[Basic] The Walking Dead Mafia - Game Over. Theo Wins!

[GoldeneyesND]

 

Top scum reads are Mish and Des. Before you ask Mish- no I'm not going to explain

 

Well that's stupid. You're supposed to explain what you find scummy in people; how else can the person explain or defend themselves?

 

 

Thanks, I was going for stupid, so it's nice to know I achieved one goal today.

[GoldeneyesND]

Game aside, celebrating Thanksgiving today like many of you; I'm thankful to have found a cool place to hang out and it's been cool meeting all you guys, even when you want to destroy me in a fictional game.

 

 

Quick question, when is the deadline AJ? I saw something mentioning Saturday morning US time but if there is a specific deadline I dunno.

[Andrej]

I was considering a DL for Noon PST on Saturday but seeing as how activity drops on those days I will likely push it through to Monday. Consider there not being one for now.

[GoldeneyesND]

Sounds good, thanks

[Babar Hasan Khan]

Back at work tonight. I was about to post here earlier, but thought better of it. Needless to say I'm really pissed at how things transpired at the end of day yesterday. Can not believe yall let the Theo lynch get derailed. She really was the obvious lynch candidate.

 

The good news I think I got this figured out, I think the scum team overplayed their hand yesterday in trying to save Theo.

 

There's really only one explanation that makes sense for why yesterday played out the way it did. Theo is a GF. Shane would actually be better suited for GF than SK, and SK wouldn't make sense in this case judging from how others ended up going to her defense. Furthermore this also explains why she would reveal to have the character she did when I brought up those likely to be mafia. She did so because she wanted to get viewed by the Cop so she could be "cleared" for the rest of the game.

 

Because of this I def suspect Peace and BFG. Peace was the one who threw out the SK thing about Theo first, this could have been both for distancing and to try and help her get viewed, BFG saying she could vote for Leelou, voting for Theo, then switching right after Peace pings majorly, there's def something funny going on there.

 

Err recently had a ginormous logic fail, which I'll get to in a moment, and also assumed Golden would reveal his viewing even tho Golden already made it clear he wouldn't (good call, btw), but tbh I'm leaning more in the confused newb townie direction for him, he's just floated too many confused ideas out imo. If he's playing the confused newbie angle as scum, he's overdoing it majorly and I think his teammates would have told him to cool off for now if he was scum. Ishy seems pretty aggressive today, but I happen to agree with most of his points, so here's that.

 

Def thinking Theo, BFG, and Peace as the scum team. Gonna go back through the last few pages tho and make sure I got a good grip on things before I vote.

 

lets just say for a second that you, ishy and mish are right

 

Peace, Theo, (Err/BFG) are mafia..... in this case i still dont see y u would accuse theo to be GF... the most likely candidate is Peace... he revealed his characters name (towny name) and said he was roled... then day 2 he revealed he was bomb.... all could be discredited by a single inspection..... so if the team you are 3 are pushing for is scum then Peace is a good candidate for GF not Theo..

 

when you were pushing the theory of mafia being named characters belonging to generals team, in reply to your post theo voluntarily gave away the information that she is a towny and she has an evil towny character.

 

i think you are reading toooooo much into her characters name..... and how about Peaces character name?? do you have a problem with that too??

 

at the time being i m getting a high scum read from Ishy, Mish and (BFG/Des)... i never suspected you being a scum this strongly before this post.... but i am still going to vote for ishy or mish and will still resort to voting for u as a last resort.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

 

 

 

can you really say the sentence that has been bolded was wrong? and was it wrong to ask y?

 

 

meant to reply earlier - it's bad because it draws attention to a 180 which may indicate the Cop.  If you think you've found the Cop you don't want to telegraph it to Mafia.

 

 

I think he found the cop and tried to get him lynched.

 

thanks for giving me that credit but i m not that good... you are saying that i was going after golden after day one because i somehow had figured out that he was a cop... i presented my case y i was voting for golden at that point.... he was making a case against Dap and Des for the better part of the day... who at D1 i thought were more likely to be townies..... and he changed his vote (L1) in the last 24 hours to Lenlo without giving a reason at that point.

 

BFG has placed a thought that since a person did a 180 indicated that he was a cop at that time....... no it doesnt..... claiming he was a cop indicated he was a cop.... 

[Babar Hasan Khan]

I was considering a DL for Noon PST on Saturday but seeing as how activity drops on those days I will likely push it through to Monday. Consider there not being one for now.

we have a long weekend here..... so monday sounds nice

[GoldeneyesND]

 

Back at work tonight. I was about to post here earlier, but thought better of it. Needless to say I'm really pissed at how things transpired at the end of day yesterday. Can not believe yall let the Theo lynch get derailed. She really was the obvious lynch candidate.

 

The good news I think I got this figured out, I think the scum team overplayed their hand yesterday in trying to save Theo.

 

There's really only one explanation that makes sense for why yesterday played out the way it did. Theo is a GF. Shane would actually be better suited for GF than SK, and SK wouldn't make sense in this case judging from how others ended up going to her defense. Furthermore this also explains why she would reveal to have the character she did when I brought up those likely to be mafia. She did so because she wanted to get viewed by the Cop so she could be "cleared" for the rest of the game.

 

Because of this I def suspect Peace and BFG. Peace was the one who threw out the SK thing about Theo first, this could have been both for distancing and to try and help her get viewed, BFG saying she could vote for Leelou, voting for Theo, then switching right after Peace pings majorly, there's def something funny going on there.

 

Err recently had a ginormous logic fail, which I'll get to in a moment, and also assumed Golden would reveal his viewing even tho Golden already made it clear he wouldn't (good call, btw), but tbh I'm leaning more in the confused newb townie direction for him, he's just floated too many confused ideas out imo. If he's playing the confused newbie angle as scum, he's overdoing it majorly and I think his teammates would have told him to cool off for now if he was scum. Ishy seems pretty aggressive today, but I happen to agree with most of his points, so here's that.

 

Def thinking Theo, BFG, and Peace as the scum team. Gonna go back through the last few pages tho and make sure I got a good grip on things before I vote.

 

lets just say for a second that you, ishy and mish are right

 

Peace, Theo, (Err/BFG) are mafia..... in this case i still dont see y u would accuse theo to be GF... the most likely candidate is Peace... he revealed his characters name (towny name) and said he was roled... then day 2 he revealed he was bomb.... all could be discredited by a single inspection..... so if the team you are 3 are pushing for is scum then Peace is a good candidate for GF not Theo..

 

when you were pushing the theory of mafia being named characters belonging to generals team, in reply to your post theo voluntarily gave away the information that she is a towny and she has an evil towny character.

 

i think you are reading toooooo much into her characters name..... and how about Peaces character name?? do you have a problem with that too??

 

at the time being i m getting a high scum read from Ishy, Mish and (BFG/Des)... i never suspected you being a scum this strongly before this post.... but i am still going to vote for ishy or mish and will still resort to voting for u as a last resort.

 

 

You better be sure to spell your reasons out for Mish or she'll call you stupid.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

i have this sinking feeling... what if Peace is actually a god father?

 

he wasnt Nkilled after the softclaim in D1....... a good claim for a GF to make since he cant be inspected... and we havnt tested the theory

 

 

we stand at 5vs3  (assuming there are only 3 mafias)

 

lets go with BFG original idea for a second

 

if the person X we are going to lynch tonight becomes L1 for Peace... there are a few possibilities (provided doctor isnt able to save anyone - best case scenario he keeps saving Golden)

 

1. lets say peace is mafia and not the bomb and

        a) Person X is a mafia.. we end up at 4vs1... if we vote for person x directly we end up at 4vs2

        b) Person X is a towny.. we end up at 4vs2.. if we vote for person x directly we end up at 3vs3 (townys lose)

 

2. lets say peace is a towny and

        a) Person X is a mafia... we end up at 3vs2... if we vote for person x directly we end up at 4vs2..... we would still have a majority

        b) Person X is a towny.. we end up at 2vs3 (townys lose)... if we vote for person x directly we end up at 3vs3 (townys lose)

 

so basically if we go for Peace L1 lynch       option 1 is the best scenario if Peace is mafia

                                                                     option 2a still keeps towny from loosing but not the best scenario if Peace is a towny and person x is mafia

                                                                     option 2b we lose either way if peace is a towny

 

so.. if we chose for Peace L1 lynch we end up at 4vs1, 4vs2, 3vs2, 2vs3 (towny lose)..... and if we lynch person X we end up at 4vs2, 3vs3 (towny lose), 4vs2, 3vs3 (towny lose)

 

lets say Peace is a towny... then out of 6 of us 3 are mafia (golden not in the count)... if we chose a person completely at random for Peace L1 we have 50% of losing at D3... a                                                                                                                                                  random Person X lynching gives 50% chance of losing at D3

         if   Peace is scum...... then out of 6 of us 2 are mafia (golden not in the count).... if we chose a person completely at random for Peace L1 we have 0% of losing at D3.... a

                                                                                                                                        random Person X lynching gives 66% chance of losing at D3

 

now since it would not actually be completely random the chances of loosing decreases further....

 

i say we all make our cases and let golden decide in the end who goes for Peace L1.... the only way it works is we all agree to it... no backing out at the last moment.... we can make a pact that if that happens we all lynch person X the one golden chooses.

 

now since golden has inpected already 1 person out of 6 (provided he hasnt inspected peace)... that leaves 5 candidates 3 or 2 of them scum... and if the person inspected isnt a doctor.. and the doctor comes out with the claim that would make it 4 candidates 3 or 2 of them scums.... 

 

and if the doctor is NK protecting Golden.... we still will have one more inspection out of remaining 4-5 players.... and since Day 4 will be highly likely the last day to get it right we will no longer need a doctor or an inspector after that point.

 

what do you say all?? we can make this work

[Babar Hasan Khan]

 

 

 

 

can you really say the sentence that has been bolded was wrong? and was it wrong to ask y?

 

 

meant to reply earlier - it's bad because it draws attention to a 180 which may indicate the Cop.  If you think you've found the Cop you don't want to telegraph it to Mafia.

 

 

I think he found the cop and tried to get him lynched.

 

thanks for giving me that credit but i m not that good... you are saying that i was going after golden after day one because i somehow had figured out that he was a cop... i presented my case y i was voting for golden at that point.... he was making a case against Dap and Des for the better part of the day... who at D1 i thought were more likely to be townies..... and he changed his vote (L1) in the last 24 hours to Lenlo without giving a reason at that point.

 

BFG has placed a thought that since a person did a 180 indicated that he was a cop at that time....... no it doesnt..... claiming he was a cop indicated he was a cop.... 

 

and if you reason is that i was tunneling/voting/accusing/training against a person who turned out to be a towny...... then at this point in game i dont see a single person who does not stand in that category with me.... including u

[GoldeneyesND]

Err, I find the likelihood of your scenario actually happening slim to none. I applaud the effort, but you're asking 4 town (assuming Peace is town) to line up on a vote and inviting scum to jump on a bomb? How much you want to bet this gets laughed away immediately. Me? I'm going to find scum by looking at voting patterns and re-reading. What is your opinion of Desp's desperate attempt at convincing everyone Theo is a Godfather?

[BFG]

Complete trains ( I apologise for any errors)

 

Day 1:

BFG: Nolder , Des, Pral

Lenlo: Des Peace, Ishy, Mish, BFG, Leelou, Peace, Golden, Dap

Dap: Ishy, Nolder, Des, Golden, Dora, Peace

No Lynch: Err

Peace: Err, Pral, Nolder, Dap, Des, Dora, Leelou (Peace claims)

Ishy: Dora

Pral: Leelou

Nolder: Golden

Des: Nolder, BFG, Leelou (Des claims), Lenlo, Golden

Mish: Ishy

Golden: Err, Des,

 

Day 2:

Golden: Ishy, Leelou, Err, (Mish posts intent), Dora

Dap: Peace

Peace: Dap, Des, Dora (Peace claims bomb)

Leelou: Golden, Err, Dap, Dora, Peace, BFG

Theo: Des, Peace, Des, Leelou, Mish, Ishy, BFG,

Err: BFG, Peace

Mish: BFG

[hazelkrs1]

4. If it is such an inexperienced scum team, then why half the town is gone?

 

5. What's your issue with semantic - vanilla/townie/good guy?

 

 

Why would you think that an inexperienced scum team would automatically do worse? Experience can go far in this game, but it doesn't win games alone. I've seen plenty of "outmatched" scum teams go on to steamroll town, and I've seen scum teams with very experienced players get pantsed. Experience might help you in general game to game, but that doesn't mean that newer players can't also pull one over on more experienced players.

 

Ugh @ peeps calling stuff semantics lately. I have a problem with it because you seem to be regurgitating the word "vanilla" over and over. Not just that you're townie, but that you're vanilla. You've repeated it ad nauseum, which makes me think that you are doing so because you in fact DO have a role (GF). Scummies tend to have guilty consciences, and try to cover it up but sometimes slip up in doing so. There's really no other explanation for why you would describe yourself as vanilla so many times.

 

Check it out:

 

 

I am vanilla and my point is toeliminate scum.

 

I am Shane and vanilla

 

 

I am Shane and Vanilla, Despo.

 

 

Yes, Shane is Vanilla Town - I don't need to explain more.

 

 

Why, Mish? That I am all over the place - how could I get any info otherwise. Besides, I was as transperent as possible, being Shane and Vanilla. Tell me why?

 

You repeat it unnecessarily so many times I am left with no choice but to come to the conclusion that you WANT us to think you're vanilla.

 

Despo, your last few posts have been the scummiest you've made in a game replete with them.

 

To clarify

1. Theo is scum
2. If I investigate Theo and she comes up town, she's still scum because she's a GF
3. There was a huge effort to save her yesterday

Well here's the problem with that. There was a huge effort yesterday not to lynch Theo and it was started by Dap and I, the only two confirmed town. The only thing you've done this game that stops me from voting you right now is your day 1 unvote; which is ironic because it was the same thing that made me vote for you on Day 1.

 

So now you've got a problem, because trying to strong-arm me into a decision is never a good idea. I'm not voting Theo today and neither are Err or Theo presumably. So unless everyone else in this game votes for her I suggest another name be put forward if you guys want to lynch. Your name just jumped to the top of my list, I dunno about everyone else. Love to hear from BFG and Peace today. Peace may be tied up with Thanksgiving, but BFG should be around sometime I hope. 

 

Okay so firstly, your reads have been complete poop this game. You were wrong about Dap D1. You were wrong about Leelou D2. You're wrong about me, and you continuously say that you won't be voting someone period, even when their scumminess should be smacking you in the face by now. I think you think that because you're the Cop, that you know what's best and can try and lead town (I mean, now you're vouching for other people's votes, and you did the same yesterday).

 

Being a Cop doesn't really give you better reads. You're still new, and obviously need to get a couple of games under your belt to get a feel for how people play around here, and important things to look out for, etc.

 

So please dude, stop and think everything over for a moment. I trust that you do have the mind for this game, I just think your stubborness is getting in the way a bit.

 

Okay as far as your post goes:

 

1. I don't know Theo is scum. I strongly suspect her, however.

2. Again, I don't KNOW that she's scum, but because I am suspicious of her being a GF (a common role in basic games), I wouldn't really feel that much better about her if you had viewed her as town. I can only suspect however, that this might be what have happened, otherwise I dunno WHY you'd still be defending her this much. If this is true, again, stop for a moment and think. You didn't even know of a GF till it was brought up in this game. If YOU were a GF, what would be your strategy? Would you try to keep from getting too much heat, while still possibly trying to draw a view? Would your role be important enough that scum might try to do what they can to save you (Peace and BFG in this instance)?

 

Theo put out that she had one of the characters I named as possible candidates for a scum team. This automatically introduced wifom into the game. Could we trust that she wouldn't give up her character in this scenario if she was scum? Could we trust that the character she claimed, someone who is portrayed as Rick's adversary through almost the entire show, and whose last moments on screen literally consisted of trying to eatmurder Rick, could be town? Normally, a viewing helps deal with some wifom. But in this case, if she was the GF, the viewing would just convince everyone she was town, so that she could coast to endgame.

 

Now seriously. Is what I'm saying that outlandish here?

 

3. There WAS a huge effort to save her yesterday. You are correct. And you're correct that you helped push it. But your vote wasn't what helped to derail the train on her. You were convinced you were right, and posted just enough doubt about her lynch that you helped provide the opportunity for her team to save her. The fact that you don't see this is baffling, tbh. Just because you and Dap both pushed for Leelou doesn't mean that the scum team wouldn't have also worked hard to save their teammate. They were prob counting on you ignoring their play because you would think that YOU caused Leelou to get lynched. And apparently it worked.

 

As for other names, my top pick is Theo, and I def think she is the best lynch candidate BY FAR, but I could also vote for BFG, Peace, or possibly Err as well.

 

The difference is that Despo has given his reasons (pro town move) and Ishy hasn't (pro scum move.)

 

Plus...Despo still can't read me.  Game after game he gets me wrong.

 

Dude, you say this every game that I suspect you of being scum. I've told you before, it won't deter me from following up on a read I have on you. All it takes is one time for me to disregard a feeling I have about you for you to use that against me and hurt my team.

 

I don't solely rely on meta, so even if I did have a solid meta read on you, I still wouldn't let that ever dissuade me from applying pressure if I saw fit. But you know you have a bit of a hard meta to read; posting short posts and responses does that for you. Not gonna knock it, to each their own, but still.

 

 

 

Look out for those withholding votes too long today, as they're prob scum waiting to see if a townie gets a vote on them so they can try and speedhammer.

 

 

I see no point in pushing a quick day other than to foment confusion. How is Day 3 any different from Day 1 in that respect? Day 1 you wanted a longer discussion, now you want people to be wary of those who don't vote quickly?

 

 

It's called baiting bro. I was trying to get scum to play their hand. And look, Peace ended up voting Err, tho I never really saw him fos'ing Err much before today. So it might have startled him at least.

 

What I said is true tho, btw. Scum WILL try and hang back when it's lylo to wait and see if a townie gets a vote or two so that they can speedhammer. I don't want a speedlynch, unless it's on Theo (I think there's MOAR than enough evidence to lynch her on), but I also don't want them to have the opportunity to win this today when we still have a shot. Say you voted me, for instance. Err has already indicated he would vote me, and BFG as well, two people I think could be scum. I bet Theo would have no problem as well. So letting them sit back and wait for a townie to slip up plays right into their hand.

 

Also, the fact that BFG cased me last Day, and keeps prodding at me now, but never places a vote, is telling.

 

Just thought about something, didn't Dap case her pretty strongly right before he died? He was a confirmed townie anyways, so would have been a good NK choice, but I think it's possible the scum team also killed him because he was onto BFG. I really don't like her casing today, it seems completely contrived and circumstantial. It doesn't look like she's looking for evidence of anyone being scum, but that she was looking for evidence to use to support her agenda.

 

Top scum reads are Mish and Des. Before you ask Mish- no I'm not going to explain

 

This is really anti-town btw bro. Really not liking your confrontational attitude lately either. You're completely screwing this game up for us man. Let go of your pride and freaking see reason.

 

For the moment my top reads are: Des, Peace, Err

 

I'm not getting Townie signals from anyone, so I'm wary of (and suspect) everyone, which isn't helping.

 

 

Mix of reasons.

 

I know I'm Town

 

I (strongly) believe Golden is Town - if he was mafia he'd have come in with a 'guilty' and we'd have mislynched by now and game over...

 

Dora - leaning Town.  She's been pushed too heavily by people, some of whom must be mafia.  At the moment there's no benefit in mafia pushing one of their own to gain street cred for later, one more mislynch and they don't need a later.

 

Mish - wary - I liked her play regarding Golden and response to my case Day 2.  Still wary, she seems very confident that Des is Town, but she was (confident he was town) in the Weasley game as well.  Still hasn't explained why she was ok with Des's early votes and not Nolders.

 

Ishy - wary - there's a couple of points when he defended Des Day 1, the voting around the Lenlo lynch, but nothing that stands out.

 

Err - I really don't like his play, but I'm putting some down to the difference between real life play and online play, but there are some that are hard to swallow, not understanding the lynch Day 1 (he seemed very upset that Golden placed a L1 vote - that close to deadline, somebody has to)

 

Peace - troublesome.  The voting around Lenlos lynch stands out and in my mind links Peace/Des/Ishy.  Also the fact that Nolder pointed some of this out and was NK, he pushed Peace & Des strongly as well.  Finally there's the lack of a NK after claiming a role, and introducing the possibility of a SK.

 

Des - strongest read - too many things that don't make sense.  Day 1 the unvote, may have been done to play to his meta (is the best reason I can come up with), but then the contradiction between voting Dap/Lenlo for delaying the game then prodding Mish for trying to start it, bunch of other stuff, that bizarre lynching Dora to test Peace...

 

Re: Dora - Some of whom MUST be mafia, eh? How about it's just that she's scummy enough that a few diff people see that she is most likely scum?

 

Re: Mish - Uhm, I WAS town in the Weasley game. Shows how well you can read me You were even talking smack in the QT during that game as well, trying to say I was playing scummy, when I helped turn that game around for town almost single-handedly.

 

Re: Peace - I agree with some of the points you mention here; I too thought Nol getting NK'ed could have been cause he voted Peace D1. Of course, Nol was voting a lot of people day 1, so really it could have been someone else trying to silence him, or even someone wanting to kill him to set up a frame job on one of the people he went after. As for the SK thing, right now that's the biggest thing against him in my book, and the main reason I think he could be Theo's teammate.

 

Re: Me - How does my D1 unvote not make any sense? Maybe it wasn't the best play at the time, but I got a feeling Dap was town cause of some of the bandwagon votes I saw on him (one of which was Theo's btw, that she tried pushing as a policy lynch if I'm not mistaken), and I ended up being right. What's odd about that?

 

I don't know what you're talking about as far as Mish goes. Only time I remember seeing a scumtell from her this game was when she hammered Lenlo, she kinda overexplained her vote somewhat, which is something she'll do as scum. Other than that tho, I've seen strong towntells from her throughout the game.

 

And OMG this thing, you have been completely hung up on me saying we could lynch Theo to test Peace. What I said before wasn't that complicated, and I believe I already addressed this before but if not:

 

Peace put out the idea of Theo being a SK. At the time, this made sense to me considering the theme (Shane would fit as a SK, killed other humans and tried killing Rick). But I also knew this game was basic, and we had a pair of Lovers flip day 1. A basic game just isn't gonna have Lovers, a SK, a Doc, Cop, AND a Bomb. So, if Theo flipped Goon or VT, then Peace's Bomb claim would still be somewhat plausible. If she flipped SK, I would have been fine with lynching Peace after that, knowing that it was extremely unlikely that he was telling the truth about his role.

 

THAT'S how we could have tested Peace's claim somewhat by lynching Theo. I now think that they, and you, are teammates, and that Peace pushed out the SK idea as a way to help Theo get viewed. Either way, there was nothing "bizarre" about what I was suggesting before. It wasn't foolproof, but it was something.

 

lets just say for a second that you, ishy and mish are right

 

Peace, Theo, (Err/BFG) are mafia..... in this case i still dont see y u would accuse theo to be GF... the most likely candidate is Peace... he revealed his characters name (towny name) and said he was roled... then day 2 he revealed he was bomb.... all could be discredited by a single inspection..... so if the team you are 3 are pushing for is scum then Peace is a good candidate for GF not Theo..

 

when you were pushing the theory of mafia being named characters belonging to generals team, in reply to your post theo voluntarily gave away the information that she is a towny and she has an evil towny character.

 

i think you are reading toooooo much into her characters name..... and how about Peaces character name?? do you have a problem with that too??

 

at the time being i m getting a high scum read from Ishy, Mish and (BFG/Des)... i never suspected you being a scum this strongly before this post.... but i am still going to vote for ishy or mish and will still resort to voting for u as a last resort.

 

 

Peace claimed T-Dog, someone who has a good chance of being in the game, and someone who would def be town. Theo claimed Shane, again, someone who is likely in the game, but someone who I think would stand a good chance of being scum (if you watched the show, you'd know what I meant). More importantly, I think Theo claimed her character when she did, in response to me, because she wanted to get viewed. This, and Peace suggesting she could be a SK (which could also help get her viewed), is why I think that SHE is a GF. Of course I could be wrong, and Peace could be one. but I haven't personally seen anything which would make me think this would be the case.

 

Also, you really didn't respond to just about any of the points I brought up in my post, tho you promised a reply long ago. What's up with that? You quoted it yourself, want me to post it again for you? Cause right now you're 4th on my list, but you not budging on Theo and not responding to the points I brought against her is making me think you maybe should be higher on that list...

[BFG]

One thing that stands out that I missed earlier.

 

Peaces switch in voting from Dora to Leelou after his vote on Err.  When you came back you said Leelou was more mafia, why?

[hazelkrs1]

i have this sinking feeling... what if Peace is actually a god father?

 

he wasnt Nkilled after the softclaim in D1....... a good claim for a GF to make since he cant be inspected... and we havnt tested the theory

 

 

we stand at 5vs3 (assuming there are only 3 mafias)

 

lets go with BFG original idea for a second

 

if the person X we are going to lynch tonight becomes L1 for Peace... there are a few possibilities (provided doctor isnt able to save anyone - best case scenario he keeps saving Golden)

 

1. lets say peace is mafia and not the bomb and

a) Person X is a mafia.. we end up at 4vs1... if we vote for person x directly we end up at 4vs2

b) Person X is a towny.. we end up at 4vs2.. if we vote for person x directly we end up at 3vs3 (townys lose)

 

2. lets say peace is a towny and

a) Person X is a mafia... we end up at 3vs2... if we vote for person x directly we end up at 4vs2..... we would still have a majority

b) Person X is a towny.. we end up at 2vs3 (townys lose)... if we vote for person x directly we end up at 3vs3 (townys lose)

 

so basically if we go for Peace L1 lynch option 1 is the best scenario if Peace is mafia

option 2a still keeps towny from loosing but not the best scenario if Peace is a towny and person x is mafia

option 2b we lose either way if peace is a towny

 

so.. if we chose for Peace L1 lynch we end up at 4vs1, 4vs2, 3vs2, 2vs3 (towny lose)..... and if we lynch person X we end up at 4vs2, 3vs3 (towny lose), 4vs2, 3vs3 (towny lose)

 

lets say Peace is a towny... then out of 6 of us 3 are mafia (golden not in the count)... if we chose a person completely at random for Peace L1 we have 50% of losing at D3... a random Person X lynching gives 50% chance of losing at D3

if Peace is scum...... then out of 6 of us 2 are mafia (golden not in the count).... if we chose a person completely at random for Peace L1 we have 0% of losing at D3.... a

random Person X lynching gives 66% chance of losing at D3

 

now since it would not actually be completely random the chances of loosing decreases further....

 

i say we all make our cases and let golden decide in the end who goes for Peace L1.... the only way it works is we all agree to it... no backing out at the last moment.... we can make a pact that if that happens we all lynch person X the one golden chooses.

 

now since golden has inpected already 1 person out of 6 (provided he hasnt inspected peace)... that leaves 5 candidates 3 or 2 of them scum... and if the person inspected isnt a doctor.. and the doctor comes out with the claim that would make it 4 candidates 3 or 2 of them scums....

 

and if the doctor is NK protecting Golden.... we still will have one more inspection out of remaining 4-5 players.... and since Day 4 will be highly likely the last day to get it right we will no longer need a doctor or an inspector after that point.

 

what do you say all?? we can make this work

Oh God more gadgeting? Seriously?

 

Hey, I got an idea. Let's just lynch at random every day from now on, in every game, and hope for the best!

 

Orrrrrrrr, we could play this game the way it was meant to be played, and VOTR FOR WHO WE THINK IS SCUM. God I'm so sick of seeing this type of thing.

 

Oh and if you think I'm fine with leaving town's fate in the hands of Golden, you got another thing coming. Dude has already shown multiple times that he is not even close to being ready for that responsibility.

[GoldeneyesND]

Oh Desp, don't let me take your joy away. I'm just one person posting in a game. You can say I have bad reads, and I agree, we have lynched 2 town. But if you don't think your posts are both confrontational and reek of condescension, I would question your self-awareness. Town's not winning, we're getting our clocks cleaned. Maybe we need to change things up a bit? I do enjoy how when you employ a tactic, you call it baiting and act as if I'm somehow deficient for not recognizing it, but if I'm confrontational, it must just be because I'm a jerk. You drink your own kool aid a bit much my man. You've come at me with a fair amount of force on several occasions here and you don't see me getting upset. Mish didn't really rise to the bait though did she? Because she's a grown up and as she stated earlier in the game "welcome to mafia."

[hazelkrs1]

Youre right, I am letting the game get to me a bit too much. I tend to be a bit more emotional when playing than most, and tbh, even tho this might make me sound like an ahole, I'm not fond of playing with too many newer players. I don't have the patience for it. I have also seen too many games recently where I had rock solid reads, but everyone ignored them. Tends to get me fairly frustrated.

 

I was a bit too hard on you tho, my bad.

 

But please dude. Take a moment to think about the situation. This isn't that difficult. There was a concerted effort between Peace and BFG yesterday to get Leelou lynched and save Theo. The case against Theo was already substantial BEFORE that point. This really isn't rocket science.

[BFG]

 

 

For the moment my top reads are: Des, Peace, Err

 

I'm not getting Townie signals from anyone, so I'm wary of (and suspect) everyone, which isn't helping.

 

 

Mix of reasons.

 

I know I'm Town

 

I (strongly) believe Golden is Town - if he was mafia he'd have come in with a 'guilty' and we'd have mislynched by now and game over...

 

Dora - leaning Town.  She's been pushed too heavily by people, some of whom must be mafia.  At the moment there's no benefit in mafia pushing one of their own to gain street cred for later, one more mislynch and they don't need a later.

 

Mish - wary - I liked her play regarding Golden and response to my case Day 2.  Still wary, she seems very confident that Des is Town, but she was (confident he was town) in the Weasley game as well.  Still hasn't explained why she was ok with Des's early votes and not Nolders.

 

Ishy - wary - there's a couple of points when he defended Des Day 1, the voting around the Lenlo lynch, but nothing that stands out.

 

Err - I really don't like his play, but I'm putting some down to the difference between real life play and online play, but there are some that are hard to swallow, not understanding the lynch Day 1 (he seemed very upset that Golden placed a L1 vote - that close to deadline, somebody has to)

 

Peace - troublesome.  The voting around Lenlos lynch stands out and in my mind links Peace/Des/Ishy.  Also the fact that Nolder pointed some of this out and was NK, he pushed Peace & Des strongly as well.  Finally there's the lack of a NK after claiming a role, and introducing the possibility of a SK.

 

Des - strongest read - too many things that don't make sense.  Day 1 the unvote, may have been done to play to his meta (is the best reason I can come up with), but then the contradiction between voting Dap/Lenlo for delaying the game then prodding Mish for trying to start it, bunch of other stuff, that bizarre lynching Dora to test Peace...

 

Re: Dora - Some of whom MUST be mafia, eh? How about it's just that she's scummy enough that a few diff people see that she is most likely scum?

 

Re: Mish - Uhm, I WAS town in the Weasley game. Shows how well you can read me You were even talking smack in the QT during that game as well, trying to say I was playing scummy, when I helped turn that game around for town almost single-handedly.

 

Re: Peace - I agree with some of the points you mention here; I too thought Nol getting NK'ed could have been cause he voted Peace D1. Of course, Nol was voting a lot of people day 1, so really it could have been someone else trying to silence him, or even someone wanting to kill him to set up a frame job on one of the people he went after. As for the SK thing, right now that's the biggest thing against him in my book, and the main reason I think he could be Theo's teammate.

 

Re: Me - How does my D1 unvote not make any sense? Maybe it wasn't the best play at the time, but I got a feeling Dap was town cause of some of the bandwagon votes I saw on him (one of which was Theo's btw, that she tried pushing as a policy lynch if I'm not mistaken), and I ended up being right. What's odd about that?

 

I don't know what you're talking about as far as Mish goes. Only time I remember seeing a scumtell from her this game was when she hammered Lenlo, she kinda overexplained her vote somewhat, which is something she'll do as scum. Other than that tho, I've seen strong towntells from her throughout the game.

 

And OMG this thing, you have been completely hung up on me saying we could lynch Theo to test Peace. What I said before wasn't that complicated, and I believe I already addressed this before but if not:

 

Peace put out the idea of Theo being a SK. At the time, this made sense to me considering the theme (Shane would fit as a SK, killed other humans and tried killing Rick). But I also knew this game was basic, and we had a pair of Lovers flip day 1. A basic game just isn't gonna have Lovers, a SK, a Doc, Cop, AND a Bomb. So, if Theo flipped Goon or VT, then Peace's Bomb claim would still be somewhat plausible. If she flipped SK, I would have been fine with lynching Peace after that, knowing that it was extremely unlikely that he was telling the truth about his role.

 

THAT'S how we could have tested Peace's claim somewhat by lynching Theo. I now think that they, and you, are teammates, and that Peace pushed out the SK idea as a way to help Theo get viewed. Either way, there was nothing "bizarre" about what I was suggesting before. It wasn't foolproof, but it was something.

 

re. Dora - seemings how currently you're my strongest read, then yes I think some of you must be mafia, but otherwise fair point

 

re. Mish she didn't hammer Lenlo and unfortunately I don't have a lot of meta to go on yet.

 

re. lynching Dora to test Peace - again this seemed at the time to be one of your biggest reasons for voting Dora (admittedly not your only one).  A mislynch yesterday put us at Lylo today, so lynching anyone to test a theory was an awful idea.  Lynching Peace the way I suggested would at least not put us in a worse position as the person hammering would be the person being lynched anyway (as it happens you're probably right about the 'logistics' of the case)

 

re. the unvote - it doesn't make sense because in two posts after you unvoted you said that the last 2 votes on Dap may be mafia, and also that you still thought Dap was mafia (in itself ok), but you also said that you wanted information from D1 (such as claims, voting patterns...), as Leelou said L2 is when most people reveal information.  Unvoting before Dap had chance to reply (when you thought he might still be mafia), doesn't make sense from any angle, so yes, every time I reread, it sticks out, you admitting it was bad play doesn't change that.

 

 

 

Additionally your team of Dora, Peace and myself (looked at as objectively as I can) relies on me being stupid enough to vote Dora instead of Leelou with 8 hours to go when based on the previous lynch not many people are around to do much of anything.

 

 

 

re. Weasley Game - yes, I had a town read on you (from your actions) from very early that game, although didn't see the need to post it in thread, and I don't this game.  Leelou was also in that game and didn't think you're playing to Town meta this game.  (Also reread that thread without knowing you were 'trapping' Peace/Verb since we didn't have your QT.  Most of the comments were about how quiet the main thread was and how that was bad for Town, wondering if you realized Peace had to be mafia (since in-thread you were questioning balance), I think the only person that said you were acting badly was Csarmi when he said leaving your vote parked on Tina was a bad thing (and I agreed through frustration), since it left her in a position of Mafia being able to speed hammer.) 

[Babar Hasan Khan]

 

4. If it is such an inexperienced scum team, then why half the town is gone?

 

5. What's your issue with semantic - vanilla/townie/good guy?

 

 

Why would you think that an inexperienced scum team would automatically do worse? Experience can go far in this game, but it doesn't win games alone. I've seen plenty of "outmatched" scum teams go on to steamroll town, and I've seen scum teams with very experienced players get pantsed. Experience might help you in general game to game, but that doesn't mean that newer players can't also pull one over on more experienced players.

 

Ugh @ peeps calling stuff semantics lately. I have a problem with it because you seem to be regurgitating the word "vanilla" over and over. Not just that you're townie, but that you're vanilla. You've repeated it ad nauseum, which makes me think that you are doing so because you in fact DO have a role (GF). Scummies tend to have guilty consciences, and try to cover it up but sometimes slip up in doing so. There's really no other explanation for why you would describe yourself as vanilla so many times.

 

Check it out:

 

 

I am vanilla and my point is toeliminate scum.

 

I am Shane and vanilla

 

 

I am Shane and Vanilla, Despo.

 

 

Yes, Shane is Vanilla Town - I don't need to explain more.

 

 

Why, Mish? That I am all over the place - how could I get any info otherwise. Besides, I was as transperent as possible, being Shane and Vanilla. Tell me why?

 

You repeat it unnecessarily so many times I am left with no choice but to come to the conclusion that you WANT us to think you're vanilla.

 

Despo, your last few posts have been the scummiest you've made in a game replete with them.

 

To clarify

1. Theo is scum
2. If I investigate Theo and she comes up town, she's still scum because she's a GF
3. There was a huge effort to save her yesterday

Well here's the problem with that. There was a huge effort yesterday not to lynch Theo and it was started by Dap and I, the only two confirmed town. The only thing you've done this game that stops me from voting you right now is your day 1 unvote; which is ironic because it was the same thing that made me vote for you on Day 1.

 

So now you've got a problem, because trying to strong-arm me into a decision is never a good idea. I'm not voting Theo today and neither are Err or Theo presumably. So unless everyone else in this game votes for her I suggest another name be put forward if you guys want to lynch. Your name just jumped to the top of my list, I dunno about everyone else. Love to hear from BFG and Peace today. Peace may be tied up with Thanksgiving, but BFG should be around sometime I hope. 

 

Okay so firstly, your reads have been complete poop this game. You were wrong about Dap D1. You were wrong about Leelou D2. You're wrong about me, and you continuously say that you won't be voting someone period, even when their scumminess should be smacking you in the face by now. I think you think that because you're the Cop, that you know what's best and can try and lead town (I mean, now you're vouching for other people's votes, and you did the same yesterday).

 

Being a Cop doesn't really give you better reads. You're still new, and obviously need to get a couple of games under your belt to get a feel for how people play around here, and important things to look out for, etc.

 

So please dude, stop and think everything over for a moment. I trust that you do have the mind for this game, I just think your stubborness is getting in the way a bit.

 

Okay as far as your post goes:

 

1. I don't know Theo is scum. I strongly suspect her, however.

2. Again, I don't KNOW that she's scum, but because I am suspicious of her being a GF (a common role in basic games), I wouldn't really feel that much better about her if you had viewed her as town. I can only suspect however, that this might be what have happened, otherwise I dunno WHY you'd still be defending her this much. If this is true, again, stop for a moment and think. You didn't even know of a GF till it was brought up in this game. If YOU were a GF, what would be your strategy? Would you try to keep from getting too much heat, while still possibly trying to draw a view? Would your role be important enough that scum might try to do what they can to save you (Peace and BFG in this instance)?

 

Theo put out that she had one of the characters I named as possible candidates for a scum team. This automatically introduced wifom into the game. Could we trust that she wouldn't give up her character in this scenario if she was scum? Could we trust that the character she claimed, someone who is portrayed as Rick's adversary through almost the entire show, and whose last moments on screen literally consisted of trying to eatmurder Rick, could be town? Normally, a viewing helps deal with some wifom. But in this case, if she was the GF, the viewing would just convince everyone she was town, so that she could coast to endgame.

 

Now seriously. Is what I'm saying that outlandish here?

 

3. There WAS a huge effort to save her yesterday. You are correct. And you're correct that you helped push it. But your vote wasn't what helped to derail the train on her. You were convinced you were right, and posted just enough doubt about her lynch that you helped provide the opportunity for her team to save her. The fact that you don't see this is baffling, tbh. Just because you and Dap both pushed for Leelou doesn't mean that the scum team wouldn't have also worked hard to save their teammate. They were prob counting on you ignoring their play because you would think that YOU caused Leelou to get lynched. And apparently it worked.

 

As for other names, my top pick is Theo, and I def think she is the best lynch candidate BY FAR, but I could also vote for BFG, Peace, or possibly Err as well.

 

The difference is that Despo has given his reasons (pro town move) and Ishy hasn't (pro scum move.)

 

Plus...Despo still can't read me.  Game after game he gets me wrong.

 

Dude, you say this every game that I suspect you of being scum. I've told you before, it won't deter me from following up on a read I have on you. All it takes is one time for me to disregard a feeling I have about you for you to use that against me and hurt my team.

 

I don't solely rely on meta, so even if I did have a solid meta read on you, I still wouldn't let that ever dissuade me from applying pressure if I saw fit. But you know you have a bit of a hard meta to read; posting short posts and responses does that for you. Not gonna knock it, to each their own, but still.

 

 

 

Look out for those withholding votes too long today, as they're prob scum waiting to see if a townie gets a vote on them so they can try and speedhammer.

 

 

I see no point in pushing a quick day other than to foment confusion. How is Day 3 any different from Day 1 in that respect? Day 1 you wanted a longer discussion, now you want people to be wary of those who don't vote quickly?

 

 

It's called baiting bro. I was trying to get scum to play their hand. And look, Peace ended up voting Err, tho I never really saw him fos'ing Err much before today. So it might have startled him at least.

 

What I said is true tho, btw. Scum WILL try and hang back when it's lylo to wait and see if a townie gets a vote or two so that they can speedhammer. I don't want a speedlynch, unless it's on Theo (I think there's MOAR than enough evidence to lynch her on), but I also don't want them to have the opportunity to win this today when we still have a shot. Say you voted me, for instance. Err has already indicated he would vote me, and BFG as well, two people I think could be scum. I bet Theo would have no problem as well. So letting them sit back and wait for a townie to slip up plays right into their hand.

 

Also, the fact that BFG cased me last Day, and keeps prodding at me now, but never places a vote, is telling.

 

Just thought about something, didn't Dap case her pretty strongly right before he died? He was a confirmed townie anyways, so would have been a good NK choice, but I think it's possible the scum team also killed him because he was onto BFG. I really don't like her casing today, it seems completely contrived and circumstantial. It doesn't look like she's looking for evidence of anyone being scum, but that she was looking for evidence to use to support her agenda.

 

Top scum reads are Mish and Des. Before you ask Mish- no I'm not going to explain

 

This is really anti-town btw bro. Really not liking your confrontational attitude lately either. You're completely screwing this game up for us man. Let go of your pride and freaking see reason.

 

For the moment my top reads are: Des, Peace, Err

 

I'm not getting Townie signals from anyone, so I'm wary of (and suspect) everyone, which isn't helping.

 

 

Mix of reasons.

 

I know I'm Town

 

I (strongly) believe Golden is Town - if he was mafia he'd have come in with a 'guilty' and we'd have mislynched by now and game over...

 

Dora - leaning Town.  She's been pushed too heavily by people, some of whom must be mafia.  At the moment there's no benefit in mafia pushing one of their own to gain street cred for later, one more mislynch and they don't need a later.

 

Mish - wary - I liked her play regarding Golden and response to my case Day 2.  Still wary, she seems very confident that Des is Town, but she was (confident he was town) in the Weasley game as well.  Still hasn't explained why she was ok with Des's early votes and not Nolders.

 

Ishy - wary - there's a couple of points when he defended Des Day 1, the voting around the Lenlo lynch, but nothing that stands out.

 

Err - I really don't like his play, but I'm putting some down to the difference between real life play and online play, but there are some that are hard to swallow, not understanding the lynch Day 1 (he seemed very upset that Golden placed a L1 vote - that close to deadline, somebody has to)

 

Peace - troublesome.  The voting around Lenlos lynch stands out and in my mind links Peace/Des/Ishy.  Also the fact that Nolder pointed some of this out and was NK, he pushed Peace & Des strongly as well.  Finally there's the lack of a NK after claiming a role, and introducing the possibility of a SK.

 

Des - strongest read - too many things that don't make sense.  Day 1 the unvote, may have been done to play to his meta (is the best reason I can come up with), but then the contradiction between voting Dap/Lenlo for delaying the game then prodding Mish for trying to start it, bunch of other stuff, that bizarre lynching Dora to test Peace...

 

Re: Dora - Some of whom MUST be mafia, eh? How about it's just that she's scummy enough that a few diff people see that she is most likely scum?

 

Re: Mish - Uhm, I WAS town in the Weasley game. Shows how well you can read me You were even talking smack in the QT during that game as well, trying to say I was playing scummy, when I helped turn that game around for town almost single-handedly.

 

Re: Peace - I agree with some of the points you mention here; I too thought Nol getting NK'ed could have been cause he voted Peace D1. Of course, Nol was voting a lot of people day 1, so really it could have been someone else trying to silence him, or even someone wanting to kill him to set up a frame job on one of the people he went after. As for the SK thing, right now that's the biggest thing against him in my book, and the main reason I think he could be Theo's teammate.

 

Re: Me - How does my D1 unvote not make any sense? Maybe it wasn't the best play at the time, but I got a feeling Dap was town cause of some of the bandwagon votes I saw on him (one of which was Theo's btw, that she tried pushing as a policy lynch if I'm not mistaken), and I ended up being right. What's odd about that?

 

I don't know what you're talking about as far as Mish goes. Only time I remember seeing a scumtell from her this game was when she hammered Lenlo, she kinda overexplained her vote somewhat, which is something she'll do as scum. Other than that tho, I've seen strong towntells from her throughout the game.

 

And OMG this thing, you have been completely hung up on me saying we could lynch Theo to test Peace. What I said before wasn't that complicated, and I believe I already addressed this before but if not:

 

Peace put out the idea of Theo being a SK. At the time, this made sense to me considering the theme (Shane would fit as a SK, killed other humans and tried killing Rick). But I also knew this game was basic, and we had a pair of Lovers flip day 1. A basic game just isn't gonna have Lovers, a SK, a Doc, Cop, AND a Bomb. So, if Theo flipped Goon or VT, then Peace's Bomb claim would still be somewhat plausible. If she flipped SK, I would have been fine with lynching Peace after that, knowing that it was extremely unlikely that he was telling the truth about his role.

 

THAT'S how we could have tested Peace's claim somewhat by lynching Theo. I now think that they, and you, are teammates, and that Peace pushed out the SK idea as a way to help Theo get viewed. Either way, there was nothing "bizarre" about what I was suggesting before. It wasn't foolproof, but it was something.

 

lets just say for a second that you, ishy and mish are right

 

Peace, Theo, (Err/BFG) are mafia..... in this case i still dont see y u would accuse theo to be GF... the most likely candidate is Peace... he revealed his characters name (towny name) and said he was roled... then day 2 he revealed he was bomb.... all could be discredited by a single inspection..... so if the team you are 3 are pushing for is scum then Peace is a good candidate for GF not Theo..

 

when you were pushing the theory of mafia being named characters belonging to generals team, in reply to your post theo voluntarily gave away the information that she is a towny and she has an evil towny character.

 

i think you are reading toooooo much into her characters name..... and how about Peaces character name?? do you have a problem with that too??

 

at the time being i m getting a high scum read from Ishy, Mish and (BFG/Des)... i never suspected you being a scum this strongly before this post.... but i am still going to vote for ishy or mish and will still resort to voting for u as a last resort.

 

 

Peace claimed T-Dog, someone who has a good chance of being in the game, and someone who would def be town. Theo claimed Shane, again, someone who is likely in the game, but someone who I think would stand a good chance of being scum (if you watched the show, you'd know what I meant). More importantly, I think Theo claimed her character when she did, in response to me, because she wanted to get viewed. This, and Peace suggesting she could be a SK (which could also help get her viewed), is why I think that SHE is a GF. Of course I could be wrong, and Peace could be one. but I haven't personally seen anything which would make me think this would be the case.

 

Also, you really didn't respond to just about any of the points I brought up in my post, tho you promised a reply long ago. What's up with that? You quoted it yourself, want me to post it again for you? Cause right now you're 4th on my list, but you not budging on Theo and not responding to the points I brought against her is making me think you maybe should be higher on that list...

 

ok ... your assumption that Theo is mafia is based on her claim on her character and wanted to be viewed... right and also because peace jumping to save a fellow mafia at desperate times

 

what i am saying is that if peace and theo are both in the scum team... then peace is a much better candidate of being the godfather... and falling under your category (attracting enough attention to be viewed but not voted out)...... wouldnt you agree??

 

so the way i see it, its peace gaining most attraction to be viewed in a single post rather then theo scenario played over days building up to that moment where she would be vindicated by the cop

 

and right now what are u doing is labeling everyone scummy if they dont agree with u..... even going after the cop to prove that u would go after anyone who doesnt agree on this premise 

 

this is the post i meant to reply about..... and golden to your question this is y i now m getting a scummy feeling about Des... 

[Babar Hasan Khan]

 

 

Peace claimed T-Dog, someone who has a good chance of being in the game, and someone who would def be town. Theo claimed Shane, again, someone who is likely in the game, but someone who I think would stand a good chance of being scum (if you watched the show, you'd know what I meant). More importantly, I think Theo claimed her character when she did, in response to me, because she wanted to get viewed. This, and Peace suggesting she could be a SK (which could also help get her viewed), is why I think that SHE is a GF. Of course I could be wrong, and Peace could be one. but I haven't personally seen anything which would make me think this would be the case.

 

Also, you really didn't respond to just about any of the points I brought up in my post, tho you promised a reply long ago. What's up with that? You quoted it yourself, want me to post it again for you? Cause right now you're 4th on my list, but you not budging on Theo and not responding to the points I brought against her is making me think you maybe should be higher on that list...

 

ok ... your assumption that Theo is mafia is based on her claim on her character and wanted to be viewed... right and also because peace jumping to save a fellow mafia at desperate times

 

what i am saying is that if peace and theo are both in the scum team... then peace is a much better candidate of being the godfather... and falling under your category (attracting enough attention to be viewed but not voted out)...... wouldnt you agree??

 

so the way i see it, its peace gaining most attraction to be viewed in a single post rather then theo scenario played over days building up to that moment where she would be vindicated by the cop

 

and right now what are u doing is labeling everyone scummy if they dont agree with u..... even going after the cop to prove that u would go after anyone who doesnt agree on this premise 

 

this is the post i meant to reply about..... and golden to your question this is y i now m getting a scummy feeling about Des... 

 

and also to add to that... with all your reasons containing all the if and buts it seems at the moment that you were laying ground work for an excuse if golden steps in claiming to have inspected theo as a towny.... especially she was the 2nd candidate to be lynched the night before

[GoldeneyesND]

Youre right, I am letting the game get to me a bit too much. I tend to be a bit more emotional when playing than most, and tbh, even tho this might make me sound like an ahole, I'm not fond of playing with too many newer players. I don't have the patience for it. I have also seen too many games recently where I had rock solid reads, but everyone ignored them. Tends to get me fairly frustrated.

 

I was a bit too hard on you tho, my bad.

 

But please dude. Take a moment to think about the situation. This isn't that difficult. There was a concerted effort between Peace and BFG yesterday to get Leelou lynched and save Theo. The case against Theo was already substantial BEFORE that point. This really isn't rocket science.

 

Fair enough man. I can see how that might be frustrating. Like I said, I don't take anything to heart. I have seen the Peace/BFG thing too and I don't think I am better suited to analyze those facts than anyone here. I do however have more information, so there's that.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

Err, I find the likelihood of your scenario actually happening slim to none. I applaud the effort, but you're asking 4 town (assuming Peace is town) to line up on a vote and inviting scum to jump on a bomb? How much you want to bet this gets laughed away immediately. Me? I'm going to find scum by looking at voting patterns and re-reading. What is your opinion of Desp's desperate attempt at convincing everyone Theo is a Godfather?

what i am saying is that if we lynch a town today we lose period.... so if we have a better chance of making it to D4 by making the person we are going to lynch anyway to be L1 on peace then y not take that chance?.... i have replied on desp comments again regarding the godfather theory

[Theodora]

 

 

Re: Dora - Some of whom MUST be mafia, eh? How about it's just that she's scummy enough that a few diff people see that she is most likely scum?

Some people see you scummy as well, are you scum, then? We could say this about everyon at this stage. I have been reading town from you but your tunnelling me seems scumy, don't you think?

 

 

Re: Mish - Uhm, I WAS town in the Weasley game. Shows how well you can read me You were even talking smack in the QT during that game as well, trying to say I was playing scummy, when I helped turn that game around for town almost single-handedly.

 

LoL, the last game when Heart was the Mod (Halloween Mafia) - you had the same suspicion about me, the whole game, as I am the top scum, te whole nine yards, whatever, and I got lynched and I was exactly what I was saying (townie without a role) + scum was exactly what I was voting for.  So, think a bit about the town, we cannot risk having another one killed.

 

 

Despo, you have an obsession with me being Mafia, GF, SK, maybe all of it at the same time. You accuse Goldeneyes for being a bad cop, as his pride/stubborness hindered his objectivity, but look at yourself. Can't I say the same about you? Sometimes when I read your posts, I have to repeat to myself it is only a game. Try looking at the others like Peace for instance. Look at the votes patterns, the trains.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

 

i have this sinking feeling... what if Peace is actually a god father?

 

he wasnt Nkilled after the softclaim in D1....... a good claim for a GF to make since he cant be inspected... and we havnt tested the theory

 

 

we stand at 5vs3 (assuming there are only 3 mafias)

 

lets go with BFG original idea for a second

 

if the person X we are going to lynch tonight becomes L1 for Peace... there are a few possibilities (provided doctor isnt able to save anyone - best case scenario he keeps saving Golden)

 

1. lets say peace is mafia and not the bomb and

a) Person X is a mafia.. we end up at 4vs1... if we vote for person x directly we end up at 4vs2

b) Person X is a towny.. we end up at 4vs2.. if we vote for person x directly we end up at 3vs3 (townys lose)

 

2. lets say peace is a towny and

a) Person X is a mafia... we end up at 3vs2... if we vote for person x directly we end up at 4vs2..... we would still have a majority

b) Person X is a towny.. we end up at 2vs3 (townys lose)... if we vote for person x directly we end up at 3vs3 (townys lose)

 

so basically if we go for Peace L1 lynch option 1 is the best scenario if Peace is mafia

option 2a still keeps towny from loosing but not the best scenario if Peace is a towny and person x is mafia

option 2b we lose either way if peace is a towny

 

so.. if we chose for Peace L1 lynch we end up at 4vs1, 4vs2, 3vs2, 2vs3 (towny lose)..... and if we lynch person X we end up at 4vs2, 3vs3 (towny lose), 4vs2, 3vs3 (towny lose)

 

lets say Peace is a towny... then out of 6 of us 3 are mafia (golden not in the count)... if we chose a person completely at random for Peace L1 we have 50% of losing at D3... a random Person X lynching gives 50% chance of losing at D3

if Peace is scum...... then out of 6 of us 2 are mafia (golden not in the count).... if we chose a person completely at random for Peace L1 we have 0% of losing at D3.... a

random Person X lynching gives 66% chance of losing at D3

 

now since it would not actually be completely random the chances of loosing decreases further....

 

i say we all make our cases and let golden decide in the end who goes for Peace L1.... the only way it works is we all agree to it... no backing out at the last moment.... we can make a pact that if that happens we all lynch person X the one golden chooses.

 

now since golden has inpected already 1 person out of 6 (provided he hasnt inspected peace)... that leaves 5 candidates 3 or 2 of them scum... and if the person inspected isnt a doctor.. and the doctor comes out with the claim that would make it 4 candidates 3 or 2 of them scums....

 

and if the doctor is NK protecting Golden.... we still will have one more inspection out of remaining 4-5 players.... and since Day 4 will be highly likely the last day to get it right we will no longer need a doctor or an inspector after that point.

 

what do you say all?? we can make this work

Oh God more gadgeting? Seriously?

 

Hey, I got an idea. Let's just lynch at random every day from now on, in every game, and hope for the best!

 

Orrrrrrrr, we could play this game the way it was meant to be played, and VOTR FOR WHO WE THINK IS SCUM. God I'm so sick of seeing this type of thing.

 

Oh and if you think I'm fine with leaving town's fate in the hands of Golden, you got another thing coming. Dude has already shown multiple times that he is not even close to being ready for that responsibility.

 

 

my comment on random play were to show the worst case scenario.... but thats not how i am saying we should do it.

 

we should play this game the way it was meant to be played? who says it cant be played this way?

 

i am saying we could proceed in the following manner

 

1. we go forward if everyone agrees... instead of voting we post our intent to vote a person x out or we can vote in green color.... we keep peace out of that voting

2. lets say 10 hours before the deadline the person x is the chosen scum by all to be lynched... so he is forced to place his L1 vote on peace.

3. if he disagree at this point we lynch that person like we would have to begin with (thereby fulfilling your criteria that we are supposed to vote for the scummiest person)

 

ok... fine if u dont trust golden to make that decision alone.... we give him the veto power only to be used if the final candidate was views as towny the night before.

 

and if you think theo and peace are in the same team.... then even if we chose someone other then thoe.. u would still get your win by killing peace

[GoldeneyesND]

I understand Err. What I am saying is I don't think, well let's use Despo just as an illustration... I doubt we can park 4 votes on Peace and then say "Hey Despo, prove you're not scum and you hammer Peace." Cause If I'm Despo, I'm ignoring your scenario and voting for whomever I want.

 

Also, if the bomb is a fake claim, I think it's much more likely that Peace is a GF than Dora. Your whole scenario is predicated on

#1 Peace actually being a bomb or scum 

#2 Us choosing a "scum" to hammer Peace and them agreeing to do so

 

The way things are going this game, your scenario is more likely to result in us choosing a townie to hammer Peace who turns out to be a VT who fake claimed so he could stay alive. lol