[Basic] The Walking Dead Mafia - Game Over. Theo Wins!

[michellem]

Err is where I'm most willing to place my vote too.

[hazelkrs1]

@Mish: Sorry, I haven't been able to do a reread yet, won't be able to till tonight when I'm at work.

 

For now I'm thinking I was wrong about Theo and BFG maybe. Theo referenced the Aiel game, and I thought about it briefly that game and she did seem about as scummy that game as she did this one, I think it might just be a combination of her being really new and posting in a way that makes me always suspect her. BFG seems to have been working hard at analysis of everything the past couple of days.

 

Because I'm now rethinking my stance on them, I'm also considering that I could have been wrong about Peace. Still have to check him on reread however.

 

As for you, I dunno why you suggested a RB like you did. The other weird stuff about the details about your role today I can accept somewhat, but I'm still trying to figure that part out.

 

On the other hand, I don't like Err's pushing you both today and during the night phase when he said if GE died we should go after you or something. He also has drifted several times this game from completely lost townie, to someone that seems to be putting everything together easily, that seems pretty questionable.

 

If pushed to vote right now it would prob be Err, but I wanna do a reread first.

[michellem]

It was to explain that even if I hadn't had the limiations of my role, Golden could still have ended up dead. That in itself shouldn't be used as the only evidence if I'm telling the truth or not. I was trying to explain this to Err in particul because of his stance yesterday.

[hazelkrs1]

It was to explain that even if I hadn't had the limiations of my role, Golden could still have ended up dead. That in itself shouldn't be used as the only evidence if I'm telling the truth or not. I was trying to explain this to Err in particul because of his stance yesterday.

Ahh okay I got you. That makes sense. Yeah, Err trying to prematurely set your lynch up if GE somehow died does indeed look suspect, although I don't believe mafia has a RB'er since GE got a view N1.

[Andrej]

Vote Count 4.2

Not Voting: All yall.

6 alive. 4 to lynch.

DL in 48 hours.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

 

It was to explain that even if I hadn't had the limiations of my role, Golden could still have ended up dead. That in itself shouldn't be used as the only evidence if I'm telling the truth or not. I was trying to explain this to Err in particul because of his stance yesterday.

Ahh okay I got you. That makes sense. Yeah, Err trying to prematurely set your lynch up if GE somehow died does indeed look suspect, although I don't believe mafia has a RB'er since GE got a view N1.

 

really?? i placed Ishy and Mish on my scum list on D3.... ishy turned out to be mafia didnt he?? and i am suspecting Mish not only because she was second on my list but also how the night turned out plus her overexplaining of things (even putting RB in there) which u also find suspecious........ and also you admit that u might be wrong about Theo...... u still put me on the top of you list?? 

 

you are inclined to voting for me now because i came to the same conclusions that u have now???

[hazelkrs1]

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR wtf is with this crap? Dunno why, but every so often my browser LOVES just freaking closing out of the freaking blue, deleting all the quotes I had grabbed so far. Complete bs. Screw it, I'm going the lazy route. Just gonna ISO Ishy and look for connections between him and his teammates.

 

Sorry about some of these not being in chronological order, one of the weaknesses of that iso thing (if they have more posts than can fit on one page, it doesn't quite put them all in order).

 

 

Hi. Bye. I'm not in shape for mafias today, so I'll be back tomorrow.

I think someone is.........infected?

Feel better and hurry back.

 

 

Slight banter early game with Mish

 

 

just thinking out loud... since this is walking dead..... what if the lynched person comes back as one of the walkers?!?!?!

Mechanics like this can, and do exist in certain setups, but usually only in advanced games, where there's a recruiting role. I can't see it possibly happening in a basic game. Like the way you're thinking outside the box though.

 

 

This troubled me a lot- I noticed while iso'ing him that there are a lot of times when Err will ask a noob question... and Ishy is always there to swoop in and answer. There's another couple of examples I'll get to in a bit.

 

 

I would like to see how a very experienced player would defend himself at this stage, so:

 

I vote Ishy

 

Whether I'm very experienced or not is open for debate. And not really sure what you want me to defend?

 

 

Forgot about this early interaction with Theo- how she voted him kinda for nothing, to "see how he would defend", then mysteriously stopped going after him for no reason.

 

I threw around a theory in my head for a bit, that Theo did this to first make them seem on opposing sides early on, as a distancing maneuver, and that Ishy went hard after Theo D3 or w/e cause they might have thought he was viewed, which would make Theo look better once GE revealed a guilty on Ishy. However, Ishy went after Theo pretty hard that day, and also parroted a lot of others thoughts about her, even after GE made it seem like he hadn't gotten a guilty viewing (forgot to grab that quote, oh well).

 

Makes me think that theory is wrong, and that Ishy was going hard after Theo to try and get a mislynch.

 

So we once again see the trend of the actives going after each other while the inactives skate by. Lame.

Unvote. Vote Mish.

 

This was somewhat late D1, kind of a throwaway vote on an "inactive". Not much, but scummies will often have more early interaction in the first day or so than they will in the mid or endgame.

 

I'm wide awake, comment/ask away.

 

 

how do we have 2 kills/lynchs?

 

 

Lovers are a Town role that when one is killed, the other dies as well.

 

Here was another example of Ishy popping in just in time to answer another noobie question from Err... He also later states that Err is overplaying the newbie card, and yet he keeps trying to look all helpful townie and answer him. Def raises some prickles on my skin with that seeming contradiction.

 

Be nice. Knock it off.

 

This was Ishy coming to Mish's defense when Nolder was being mean. Somewhat null for him however, I've seen him defend his chickas whether or not they were on the same team, he likes pulling the knight in shining armor routine.

 

Wait, what? Why in the world am I being linked to Theo?

 

Hmm, seems to take strong objection to being linked with Theo...

 

Regardless, I'd be happy to vote for any of the three, BFG, Peace, or Theo. As the only (semi)-confirmed Townie at this point, hearing Goldeneyes' opinion would be welcome.

 

Thought this was significant- this was well into D3 when GE had made it seem like he didn't have a guilty viewing, and Ishy says he would vote for any of BFG, Peace, or Theo. With what the numbers were like at that point, any mislynch would have led to a scum victory, which makes me wonder if Ishy didn't even include any of his teammates here on this list, thinking they were close to winning.

 

 

So you weren't trying to be friendly to me Ishy, you were just trying to get on my good side because you were mafia. I'm disappointed now.
 
Ok I gotta walk off for a while, I'm a bit upset.

We can talk about this after the game if you want. Or not. But it wouldn't matter in the slightest what my alignment was, I didn't like Nolder talking to you that way. Even if he had been on my team at the time I'd stick up for you. For you to think that what I said was actual gameplay is disappointing.

 

 

Ishy explaining that he would do the same in any game regardless of alignment. Mish's post herself seems fairly genuine, altho (anddammit once again I forgot to get this quote) she DOES later come back to sort of rescind that post, says she wasout of sorts or something. Could be something.

 

Just lynch me and get rid of the wifom. AJ and I can discuss the b.s. balancing after the game. I'm done.

 

HERE'S where we get to the good stuff however. While I was gone, GE revealed a guilty on Ishy, prompting a fairly fast train on him, however one person worked harder in stalling it than anyone else:

 

 

But I do see you spinning. Good try.

Oh and stalling the the lynch??? Are you trying to come up with a way to get ishy out of this in your scum topic?

 

 

Just lynch me and get rid of the wifom. AJ and I can discuss the b.s. balancing after the game. I'm done.

 

 

to both of you......    no......  lets talk numbers a bit more :) 

 

 

Err. He said he was doing so in the guise of uncovering more of Ishy's teammates, but what kind of scummie is going to give up his teammates when on the chopping block? There's a lot that seems COMPLETELY staged during this little exchange. Observe:

 

oh one more thing...  

 

4v3v1 is couldnt be true.... because 4v{3v1} = 4v4    and if i am correct mafia wins when they equal or outnumber townys.... so the game should have been over after the last NK...

 

and as i have said above with 5v2v1 its still the best thing to lynch Ishy

 

i am assuming survivors would know who the mafia are.... so they could either help the townys in the beginning to kill of as much mafia they can..... or help mafia kill as much townys as they can especially in the end with few number of players left.....

 

and ishy has done nothing to kill/betray a single mafia... we have not killed a single mafia till now

 

 

So Err posts a numbers thing he was hinting at before, and tries to use this to make Ishy look like def scum, however there are some huge discrepancies here: First off, a kind of glaring mistake is that he "assumes" 3rd party would know who the mafia were. Second, and somewhat more importantly, his numbers thing is wrong.

 

If scum started with 3 members, and there HAD been 1 survivor, then it would have been 4 town vs 3 scum and 1 survivor at that point... and that would NOT lead to a scum victory. Err says (and if I am correct mafia wins when they equal or outnumber townys), which makes it seem like he is somewhat experienced with win conditions, etc. yet he makes it seem like 3rd party numbers would somehow add to the scum team's numbers, when obviously they wouldn't.

 

I think Err posted this extremely flawed reasoning to try and give someone else the opportunity to poke gaping holes in his logic, thereby making Ishy's claim seem more plausible. BFG votes Ishy however, and doesn't see the flawed logic, and Err kinda panics, check it out:

 

 

That's a good point about the numbers

 

vote Ishy

wait please unvote... i want to hear what peace has to say before we end the day

 

 

 

 

But I don't follow the rest of your logic.

which one?? please unvote

 

 

 

waittttt y not now?????? dont gooooooo

 

Dude REALLY wanted someone to expose his faulty logic lol.

 

Obviously he'll say he was trying to uncover more of Ishy's teammates or w/e, but again, this is kind of a pointless task. When a scummie has a guilty viewing on them, they aint gonna give any other teammates away, and will instead try their best to wifom and mebbe distance from them. And lookie what happens next!

 

 

If you've got such a hard-on for me, then just lynch me. I don't count as Town, so lynching me won't hurt Town's chances. Grow a pair and do it.

 

 

you know something..... i dont think that u realize this.... but u can vote for urself and end it.... u dont need me or anyone at this point to lynch u but u

 

 

 

you know something..... i dont think that u realize this.... but u can vote for urself and end it.... u dont need me or anyone at this point to lynch u but u

GFY?

 

 

but i realize that it must be night time there.... and we wont get more players online at least for 8 or so more hours..... its clear that i m not going to hear from peace anytime soon

 

vote Ishy

 

Yeahhhhhh that looks WAY too staged to me. Looks like Ishy got mad at Err for trying to bail him out, then told him on QT they would have it out a bit for a few posts then Err had to hammer him. After all, I thought Err wanted to uncover more of Ishy's teammates? AJ had already told us he was going to extend the deadline because of the holidays, and in fact there WAS no deadline at the time, so it's not like Err suddenly had to vote him. Going from trying to do everything he could to stall Ishy's lynch to suddenly changing his mind after a little back and forth with Ishy stinks to high heaven. Looks like Ishy was trying to distance from Err as much as possible before he went out.

 

This is enough to pretty much convince me Err is one of Ishy's teammates, however I was convinced yesterday that Theo was scum yet am now reconsidering that (still think it might be possible, but at this point unlikely) so I wanna wait a bit longer before voting.

 

Also didn't find much of any connection between Ishy and BFG during the iso. He buddied me a good bit, which made me feel a little uneasy at the time, I really should have caught on sooner tho. There's some faint connection between him and Mish, but something that I think is more telling is that he buddied Leelou a good bit, who ended up flipping town, yet DIDN'T buddy Mish that much, perhaps trying to downplay any connection between the two. There's still that stuff with Theo voting Ishy D1 that seemed strange then and intriguing during his iso, but again, I think with how hard he pushed at Theo D3 it's unlikely they are teammates. He also didn't mention Peace that much, besides listing him in his set of scum reads D3 (along with Theo and BFG); he could have been trying to downplay a connection between them two as well.

 

Right now I'm thinking either Err and Peace, or Err and Mish as the last scummies.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

It was to explain that even if I hadn't had the limiations of my role, Golden could still have ended up dead. That in itself shouldn't be used as the only evidence if I'm telling the truth or not. I was trying to explain this to Err in particul because of his stance yesterday.

Ahh okay I got you. That makes sense. Yeah, Err trying to prematurely set your lynch up if GE somehow died does indeed look suspect, although I don't believe mafia has a RB'er since GE got a view N1.

 

really?? i placed Ishy and Mish on my scum list on D3.... ishy turned out to be mafia didnt he?? and i am suspecting Mish not only because she was second on my list but also how the night turned out plus her overexplaining of things (even putting RB in there) which u also find suspecious........ and also you admit that u might be wrong about Theo...... u still put me on the top of you list?? 

 

you are inclined to voting for me now because i came to the same conclusions that u have now???

 

 

Uh, you could have been bussing Ishy bro. And I too thought it a bit weird that Mish was kinda overexplaining the results of her NA and everything at the start of the day, but again, it does kinda make sense if she was trying to keep you from using Goldeneye's death to try and lynch her. It might have been best for her to separate that out more, when she explained her role and when she defended herself from you, but now that she's explained it better it seems plausible to me.

 

And fyi, us seemingly coming to the same conclusions does NOT make us on the same team, dunno where you get that idea.

 

More importantly however, why do you take issue with only me saying I might vote you? Peace and Mish said the same (BFG too if I recall correctly), yet you apparently have no problem with them saying that. Funny how I think either Mish or Peace could be teammates with you.

[Theodora]

 

I am a bit bothered by Mish's claim to be the Doc and Carol Petelier. I don't know how many of you watch the series but Carol Petelier is not a character, I would associate with a Doctor. Why not the Mod choosing a real doctor like Dr Edwin Jenner. I am starting to believe Peace's claim more and more but this would mean a fake claim from Mish, which leads to the fact she is scum.

 

Why the softclaim? It's easy for me to do so and make a mistake, for which I already apologised but Mish knows how to play very well for a long time.

 

So, assuming that Mish says the truth, she is the Doc but cannot really protect the same person twice in a row, this means that this night, she would be NK as stated. Since this was clearly the fact, of which she was aware, then why claim? Why drawing the attention of the Mafia? Town loses.

 

Desp, what about your case? I remember something that Leelou said in the beginning - this is not Despo's playing town. Plus the whole aggresive tunnelling on me when I know my alighment. Ishy, you and Mish jumped (or created) a lot of trains of mine. This makes me re-think you could be playing with us all along as a scum.

 

I have to read again, when is the deadline.

 

I don't understand why Mish must be lying if Peace is telling the truth? BFG, I do not think Town has a bomb and a doctor and a cop, lovers as well. It is too many roles for a simple Mafia game. We have to be very careful this time, that is why I am not voting still.

 

No I've already stated I don't watch the series, I don't like zombies. I don't know the first thing about my character or any other's.

 

I forgot, when I claimed, that I had the restriction... AJ had to remind me when I sent in my NA. So that was stupid of me and I take that on my shoulders.

 

That does not change the fact that for the mafia, it was a game of WIFOM with me, because they had absotlutley of knowing that I had that restriction, and so they had to assume that I would choose between protecting Golden or myself. The logical thing to do would be to protect Golden. So this is why I mention the RB; to make you new guys understand that even if I had had no restriction and had protected Golden, there was still a way for him to die.

 

 

 

Des, I could really need some input from you. All my reads are scrambled and I could need something new from you now. Also, have BFG posted at all since day started?

 

Yes, but only to say I would have to reread (again), and I was doing Band stuff earlier. 

 

 

 

fwiw, related to Err's earlier posts - nothing Mish has explained about her role is contradictory. 

 

I also doubt the mafia have a roleblocker, if they had I'd assume they'd have used it to stop Goldens viewing N2.

 

[hazelkrs1]

What part of that post is yours Theo?

[Theodora]

Answering to BGF in Green - I doubt there are so many roles

[hazelkrs1]

Ahh okay. Eh I dunno, Lovers themselves are really uncommon for a true basic game, so this could be more of a standard game like Peace said.

 

If it is Basic, then yeah that would make it more likely that either Peace or Mish is lying. I'm leaning more scum on Peace than Mish, but I have also seen some peculiarities from Mish recently as well (like during my iso on Ishy).

 

What do you think about Err, Theo? Do you agree with me that BFG is likely town?

[Theodora]

I read your post, Despo, about Err - very detailed. You make your point quite well but you always do so.

 

Two things about Err - why didn't he push for the easy target and lynch me, considering my alighnment, if he is Mafia. You were all pushing my lynch quite hard, why wasn't he? He and Goldeneyes were the only people when I was trying to convince you, way too emotionally at some points, that I am town. It would have been perfect - townie who is an easy target. Also, he does pretty detailed posts, as BFG, which is usually a pro-town move.

 

Err has played Mafia but RL, I have made stupid mistakes and asked stupid questions. He appears more town at this stage. Yet, something about his reaction after the second NK, seemed super over-emotional.

 

I am not sure about Mish - very protective and I can find 2 chars at least who could be the doc and not Mish's claim - Carol, who is a perfect char for a fake town claim. 

 

To be honest all of us look scummy at this stage and I am not voting before another re-read.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

 

 

 

It was to explain that even if I hadn't had the limiations of my role, Golden could still have ended up dead. That in itself shouldn't be used as the only evidence if I'm telling the truth or not. I was trying to explain this to Err in particul because of his stance yesterday.

Ahh okay I got you. That makes sense. Yeah, Err trying to prematurely set your lynch up if GE somehow died does indeed look suspect, although I don't believe mafia has a RB'er since GE got a view N1.

 

really?? i placed Ishy and Mish on my scum list on D3.... ishy turned out to be mafia didnt he?? and i am suspecting Mish not only because she was second on my list but also how the night turned out plus her overexplaining of things (even putting RB in there) which u also find suspecious........ and also you admit that u might be wrong about Theo...... u still put me on the top of you list?? 

 

you are inclined to voting for me now because i came to the same conclusions that u have now???

 

 

Uh, you could have been bussing Ishy bro. And I too thought it a bit weird that Mish was kinda overexplaining the results of her NA and everything at the start of the day, but again, it does kinda make sense if she was trying to keep you from using Goldeneye's death to try and lynch her. It might have been best for her to separate that out more, when she explained her role and when she defended herself from you, but now that she's explained it better it seems plausible to me.

 

And fyi, us seemingly coming to the same conclusions does NOT make us on the same team, dunno where you get that idea.

 

More importantly however, why do you take issue with only me saying I might vote you? Peace and Mish said the same (BFG too if I recall correctly), yet you apparently have no problem with them saying that. Funny how I think either Mish or Peace could be teammates with you.

 

waoo.... u could not have been more SELECTIVE in your qoutes.... i suspected Ishy before D3... he just became at the top of my scum list in the beginning of D3 and before golden revealed his inspection..... and btw golden also thought u were the most scummiest of the remaining players... thats y he was going to inspect u..... 

 

u suspected Theo and me before ishy was revealed and the doctor came out..... and with all that has happened also add a NK in there.... and now when everybody is rethinking things over and suspecting others as well...... u have found a way still to justify that of ur original thoughts were right..... u have consistently picked parts of post that make your argument right and ignored all the contradictory ones and i think u have done it intentionally (and u have done it before too with theo GF theory)..... 

 

if it supports ur argument a post becomes a proof and if it contradicts your post then it becomes a clever scheme to throw people off..... i now believe if a real scum jumps in the middle of the game and starts shouting "i am a scum, i am a scum" u will figure a way out to make it all about how it supports ur conclusion... 

 

u still think Mish and I are in the same team.... after i have been going after her.... and she intending to vote me out too??  reason?? let me guess for u.... Mish and i am in the same team and i m trying to confuse everyone... and if i end up voting for her... u will call it bussing.... if i vote for someone else it will be a further proof that u were right all along and mish and i are in the same team.

 

yes i wanted to prolong D3 a little more.... i wanted to hear from u and peace and what u guys thought about what has happened.... but u probably were offline and peace point blank refused to comment...... let me guess ur reason for u.... u didnt want to give more ammo to the mafia by talking unnecessarily ??

 

i still think with survivor we would have lost the game with 3 mafias... 4v4 lost game... thats y i asked around to be sure.... BFG agreed........ but that doesnt make her look scummy at all... .noooo because let guess again..... .she just didnt read the thing before agreeing....

 

if u think i sometimes ask too many questions and sometimes come to conclusions that are really good (btw none of the so called good arguments u dont seem to agree with) then i have said this before and i will say it again... i have played mafia before in rl.... but first time online and even tough roles are the same rules are not thats y something click at once some things i have to ask for

 

after mishs second attempt to explain herself i m seeing her as less scummier and u have now jumped up to #1.... and y do u suspect peace now to be mafia??? if u couldnt even consider the possibility that he could be GF.....

 

and now u are saying peace and i could be mafia too together?? i have wanted to test his bomb theory since the beginning!! and have thought that its too big of a risk to trust him blindly without testing it??? lets me also guess the reason for u...... this was a super super super super scummy move.... so evil that i cant come up with a reason.. .but i m sure u might....

[Babar Hasan Khan]

I read your post, Despo, about Err - very detailed. You make your point quite well but you always do so.

 

Two things about Err - why didn't he push for the easy target and lynch me, considering my alighnment, if he is Mafia. You were all pushing my lynch quite hard, why wasn't he? He and Goldeneyes were the only people when I was trying to convince you, way too emotionally at some points, that I am town. It would have been perfect - townie who is an easy target. Also, he does pretty detailed posts, as BFG, which is usually a pro-town move.

 

Err has played Mafia but RL, I have made stupid mistakes and asked stupid questions. He appears more town at this stage. Yet, something about his reaction after the second NK, seemed super over-emotional.

 

I am not sure about Mish - very protective and I can find 2 chars at least who could be the doc and not Mish's claim - Carol, who is a perfect char for a fake town claim. 

 

To be honest all of us look scummy at this stage and I am not voting before another re-read.

yes Des answer this.... in D3 it would have taken only 3 townys to vote for another towny to speed hammer and end the game.... so if u, peace, ishy and possibly Mish were going to vote for her..... y would i want people to cool down?? and not be the 5th and the last person to hammer theo and end it all??? unless u think now theo and I are in the same team?? but then ur theory about Mish/Peace and me being the mafia wouldnt allow that would it??

[michellem]

I felt like I had this game all sorted out and now all I have is a headache.

 

I'm just gonna

 

Vote Err

 

And we'll see how this goes...

[Babar Hasan Khan]

I felt like I had this game all sorted out and now all I have is a headache.

 

I'm just gonna

 

Vote Err

 

And we'll see how this goes...

i didnt want to do this but..... i am Rick Grimes.... thats y i didnt question any of the arguments that so and so character is not a good fit for the role of cop or doctor

 

oh now that we are at it..... i must say if golden were alive i wanted to say "Golden...... I Am Your Father"  :P  i m sure Des would have connected it to darth vader and declared me a scum right there and then 

[Babar Hasan Khan]

and if it is absolutely necessary that i must be lynched (with Des and BFG probably voting for me.... it takes only 2 townys to vote for a third to lose the game at this point).... i am volunteering to test peaces bomb theory by jumping on him last

[Babar Hasan Khan]

Didn't Des claim Andrea? That would mean he and Ishy have been getting it on this whole time.

and des u havnt still confirmed this??

[michellem]

He's a main char right? Arrrgh.

 

unvote

 

I feel like the mafia is leading me around by my nose right now.

 

Tell you what, I'll hammer Peace. I'm dead next night anyway.

 

 

And yes, Des did claim Andrea. http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-4/?p=3089865

[BFG]

@Dora - so what are your actual reads?  You say a lot of stuff but are very hesitant on everyone.  You seem to like Des, Err and myself?  So do you think Mish & Peace are the likely mafia?

 

@Err - same question, who are your reads for mafia?

[BFG]

In fact, just having skimmed the rest of Day 4 same question for Mish & Peace.

 

I'm about to start reading Day 3 and will update my reads after

[Theodora]

I feel like Mish - mafia is laughing at us and at this point Err is the only one who gets a clean slate from me, due to his claim. Of course I would be hesitant, if we kill a townie, we lose.

 

I am willing to test the Peace bomb scheme and I would suggest indeed Mish to do it if we all are ok with it, as Err at least is a confirmed townie and Mish is not.

 

Why Peace? A very strong claim to be a bomb and appears to post usually only to defend himself. Sometimes, like I said, you have to make a sacrifice for town.

 

I do not like Despo on many reasons, after Err's claim even more, he was about to lynch (and hit us both hard) Err and me and I know our alignment now. Besides, Despo is an experienced player and I still cannot stop thinking of what Leelou said - This is not Despo playing town. She knows his meta from different games. Third reason - what is with the Andrea claim? Despo, is it true? I am leaning towards him being the scum all along.

 

BFG - some pro-town feel, as I stated, so I will not vote for you this time.

 

I will post more when I go home.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

at this point i suspect Des then Peace

[Babar Hasan Khan]

i think BFG is most likely to be a towny then Mish then Theo..... I went super aggressively against Mish to clear any remaining doubt that i might have and to see who would join in on Mish bashing..... i would like to ask if Des would volunteer to hammer peace... if either one is a mafia we survive to D5.... i think now atleast one has to be the mafia if not both.... so Des what do u say?????