[Advanced] Vacation Mafia! Day 7

[Niniel]

I have read the thread. It´s really hard to have any good reads because of 1. no dead mafia and 2. so many inactive people. Town - step up. You help no one by lurking. 

 

I will post my reads tomorrow since I´m going to bed now. I hope to have more posts from RTE, Pralaya and some of the other more quiet players when I wake up. 

[Niniel]

No posts since last night... Mish, we are really going to need your help. 

 

So I don´t have many good reads at all. Or you might say that in an ordinary game I would have a scum feeling on most of the players but it´s just not possible to have that many mafia. :D One of my problems is that I have information now that you didn´t have at that time. It´s easy for me to say that someone has been tunnelling on a townie, but maybe I would have done that myself in that situation. 

 

 

Mish: claimed cop and isn´t cc´d. I understand that you wanted to wait with your reads until later. That said, I really want to see that list so that I can at least scratch a few from my mafia list. 

 

Yates: just voting where everyone else votes. (which is of course true for most players left). Today he votes Mish because she hasn´t found scum? Or because she doesn´t want to share her list yet? Very strange. I don´t see any scumhunting. 

 

Ishy/Csarmi: both haven´t said much. Ishy was against Mish´s and Lenlo´s pressure on Hally when she softclaimed. Csarmi has been defending Mish´s way of handling her viewings. Both are the "correct way" to play and I feel that they are just buddying up to Hally and Mish. Csarmi doesn´t play like he usually does. Less scumhunting and more fluff. I have a gut feeling that he is scum but at the same time I know that he had been stressed lately. Now that he died in the BT game I hope we can see him contribute more here. 

 

Key: tunnelled on Tress day one. Went from jokevote to "I´m happy where my vote is" to Tress being off her meta and being super defensive. Unless Key has been reading some games lately she wouldn´t really know about Tress´ meta since it was some time that she played mafia. Parking her vote on Tress all day (unless for the consolidation vote on Lenlo) is strange. Day 2 she says that Tress´ silence is scummy but votes Mish because her play "hasn´t sat right" during all game. I think she was the 4th vote on Mish´s wagon. She votes Peace purely for consolidation. Then yesterday she went back to vote Tress. This time because it looked like she was buddying Mish. Saying GF is confusing and that RTE shouldn´t vote BG for being inactive when he is so himself. Good points. Today she votes Csarmi and lists RTE, Des, Krak and GF as scum. I found her tunnelling on Tress very scummy but she is actually posting and having reasons for her votes. 

[Niniel]

BG: Links a lot of people together on day 1, which I find scummy. He said Lenlo was Tress´s scum mate since he questioned her train. He then said that Tress, Lenlo and Krak are scum for preassuring Hally. Says that Lenlo pushing Mish, probably makes Mish town. Then on day 2 he vote Mish because she pings because of her vote on the Peace wagon. Says that Darthe isn´t helpful, which he´s right about. On day 2 he votes Tress for not being helpful. He says that if people want to be lazy they should pick another player than the leading train so to get competing trains. It´s funny that he says that since he was voting on the longest train, with not a very strong reason. Today he is laying low because he wants to know what Yates is talking about. I have a scum read on BG. I don´t see any scumhunting. I don´t think HE has been very helpful. 

 

NotBob/Tina: town

 

Pral: I have three single notes on him. Day 1 I have nothing. I´m not sure if he was here at all. Day 2 he had a town read on Peace and fos Ishy for "out of the blue votes" on Lenlo and Peace. Yesterday he found Tress´s train lazy and think BG overexplained her vote on Tress. He thinks BG is scum with Key and Krak. I´m not sure if he has voted at all this game. It´s not possible to judge someone that has posted so little. 

 

Des: Day 1 he went after Lenlo, Tress and Mish for preassuring Hally. He votes Lenlo and says that Tress is off her meta but he is unsure of her and that Mish is on her meta but he doesn´t know about her. He likes Red´s case on AJ and put him as scum as the other three. Day 2 he speculates why Aemon was killed, He votes Mish but agrees with AJ that Peace is scummy, In post 530 he says something really odd. He says that another doc should not cc Hally since she might have fake claimed as town. Really? Would Hally fakeclaim doc if she was town. First big ping. Then he critizise Red for voting an old read (AJ) when there are new info to go on. He also find it wrong that she is suspicious of queit Ishy but not of quiet BG, he doesn´t agree that Peace is beating the grass and think Red defense of RTE is strange. He doesn´t understand why other lurkers are on Red´s scum list. In the last note that I have on him ond Day 2 he think Red, Peace and Mish is scum. After Mish claimed on Day 3 he says that he had changed her mind about her before her claim (easy to say afterwards). Now he thinks Red´s defense of Peace is scum buddying up to a townie. Then he votes Lenlo, who was dead! (He was worried that the no nk meant that scum now knew what day Dice could protect and Lenlo was the one preassuring Hally to tell what kind of doc she was.) He ended up voting Red for using buzzwords and trying to dance around things. Today he continues to vote Red because of a gut feeling. He says Krak´s way of finding scum by comparing lynch trains is lazy. Then he starts to guess who has got what triggers. He now votes GF because of AJs jumping around on day 1, because GF is laying low and because he offered his own lynch.

 

I really don´t know where I have Des. One minute I agree with him but the next minute he says something really scummy. 

[ReleaseTheEvil]

I'm here. Busy day but will take time at some point to come in with my reads.

[csarmi]

I'm here too, got the day off here, so I'm gonna walk down to the pub, have a nice cup of capuccino and start organizing my thoughts.

 

My level of participation will pick up now, especially as I died in one of my games and the other one has finished.

[csarmi]

and here it comes

here comes the weekend

and I'm on my on again

with a saturday in the rain

[Niniel]

Krak: Day 1 he voted Hally. (I think that is when he says that Tress is absolutely mafia but he votes Hally. Could be wrong.) Day 2 he votes RTE for commenting on the meaningless nk and saying that we need to "respect" Hally´s claim. He agrees with Yates that Des post about Lenlo, after Lenlo was hammered, was weird. (I forgot to write that above.) He then votes Mish for tunnelling on him and having a weird case on Peace. After Mish´s claim he moves to Tress but end up voting Peace before deadline. During the night he says that Tress now look town, NotBob is town, Darthe might be a jester, RTE is scum and Mish is playing scummy. Day 3 he votes GF. When asked why he says that GF is quiet and needs prodding. Yates, Pral and Csarmi isn´t playing either. He votes RTE at the end but has then been ninja´d by the hammer. Today he votes Des because he was on the leading trains day 1 and 2 and had a meaningsless vote yesterday. His scum list is Key, RTE, Des, Yates and BG. Krak is jumping back and forth but I agree with a lot of his thoughts so he is one of the few that I don´t get a scummy feeling from. 

 

RTE: Nothing on Day 1. Day 2 he voted Peace because Peace voted Dice on the wrong assumptions. During the night he says that Mish´s comment about that Peace should have claimed was scummy. Day 3 he votes BG because he is too quiet, play different, didn´t like his Peace vote and his general play. He has posted too little for me to make a judgement. 

 

Red: It´s often hard for me to read her posts. She can go on about something for a while but then say it´s not that scummy. I´m not sure if she is backtracking or if she just see things differently. That is not just in this game. Day 1 she voted Lenlo because he said that Tress and he was on the town team. (How could he know Tress was town.) She thinks Hally´s reveal was crappy but think Mish is overdoing her critique and don´t think it´s vote worthy. This is one of the things I don´t get with Red. She manage to suspect both Hally and Mish. She suspects AJ for trusting blindly in Hally. When I read through the game this was the one thing that strikes me most so I had a town feeling of Red on day 1. On day 2 she votes AJ again and say that other lurkers are suspicious because of Aemon´s death. Her mafia list is AJ, Pral, BG, Ishy, NotBob and Mish. Day 3 she says (again) that Tress fading away is scummy but later she says that the Tress train is lazy. She voted BG but switched to GF since no one followed her. Her scum list is BG, GF, Pral, Yates, RTE and Des. Red is one of the few that I don´t get an immidiate scum feeling from. I have a tiny feeling that if she is scum she is on a team with BG but I think others has been more scummy. 

[Niniel]

AJ/GF: Voted Peace, when Hally´s train started he jumped on it, he jumped off after her reveal and voted Tress instead. All of these were the longest trains at the moments. He gets called out for trusting Hally too easy and says he is willing to give her the benefit of a doubt. Ends up voting Lenlo. On day 2 he votes Peace without any explanation. When GF takes over he votes Tress without an explanation but then vote Peace before deadline even though he rather vote Tress or Krak. Before I move on I must say that I have a very hard time to understand GF. I mean literarlly. GF, can you please try to explain yourself better. I have this problem with you all the time. I think it´s because we don´t have English as our first language. So to day 2.GF votes Tress because it´s a good place to look at. (Very vague). He could also vote Red or RTE but Tress will show if he is completely off. What does that even mean? Then he says that he don´t think Red is mafia (???). Then he fos NotBob and say that he will be looked at if Tress is mafia and that he is willing to get lynched if he is wrong. (?????) Then he says something about that if he survives to end game he will be trusted. I don´t know what that means. Today he votes Krak. Why?

[Niniel]

Summary: 

 

Town: 

 

Tina

Msih

Red

Krak

 

Somewhere in between:

 

Key

Des

 

Mafia:

 

BG

Yates

Csarmi

 

 

Too few posts:

 

RTE

Pral

 

Special cathegory:

 

AJ/GF

 

 

I want to vote GF because of AJ´s day 1 posts and then GF´s weird posts but he is so confusing. Would he play this way as mafia? I guess weird doesn´t equal mafia but AJ´s play on day 1 was scummy. It´s a giantic wifom for me. I will leave it for a while and vote BG instead. 

 

Vote BG

[hazelkrs1]

Okay so here's my big ol wot reread post. Skim at your own peril.

 

Eh after finishing, decided to be nice and seperate it into little iso cases on the top peeps I found during reread, followed by other random stuff. You're welcome.

 

First I will start off with something worth pointing out however, especially for any going back to try a reread of their own.

 

 

 

VOTE DARTHE.

 

Introducing wifom already and early distracting from game talk. 

Early distracting from game talk my ass. Theres next to no game to talk about yet. The only valid reason you have to vote him is the wifom from his vote on me cause of the extra text.

 

INTRODUCING LENLO.  The arbiter of valid votes...and Darthe's buddy.

 

 

Really I'm only quoting this to kinda show how the highest trains/only people in the spotlight day 1 have all flipped town. Peace, Lenlo, Tress, and Darthe were the only ones receiving attention that day, and all ended up being townies.

 

The reason I'm highlighting this is because for anyone else going back to try rereading, look for both lurky play day 1, and people playing the sideline. That's where you will find scum. With all the town-on-town violence, they didn't have to do much but sit back and nudge and bandwagon. That leads to my findings on a few players:

 

 

AJ ISO:

 

 

Ah gotcha. So not even enough to wet your throat basically?

 

I drink pretty casually myself. Most of the time it's just kind of a nightcap thing... my partying days kind of went to the backseat after my son was born.

 

Anywho... nobody wants to talk about Darthe admitting he was scum and Peace biting?

 

Notice AJ nudging both Darthe and Peace. Also funny cause he later talks about how he hates people focusing on Darthe's statement, even tho he tried getting people to talk about it earlier.

 

unvote

 

Peace going after Darthe that early gives me good vibes about him for now. Not digging the WIFOM on Darthe's part... meh.

 

I'll vote Hallia

 

AJ bandwagons, and bemoans Darthe's WIFOM, even tho by talking about it and encouraging others to talk about it, you're actually CONTRIBUTING to it. So yeah.

 

unvote Hallia

 

vote Tress

 

Probably too soon for that Hally, but hey.

 

Bad for both the blatant bandwagon (leaves one townie train to join the other), and for the again classic scum move of scolding a town PR for revealing too early

 

 

really Mish, you give up so soon.   we're not lynching the person you want so you take your vote and go home.  hmmmmm

 

 

 

Right because I really express my unwavering belief of her claim in these posts. Are you intentionally over exaggerating?

 

 

 

no i'm calling it like I see it.  you pulled your vote off (a crappy bandwagon vote I might add) with a half assed reveal, half assed questioning it then shrugging it off in the same sentence.  then, instead of questioning Hally on her actions (tbh the vote isn't the only semi scummy ping I got from her) you go after the main person questioning her claim and ONLY after others started the FoS of fishing on her.   opportunistic much.

 

then you say your giving a person the benefit of the doubt.  why?  who gives someone benefit of the doubt in this game.  not unless you know her alignment, and given its Day 1, the only way that's possible is if your scum.

 

The benefit of the doubt thing is that she revealed. You're really stretching to call me scum for that. Yeah, she soft claimed at first and didn't really tell her role until today but there was, and still is, opportunity for someone to CC. Until then, I'd rather not lynch a claimed PR soft claim or not. There are ways to check her in the Night phases.

 

AJ please answer me this: How do you CC a soft PR claim? How do you vet it?

 

I'll save you some time. YOU CAN'T. THAT'S why soft claims are so scummy.

 

So yeah, you instantly accepting the PR soft claim was, is, and will always be scummy.

 

 

unvote; vote Lenlo

 

Doesn't look like there's any other place to go with just over 2 hours until DL.

 

Des, your list of scum is extremely counter intuitive. Why would you put both Lenlo and Tress down on the same team when they are voting each other? And please, don't give me some long winded explanation about how they are trying to distance.

 

 

 

Extremely Un-Official Vote Count

 

Lenlo (7): Despo, Ishy, BG, Tress, Red, Aemon, AJ

Peace (1): Hally
Tress (3): Key, Darthe, Lenlo
Hally (2): Krak, Peace

Mish (1): Yates

 

Not Voting (4): Pral, RTE, NotBob, Mish

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch.
Deadline: Friday Evening 9:30pm MST http://www.timeandda...msg=Day 1&csz=1

 

 

Btw, I stand corrected. It WAS AJ. Coulda sworn it was Aemon that wrote this post.

 

As far as what's wrong with this post, AJ bandwagons yet again on another townie, says it's for consolidation, uses awful reasoning in trying to criticize my reads (already responded to it a while ago), and tries to look like the helpful townie by posting the unofficial vc.

 

 

 

ISHY/CS ISO:

 

 

Vote Songstress.

 

 

 

Vote Songstress.

</3
Because?

Gut.

 

 

Bandwagon without reasoning, and then just says "gut" when asked for reasoning

 

Don't worry Hobbit, you aren't todays lynch.

Unvote. Vote Jay Lenlo.

 

Ishy bandwagons from one townie (Tress) to another (Lenlo). And buddies a (soft) claimed PR to boot.

 

 

Ishy: Do you honestly think she's playing pro-town? Straight answer plz.

Yes, I do. A pro-Town Hobbit game.

Seriously, this mindset of attacking her play each and every game is really starting to piss me off. The poor girl works 10-12 hour days, six days a week and is on call the seventh. She meets every mods expectation of activity, and still everyone blasts her for inactivity. It hurts her feelings terribly and it's effing disgusting.

Not directed at you Mish, but in general.

 

 

 

Better not be at me, I haven't said a thing about her general play, just this one game.
 
And you now effeciantly guilt-tripped everyone into not being able to vote her this game.

I doubt that. No one gives a crap what I say anyway.

 

 

Two straight AtE posts from Ishy

 

Vote Peasmells.

 

Bandwagon vote on a townie with no explanation given. Ishy would be the Kevin Durant to AJ's Lebron this game.

 

If we don't count Kay-mod, I'm third in post count.

Lurky indeed.

 

Ishy acts pretty prickly about being called out for lurking, but dude, he def lurked hardcore before subbing out. Would be a classic example of scum posting fluff and blargon to inflate their post count without actually having to offer true game thoughts. Seriously, try out an ISO on Ishy. You'll see what I'm saying.

 

This was the last thing I grabbed from Ishy, he was replaced by CS not too long after this if I'm not mistaken

 

Catching up. Middle of D1.

Amazingly I agree with all of Ishy posts.

Len and Tress look scum. Despo makes me wanna policy lynch him (the Hally push).

Players that caught my attention (in some way): Mish, Peace, BG. That and Darthe's scum reveal. Buying Hally's reveal for now.

 

Awful post. Pretty much EVERYONE he names here in this post as someone he thinks is scum or is paying attention to (or in my case, wants to policy lynch), is either town (me and Mish, who I have as solid town atm), confirmed town (Len, Tress, Peace) or BG. And his point on me, for the policy lynch thing, is stupid. I don't like Hallia posting fluff. I have made this clear. Don't care if others don't join me, in games I'm in with her I might push this if I see her camping on the sidelines yet again. Nothing personal, it's mafia.

 

 

 

Had to split it in two, second following immediately

[hazelkrs1]

KEY ISO:

 

 

 

I like Mish's point about Hallia calling out Krak for being lazy and then just jumping on a train.  I didn't like Hallia's explanation though. 

 

 

 

I always expect crazy gambits from Darthe.

 

Always.

 

Methinks we will find out soon enough if this is true.

 

 

Sounds joke-y, but if you always expect a crazy gambit why not give it more thought than just we'll see?

 

Furthermore, not really feeling the phrase "soon enough"?  If you think he's mafia, shouldn't you be voting him right now?

 

Happy with my vote, atm.

 

Although I don't have a problem with Key's reasoning here, it's a classic scum move to justify keeping a joke vote on someone for something that happens later. That way they can come out with the ever popular scum line: "Huh, maybe I was onto something after ALL with my joke vote..."

 

(edited out Key's multiquote case on Darthe)

 

Seemed way too early for a multiquote case, and also seemed to be trying too hard. Can't remember specifically where this came, but it was early day 1.

 

You guys are crazy; IPAs are no bueno.  Stout is where it's at!

 

 

 

Wellllll I'm NOT from NC or SC, how do you like them apples?

 

 

 

I'd like to see Hallia's explanation before I weigh in.

 

I already mentioned in an earlier fos on Key that I don't like how she kept going offtopic in her earlier posts. Read to me like someone trying to feign nonchalance, or to keep others talking about offtopic stuff to distract from the scumhunt

 

Not caring too much for rolefishing or soft claiming. I dislike the timing of the reveal more than the soft claim though. It was not even slightly necessary.

 

Scum love scolding peeps for early claims, to try and look townie. Said the same about AJ when he scolded Hallia for the early claim.

 

 

 

Songstress, on 18 Oct 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

 

Here's Key, who had her joke vote on me and decided to try to justify keeping it there, twice. 

 

In response to the bold, I never said I thought Darthe was mafia.  I said I always expect he's pulling some sort of crazy gambit, but truth be told he never is when I expect it (see Basel's Pizza game for example).  I expect it, but I don't believe it, and there was no reason to vote him.  And there are ways to find out if he is, which I expect will be utilized at some point.

 

She then went on a questioning spree of everyone who voted me with no reason or little reason, which looks awfully townie of her, but then came back to deciding to keep her vote on me because "I'm off my meta", whatever that is supposed to mean.  Truth, Key, how often have you played with me lately?  What is my meta now?  What is my meta when I'm at work and have very restricted internet access and little time to post on my phone?  What responses of mine did you consider "weird"?

 

Serious mafia vibe from Key right now.  And if she and Ishy are mafia together I will be most put out, because he and I still never have been

 

 

Decide to try and justify?  In a game of mafia, NOT saying why you are voting someone is hardly seen at good playing.  Note all the people that I, and others, have called out for not justifying their vote.  Skipping over your second point for a minute to discuss the third.  It wasn’t because they were voting you that I questioned them.  It was because they were voting for no reason, which I don’t happen to care for.  If we all just did that it would be a very boring and not very telling game, wouldn’t it?

 

Back to your feelings on Darthe for a second.  That’s a lovely explanation and all, but you didn’t say all that.  This is what you said:

 

I always expect crazy gambits from Darthe.

 

Always.

 

Methinks we will find out soon enough if this is true.

 

 

That in itself, alone, sounds scummy. I don’t feel the need to say anything else because I think it mostly speaks for itself.

Regarding your meta.  You sound super defensive Tress.  I’m not even pressuring you, yet you’re lashing out at me.  I haven’t played with you lately, true.  Pretty obvious considering I haven’t played with anyone lately.  I’m going off meta from games I’ve read to get myself back into the mindset of the game where you are playing.  Also, probably admittedly some from when I played with you before.

In regards to your activity, you seemed to have a lot of time during night 0 when everyone was just having fun and shooting the breeze.  Then you died down and have said little since then.  You never mentioned having limited access (until after this post), am I just supposed to know that for some reason?

 

What have I said that’s giving you mafia vibes right now other than you not liking me questioning people for their voting reasoning?

 

The quote got messed up by Key when she submitted it, I blue'd what I'm pretty sure are her remarks. Main thing I found scummy was her saying Tress was sounding super defensive and lashing out at Key. I don't think that Tress was that defensive, and def wasn't lashing out at Key. Pretty sure Key is scum from how she uses the ever-popular scum buzzword "defensive" here.

 

Okay, apparently I need to re-explain. Here is the post:

 

I always expect crazy gambits from Darthe.

 

Always.

 

Methinks we will find out soon enough if this is true.

 

Read what peace said and then read what you said.  It sure sounds like you think he's mafia, because you always expect crazy gambits like peace suggested.  Then, you repeat always to further the point.  Then you think you will find out "soon enough" as if you think he is but can't be bothered to vote him right now.

 

Why does it bother you so much that I mentioned why I kept my vote on you twice?  The first one was pages back so I was restating it.

 

Meta reasons based on fairly current games that I've read to get my mind back in the game?  I don't see how that's out of date. 

 

I still don't understand what I've done, other than vote for you, that makes you think I'm scummy.

 

Don't think Tress was saying she thought Darthe was mafia at all there. In fact, more the opposite, she was soft defending him.

 

Also REALLY don't like the last line there. Smells of whyme fryme.

 

Don't have enough time to go into much right now; I'll be back in the morning with more. But saw my name so wanted to ask dice what you mean by me only posting mod type stuff? Please explain.

 

Somewhat whyme frymeish, but more importantly, TWO people had already brought this point up against Key (me and Tress, and actually Red might've said something about this as well), you doing the "helpful townie/minimod" routine. You had already responded to the issue.

 

You acting like you don't know what Dice is referring to here sets off MAJOR red flags.

 

 

I didn't say "can't be bothered", I said "I don't feel like", and i explained the day after why I didn't feel like it. Of course, you can choose to not believe me on that (although I do dare you to find one single game where I've lied about RL stuff to get off the hook), that's your choice.

 

I know it's been pointed out before, but this doesn't sit right with me either.  'Can't be bothered' and 'I don't feel like' equate to the same thing.  Also, getting super defensive over possibly lying about RL stuff is weird.  That's the nature of playing on the internet.  We don't know if you are or not, so it seems pretty obvious that people would question it. 

 

Uh oh! Here comes Mr. Grumpy Pants! (sorry, had to type that once I typed uh oh. My 6 yr old daughter says that to me all the time if I start to get irritated, makes me laugh every time! ) that "super defensive" thing again!

 

 

 

1. Voting a somewhat outdated read, and an outlier at that?

Regarding Number 1, I agree that Red’s vote for Andrej is weird, if only because I feel that we have more evidence on others. 

 

Only quoted this for reference because Key defends AJ here, someone who looked VERY scummy to me on reread.

 

 

 

 

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Other stuff:

 

 

 

What gives you the impression they are random?

 

 

I am not . I am asking :)

 

Didn't quote this whole exchange, but at the beginning of the game, Pray asked when the joke stage would end, and RTE pressed him on this for a bit. Don't like Pray's reaction on reread. Looks like both slight buddying and like Pray trying to keep from answering more questions.

 

 

Well we have a deadline tomorrow, isn't this fun?

 

Although I'll join Des on Vote Hallia . I like that train better than the Peace-train.

 

What makes you "like" Hally train better than Peace train? 

 

 

Not a fan of the sarcastic quotes here from Pray. Looks like scum trying to discredit on word usage.

 

 

So, how many here think that darthe may want to pull off the "I can claim I'm scum and get away with it" play?  I think it is well within his meta to try to pull a stunt like that just for fun. 

 

 

I always expect crazy gambits from Darthe.

 

Always.

 

Methinks we will find out soon enough if this is true.

 

 

Fwiw, this was one of the big posts that made me suspect Tress early in the game. Soft defends Darthe, the "soon enough" line seemed too cryptic, etc.

 

Vote Tress

 

BG bandwagoning onto Tress without reasoning. Remember what I said about stuff to look out for on day 1 with so many townies getting focused on.

 

The Peace train resistance is telling. As is the hyperbole surrounding the Peace defense.

"Where's the poop, Ted?"

 

Think I had one other quote from Yates, but deleted it. He's been extremely lurky this game, bandwagoned a couple of times and that's it.

 

 

[hazelkrs1]

TL;DR: There was a ton of town-on-town violence day 1. Darthe, Len, Peace, and Tress were pretty much the only ones in the spotlight, and all flipped town. So scum would have been happy to lurk, bandwagon, and nudge trains all day.

 

AJ (GF) and Ishy (CS) fit this to a T. Krak and Yates have been pretty lurky as well, and I believe Yates had a bandwagon vote or two at times. But AJ (GF) and Ishy (CS) easily look crazy scummy after reread. Especially AJ, as he has shown that as town he is more than willing to give reasoning for his votes. Pretty much the norm for Ishy's play, but that doesn't make it any less scummy in this instance.

 

Key looks bad to me. Tried too hard to case Darthe early day 1, overuses scum buzzwords like super defensive, and has gone somewhat underground lately. Easily see her as scum.

 

Rock solid scum reads:

 

GF (AJ), Key, CS (Ishy)

 

Didn't do much townhunting tbh. Can't be that many left in any case.

 

Pretty sure I'm already voting him, but jic Unvote, Vote GF. Also thought I had quotegrabbed some of GF's posts, I might do mini-iso's on the replacements (GF and CS) if I feel like it later. But if you read my case on AJ, I think it's pretty clear that GF is scum.

[hazelkrs1]

Summary: 

 

Town: 

 

Tina

Msih

Red

Krak

 

Somewhere in between:

 

Key

Des

 

Mafia:

 

BG

Yates

Csarmi

 

 

Too few posts:

 

RTE

Pral

 

Special cathegory:

 

AJ/GF

 

 

I want to vote GF because of AJ´s day 1 posts and then GF´s weird posts but he is so confusing. Would he play this way as mafia? I guess weird doesn´t equal mafia but AJ´s play on day 1 was scummy. It´s a giantic wifom for me. I will leave it for a while and vote BG instead. 

 

Vote BG

 

And your reasoning for your vote on BG?

 

Cause I saw you case AJ fairly well, yet you also soft defend GF. Looks pretty scummy to me. Fence-sitting on whether or not you should bus GF?

[hazelkrs1]

Also, I have the iso for Red saved, but not gonna post it atm. Figure it might be a distraction (knowing Red and remembering our past wot-battles), and on my reread my scum read on her went down slightly. Wouldn't say that I think she's town now, but her push on AJ seemed fairly genuine to me. Might come back to her later.

[hazelkrs1]

Updated scum list:

 

GF (AJ)

Key

CS (Ishy)

Tina

Red

 

In that order. Follow me ftw!

 

[Niniel]

BG: Links a lot of people together on day 1, which I find scummy. He said Lenlo was Tress´s scum mate since he questioned her train. He then said that Tress, Lenlo and Krak are scum for preassuring Hally. Says that Lenlo pushing Mish, probably makes Mish town. Then on day 2 he vote Mish because she pings because of her vote on the Peace wagon. Says that Darthe isn´t helpful, which he´s right about. On day 2 he votes Tress for not being helpful. He says that if people want to be lazy they should pick another player than the leading train so to get competing trains. It´s funny that he says that since he was voting on the longest train, with not a very strong reason. Today he is laying low because he wants to know what Yates is talking about. I have a scum read on BG. I don´t see any scumhunting. I don´t think HE has been very helpful. 

 

 

 

Des - these are my reasons. His reason for voting Mish felt weird, like he had to come up with something to not look like bandwagoning. He told people not to lazy vote when he did so himself. He says people aren´t helpful (which he was right about) but ain´t really helpful himself. I don´t see any scumhunting. I guess it´s also a lot about meta - I expect more from BG. 

 

 

I´m definitely fence-sitting when it comes to GF, as you can see. But it has got nothing to do with bussing or not. If Mish haven´t viewed him town he will be in the top for scummy players. I don´t know, I keep second guessing myself. It´s just that I can´t understand GF. 

[Niniel]

I wrote a lot of things, but you only commented about my fence-sitting on GF. Why don´t you comment on my other reads as well. It feels strange that you read all of that but only commented on me not voting for the one you are voting for. 

[csarmi]

Tina, what makes you think that if Red is scum, she should be on team with BG?

[csarmi]

Some quick reactions to Des before lunch.

 

Also wary of Ishy/CSarmi, he posted a lot of fluff early on before he got replaced, bandwagoned a ton without EVER giving reasons for his vote, yet tried to act affronted when called out for lurking, trying to point to a high post count even tho he never said anything of value. CS since he has come in has seemed to be constantly apologizing for not being caught up yet, and seems more amiable in general. For those who know CS's meta, this is a bad thing. He tends to buddy and mini-mod a lot more as scum, is more aggressive as town. But he's very good at posting filler cases, where he pretty much just quotes a bunch of stuff without really adding much to the game.

This sounds weak. I don't think I've added much to the game. Actually, I don't believe that I've added enough for you to pull meta arguments on me. Sad, but true.

Please show me posting filler cases or buddying.

 

Not sure what you mean by mini-modding, care to explain? I got an idea, but I might be wrong as that is something I do in every game, regardless of alignment or position.

 

 

Catching up. Middle of D1.

 

Amazingly I agree with all of Ishy posts.

 

Len and Tress look scum. Despo makes me wanna policy lynch him (the Hally push).

 

Players that caught my attention (in some way): Mish, Peace, BG. That and Darthe's scum reveal. Buying Hally's reveal for now.

 

Awful post. Pretty much EVERYONE he names here in this post as someone he thinks is scum or is paying attention to (or in my case, wants to policy lynch), is either town (me and Mish, who I have as solid town atm), confirmed town (Len, Tress, Peace) or BG. And his point on me, for the policy lynch thing, is stupid. I don't like Hallia posting fluff. I have made this clear. Don't care if others don't join me, in games I'm in with her I might push this if I see her camping on the sidelines yet again. Nothing personal, it's mafia.

 

I don't get what you find wrong with this post.

I started reading up and gave my opinions as I went (yea, not much of it, I bit off more than I could chew and couldn't finish up right there). You noted yourself there was a lot of town on town violence going on D1. How is it surprising that the prominent players caught my attention?

 

For the record, BG stood out to me as townish, Mish and Peace as very controversial.

[Niniel]

Csarmi - Red went after Ishy more than BG until others pointed that out to her. She voted BG but when that didn´t go anywhere she moved on. Could be a distancing vote. I think Red is town, so this isn´t worth much before we know the aligment of either of them. Just a tiny suspicious. 

[csarmi]

For now, I got my Yates read finished up. It wasn't long, as he didn't post much.

 

I like his play in general. I've got a town read on him. It's not easy to put this into words, but what he is adding is very straightforward and makes a lot of sense from a town player.

 

Several good points. Good reactions on trains and claims in general.

 

Vote: Tress because

Town tell to me. Note what he does not do. No made up explanations.

 

His play on this day is a bit weird, but his questioning of Mish (or pushing for results) looks good again (yup I completely disagree with that sort of push, but the wayy he does it sounds right).

 

What I don't like in his play is the low amount of hunting (a few good jabs, but no follow up), not giving much of views at all and that him being Yates makes me somewhat weary.

 

I'd like to see more of him.

[csarmi]

Csarmi - Red went after Ishy more than BG until others pointed that out to her. She voted BG but when that didn´t go anywhere she moved on. Could be a distancing vote. I think Red is town, so this isn´t worth much before we know the aligment of either of them. Just a tiny suspicious.

I see, I'm certainly gonna pay attention to that. On my first (not very complete) reads after I joined the game, BG looked very townish and I couldn't read Red much (both figuratively and literally - I actually gave up reading everything she wrote after a couple of WoT exchanges with AJ).

[michellem]

Arrrgh you people make me wanna bang my head into the wall, repeatedly. TOWN! I hope you are aware that sitting quiet and not saying anything is gonna loose us this game, and it'll be your fault! (this does not include those who's posted the last 24 hours... Well except RTE who only said "bbl"). You are doing mafia a huge favour and letting them sit quiet too, hiding amongst you. This is NOT ok!

 

Now, I'm going out soon. There's a Halloween party at a local pub, I'm gonna help them set up and then do my make-yp and costume at a friends place, and then I'm going to the party. I'll have my phone with me and I'll check the game every now and then, but it is not my biggest priority today. I very, very rarely go out, and I love Halloween, and I have a seriously killer costume, and I'm gonna have fun tonight.

 

 

Now GET THOSE READS OUT THERE, I'm getting seriously annoyed now, I'm not here to do the whole game for you, town. You gotta participate and speak up!

[csarmi]

Is Nov 1st a day off and/or party day in the US?

 

We hot everything closed down here in Hungary and it's s day of mourning.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Day off in Austria as well.

 

Too bad it isn't in England... Not like Research takes a day off anyways... 

 

I'm around and will get to posting reads before deadline. Just a busy day.