[Basic] Weasley vs Malfoy at the Ministry - Game over - Weasleys win

[Niniel]

Verbal. 

 

He starts with wondering about the GF votes and says that Des play is his town play. He says that Dice comment about not wanting to get PR claims on Day 1 is weird. 

 

Then he agrees with Des about questioning if Csarmi had done a coding fail or not. He FOS Csarmi but says that it´s nothing to vote him for. I must say that I don´t understand the talk about Csarmi´s coding fail/not coding fail at all. It tells us nothing about his alignment and we can vote however we want in this game. 

 

 

There was a lot of game play but what he focus on next is this: 

 

 

 

I think we should policy lynch everyone that doesn´t play exactly like I want them too.

Unless Des is using this game to change his mafia meta I don´t think he is mafia.

 

I agree with Tina about the policy lynching. It should be ok for people to play the way they can or want to, provided that they are posting enough and are actually interested in playing the game.
 

 

So you want to policy lynch players that are inactive?  Sounds like a conversation that has been had around these parts for many years.  A few people get behind the idea every time, and then it goes nowhere.

 

 

Cloud is agreeing with me about no policy lynch if people just play. This is just a detail, nothing game related but this is what Verbal choose to focus on. He makes it into a topic about lynching inactives which is not a topic before he comments on it.

 

Then he defends himself to BFG that thought that Verbal did wrong by cutting Des quote. 

 

 

Despo, I don't know WTF is wrong with you, but ever since you joined this bloody game, you're calling me obvious scum in almost every single one of your post.

It's getting to the levels of becoming intolerable.

I don't care if you're town. I don't care if you're scum. IDGAF at this point. Find yourself someone else to play with.

I'd ask for a replacement if such was possible in this game.

This game is becoming absolutely no fun for me. I play maffia to have fun and have a nice game. This is not a nice game.

 

Dude......take it from the guy who has probably given Des more of a hard time than any 2 people on this site combined when it comes to his attitude in games and his aggressiveness. (Des can back me up on that one, I'm sure)...............you're being silly.

 

He can call you obvious scum all he wants.  He's really not the only one, btw.  Did you bold a vote prior to the one you didn't, and now are conveniently stating you'll remain this way for the game?  Doesn't that sound a little weird to you?  I think you're potential scum as well - I'm just not being as obvious as Des is.

 

Also, I'm pretty sure I remember you coaching folks in the past to have a thick skin for mafia.  Where's yours?

 

 

Here he is back to talking about the vote being bold or not. He says Csarmi is potential scum. 

 

 

 

So you want to policy lynch players that are inactive? Sounds like a conversation that has been had around these parts for many years. A few people get behind the idea every time, and then it goes nowhere.

No, I think that replacing or mod killing inactive players is the job of the mod. The people who are playing the game shouldn’t have anything to do with deciding about it.
 

 

It is a team effort to cleanse the game of inactive players.  If normally active players are inactive, whatever.  It happens.  They get a pass and everybody continues about their business.  It is the habitually inactive people that hurt the game.  Those people need to be dealt with by both mod and players; otherwise, nothing will be effective.

 

Ok, I'm done talking about this topic as it isn't relevant to the game.

 

 

On the topic of reveals, I'm undecided about whether I believe Salami.

 

 

Cloud answered Verbal´s question and then he comments on that as well. Then he says that he is done talking about it like it was Cloud that has made it into a topic when it was himself. 

 

 

In fact:

Vote Peace.

Leelou looks scum too based on her responses. They are both clever players. Only one reason I can see for them dismissing the claim agenda * they're maffia.

 

I don't think the claim idea will work.  I guess I'm scum with Peace & Leelou.  Look how easy this game became!

 

Vote: Salami

 

 

Now he vote Csarmi but he doesn´t tell why. Is it because of the claim idea?

 

FTR, I think it is likely one of the Lovers is scum, which I believe was AVM's thought process.  I concur.

 

In the next post he gives his reason. I think that this is his reason for voting Csarmi anyway. Was it?

 

 

I definitely get a scummy vibe from Verbal´s posts. What´s weird is that he mainly comment on two things that I don´t think is very important:

 

1. Coding fail/not coding fail

2. Lynching inactives/ not lynching inactives

 

He is really staying outside the main discussion but he doesn´t offer anything else either. His only read so far is that Des is town. 

[Niniel]

Dice - went quick to read his posts as well. 

 

He didn´t like Des talking in absolutes that early in the game. He didn´t like that Cloud liked BFG´s post but thought it was scummy that she didn´t vote. He wanted us to be careful so that we don´t out PRs on day one. (Has happend in two previous games.) Voted GF to pressure him into talking. After the lynch he said he would have voted for Csarmi.

 

That´s it. Not much to judge from. I modded the BT game where cop and doc where outed right from the start so I know what he is talking about. At the same time, how do you get info if you don´t pressure anyone? 

[Niniel]

Peace. 

 

Voted GF for questioning the mod. That is weird because I think GF just asked a question to those who had already discussed the balance checking. He urge people to vote for GF and is "scared that GF is still alive". He tells Csarmi that it´s bad to just jump on trains to get information. He thinks Csarmi plays bad but is town. Then he change his mind after som AtE posts from Csarmi. Now Csarmi is obvious scum. He gives a lot of reasons for his vote - manipulation, distracting, contradicting his QT partner. The last argument was valid. 

 

Today he says that Mish is town for putting herself out there. He hasn´t got a scum vibe on me but will check it up. GF avoided to comment on the game and are thus scum. He votes GF. 

 

I agreed with him about GF until GF claimed to be able to claim his real character as well. I understand his vote but wish that Peace would comment on someone else and not just GF. 

 

 

 

My idea is this - you are free to correct me if I´m thinking about this in the wrong way. All tell if they can claim their real character or not. When everyone has done that, those that have said that they can claim their real characters claim. Then we have X people that can´t change their stories. We can choose to trust them until someone turn up to be that person in the coroners report. 

 

As I have already said, I can´t claim my real character. GF and Cloud can. What about the rest of you?

 

And don´t say that this is a distraction. You can discuss this at the same time as you analyse the rest of the game as well. 

[Niniel]

Leelou

 

Votes Csarmi because why not. Vote Des for changing his vote multiple times. Asks me if Csarmi, GF and Des are scum? She mentioned GF because he questioned the mod and then disappeared. She says that she can read me well so she will figure out sooner or later what my alignment is. 

 

She votes Csarmi because of his quick vote on Des. She makes a confusing post where she says that the Des train built fast. She doubt that mafia would pile on so quickly but out of Csarmi and Cloud she would go with Csarmi. Cloud is hard to read. So she is voting Csarmi for following her quickly on the Des wagon but doubt that mafia would do that?

 

She says that her Des vote was just for reaction. What do you think about that Peace? 

 

The rest of the day she just continue to say that Csarmi is scummy. He is too defensive, it´s better to clear the wifom on day one, the massclaim idea was scummy and talk of using game mechanics is distracting. 

 

 

I don´t like the way Leelou parks her vote on Csarmi and then just repete again and again that Csarmi is scummy. She doesn´t comment on anything else. She is right that she can read me well, probably better than I can read her. So it´s conserning that she says that she could vote me today. 

[Niniel]

And finally Des. 

 

Votes AVM to get back at Leelou for killing him on day 1 in another game. Vote No Lynch to kickstart. Vote Csarmi for trying to get him modkilled. Vote BFG for buddying. Vote Csarmi for voting Des when others did. 

Think Cloud and Csarmi are mafia since Cloud is linking Des with Csarmi. (Links right back.) Thinks Cloud tries to take both sides by saying that BFG defended herself but looks scummy for not voting. Vote Cloud. 

 

Didn´t like Mish´s balance talk, but haven´t seen her post yet. GF piggybacked.

He was not fond of Leelou´s post about BFG jumbling up things. Didn´t like her vote on him as a trap vote. 

Brings up the coding fail. 

Tries to get Dice to see that mislynches happens and that lurking is worse. 

 

Vote Csarmi. Says that Cloud is possibly his team mate. (Then why switch from Cloud?) Csarmi is ignoring things, overdo things. He has his eyes on Mish and Leelou.

 

He says to Csarmi that jumping on a train to see where it goes is a terrible idea. lol It´s better to vote everywhere for reactions? Pot meet cattle. 

 

He is against BFG´s suspicion of Verbal. 

He says character claims means nothing and character claims is nonsense.

 

Today he votes me. 

 

 

I take back what I said about town read on Des. He has basically called out everyone except me, Peace and Verbal. But he makes it up by voting me today. I have to say that the way he brings up Mish and Leelou several times without voting them makes it look like they are on a team. But I´m not going to link any of them together before I see one of their alignments.

 

 

 

Before I sum up my re-read I want to give my oppinion about Csarmi. I don´t think it was weird to vote Csarmi at the beginning. He really looked scummy. But when he claimed George and Cloud claimed Fred only me and BFG unvoted. Instead of trying to think about what was happening a lot of people accused Csarmi for distracting with talk about claims. It looks like a lot of people wanted Csarmi out of the way or was too lazy to question their own reads. 

[Niniel]

Town:

 

Tina

Cloud - Fred

GF - can and must claim his true character. Later on I want him to tell who that is if the rest of you agree with my idea.

 

 

Don´t know:

 

Dice

Peace

Verbal

 

 

Mafia:

 

Des

Mish

Leelou

 

 

I´m sure that I have mixed some up in the later categories but that is how I see it now. 

 

 

Vote Des

[Thorum]

Votecounts and presences. Italicized people have yet to post or send a pm before night's end.

 

Day 2 - up to post #531

Tina (2) - Mish, Desp

GF (1) - Peace

Desp (1) - Tina

Not voting (5) - Leelou, Cloud, Verbal, GF, Dice

 

9 alive, so 5 votes for a lynch. Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131120T17&p0=48&msg=End+of+day+2, or hammer

 

[michellem]

You say you don't want to link me, Leelou and Des now, and yet you do it. Lol.

 

 

I've already said why I added the explanation on the vote. To give town reasons to look back on later, because votes without reasons is BS, it makes it easier for mafia to slip onto trains and gives them less things they have to keep straight later. Also, we had a deadline that very evening, and I didn't see any other possible lynch. A lot of players had weighed in with opinons about Csarmi and the lovers/fred/george, and I much preferred that lynch where we could look at who said what, than a rushed lynch, or even worse, not achieving a lynch. Have you read the rules about what happens if we don't achieve a lynch? I don't know about you, but I don't think they look very good.

 

I was initially gonna focus on those nudging along Csarmi's lynch without activley being on it when I reread, but it wasn't many, those who were active mostly voted him, except you, and then Verb who had a nudgy post before finally voting. It wouldn't help me much to look at those who had a strong scum read on him, since amongst those are my 3 strongest town reads...

 

I don't like that you stepped up yor activity now that you got some attention. It feels like trying to look like a good helpful townie. You parroting Csarmi's suggesting about mass reveals doesn't make me feel better; we all know he was town now, so you brining it up again must be a pro-town move... And it's very convenient to say while doing it that you can't claim your real character, so if you ever have to claim and get CC'd, like what just happened to AVM now, we're all supposed to think you're town just like AVM. No, it's all a bit too convenient for me right now. Not buying it.

[Leelou]

Town:

 

Tina

Cloud - Fred

GF - can and must claim his true character. Later on I want him to tell who that is if the rest of you agree with my idea.

 

 

Don´t know:

 

Dice

Peace

Verbal

 

 

Mafia:

 

Des

Mish

Leelou

 

 

I´m sure that I have mixed some up in the later categories but that is how I see it now. 

 

 

Vote Des

 

Wow. Who you have as your scum team is everyone that is either voting you or says they will vote you. OMGUS much? I'm going to do an analysis later this afternoon. Oh and nice way to tie me, Mish and Des together there. 

[michellem]

God I hate DM weekends.

[dicetosser1]

Tina  people not unvoting Csarmi may have had as much to do with him being a Lover as anything else. Generally they are mafia/town pairs. Town/town ones are the rarer variety. rare enough that people dont seem to believe they exist.

 

I dont know about character claims meaning nothing but im not sure we can rely on them with polyjuice around. yeah you can CC but there might be a reason for you NOT to CC. or at least so im told lol i believe in CCing immeadiately     its working out which ones the liar that gets me in trouble!  

[Niniel]

You say you don't want to link me, Leelou and Des now, and yet you do it. Lol.

 

 

I've already said why I added the explanation on the vote. To give town reasons to look back on later, because votes without reasons is BS, it makes it easier for mafia to slip onto trains and gives them less things they have to keep straight later. Also, we had a deadline that very evening, and I didn't see any other possible lynch. A lot of players had weighed in with opinons about Csarmi and the lovers/fred/george, and I much preferred that lynch where we could look at who said what, than a rushed lynch, or even worse, not achieving a lynch. Have you read the rules about what happens if we don't achieve a lynch? I don't know about you, but I don't think they look very good.

 

I was initially gonna focus on those nudging along Csarmi's lynch without activley being on it when I reread, but it wasn't many, those who were active mostly voted him, except you, and then Verb who had a nudgy post before finally voting. It wouldn't help me much to look at those who had a strong scum read on him, since amongst those are my 3 strongest town reads...

 

I don't like that you stepped up yor activity now that you got some attention. It feels like trying to look like a good helpful townie. You parroting Csarmi's suggesting about mass reveals doesn't make me feel better; we all know he was town now, so you brining it up again must be a pro-town move... And it's very convenient to say while doing it that you can't claim your real character, so if you ever have to claim and get CC'd, like what just happened to AVM now, we're all supposed to think you're town just like AVM. No, it's all a bit too convenient for me right now. Not buying it.

 

Yes, I doubt that all of you are mafia but I suspect all of you. 

 

I think we had almost a day left when you hammered? 

 

I stepped out today because my daughter went away for the day with a friend. It game me a couple of hours here. I am trying to be a good helpful townie, not just look like one. Ehm, you are right, Csarmi was town, so why not take a look at what he wrote? 

 

Tell me why you are against my idea about claiming. If someone can convince me that it´s a bad idea then I´m all ears but you don´t have any arguments against it. It looks like you are afraid of getting caught. What would be the downside to claim? Mafia know who is town and names doesn´t say much about roles. And how has my claim anything to do with this? 

[Niniel]

 

Town:

 

Tina

Cloud - Fred

GF - can and must claim his true character. Later on I want him to tell who that is if the rest of you agree with my idea.

 

 

Don´t know:

 

Dice

Peace

Verbal

 

 

Mafia:

 

Des

Mish

Leelou

 

 

I´m sure that I have mixed some up in the later categories but that is how I see it now. 

 

 

Vote Des

 

Wow. Who you have as your scum team is everyone that is either voting you or says they will vote you. OMGUS much? I'm going to do an analysis later this afternoon. Oh and nice way to tie me, Mish and Des together there. 

 

 

Maybe a little omgus but I think it´s more than that. About linking see answer above. 

[Niniel]

Tina  people not unvoting Csarmi may have had as much to do with him being a Lover as anything else. Generally they are mafia/town pairs. Town/town ones are the rarer variety. rare enough that people dont seem to believe they exist.

 

I dont know about character claims meaning nothing but im not sure we can rely on them with polyjuice around. yeah you can CC but there might be a reason for you NOT to CC. or at least so im told lol i believe in CCing immeadiately     its working out which ones the liar that gets me in trouble!  

 

I have seen town/scum lovers recently but I don´t think it´s the usual variety. That is just my experience. 

 

I don´t understand what you are saying about claims. I´m thinking that:

1. Everyone say if they can claim their real character or not.

2. Those who can claim their real characters reveal their names.

3. We can consider them town until someone get lynched with that name. 

[dicetosser1]

Tina  heres a shocking secret for you.

 

people 

 

LIE!

 

esp in mafia

 

 

i know i know its shocking but it does happen.

 

 

I dont think we can rely on claims. thats all

[michellem]

^- What Dice said. I'm more interested in clearing people on play, not on their claims. God I wish Thorum had just said no character claiming and that's it.

[Niniel]

That is what I´m trying to say. If they lie we might catch them this way. 

 

For instance - GF has said that he can claim as his real character. Then he can tell us who he is. If you die and it turns out that you were that character then we know that he lied. 

[Niniel]

^- What Dice said. I'm more interested in clearing people on play, not on their claims. God I wish Thorum had just said no character claiming and that's it.

 

Yeh, it´s odd but if we can use it, why not? What is the downside? Again, if you convince me then I will back down. And you are totally free to scum hunt while we are discussing this. Not that many have posted today. Weekends are a bit slow. 

[michellem]

*raises eyebrow* So according to you I haven't been doing any scumhunting?

 

And why? Because I'm way more interested in actual gameplay than a mechanic. It's not because I'm worried to reveal my own status, but because I don't give a damn. The whole set-up is difficult and distracting and I don't care of it, I don't want anything to do with it. I'm not interested in the discussion that will follow before and after said "massclaim", that will be only about individuals play. Also, mass claims are a cheap way to win and it breaks the game. And I'm out to play a beautiful game.

[Niniel]

Actually, people aren't even allowed to lie about claiming their real characters so those who do is cleared. That means confirmed townies. GF and Cloud are thus town. At least when GF has told us his name. Do we have anyone else that can be cleared?

[Niniel]

With that I will go to bed.

[Thorum]

You are allowed to lie about true- or falseclaiming.

[michellem]

Verbal, GF, Dice, Peace, Des, Cloud, speak up please... We won't get anywhere unless people talk.

[dicetosser1]

ive been talking mish   u even agreed with me.  Tina has me wondering a bit with the push for mass claims but im not totally ready to throw her in the mafia list. For the rest im still watching GF cause her play has been weird and she hasnt been responding to stuff much. 

 

am watching and weighing still

[michellem]

I want more opinions on more people, not just hcatting along with the hot topics.