[Basic] The Walking Dead Mafia - Game Over. Theo Wins!

[GoldeneyesND]

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I understand Err. What I am saying is I don't think, well let's use Despo just as an illustration... I doubt we can park 4 votes on Peace and then say "Hey Despo, prove you're not scum and you hammer Peace." Cause If I'm Despo, I'm ignoring your scenario and voting for whomever I want.

 

I think it's much more likely that Peace is a GF than Dora.

Your whole scenario is predicated on

#1 Peace actually being a bomb or scum 

#2 Us choosing a "scum" to hammer Peace and them agreeing to do so

 

The way things are going this game, your scenario is more likely to result in us choosing a townie to hammer Peace who turns out to be a VT who fake claimed so he could stay alive. lol

 

Can't edit so here's my correction above

[Babar Hasan Khan]

I understand Err. What I am saying is I don't think, well let's use Despo just as an illustration... I doubt we can park 4 votes on Peace and then say "Hey Despo, prove you're not scum and you hammer Peace." Cause If I'm Despo, I'm ignoring your scenario and voting for whomever I want.

 

Also, if the bomb is a fake claim, I think it's much more likely that Peace is a GF than Dora. Your whole scenario is predicated on

#1 Peace actually being a bomb or scum 

#2 Us choosing a "scum" to hammer Peace and them agreeing to do so

 

The way things are going this game, your scenario is more likely to result in us choosing a townie to hammer Peace who turns out to be a VT who fake claimed so he could stay alive. lol

 

ok look at it this way.... if we chose a towny to lynch.. we lose anyway... so does not it matter if that person takes out peace(scummy or towny) with him?

                                     if we chose a mafia to lynch.. we survive one more day

 

if we end up nominating a towny this way who is going to be lynched... the towny should look at it like this "i am going to die anyway and the game ends... better take chances on peace being a scum" - even both turn out to be townys... we were already going to lose by lynching the first person to begin with

[Babar Hasan Khan]

i still believe in this case strongly... but i see there are not enough people to agree to that... so i will drop it

[Andrej]

Err your picture amuses me.

 

Carry on.

[Andrej]

Vote Count 3.5

 

Dora (2): Mish, Despo

Err (1): Peace

 

Not voting: BFG, Dora, Goldeneyes, Err, Ishy

 

8 alive. 5 to lynch.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

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I understand Err. What I am saying is I don't think, well let's use Despo just as an illustration... I doubt we can park 4 votes on Peace and then say "Hey Despo, prove you're not scum and you hammer Peace." Cause If I'm Despo, I'm ignoring your scenario and voting for whomever I want.

 

I think it's much more likely that Peace is a GF than Dora.

Your whole scenario is predicated on

#1 Peace actually being a bomb or scum 

#2 Us choosing a "scum" to hammer Peace and them agreeing to do so

 

The way things are going this game, your scenario is more likely to result in us choosing a townie to hammer Peace who turns out to be a VT who fake claimed so he could stay alive. lol

 

Can't edit so here's my correction above

on one more thing for point one.... yes there are only two possibilities... peace being bomb or scum there is no third option

[hazelkrs1]

re. lynching Dora to test Peace - again this seemed at the time to be one of your biggest reasons for voting Dora (admittedly not your only one).  A mislynch yesterday put us at Lylo today, so lynching anyone to test a theory was an awful idea.  Lynching Peace the way I suggested would at least not put us in a worse position as the person hammering would be the person being lynched anyway (as it happens you're probably right about the 'logistics' of the case)

 

re. the unvote - it doesn't make sense because in two posts after you unvoted you said that the last 2 votes on Dap may be mafia, and also that you still thought Dap was mafia (in itself ok), but you also said that you wanted information from D1 (such as claims, voting patterns...), as Leelou said L2 is when most people reveal information.  Unvoting before Dap had chance to reply (when you thought he might still be mafia), doesn't make sense from any angle, so yes, every time I reread, it sticks out, you admitting it was bad play doesn't change that.

 

 

 

Additionally your team of Dora, Peace and myself (looked at as objectively as I can) relies on me being stupid enough to vote Dora instead of Leelou with 8 hours to go when based on the previous lynch not many people are around to do much of anything.

 

 

 

re. Weasley Game - yes, I had a town read on you (from your actions) from very early that game, although didn't see the need to post it in thread, and I don't this game.  Leelou was also in that game and didn't think you're playing to Town meta this game.  (Also reread that thread without knowing you were 'trapping' Peace/Verb since we didn't have your QT.  Most of the comments were about how quiet the main thread was and how that was bad for Town, wondering if you realized Peace had to be mafia (since in-thread you were questioning balance), I think the only person that said you were acting badly was Csarmi when he said leaving your vote parked on Tina was a bad thing (and I agreed through frustration), since it left her in a position of Mafia being able to speed hammer.) 

 

 

Lynching Dora to test Peace wasn't my sole or even main reason for wanting to lynch her. I thought, and still do think, that she was the best candidate for scum, but lynching her also came with the added bonus of possibly gaining more info on another prime suspect. And incidentally, you do realize that when a Bomb is hammered, not only do they kill the person who hammered them, but they also die as well, right? Therefore your suggestiong WOULDN'T have worked out better, since it could have possibly ended up killing two townies. And why are you trying to act like we tried my idea and that it led to this? My idea was to lynch Theo.... and we didn't. We could possibly be sitting in a much better position right now.

 

As for the unvote, people claim at completely diff spots on trains, there's nothing that says that it def happens at L-2. The fact is, I saw something which made me rethink my view on Dap, although I was still wary of him, and I didn't want day 1 to go by too fast. I have never changed my story about that. You can choose not to believe me, but don't try to act like it's so bizarre, what I did. I unvoted someone I started to have second thoughts about. Period. You trying to continue hammering on this just looks like you trying to continue and discredit me.

 

As for you voting Theo, when you did so you had already laid the groundwork for you to switch to someone else, and during this Goldeneyes came out and said he didn't feel comfortable with the train on Theo. So, you could have either been bussing her, then saw an opportunity to save her, or you could have placed your vote with the intention of moving it to Leelou the whole time.

 

Re: Weasley game - I distinctly remember you saying at one point that you had to keep reminding yourself that I was town, cause you kept thinking I was scum. And pressuring Tina the way we did ended up working out splendidly, since seeing her response to that pressure gave me a town read on her and helped narrow down the rest of the scum team easily.

 

ok ... your assumption that Theo is mafia is based on her claim on her character and wanted to be viewed... right and also because peace jumping to save a fellow mafia at desperate times

 

what i am saying is that if peace and theo are both in the scum team... then peace is a much better candidate of being the godfather... and falling under your category (attracting enough attention to be viewed but not voted out)...... wouldnt you agree??

 

so the way i see it, its peace gaining most attraction to be viewed in a single post rather then theo scenario played over days building up to that moment where she would be vindicated by the cop

 

and right now what are u doing is labeling everyone scummy if they dont agree with u..... even going after the cop to prove that u would go after anyone who doesnt agree on this premise 

 

this is the post i meant to reply about..... and golden to your question this is y i now m getting a scummy feeling about Des... 

 

 

Firstly, if you're going to quote me but only need to respond to one bit, please edit out the parts of the quote that aren't needed, makes it much easier when doing multiquotes, browsing on mobile, etc. Thanks.

 

I don't agree that Peace would make a better candidate for GF, no. I haven't seen any behavior of Peace's where he tried doing something to get viewed. Theo, on the other hand, has a prime example of doing this exact thing in my opinion (when she volunteered her character as Shane). From what I remember, Nol voted Peace to get him more active, and because it was close to deadline, a few people (me included) voted him out of consolidation. Tbh, I hadn't really seen anything scummy from him at that point. It wasn't until he soft-claimed that I started watching him closely.

 

Where did Peace try to get viewed in one post? When he claimed Bomb? If he was trying to get viewed, why not claim Bomb when he was being strung up, instead of soft-claiming? I don't see Theo leading up to one moment over a bunch of days... in my view you have it completely backwards on that. Once she first hinted that she had one of the characters I mentioned, THAT was when she laid the groundwork for her to get potentially viewed imo. Peace bringing up the SK possibility was prob just them trying to overdo it to make sure she got viewed.

 

Biggest problem I have with this post however is where you say I label everyone as scummy if they don't agree with me. This is completely false, and you misrepping me this badly just convinces me you are, in fact, scum. I have not once changed my reads today about who I thought was questionable. Theo, BFG, Peace, and you have been my top suspects all day. I did get frustrated with Golden, but that wasn't me "going after him". That's you completely misrepping me dude.

 

 

Youre right, I am letting the game get to me a bit too much. I tend to be a bit more emotional when playing than most, and tbh, even tho this might make me sound like an ahole, I'm not fond of playing with too many newer players. I don't have the patience for it. I have also seen too many games recently where I had rock solid reads, but everyone ignored them. Tends to get me fairly frustrated.

 

I was a bit too hard on you tho, my bad.

 

But please dude. Take a moment to think about the situation. This isn't that difficult. There was a concerted effort between Peace and BFG yesterday to get Leelou lynched and save Theo. The case against Theo was already substantial BEFORE that point. This really isn't rocket science.

 

Fair enough man. I can see how that might be frustrating. Like I said, I don't take anything to heart. I have seen the Peace/BFG thing too and I don't think I am better suited to analyze those facts than anyone here. I do however have more information, so there's that.

 

 

There's just not much to analyze, imo. BFG laid the groundwork for her to switch her vote. Peace votes Leelou. BFG switches. And with that, they succeeded in getting a townie lynched, and saved Theo as well.

 

 

Err, I find the likelihood of your scenario actually happening slim to none. I applaud the effort, but you're asking 4 town (assuming Peace is town) to line up on a vote and inviting scum to jump on a bomb? How much you want to bet this gets laughed away immediately. Me? I'm going to find scum by looking at voting patterns and re-reading. What is your opinion of Desp's desperate attempt at convincing everyone Theo is a Godfather?

what i am saying is that if we lynch a town today we lose period.... so if we have a better chance of making it to D4 by making the person we are going to lynch anyway to be L1 on peace then y not take that chance?.... i have replied on desp comments again regarding the godfather theory

 

 

Technically speaking if we mislynch today (lynch a townie), then we still actually have a chance to win, if the Doc is able to successfully stop the NK. Small chance, but still. Btw you need that person to hammer Peace, not be the L-1 vote on him, and I still don't think this is a good idea. On the offchance that Peace actually is telling the truth, then we instalose since scum just won't hammer him, period. And a townie would have good reason to not want to go along with the plan either if they were selected to be the hammer, since they would know that them hammering Peace could potentially lose the game. So you'd lynch a townie, and we'd be right where we would be anyways, if I'm wrong about Theo.

 

I think you're just trying to push this scummy agenda cause you'll do anything to save your teammate Theo.

 

 

 

 

Re: Dora - Some of whom MUST be mafia, eh? How about it's just that she's scummy enough that a few diff people see that she is most likely scum?

Some people see you scummy as well, are you scum, then? We could say this about everyon at this stage. I have been reading town from you but your tunnelling me seems scumy, don't you think?

 

 

Re: Mish - Uhm, I WAS town in the Weasley game. Shows how well you can read me You were even talking smack in the QT during that game as well, trying to say I was playing scummy, when I helped turn that game around for town almost single-handedly.

 

LoL, the last game when Heart was the Mod (Halloween Mafia) - you had the same suspicion about me, the whole game, as I am the top scum, te whole nine yards, whatever, and I got lynched and I was exactly what I was saying (townie without a role) + scum was exactly what I was voting for.  So, think a bit about the town, we cannot risk having another one killed.

 

 

Despo, you have an obsession with me being Mafia, GF, SK, maybe all of it at the same time. You accuse Goldeneyes for being a bad cop, as his pride/stubborness hindered his objectivity, but look at yourself. Can't I say the same about you? Sometimes when I read your posts, I have to repeat to myself it is only a game. Try looking at the others like Peace for instance. Look at the votes patterns, the trains.

 

 

When have I shown to be wrong this game? I was voting Peace at the end of day 1, while yall pretty much speedlynched Lenlo (don't blame yall for that tho, Lenlo's defense against his own lynch was terribad). I was voting you yesterday, and while you say you're town, I think you're lying, so I haven't been proven wrong on that.

 

I HAVE looked at people like Peace, btw. He's still one of my top reads for scum. And I have looked at the VC's and trains as well. The main thing I have gleaned from all of this is that you are the one I would like to see lynched today, as I think you are the best candidate for scum.

 

And I feel you're not even trying anymore. Just coming in and posting whyme fryme posts. If you were town, you'd be trying harder to find actual scum, not just defend yourself.

 

my comment on random play were to show the worst case scenario.... but thats not how i am saying we should do it.

 

we should play this game the way it was meant to be played? who says it cant be played this way?

 

i am saying we could proceed in the following manner

 

1. we go forward if everyone agrees... instead of voting we post our intent to vote a person x out or we can vote in green color.... we keep peace out of that voting

2. lets say 10 hours before the deadline the person x is the chosen scum by all to be lynched... so he is forced to place his L1 vote on peace.

3. if he disagree at this point we lynch that person like we would have to begin with (thereby fulfilling your criteria that we are supposed to vote for the scummiest person)

 

ok... fine if u dont trust golden to make that decision alone.... we give him the veto power only to be used if the final candidate was views as towny the night before.

 

and if you think theo and peace are in the same team.... then even if we chose someone other then thoe.. u would still get your win by killing peace

 

 

Dude, what you're talking about is gadgeting. You're downgrading a game of subtlety and manipulation into a dice shoot. This isn't why I play mafia. I want to win, but I don't think your idea would help us out at all, I think it's far too risky, and I think you're pushing this angle because you're desperate to save Theo.

 

Fact is, your idea is hogwash man. It would likely just result in a no lynch, and if I'm not mistaken AJ already said he would do a random modkill if we didn't secure a lynch (mighta been yesterday, but I don't think he would be that charitable if we had such a long day but STILL couldn't achieve a lynch.

 

Stop trying to distract town.

[hazelkrs1]

 

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I understand Err. What I am saying is I don't think, well let's use Despo just as an illustration... I doubt we can park 4 votes on Peace and then say "Hey Despo, prove you're not scum and you hammer Peace." Cause If I'm Despo, I'm ignoring your scenario and voting for whomever I want.

 

I think it's much more likely that Peace is a GF than Dora.

Your whole scenario is predicated on

#1 Peace actually being a bomb or scum 

#2 Us choosing a "scum" to hammer Peace and them agreeing to do so

 

The way things are going this game, your scenario is more likely to result in us choosing a townie to hammer Peace who turns out to be a VT who fake claimed so he could stay alive. lol

 

Can't edit so here's my correction above

on one more thing for point one.... yes there are only two possibilities... peace being bomb or scum there is no third option

 

 

Not really, Golden said it himself: Peace could be a VT that false claimed Bomb to try and survive, and mebbe to keep from being NK'ed. Not a very likely option, but def not outlandish. You'd be surprised how often town players false claim, it can potentially be a very protown move.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

Err your picture amuses me.

 

Carry on.

hehe good to know..... here more things to amuse u :)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fjpG37_TchY

http://9gag.com/gag/6561898

http://9gag.com/gag/a09Nx3v

[Theodora]

Despo, and who was I voting end of day 1?

 

And you are making a mistake ever since you started tunneling me. I know it myself.

 

When I made a "soft" claim I didn't even know there was such a term, nor that there is necessarily a cop in every game. his is basic mafia and Idoubt there are so many roles.

 

I do not use a lot of words, I don't make ten thousand pages posts. When I vote or give my reads, I give reasons which I think is enough.

 

I am more than ready to be the last voter if you form a train on Peace, as I have been voting him, since day1. I believe he is scum. Even if I die, well, Despo will at least have some peace - no pun intended. At least if a townie dies, let it be me but killing a scum. I don't want to be lynched. Mafia had enough fun with us.

[hazelkrs1]

So you have one read, Theo? Peace?

[hazelkrs1]

And then she disappears again. Le sigh.

[Theodora]

Complete trains ( I apologise for any errors)

 

Day 1:

BFG: Nolder , Des, Pral

Lenlo: Des Peace, Ishy, Mish, BFG, Leelou, Peace, Golden, Dap

Dap: Ishy, Nolder, Des, Golden, Dora, Peace

No Lynch: Err

Peace: Err, Pral, Nolder, Dap, Des, Dora, Leelou (Peace claims)

Ishy: Dora

Pral: Leelou

Nolder: Golden

Des: Nolder, BFG, Leelou (Des claims), Lenlo, Golden

Mish: Ishy

Golden: Err, Des,

 

Day 2:

Golden: Ishy, Leelou, Err, (Mish posts intent), Dora

Dap: Peace

Peace: Dap, Des, Dora (Peace claims bomb)

Leelou: Golden, Err, Dap, Dora, Peace, BFG - I would have stayed on the Peace train if I didn't have to save my life, Leelou would have been alive,Peace (mafia) dead.

Theo: Des, Peace, Des, Leelou, Mish, Ishy, BFG,

Err: BFG, Peace

Mish: BFG

 

I would like to use the trains, provided by BFG, thank you for that.

 

Just look at the pattern. I don’t need a lot of words.

 

In red – the scum and look at how I have been voting

 

My reads as I have stated already in the beginning of this day: Peace, Ishy, BFG and/or Mish (are we sure there are 3 bad guys and not four?)

[Theodora]

Desp, I don't have to be 100% of my time lurking on the thread. I am using my laptop from school. And sometimes I even go to the lady's room.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

 

Complete trains ( I apologise for any errors)

 

Day 1:

BFG: Nolder , Des, Pral

Lenlo: Des Peace, Ishy, Mish, BFG, Leelou, Peace, Golden, Dap

Dap: Ishy, Nolder, Des, Golden, Dora, Peace

No Lynch: Err

Peace: Err, Pral, Nolder, Dap, Des, Dora, Leelou (Peace claims)

Ishy: Dora

Pral: Leelou

Nolder: Golden

Des: Nolder, BFG, Leelou (Des claims), Lenlo, Golden

Mish: Ishy

Golden: Err, Des,

 

Day 2:

Golden: Ishy, Leelou, Err, (Mish posts intent), Dora

Dap: Peace

Peace: Dap, Des, Dora (Peace claims bomb)

Leelou: Golden, Err, Dap, Dora, Peace, BFG - I would have stayed on the Peace train if I didn't have to save my life, Leelou would have been alive,Peace (mafia) dead.

Theo: Des, Peace, Des, Leelou, Mish, Ishy, BFG,

Err: BFG, Peace

Mish: BFG

 

I would like to use the trains, provided by BFG, thank you for that.

 

Just look at the pattern. I don’t need a lot of words.

 

In red – the scum and look at how I have been voting

 

My reads as I have stated already in the beginning of this day: Peace, Ishy, BFG and/or Mish (are we sure there are 3 bad guys and not four?)

 

Golden to answer ur other question..... this is also y i m a little suspicious of ishy and mish........... BFGs changed her vote to leenlo to secure a lynch in the last hour over random mod kill..... i cant blame her for doing that.... others should have considered it too....

 

i must admit here... that i was was also checking time very closely at end of Day 2.... and even i said i wouldnt do it.... i was considering voting for theo at the last minute to make sure we have a lynch over a random kill

[peacesells]

Theo and Err keep calling me scummy.  For what?  Please lay out cases...cause neither of you have once done so.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

Theo and Err keep calling me scummy.  For what?  Please lay out cases...cause neither of you have once done so.

really neither of us..... i have been ranting about the possibility of you being a godfather....... i still think you are most likely towny when comparing to Ishy and Mish...... but its a possibility..... after des brought up the theo being a godfather..... attracting enough attention to be viewed but not lynched..... i realized your bomb claim first right into that category..... and there is also the fact after u announced your character and also stated that you are roled up in D1 and then you survived the first NK. 

 

wouldnt you agree that it does kind of looks odd?? 

[peacesells]

Why don't you explain what is odd about it instead of making a general statement that you can't be held to in the future. 

 

You are pushing mechanics over scum hunting and then making open ended statements with no backing to further an agenda.

 

Why am I the only one here who see's Err as scum?

[michellem]

You better be sure to spell your reasons out for Mish or she'll call you stupid.

 

 

I wasn't calling YOU stupid. I was calling your play stupid. It's not how you play mafia. I swear, if you weren't the cop, you'd be one of the scummiest people in the game. Townies should talk as much as possible, explain their reads as much as possible. Because this helps the rest of town, and differs them from mafia. Mafia doesn't want to give presise reasons on reads; they don't want to risk being pinned down on it later. They prefer to be vague. Do whatever you want this game, but remember for next time, when you don't have a cop claim to fall back on. Townies should talk as much as possible and be as open as possible about their reads and reasons.

 

 

 

 

Now, I've seen everyone and their grandma call me possible scum. I see two sides forming; mainly Ishy, Des and me on one side, and Dora, Err and BFG on the other side. Each side calls the other side scummy and is convinced the other side is the mafia... Well, let's throw this into the equation. I'm the Doc. How does THAT effect your reads and who you think are teammates, hm?

 

Also, I think Golden should tell us who he viewed. We are lucky that AJ decided to push the deadline for us, because how things are going now, we'd never be able to reach a majority lynch.

[michellem]

You are not Peace, I have stated over and over that I think he's mafia.

[michellem]

I like to imagine the panic in the mafia QT right now. Oopsie.

[peacesells]

You are not Peace, I have stated over and over that I think he's mafia.

 

Then Vote Err.

[michellem]

I have a stronger read on Dora, and I'm not willing to let her slip away from yet another lynch.

[Theodora]

 

You better be sure to spell your reasons out for Mish or she'll call you stupid.

 

 

I wasn't calling YOU stupid. I was calling your play stupid. It's not how you play mafia. I swear, if you weren't the cop, you'd be one of the scummiest people in the game. Townies should talk as much as possible, explain their reads as much as possible. Because this helps the rest of town, and differs them from mafia. Mafia doesn't want to give presise reasons on reads; they don't want to risk being pinned down on it later. They prefer to be vague. Do whatever you want this game, but remember for next time, when you don't have a cop claim to fall back on. Townies should talk as much as possible and be as open as possible about their reads and reasons.

 

 

 

 

Now, I've seen everyone and their grandma call me possible scum. I see two sides forming; mainly Ishy, Des and me on one side, and Dora, Err and BFG on the other side. Each side calls the other side scummy and is convinced the other side is the mafia... Well, let's throw this into the equation. I'm the Doc. How does THAT effect your reads and who you think are teammates, hm?

 

Also, I think Golden should tell us who he viewed. We are lucky that AJ decided to push the deadline for us, because how things are going now, we'd never be able to reach a majority lynch.

 

 

 

Mish, something was misunderstood. I suspected since the beginning of this day: Peace, Ishy, BFG and/or Mish and ever since day 1 I have given Despo a clean slate. I am just bothered by his obsession to lynch me! I have made a claim and stated the character, don't you have to do the same? The Doctor has a name, hasn't he/she? I want to know it! Or is it a fake claim?

 

Besides, Peace claiming to be a bomb, after claiming T-bone, whenever there is a train on a townie, you are just there. And Mish, Desp votes Peace as well quite often. Again, look at who I vote!

 

Peace: Err, Pral, Nolder, Dap, Des, Dora, Leelou (Peace claims) - 4 are proven townies and I stayed on the train with Nold & Desp.

Peace: Dap, Des, Dora (Peace claims bomb)

 

So I don't know what sides, teams you are suggesting.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

Why don't you explain what is odd about it instead of making a general statement that you can't be held to in the future. 

 

You are pushing mechanics over scum hunting and then making open ended statements with no backing to further an agenda.

 

Why am I the only one here who see's Err as scum?

y would you say that..... i have as some people have called it tunneled after people each day (stating my reasons and less or no open ended statements).... i have been wrong in D2 with other people (you included)..... you are however an exception i am accepting the possibility that you might be the GF however slim it may be... and i have given u my reasons..... would u have had come to a different conclusion with the things i have mentioned??