the wiki says they develop a 'relationship'.

 

Dora/Shane appears to be more obviously a anti-Town candidate, but I don't see that he's allied with the Governor.  There's also the possibility that she's lying about Shane and was covering up one of the other candidates Des mentioned. 

 

Peace claims T-Dog - according to wiki T-Dog is not a main character he's a 'recurring' one, all of the other characters claimed are 'main characters', however Ishy claimed Morgan, another 'recurring' character.  One further thought about this is the wiki has the character names the way AJ has in the Coroners i.e. Philip Blake/The Governor or Michonne (without a surname), so it is a possible source of information.  Against that is the picture of T-Dog that AJ posted in thread, so maybe he's going off memory, or maybe the picture means nothing *shrugs*

 

Err (and from your perspective mine) are suspect because there are so many characters left to choose from that we had a good chance of hitting one that the other wouldn't claim (and again from your perspective, I didn't have any other claims to worry about).  Err claims that he hasn't doubted the doc claim because he's Rick (and therefor he knows that the obvious characters don't necessarily have claims, but Golden had already flipped Carl as cop, so we already knew that.  Unfortunately I can only say something similar, I haven't doubted Mish's claim and moved her from wary to leaning town (which is about as strong as I'll go without a cop clearance (and not always then) or a Coroners)

 

So in short, the claims aren't helping me much, maybe you can make more of it, this is the information I have/think I have. 

 

And now I have 13 pages of notes from this thread to make of before I can come up with any useful reads.

well... rick is the main character in the game.... so he will definitely be there is not a head scratcher..... and since i am the only one to claim it..... it should tell u that i m the only one who has this character....

 

and i said two things.... i didnt doubt either of the claims of cop/doc when it came to the "characters name".... when golden revealed his role and character people were talking about if he would be an actual cop or not since rick is an obvious choice.... i didnt doubt Golden or even confront him about his character because i knew i was rick and his claim of character is right... 

 

so when theo were talking about mish character being not the obvious one, i was inclined to disagree because it has been like this in the game... not the obvious characters have been cop/doc

[BFG]

It's possible that AJ left Rick out on purpose to see if any of the Mafia would dare claim it, so no, although I'm a little easier about you, you're not 'confirmed'. 

[Babar Hasan Khan]

Plus..that shows that if scum, I would have just hammered her.  Very easy to slide by. 

hmm.... its kind of true too... u did vote 1 hour before the deadline and u voted leelou it could have been easier to hammer.... i went through the posts again and i m thinking hard on the following

 

one hour before the deadline D3:

Leelou (5) - Goldeneyes, Err, Dap, Theodora, Peace

Theodora (5) - Despo, Leelou, Mish, Ishy, BFG

 

lets look at this again.... lets say theos vote doesnt count for a minute cause it could be in self preservation... 

 

then 

a) If Theo is a mafia then Theo and peace are mafia together (even if it seems unlikely since Ishy is on theo train... but lets put it under bussing for a while)

b) if Peace is towny...... then all mafia votes are on theo... that would make her a towny too

 

 

conclusion: peace and theo are in the same team... weather towny or scum

 

so its actually wrong of me to suspect one and not the other...

 

i am inclined to believe that peace and theo could be a towny pair..... couple of reasons.... both made character claims directly or indirectly in day 1.... to big of a risk at the start just incase someone counter claims

 

that leaves Des, Mish and BFG

 

if Mish is a doctor then remaining two mafias are Des and BFG

if Mish is not a doctor then my money will be on Des and Mish

 

in both cases we have Des and the common factor... so killing him seems like an optimal option...

 

i am inclined to vote for Des now

[Babar Hasan Khan]

It's possible that AJ left Rick out on purpose to see if any of the Mafia would dare claim it, so no, although I'm a little easier about you, you're not 'confirmed'. 

y would AJ need to see anything??

[Babar Hasan Khan]

Ok, I don't see any point in not claiming now.  I'm Hershel and I'm VT

 

So that gives us a full claims list of:

 

 

Confirmed Claims:

Lenlo: Maggie Green (town lover)

Pral: Glen Rhee (town lover)

Nolder: Daryl Dixon (VT)

Leelou: Michonne (VT)

Dap: Lori Grimes (VT)

Ishy: Philip Blake/The Governor (claimed: Morgan, third party) (goon)

Golden: Carl Grimes (cop)

 

Claims:

Des: Andrea (VT)

Peace: T-dog (bomb)

Dora: Shane (VT)

Mish: Carol Peletier (doc)

Err: Rick Grimes (VT?)

BFG: Hershel Greene (VT)

 

So fairly obviously there are a couple of fake claims on there. 

 

Thoughts on claims independent of anything else (not worth much).

I trust Mish's claim of both Carol and Doc, since I'm apparently the obvious candidate for doc, however this is coupled with the fact that rereading Day 2 on Day 3 meant I was leaning Town anyway, since it's feasible that she managed a credible fake claim.

 

But there are reason to doubt all the others. 

 

Out of Des/Andrea & Dora/Shane, Andrea seems to have the more obvious tie with the Governor and from a pure role perspective is a candidate for GF as the wiki says they develop a 'relationship'.

 

Dora/Shane appears to be more obviously a anti-Town candidate, but I don't see that he's allied with the Governor.  There's also the possibility that she's lying about Shane and was covering up one of the other candidates Des mentioned. 

 

Peace claims T-Dog - according to wiki T-Dog is not a main character he's a 'recurring' one, all of the other characters claimed are 'main characters', however Ishy claimed Morgan, another 'recurring' character.  One further thought about this is the wiki has the character names the way AJ has in the Coroners i.e. Philip Blake/The Governor or Michonne (without a surname), so it is a possible source of information.  Against that is the picture of T-Dog that AJ posted in thread, so maybe he's going off memory, or maybe the picture means nothing *shrugs*

 

Err (and from your perspective mine) are suspect because there are so many characters left to choose from that we had a good chance of hitting one that the other wouldn't claim (and again from your perspective, I didn't have any other claims to worry about).  Err claims that he hasn't doubted the doc claim because he's Rick (and therefor he knows that the obvious characters don't necessarily have claims, but Golden had already flipped Carl as cop, so we already knew that.  Unfortunately I can only say something similar, I haven't doubted Mish's claim and moved her from wary to leaning town (which is about as strong as I'll go without a cop clearance (and not always then) or a Coroners)

 

So in short, the claims aren't helping me much, maybe you can make more of it, this is the information I have/think I have. 

 

And now I have 13 pages of notes from this thread to make of before I can come up with any useful reads.

i find it very interesting that u passively make a claim of character... last one to do it... and i am the only one here with a ?  with VT....... i think my theory of Des and u being mafia might not be that off 

[BFG]

 

It's possible that AJ left Rick out on purpose to see if any of the Mafia would dare claim it, so no, although I'm a little easier about you, you're not 'confirmed'. 

y would AJ need to see anything??

 

ok, see was a bad choice of words.  Allow that opportunity

 

 

 

Ok, I don't see any point in not claiming now.  I'm Hershel and I'm VT

 

So that gives us a full claims list of:

 

 

Confirmed Claims:

Lenlo: Maggie Green (town lover)

Pral: Glen Rhee (town lover)

Nolder: Daryl Dixon (VT)

Leelou: Michonne (VT)

Dap: Lori Grimes (VT)

Ishy: Philip Blake/The Governor (claimed: Morgan, third party) (goon)

Golden: Carl Grimes (cop)

 

Claims:

Des: Andrea (VT)

Peace: T-dog (bomb)

Dora: Shane (VT)

Mish: Carol Peletier (doc)

Err: Rick Grimes (VT?)

BFG: Hershel Greene (VT)

i find it very interesting that u passively make a claim of character... last one to do it... and i am the only one here with a ?  with VT....... i think my theory of Des and u being mafia might not be that off 

 

 

Because I filled yours in from memory and couldn't remember when I was typing if you'd claimed vanilla or not

[Babar Hasan Khan]

 

Plus..that shows that if scum, I would have just hammered her.  Very easy to slide by. 

hmm.... its kind of true too... u did vote 1 hour before the deadline and u voted leelou it could have been easier to hammer.... i went through the posts again and i m thinking hard on the following

 

one hour before the deadline D3:

Leelou (5) - Goldeneyes, Err, Dap, Theodora, Peace

Theodora (5) - Despo, Leelou, Mish, Ishy, BFG

 

lets look at this again.... lets say theos vote doesnt count for a minute cause it could be in self preservation... 

 

then 

a) If Theo is a mafia then Theo and peace are mafia together (even if it seems unlikely since Ishy is on theo train... but lets put it under bussing for a while)

b) if Peace is towny...... then all mafia votes are on theo... that would make her a towny too

 

 

conclusion: peace and theo are in the same team... weather towny or scum

 

so its actually wrong of me to suspect one and not the other...

 

i am inclined to believe that peace and theo could be a towny pair..... couple of reasons.... both made character claims directly or indirectly in day 1.... to big of a risk at the start just incase someone counter claims

 

that leaves Des, Mish and BFG

 

if Mish is a doctor then remaining two mafias are Des and BFG

if Mish is not a doctor then my money will be on Des and Mish

 

in both cases we have Des and the common factor... so killing him seems like an optimal option...

 

i am inclined to vote for Des now

 

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