[Basic] The Walking Dead Mafia - Game Over. Theo Wins!

[Leelou]

 

 

I am going after either Mish or Leelou.... probably more after Leelou

 

Leelou and Mish have been coming to the same conclusions both voting for Lenlo at the end of day one, now again together against Theo.... and the votes have been too close to each other too.... e.g right now votes against theo zero votes apart... votes against lenlo one vote appart....

 

and even tough i was also going after Golden at the beginning of day 2... but leenlou you voted for golden with out giving a reason... i ranted for a long time and gave my reason before voting for him.... but i rechecked the posts up till your vote there was no idea that u mistrusted golden.... and your post #434 is 2 words just a vote no reason or even a followup....

 

so

 

vote Leelou

 

I'm not even really sure how to respond to this. 

 

The vote for Lenlo at the end of day one was to secure a lynch and he wasn't acting in town's interest when he was posting. Had he actually defended or claimed the day would have played out differently. 

 

I don't always vote with a reason. I saw that Goldy looked like he was being coached on his first game and he needed pressure. 

 

That's it? 

 

well i can now believe the reasoning that you are presenting for voting against Lenlo and Golden..... but thats the thing.... you never have have mentioned either of the reasonings before, this is the first time i am hearing this from you..... neither of them are original

to me it seems like you are justifying your votes now by aligning with what other people have said

 

this makes you a dangerous scum... cause you are not giving away any ur thinking pattern.... and if u are a towny.... this still doesnt help 

 

 

I answered about Lenlo when asked. 

 

@peace/leelou - why are you now voting Lenlo? 

 

Peace claimed a what I would consider a town character and that he has a role. Lenlo hasn't really seemed to take the game seriously. 

 

I'm going back to bed, I'm sick. 

 

I even answered about Goldy: 

unvote

 

 

 

Umm, I wouldn't exactly say I am coasting. I might not be as engaged in this game, as I should be but I am aware of what is going on in the game. I'll give reads on all living players in the morning, but here's a post count for ya. 

 

Err 44 Leelou 42 Ishmael Forsaken 41 dapianoplay3r 37 BFG 32 GoldeneyesND 32 peacesells 30 Despothera 29 Misheru Sedai 24 Theodora 19

 

 

I actually did a double take when i saw your post count. Then I went back and saw your "posts." The average length of which was a sentence or a short phrase.

 

Vote Leelou

 

I actually wasn't going to claim, because I read a couple of articles that say it's dumb, but I'm too annoyed at how easy a target I've become for scum, so I'll claim.

 

I'm Carl, the John Connor of the zombie apolcalypse.

 

Oh and I'm the Cop too, Dap is town. Enjoy your day. If there's a doctor in town, I'd appreciate your help not getting NK'd.

 

 

I hate to tell you, but don't expect overly long posts from me. I'm not very wordy. 

 

Whelp. At first I thought the claim was hogwash, but him viewing Dap as town could explain the backtracking. Not sure what could explain that he def seems to be being coached this game, or that he was prematurely linking people, but without a CC he's def not getting lynched today.

 

Vote Theo. I was also wondering about which character she apparently has that I named. If it's the Governor or Merle or Caesar, aint no way I'll believe she's town. If it's Shane.... eh we'll see. I just have had a bad feeling about her for a while this game, she had some early fluff posts that seemed to overplay that she was looking for scum, the overexplanation about her intuition, and trying to push the angle that zombies=mafia while ALSO apparently having a character of questionable alignment, all doesn't make her look very good

 

Could also vote Leelou too however, I already suspected her somewhat, and I think it was this game that she announced she was getting serious, which seemed strange for her (to announce it I mean). And I don't remember her fos'ing Golden yesterday, her bandwagon vote without explanation looks bad if she never did.

 

I def need to do a reread however, I might get a chance tonight or tomorrow.

 

I was being unnecessarily spammy in all games and not really focusing on anything. Just was trying to say that I was reigning it in. I don't always FoS everything I see. I didn't put a reason but it's because he seemed like he was heavily being coached for his first game ever. 

 

But wouldn't that be a mass claim?

 

No, mass claim would be if we all said our role/character right now to try to win the game that way. I really could vote for you right now. Your play has been odd and I can pull up specific quotes as to what when I wake up a bit more. 

 

I mean I know I haven't posted a lot, but were you just looking at my posts where I was voting? 

 

So Goldy is voting me for short posts & thinking I'm coasting and you are voting me for voting but not actually taking all of my voting record into account. Honestly my Pral vote is probably considered the worst since I picked an inactive day 1. People are saying my reasoning is conflicted, but really it isn't. I voted Pral out of the inactives to try to get him into the game, hence get the game moving. I didn't like that Pral was concerned with trains on day 1 since that's how the game gets moving. I'm including some from Des's WoT with his concerns:

 

Okay, finished my reread. Almost lost all my quotes right at the end there when DM went down for a sec, but thank God for the backspace button I was able to recover em.

 

Guess I'll be nice and spoiler this WoT.

 

Why is there  a dap train forming already?

 

Why are you so worried about trains forming? It's how we gain info. Plus the game started on the 18th, it almost seems like a long time for a train to start forming. 

 

 

 

 

Only thing that stands out so far is the slightly odd vote on Pray. Not only is a bit early to start voting inactives (early to even determine who IS inactive really), it's also an odd move for her, I don't often see her push the activity angle, and she often starts off every game with a joke   vote on one of her friends or something. Don't remember anything else from her other than that right now tho.

 

1. Not lately. And I'm really only lovey-dovey with a few people. My vote is currently just randomly on someone not really showing up to the game yet. 

 

1. Right, but why are you so concerned with those not quite immersing themselves in the game yet when people we're still checking in? You know I have no love for inactives either, but isn't it a tad early to make the determination of who is inactive yet?

 

1. I just want the game to start moving and not stall out. 

 

I thought this was a nice catch in my reread. Total contradiction in actions/words here with Leelou. First she asks why Pray is concerned about trains forming, and says Dap's train hadn't formed that fast. So apparently she is pro-trainbuilding.

 

And yet, during this escapade, she has her vote on Pray, cause he was one of the lowest voters. I forgot to grab the vote quote, but she even says she wants to spread the votes around. At the time she voted, Dap had 2 votes and everyone else had 1, and she voted another outlier instead of adding to one of the other trains.

 

She also says she wants the game to start moving and not stall out... but if you vote for outliers, there's a good chance the game actually WILL stall out, since with all the votes spread out there's not any real pressure on anyone.

 

Big FOS for this @Leelou. 

 

I really can't defend against you because you haven't actually shown anything where I'm scummy. It's always in town's best interest to secure a lynch so you can analyze trains. 

[michellem]

 

You wanna give some comments on the actual game going on when you're here, Ishy?

 

You-Town, or, at least, you haven't given off your clear scum-tell.

 

 

 

I have a clear scumtell? :D What is it? lol

 

Mish- Tunneled hard for me and others say she's uncharacteristically aggressive this game

 

I can't remember anyone calling me uncharacteristaclly aggressive this game, do remind me please. This is how I play, and if you think I'm aggresive, I'd love to see how you think of Ithi or Red, lol.

 

Btw, English is my second language too. Does that excuse things I do that might seem scummy?

 

Mish, wow, so many efforts dedicated to point out to everyone I am scum. It worked for getting rid of Len, though. It seems that it is working for getting rid of me.

 

That's all you gotta say? You think I've made up or manipulated your quotes to show your double standards? And I do put in an effort when I think I've found mafia; it's kinda what I'm here to do, it's what the game is about.

 

All I did was point out logical fallacies in your play, wich more often than not are scumtells. I drew my own conclusions, but you made the posts. I haven't done anything with your words; they are all yours. If you think I've misrepresented anything, do feel free to say so.

 

Let me ask you some questions, since you seem to ignore those I asked you in my case.

 

1. Do you think Len played a pro-town game?

2. Why did you think Dap was mafia early D1?

3. What made you change your mind?

4. Why are you finding Peace scummy?

5. Why did you chastise BFG for "diversion", but not the others in that conversation?

6. And why was it OK for you and Nolder to talk about something unrelated, but not BFG?

 

I have a feeling it was more, but that'll do for now.

[dapianoplay3r]

unvote vote keelou

More when i get home and off my phone. But for now lets even the trains a bit

[Theodora]

 

 

You wanna give some comments on the actual game going on when you're here, Ishy?

 

You-Town, or, at least, you haven't given off your clear scum-tell.

 

 

 

I have a clear scumtell? :D What is it? lol

 

Mish- Tunneled hard for me and others say she's uncharacteristically aggressive this game

 

I can't remember anyone calling me uncharacteristaclly aggressive this game, do remind me please. This is how I play, and if you think I'm aggresive, I'd love to see how you think of Ithi or Red, lol.

 

Btw, English is my second language too. Does that excuse things I do that might seem scummy?

 

Mish, wow, so many efforts dedicated to point out to everyone I am scum. It worked for getting rid of Len, though. It seems that it is working for getting rid of me.

 

That's all you gotta say? You think I've made up or manipulated your quotes to show your double standards? And I do put in an effort when I think I've found mafia; it's kinda what I'm here to do, it's what the game is about.

 

All I did was point out logical fallacies in your play, wich more often than not are scumtells. I drew my own conclusions, but you made the posts. I haven't done anything with your words; they are all yours. If you think I've misrepresented anything, do feel free to say so.

 

Let me ask you some questions, since you seem to ignore those I asked you in my case.

 

1. Do you think Len played a pro-town game?

2. Why did you think Dap was mafia early D1?

3. What made you change your mind?

4. Why are you finding Peace scummy?

5. Why did you chastise BFG for "diversion", but not the others in that conversation?

6. And why was it OK for you and Nolder to talk about something unrelated, but not BFG?

 

I have a feeling it was more, but that'll do for now.

 

Whatever I say, Mish, it would be considered "she is only defending herself, blah, blah".I didn't have neither the time, nor the  wish to be FOS-ed by you now for defending.

1. In the begining of the game you played as much as a pro-town role as Len did - I know we all have RL, I respect your reasons for being absent, but Len could have the same, I don't know him. You both were not actively present. When you appeared you had the same long accusing post about Len, and look what happened. There were people with clearer read that day than the inactives.

 

2. and 5. I got confused who started the diversion, so considering I could not have a 100% strong read day 1, I did not like the diversion move and voted Dap (the one who created the diversion)

 

3. Dap's train was derailed by someone I consider townie + there was Peace who seemed scummier at the moment and wasn't giving any opinion,help, except appearing tosumup andconfuse the mafia games (see next question)

 

4. You quoted my reasons - I am re-re quoting them:

"So, let's see Peace - honestly, I cannot figure out some of your posts, like you are playing too many games at once, which annoys me. These are good enough reasons for me not to be in a game. Also, first he is inactive, then post some random quotes and when pressured to take position, he is suggesting Despo's scumm."

Then he goeswith the bomb claim. My logic is - go after the scummiest person.

 

6. What do you mean? Nol only answered questions related to the Mafia game. Besides, he delivered quite pro-town posts - seemed scum-hunting.

 

You have already taken your decision, you are tunneling me, voting me and scrumbling my posts. (It might be non-intentional, I hope). The pattern of voting though seems a bit too obvious.

[Leelou]

unvote vote keelou

More when i get home and off my phone. But for now lets even the trains a bit

*is waiting*

 

Deadline is in approximately 14 hours.

[Leelou]

Add a couple hours to that, forgot west coast time.

[Andrej]

Vote Count 2.12

Peace (1) - Theodora

Leelou (3) - Goldeneyes, Err, Dap

Err (1) - Peace

Theodora (3) - Despo, Leelou, Mish

Mish (1) - BFG

Not Voting: Ishy
10 alive, 6 to lynch.

Deadline: 10PM PST, Tuesday, Nov. 26 (14 hours)

[michellem]

 

 

Mish, wow, so many efforts dedicated to point out to everyone I am scum. It worked for getting rid of Len, though. It seems that it is working for getting rid of me.

 

That's all you gotta say? You think I've made up or manipulated your quotes to show your double standards? And I do put in an effort when I think I've found mafia; it's kinda what I'm here to do, it's what the game is about.

 

All I did was point out logical fallacies in your play, wich more often than not are scumtells. I drew my own conclusions, but you made the posts. I haven't done anything with your words; they are all yours. If you think I've misrepresented anything, do feel free to say so.

 

Let me ask you some questions, since you seem to ignore those I asked you in my case.

 

1. Do you think Len played a pro-town game?

2. Why did you think Dap was mafia early D1?

3. What made you change your mind?

4. Why are you finding Peace scummy?

5. Why did you chastise BFG for "diversion", but not the others in that conversation?

6. And why was it OK for you and Nolder to talk about something unrelated, but not BFG?

 

I have a feeling it was more, but that'll do for now.

 

Whatever I say, Mish, it would be considered "she is only defending herself, blah, blah".I didn't have neither the time, nor the  wish to be FOS-ed by you now for defending.

1. In the begining of the game you played as much as a pro-town role as Len did - I know we all have RL, I respect your reasons for being absent, but Len could have the same, I don't know him. You both were not actively present. When you appeared you had the same long accusing post about Len, and look what happened. There were people with clearer read that day than the inactives.

 

2. and 5. I got confused who started the diversion, so considering I could not have a 100% strong read day 1, I did not like the diversion move and voted Dap (the one who created the diversion)

 

3. Dap's train was derailed by someone I consider townie + there was Peace who seemed scummier at the moment and wasn't giving any opinion,help, except appearing tosumup andconfuse the mafia games (see next question)

 

4. You quoted my reasons - I am re-re quoting them:

"So, let's see Peace - honestly, I cannot figure out some of your posts, like you are playing too many games at once, which annoys me. These are good enough reasons for me not to be in a game. Also, first he is inactive, then post some random quotes and when pressured to take position, he is suggesting Despo's scumm."

Then he goeswith the bomb claim. My logic is - go after the scummiest person.

 

6. What do you mean? Nol only answered questions related to the Mafia game. Besides, he delivered quite pro-town posts - seemed scum-hunting.

 

You have already taken your decision, you are tunneling me, voting me and scrumbling my posts. (It might be non-intentional, I hope). The pattern of voting though seems a bit too obvious.

 

 

I didn't vote Len because he was inactive. YOU say I vote Len because he was inactive; go back and look at my reasons. And I'm asking if YOU think he played a pro-town game, even when he refused to do anything but be a smart-ass after getting two votes the day of deadline. Also, I didn't have one long accusing post about Len; I had a post where I posted my reads and thoughts about all the players, including Len. Wich is a pro-town move to do. Mafia usually don't want to give reads, they don't want to be pinned down on something later, they wanna keep their possibilites open to turn on any player any time. Now, I wasn't the only player on Len's lynch; I'm only one vote. And I refused to place my vote on players I didn't have the slightest scum read on at the moment (Dap, Des). I would much rather place my vote on a player that seemed like they only tried to skate by without having to commit or contribute.

Again, one of your reasons to vote Peace, was because he was inactive. And yet you call me scummy for voting Len over inactivty (not that I did, do feel free to go back and look at my reasoning, but you keep insisting that I did), when you voted Peace for the same reason. It's called double standards.

 

Nolder started talking about a zombie MMO game, and you answered him on it. But you didn't bother calling him out for off-topic talk. It's on page 2 or 3. That's why I asked; why is it ok for you (and Nolder) to talk about things not relating to the game and the theme, but you call out others for doing it?

 

I have no idea what you mean by scrumbling your posts. I have listed them as you have written them, I have not edited them in any way (except to remove uneccessary quotes, to make it easier to read). Every single word in those quotes you have written.

[Leelou]

Theo seems to be flailing a bit.

[Leelou]

Okay this day is really starting to drag out. I know typically people claim at L-2 but day ends today and I'm not sure if I'm going to be around later to defend if necessary. I'm Michonne, vanilla town. You can take that as you want and if you do end up lynching me please look to Theo and Err.

[John E. Kelley]

Seems clear-cut to me. I won't be voting for Leelou, and have already made my thoughts on Theo known.

 

Vote Theo-Shane.

[michellem]

12 and a half hours until deadline if my math is correct, Leelou is at L-3 and Dora at L-2.

[Leelou]

Yeah, looks right. I know I'm around right now, but I can't wait all day for player's case.

[Leelou]

Also - please note theo's vote is being wasted right now on peace. He's not getting lynched today.

[John E. Kelley]

And Theo, feel free to continue Fos'ing me over my Len vote, but I was 100% consistent in my voting pattern on Day one. I voted Dap to get him active. It worked. I voted Mish to get her active. It worked. I voted Len to get him active. He didn't, and decided to make one joke post, then disappear again. His lynch is on him, not me.

[Theodora]

Whatever I say, it would look like flailing, like I said.

Whatever I say, Mish, it would be considered "she is only defending herself, blah, blah".I didn't have neither the time, nor the  wish to be FOS-ed by you now for defending.

 

 

Ishy, voted just like I said. The pattern just prooves who is who. And Leelou, why Michonne - for the people who don't watch the series - she appears in the second season for an episode or two, then in the third season, wouldn't call her one of the constant survivors team-members. Somehow I don't believe you. This is an ideal character for a fake claim. Since, Peace is getting away again, then let's move Leelou:

 

Unvote

 

Vote Leelou

 

I cannot be here for the lynch as it would be night-time for me. If I am gone, you would already know what I have been trying to claim for a while - look at Len and my trains. Scum: Peace, Ishy, Leelou, possibly Mish as we don't know how large team mafia is.

[Theodora]

And Theo, feel free to continue Fos'ing me over my Len vote, but I was 100% consistent in my voting pattern on Day one. I voted Dap to get him active. It worked. I voted Mish to get her active. It worked. I voted Len to get him active. He didn't, and decided to make one joke post, then disappear again. His lynch is on him, not me.

 

I voted you to get you active, but then you started voting and Fos-sing townies.

 

I will check later if I can.

[Andrej]

Vote Count 2.13

Leelou (4) - Goldeneyes, Err, Dap, Theodora

Err (1) - Peace

Theodora (4) - Despo, Leelou, Mish, Ishy

Mish (1) - BFG

Not Voting:
10 alive, 6 to lynch.

Deadline: 10PM PST, Tuesday, Nov. 26 (12 hours)

[Leelou]

Whatever I say, it would look like flailing, like I said.

Whatever I say, Mish, it would be considered "she is only defending herself, blah, blah".I didn't have neither the time, nor the  wish to be FOS-ed by you now for defending.

 

 

Ishy, voted just like I said. The pattern just prooves who is who. And Leelou, why Michonne - for the people who don't watch the series - she appears in the second season for an episode or two, then in the third season, wouldn't call her one of the constant survivors team-members. Somehow I don't believe you. This is an ideal character for a fake claim. Since, Peace is getting away again, then let's move Leelou:

 

Unvote

 

Vote Leelou

 

I cannot be here for the lynch as it would be night-time for me. If I am gone, you would already know what I have been trying to claim for a while - look at Len and my trains. Scum: Peace, Ishy, Leelou, possibly Mish as we don't know how large team mafia is.

 

I've actually only watched up through the first half of season 2, so I don't even know who my character is. I googled her just to have some idea. Also, not really a big shock you are voting me. It's called saving your skin. 

[michellem]

 

And Theo, feel free to continue Fos'ing me over my Len vote, but I was 100% consistent in my voting pattern on Day one. I voted Dap to get him active. It worked. I voted Mish to get her active. It worked. I voted Len to get him active. He didn't, and decided to make one joke post, then disappear again. His lynch is on him, not me.

 

I voted you to get you active, but then you started voting and Fos-sing townies.

 

I will check later if I can.

 

 

Townies vote and FoS townies all the time. The game would be over D1 if that never happened.

 

 

Also, you are again ignoring the points brought against you.

 

Of coruse you are defending yourself now. I'm pressuring you. This, btw, is what pressure is. Not one vote.

[John E. Kelley]

 

And Theo, feel free to continue Fos'ing me over my Len vote, but I was 100% consistent in my voting pattern on Day one. I voted Dap to get him active. It worked. I voted Mish to get her active. It worked. I voted Len to get him active. He didn't, and decided to make one joke post, then disappear again. His lynch is on him, not me.

 

 

I voted you to get you active, but then you started voting and Fos-sing townies.

 

I will check later if I can.

I was more active on Day one than anyone else, go check the post counts from then.

 

And nice revisionist spin. You said when you voted me that you wanted to see how I would defend, not that you wanted to get me active. Flailing indeed.

[Leelou]

So Mish, since you are around - top 3 for scum? 

[Leelou]

 

 

And Theo, feel free to continue Fos'ing me over my Len vote, but I was 100% consistent in my voting pattern on Day one. I voted Dap to get him active. It worked. I voted Mish to get her active. It worked. I voted Len to get him active. He didn't, and decided to make one joke post, then disappear again. His lynch is on him, not me.

 

I voted you to get you active, but then you started voting and Fos-sing townies.

 

I will check later if I can.

I was more active on Day one than anyone else, go check the post counts from then.

 

And nice revisionist spin. You said when you voted me that you wanted to see how I would defend, not that you wanted to get me active. Flailing indeed.

 

 

Flailing, voting to save her own skin - seems pretty scummy. 

[GoldeneyesND]

Just a reminder FWIW, Peace is flying to Denver today. http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?p=3092903

Since he may not be back before the deadline and we have 2 trains of 4 with 2 stragglers it's unlikely we get a lynch unless someone changes trains, or everyone looks at someone else. I believe AJ is modkilling if we don't reach a consensus.

[John E. Kelley]

Just a reminder FWIW, Peace is flying to Denver today. http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?p=3092903

Since he may not be back before the deadline and we have 2 trains of 4 with 2 stragglers it's unlikely we get a lynch unless someone changes trains, or everyone looks at someone else. I believe AJ is modkilling if we don't reach a consensus.

We'll get one, still have 10+ hours.