[Basic] The Walking Dead Mafia - Game Over. Theo Wins!

[GoldeneyesND]

Offering... *is good.

Correction

[BFG]

BFG, I'll try to explain why voting to save your own skin is scummy.

 

As Vanilla Townies, obviously your first priority is finding, and lynching, the mafia. But Vanilla's have a very, very important secondary duty. They exist to help protect the Town power roles. It's our job to do everything we can during the day to attract the night kill so that the Doc or Cop or any other power role isn't targeted instead. And yes, if need be, sacrifice yourself to the lynch so that someone with a power role isn't lynched instead.

 

Where everyone messes up is that they forget that the goal isn't to SURVIVE. It's to WIN. If you're Town, and die on Day one, but Town wins the game, you still win. Whether dead or alive, you share the victory or defeat with your team. And if by dying, you can help your team achieve victory, then you've played well.

 

Except Leelou said she was vanilla.  That means (assuming that they're both vanilla) Dora would be sacrificing one vanilla she's 100% sure on for a claimed vanilla she isn't 100% sure on. 

 

I agree that sacrificing yourself through taking the lynch or drawing the NK is good for a vanilla to do, but that's not the case here.

 

 

And Theo, feel free to continue Fos'ing me over my Len vote, but I was 100% consistent in my voting pattern on Day one. I voted Dap to get him active. It worked. I voted Mish to get her active. It worked. I voted Len to get him active. He didn't, and decided to make one joke post, then disappear again. His lynch is on him, not me.

Just woke (I got home way after that post last night and was just too tired)

Ishy no matter my alignment voting me doesn't make me more active, I like to post in mafia, I like to be active. If I'm not posting or not around its due to RL and not lurking. Just FYI

 

Ok leelou, case coming soon

 

But the mafia are

Leelou

Ishy

BFG

 

 

Nope, not sure on the other 2.

 

 

I'm willing tos witch to Leelou if somebody else will. 

[Babar Hasan Khan]

we need to lync!!!!! 1:30 hours left!!!! this will give golen more information before inspection

[BFG]

And I'm at work so can't stay glued to mafia.  But I'll check in before deadline to switch if necessary if & when I have time.

[BFG]

So once again, whose around?

 

Need one person to switch to Dora or 1 more to switch to Leelou.

 

@AJ - original rules said that if no consensus was reached before deadline it would move into night (with no mention of random/no coroners etc.  Has this changed?

[Andrej]

I have considered this. You all were given 96 hours, a day longer than usual, to achieve majority.

 

I will kill if you do not.

[GoldeneyesND]

I'm here, but I'm already on Leelou and I'd rather a random modkill than lynch someone I think is being railroaded by scum

[peacesells]

wow..you guys do a lot in a couple of days.  Back from Denver and just ran through the thread quickly.

 

In general...even though Theo has been pushing to lynch my..Leelou looks the worst of the two.  I wished you guys had run up Err as one of the two options.

 

VOTE LEELOU.

 

I'll check in and switch to Theo to hammer in an hour if need be..but I'd rather Lou.

[Andrej]

Vote Count 2.15

Leelou (5) - Goldeneyes, Err, Dap, Theodora, Peace

Theodora (5) - Despo, Leelou, Mish, Ishy, BFG

Not Voting:
10 alive, 6 to lynch.

Deadline: 10PM PST, Tuesday, Nov. 26 (1 hour)

[dapianoplay3r]

So the game starts with Leelou, Ishy, BFG, all saying hi and then calling leelou a ho

Not much to go on but worth noting to be thorough

 

 

 

 

Leelou, you mafia?

Nope and I have no desire to eat human flesh. You?

Vegan, thanks. So no.

First give away interaction

They both seem to know that the mafia are zombies. Can't prove anything till we lynch one but daming if it happens and they flip zombie.

 

Hmm, that's Peace. Pral is fairly low too. Spreading the votes around.

 

Pral

Used this before, I no longer think she's in tandem with peace. I don't really have an explanation for this in that case but just thought I'd point out that I don't think this anymore

 

Now for the third part of our mafia team

 

 

 

 

 

I would like to see how a very experienced player would defend himself at this stage, so:

 

I vote Ishy

 

 

Why isn't Ishy participating? RL got him, or he is looking for pants? Guilty conscience? You know him better.

 

Why are you so focused on Ishy?

 

(Also, I'm assuming you're ok with Dora?)

 

look who is first to get twitchy about ishy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vote Dap.

 

OMGUS!

How could you do this to me! Like seriously what have I done to attract your attention at all. This vote is completely miss founded and obviously just a mafia trying to get something going early.

My vote stays on Ishy till he explains himself.

English please!!!

I don't speak emoticon! D:

Because he isn't voting Ishy

Which I would like to point out is how you were supposed to get the blunt sarcasm and facetious nature of that post

 

 

 

 

 

What do you think of Leelou?

 

Only thing that stands out so far is the slightly odd vote on Pray. Not only is a bit early to start voting inactives (early to even determine who IS inactive really), it's also an odd move for her, I don't often see her push the activity angle, and she often starts off every game with a joke vote on one of her friends or something. Don't remember anything else from her other than that right now tho.

Not lately. And I'm really only lovey-dovey with a few people. My vote is currently just randomly on someone not really showing up to the game yet.

 

I don't like that Theo is all about Ishy..honey there are far sexier people playing this game. Me, you, Dap for some examples.

 

Don't see Lenlo for "obvious scum" as of yet, plus Des's reads have been off on those he's calling "obvious scum" Day 1.

 

What is with all the random show chatter? Goldeneyes is new so he's getting a bit of a pass right now. Dap is still in silly mode and hasn't really gotten into game mode yet, going to be watching him a bit.

See how fun this is

Look who appears and also has a dig at theo for the Ishy stuff...

 

 

Let's go onward

 

 

 

 

Why is there a dap train forming already?

 

Eh? I don't follow you. And why you worried about a Dap train developing? Worried about losing a teammate so soon?

 

 

 

Its ishy i was talking about and if i know im not mafia then i know we arent mafia together

make sense

 

Don't you know?

Fwiw I don't really think this was a slip. Seems more like he's just used to programmer lingo (IF, THEN).

 

Still wanna see how Dap responds once he's in sober mode however. And if he'll compete with me for WoT champion this game

bolded - you say it so well.

 

Why are you answering for Dap?

so answering for others is a scum tell in your book?

Well you and leelou do it for Ishy (more subtly though)

Then in just a little bit when I add leelou to my list with no reason (yea there was a reason I left that out)

You get super duper twitchy.

Lol

 

Unvote.

 

L-2 a little too close for me, don't want scum coming in and speedhammering if Dap actually is town. We don't need that fast of a Day 1. Also feel like Theo's vote is a bit off, and was already wary of her.

 

Looking for a reason to unvote?

 

vote Des

Now also note the vote. Des was hassling leelou and you get ansy and vote him. Leelou joins shortly after

 

 

Meh. Lazy trains FTL. Last time I cover this- I unvoted because I saw the VC and didn't like the last two votes on Dap's train (GoldenEye's, Theo), and didn't want day 1 to go too fast.

I'm vanilla, and Andrea, which is also my least favorite walking dead character so at least she'll die first. My top reads for scum are Lenlo, BFG, GoldenEye's, and Leelou.

 

Isn't that every game we play in?

She also sets about discrediting him

 

Now I'm off to bed

I'll see the VC come morning then place my vote

Des might be good for completing trains but I think he's town just cos mafia couldn't play that openly IMO

Dora Looks like a good vote too

Leelou is being evasive for no good reason so is a nice starting point

Night guys

(Sorry if it wasn't as coherent as people hoped for but I tried)

 

Also this is where I first mention leelou

And here's a VC for ref

 

 

Vote Count 1.13

Lenlo (1) - PeaceDap (3) - Ishy, Goldeneyes, TheodoraPeace (2) - Err, PralDespo (3) - Nolder, BFG, Leelou

 

Not Voting: Lenlo, Mish, Dap, DespoWith 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131122T22&p0=770&msg=Day+1+Deadline&csz=1&swk=1

@MOD

YOUR VC IS A HUGE MESS OF CODE. JUST FYI

 

So Des's unvote before any response from Dap is still odd, his backtracking on the reasoning for the unvote is also odd, although I can agree with discussion being good for Town (his second given reason). His not voting immediately for someone else seems strange as well from him. His claim at L-4 again is odd and the character claimed seems to be controversial, although I'm not sure if this makes it more likely to be a true Town claim or a fake mafia (or indeed a real claim as mafia if the mafia are people who get bitten throughout the series) claim, given her status at the end of Series 3.

 

There's also his reaction - when nobodies voting Lenlo he's perfectly happy to try and push a fast lynch, but also prods Leelou, Mish & Peace. When unvoting he says he's already suspicious of Dora, but hadn't mentioned her yet on thread (although at this stage everyone should be suspicious of everyone, so that's not necessarily strange). There's also a couple of minor AtE's, one could be genuine, referring to the Weasley game, the other (when claiming), not so much.

 

 

 

In all it seems to be a strange play, trying to apply ockams razor seems to leave either that Des is Town and made an unusually bad play, That Des is mafia and thought that unvoting from Dap given how long there was to deadline would make him 'look' better, or that both Dap & Des are mafia but that Dap is 'worth' more? So it seems that applying Ockhams razor doesn't help much.

 

 

 

There's more stuff that I haven't mentioned yet, but for the moment I'm happy with my vote, a coherent thought process will have to wait until I reread, I don't currently understand much of the past 2 pages or so.

now here BFG does a little more despo discrediting for leelou

How nice

 

And I've been completely consistent with my vote the entire time, using it to smoke out inactives. Once they became active, I removed it, so don't try to spin my unvoting.

Ishy loves to point out that he is consistent

So far he is consistently voting inactives and using it to avoid voting mafia as much as he can

[dapianoplay3r]

Ug a BFG post. Seriously the code is a mess

Ishy said it pretty well but I don’t like Lenlo disappearing (especially after complaining about lack of player activity earlier in the thread). Although I still think there are things in Des’s play that I don’t like (chiefly the initial reason for his unvote and early claim) I don’t think Lenlo’s vote looks good.

 

Unvote vote Lenlo

Ishy said it well

So now we have BFG agreeing with leelou and Ishy

I'm pretty sure she has been following leelou and Ishy vote wise all game

 

unvote, vote Peace

 

I wouldn't say Dap is necessarily cleared, but if you are looking at the way people maneuvered, wouldn't one of them be a better vote candidate than Dap himself?

 

I bet you wish you had offed me when you could

 

unvote, vote Lenlo

Leelou is Town.

Then good old Ishy posts this

 

Peace claims

So unless someone else checks in we only have the numbers to secure a vote on Peace.

 

But AJ said that there would be no consequence for not securing a lynch, although not to make a habit of it.

 

Seriously tho, where is everyone?

BFG makes sure to push people to try off the PR

Leelou plays it safe with Len

 

And Len was asked to claim. He refused. This lynch is entirely on him, he had multiple hours to make a case.

This post bugs me. I tried to find examples but I can't but I'm sure as mafia Ishy said something similar before

 

I post my first list with no reason

Leelou gets mad she is top instantly (I never order then without numbers but w/e)

 

I really hate your posts BFG. Look at them in code form sometime please

Will admit I was surprised at Leelous postcount as I don’t remember much from her play. She hasn’t offered many opinions and seems to be playing a quiet game.

 

So at the moment I'm wary of Leelou

So after me calling out leelou suddenly BFG gets wary as well

 

Still people that I'm looking at (will have to wait till tomorrow now).

 

But...

 

 

 

Leelou is Town.

 

How come?

Then he distances from Ishy

 

 

 

 

 

Any reason why I'm the top of your scum list?

 

Those weren't in order. You three are just my team pick ATM :)

???

And it's only after leelou responds (BFG has posted several times since I posted the list) that BFG suddenly starts asking for reasons

Lol

Too easy

 

 

I will do my reread when I get to work this morning. A couple quick things on current events though.

1. Peace - what kind of bomb are you?

2. I don't think testing if Peace is a bomb or not is a good idea today. I'd like at least one dead scum before testing that.

3. Theo - how was Nolder the obvious NK candidate?

4. SK isn't necessarily ruled out because of only one kill, they could have either gone for the same person as the mafia or hit the doc or holstered. Personally I'm not sure of an sk or a bomb because it's a basic set up and there were already lovers and what appears to be a cop.

2. Peace - Claims T-Bone Bomb - not sure about this claim. It's a convenient claim to make as scum, but not something I'm willing to test until we lynch a scum.

3. Despo - Claims Andrea Vanilla, posts feel town

5. BFG - getting a general townie feel from her posts. Actively scum hunting.

6. Mish - her posts are giving me a general townie vibe, but she has been good at hiding as scum. Slightly weary

7. Theodora - Claims Shane Vanilla - her posts feel off, not very townie. Willing to vote here

9. Dap - cop cleared by Goldy

10. Goldeneyes - Claims cop

11. Leelou - very bad, bad townie. Sorry. I'll try to remedy this.

12. Err - His first online game, but a lot of his reasoning and directing town is giving a scum vibe. Willing to vote here

13. Ishy - I'm going to be hypocritical, but I know I'm town. Ishy seems to not really be engaged in the game. Neutral to scum

 

I'm willing to vote Ishy, Theo and Err after going through everything. Theo and Err are giving the strongest pings.

 

Vote Theo

So leelou gets ansy about the bomb

Can't NK him if he might kill you now can you lol

Incidentally

BFG things Ishy is town and leelou mafia

leelou thinks Ishy is mafia and BFG town

Ishy thinks leelou is town and BFG is null

 

Lovely triangle!

 

We could also really use some of the others offering opinions/explaining opinions.

 

From the top of my head

 

Err & Dora have only posted recently to defend themselves.

Ishy hasn't offered opinions at all except his vote on Lenlo and Golden.

Dap hasn't explained his reads...

 

Deadlines just over 24 hours.

Once again BFG is still ansy about my reads. You would think Ishy would warn him on the QT

 

 

 

I chose not to explain my reads purposefully

You aren't my mafia pick, why does it bother you so much?

 

I'd say interested not bothered. Your reads had been different to other people and I wondered (and am wondering) what I've missed.

see now this is what I wanted.

You can't handle not knowing the reason. A town would be ok not knowing things, they are used to being out of the loop. But mafia know so therefore not knowing scares them. You are worried that being ok with leelou and then me revealing some obvious scum tell will undermine you, her, and your credibility.

Guess what. It's was your downfall

 

 

 

 

Are you trying to divert attention away from Dora, BFG? Some of your points are made up and the others are null. Seems forced.

 

Nope, why are you so eager that we all focus on one person? None of my points are made up, they may be badly explained and null is a matter of opinion.

Just seemed like a very convenient time... I'd posted a case on Dora and you immediatly post one on me, makes it look like you're trying to discredit my case.

Nope, just when I was able/ready to post. Unfortunately it takes me longer than 20 minutes to even write a mid-length post, let alone the iso & thinking that comes before it.

Silly BFG

 

 

Vote Count 2.13

Leelou (4) - Goldeneyes, Err, Dap, Theodora

Err (1) - Peace

Theodora (4) - Despo, Leelou, Mish, Ishy

Mish (1) - BFG

 

Not Voting:

10 alive, 6 to lynch.Deadline: 10PM PST, Tuesday, Nov. 26 (12 hours)

Look who is still trying to avoid voting leelou until absolutely necessary

You could just go back and look for yourself. But you haven't done that

The level of interest verses the level of actual looking for it yourself is very outweighed

[dapianoplay3r]

 

 

 

If it comes down to it, I'd much rather lynch scum, but I'd be ok with being today's lynch if it helps clear up who everyone is thinking is scum.

 

Look who becomes all self sacrificing

 

 

 

And Theo, feel free to continue Fos'ing me over my Len vote, but I was 100% consistent in my voting pattern on Day one. I voted Dap to get him active. It worked. I voted Mish to get her active. It worked. I voted Len to get him active. He didn't, and decided to make one joke post, then disappear again. His lynch is on him, not me.

 

I voted you to get you active, but then you started voting and Fos-sing townies.

 

I will check later if I can.

 

Guys, I'll need some help, please - if the Mafia game is based on a real series like this one. Does our alignment has something to do with our character's faith? I was a bit intrigued by what AJ said - look at the name of the day "...Fear the living". And I know what happens to Andrea (Despo's claimed char), not to spoil anyone's pleasure of the series but she well...you know.

 

Ok, this is all a bit jumbled, it's late.

 

These two posts from Dora stand out. Changing her story about why she voted Ishy and prodding Andrea as she dies when Shane does as well (according to wiki) is 'odd'.

 

There are others as Mish/Des have pointed out, but these two are solely based on actions and not words or semantics.

 

 

I was wary of Leelou at the beginning of Day 2 as despite the postcount she seemed to be slipping under the radar.

 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3094087

(I don't really agree that voting to save your own skin is a mafia tell. A normal townie can only be sure of their own alignment, why wouldn't they vote to save it?)

 

 

 

At the moment I'm not comfortable with eithers posts but I also disagree with fundamental parts of the initial cases against both of them. Specifically I'm uncomfortable with Goldens vote count analysis. From the other two games I've played in Mafia don't tend to be that organized (of course they lost both of those so, shrugs, (yes the werewolves won)).

 

On Dora I don't like Des's suggestion of lynching Dora to test Peace as I don't see how it does that. His idea/assumption of a serial killer seemed to come out of nowhere (yes there's no evidence against, but there's no evidence for). However the case that's built after isn't based on this.

 

unvote vote Dora

 

I believe that puts Dora at L-1.

 

Would also like to hear Daps thoughts before voting but ah well.

 

And I'm off to bed, I'll try and get up before deadline to see what's going on and change vote if necessary, but can't promise.

Hehe finally had to commit without me to guide you

Lo and behold it wasn't for leelou

 

 

BFG, I'll try to explain why voting to save your own skin is scummy.

As Vanilla Townies, obviously your first priority is finding, and lynching, the mafia. But Vanilla's have a very, very important secondary duty. They exist to help protect the Town power roles. It's our job to do everything we can during the day to attract the night kill so that the Doc or Cop or any other power role isn't targeted instead. And yes, if need be, sacrifice yourself to the lynch so that someone with a power role isn't lynched instead.

Where everyone messes up is that they forget that the goal isn't to SURVIVE. It's to WIN. If you're Town, and die on Day one, but Town wins the game, you still win. Whether dead or alive, you share the victory or defeat with your team. And if by dying, you can help your team achieve victory, then you've played well.

 

Except Leelou said she was vanilla. That means (assuming that they're both vanilla) Dora would be sacrificing one vanilla she's 100% sure on for a claimed vanilla she isn't 100% sure on.

 

I agree that sacrificing yourself through taking the lynch or drawing the NK is good for a vanilla to do, but that's not the case here.

this is the second or third time Ishy has very public ally explained something to BFG. Subtly pushing the newbieness

 

And Theo, feel free to continue Fos'ing me over my Len vote, but I was 100% consistent in my voting pattern on Day one. I voted Dap to get him active. It worked. I voted Mish to get her active. It worked. I voted Len to get him active. He didn't, and decided to make one joke post, then disappear again. His lynch is on him, not me.

 

Just woke (I got home way after that post last night and was just too tired)

Ishy no matter my alignment voting me doesn't make me more active, I like to post in mafia, I like to be active. If I'm not posting or not around its due to RL and not lurking. Just FYI

Ok leelou, case coming soon

But the mafia are

Leelou

Ishy

BFG

Nope, not sure on the other 2.

 

 

I'm willing tos witch to Leelou if somebody else will.

Lol you just can't handle this not knowing can you

 

So in summary.

Leelou is mafia

BFG is scared mafia

Ishy is the better mafia but caught as well

 

 

Do the right thing guys. Vote leelou for mafia

[Andrej]

@ Dap - Use a computer bro

[dapianoplay3r]

@ Dap - Use a computer bro

Even when I do I tend to use code

But seriously is it too hard to just code everything once rather than doing your font every single line then redoing it on the next line

I mean come on

[dapianoplay3r]

Also my computer is dying

However your most recent VC is much better

[GoldeneyesND]

Am I allowed to ask for opinions on who I should investigate tonight should I survive the evening? I dunno if there is some weird rule about that.

[dapianoplay3r]

You are but never let anyone decide for you

Mafia have as much say as town in you askng on thread so your choice could be led to a GF or away from mafia

 

Always listen to advice but chose your own NA. Just make sure you can explain your choice

[BFG]

unvote, vote Leelou

[GoldeneyesND]

Oh of course Dap. I would be interested in your top 2 choices though, since I know you're good.

[GoldeneyesND]

quick before the hammer drops!

[dapianoplay3r]

unvote, vote Leelou

Lol

 

Golden: err or whoever else was on that list all voting me early on. Not all of them will be town

[GoldeneyesND]

Thanks Dap, I'll make that part of my decision-making process

[Andrej]

Final Count 2

Leelou (6) - Goldeneyes, Err, Dap, Theodora, Peace, BFG

Theodora (4) - Despo, Leelou, Mish, Ishy

Not Voting:
10 alive, 6 to lynch.

Scene incoming.

[Andrej]

Could she be trusted?

 

In a world where the dead walked, humans were to be feared just as much.

 

They all saw her there, outside the fence, battling for her life against the oncoming horde of undead.

 

She slashed and hacked with her sword, severing heads from decaying corpses.

 

And still they hesitated.

 

Back to a wall she fought on; her limbs burning with fatigue, and still they came. An endless mass of nightmares come back to feast on the flesh of the living.

 

They all watched her die, torn apart from the inside out.

 

Could she be trusted?

 

It was too late.

 

 

Leelou - Michonne: Vanilla Town has been lynched.

 

It is now Night 2. I will extend this Night an extra 24 hours with Thanksgiving in a few days. You have until 10PM PST, Thursday, November 28 to have your Night Actions in.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

i am going to pull my hair out