[Basic] Die Hard for Mafia Game Thread

[michellem]

Honestly Kaylee if I was mafia I'd get more out of firing up under your suspicion about Csarmi than trying to follow up on Pral; I don't understand how me trying to say that I think Csarmi is ok makes you think I'm mafia? You're the one who started this mess of there potentially being no Doc, you're an experienced enough player to have seen days ago that what you tried to theorize was extremely unlikely.

[Kaylee]

I've seen games without a Doc or cop. I think your mom likely mafia because if Pral is scum why bring up AJ when there wasn't much pressure on him. I suppose if he's GF then better to take down the goon...but why not then let Dice go down? That's what doesn't make sense if he's scum. Other then possibly town credit.

 

Mish: it had nothing to do with the fact that you think Csarmi is Doc.

[Kaylee]

I also said I was suspicious of Pral as well.

[michellem]

Yeah I misread your post a bit.

 

"Well I'm feeling, with his responses, that Csarmi is Doc. I think with the reasons I laid out last night that Mish is more likely scum than Pral."

 

I read as "with HER responses", so I thought you ment that because of my responses or something.

[Kaylee]

No, just because unless Pral was trying for town cred, why would he as scum make the case against AJ and help get him lynched? The only thing I can think of is that several different people pointed him out and if he was going to get attention later, better to take out the goon and go for cred. If you take that out of it, the simpler explanation is he wouldn't draw attention to a team member if a townie was about to go down.

 

The way I saw it is this: Why not let Dice/Mish go down that day phase and then make the case against AJ the following day if he was scum? It would have been going along with town as most people were willing to lynch him. He got to L-2 I believe before Pral's case on AJ. 

[csarmi]

Sorry people, still haven't gotten around to do a re-read, very busy. Right now it's 03:50AM here and I'm up all night working. Gonna try to add my thoughts during the day :(

[Kaylee]

Tomorrow is deadline. We need to secure a lynch. Hopefully it's on scum and we win this.

[Hallia]

Pral(1): Mish

Mish(1): Kaylee

 

Not Voting: Pral, Csarmi

 

With 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch.  Deadline is tomorrow night at 8pm PST.  Deadline (I hope this works!)

[csarmi]

I find it very telling that Pray isn't voting.

 

What's up Pray? Can't figure out who is it you can get lynched?

[Pralaya]

Kind of, just got on the forum. POsted in the other game. Will do so here in an hour or so.

[Kaylee]

I find it very telling that Pray isn't voting.

 

What's up Pray? Can't figure out who is it you can get lynched?

Are you just waiting to hammer?

[csarmi]

 

I find it very telling that Pray isn't voting.

 

What's up Pray? Can't figure out who is it you can get lynched?

Are you just waiting to hammer?

Nope. Waiting for more input. Also just finished a project, gonna read up soon.

[Pralaya]

Got stuck at work. 
 
Starting with Dice/Mish
 
Dice doesn't have a lot of posts in Day 1. He had RL problems. 
He skims most of it through, but what is interesting is he confuses NotBob with me and gives intention to vote him. THen when Len challenges him, he appears to feign confusion and votes me. His intention to vote stands out.
 
He doesn't vote NotBob. Understandable, he was unavailable due to RL.
 
Enter Mish.
 
She doesn't post anything for a day. And, then she comes up with a assumption filled case against me and tries to get the town to vote me. But, despite making a stronger case against me, she goes and votes AJ. She follows couple of similar cases that have been presented on AJ before her vote and uses them as scumtell.
 

Long rambly nighttime post. I'm too tired to make it neat, sorry. I'm gonna start off by Vote AJ. In a lot of ways he's my second biggest scum read, the biggest is Pral (coming up to that), but I'm fine with either now, and AJ already has 3 votes, sooo... Yeah.
Dice played a bad game indeed. I do know that his daughter is very ill, so it didn't suprise me how bad his game was; I'm more suprised he signs up for games at all now, his game has been lacking in all the games I've seen him in lately, RL coming in his way, mafia or town. I'm vanilla, to have that out of the way.

Before I got to the part where Darthe claimed vig, I was wondering if Cloud got killed to remove Pral from the equation; those two were neck and neck D1. I'm wondering if they were trying for a "we'll remove Pral from suspicion if we kill Cloud, because it would be really stupid to kill Cloud when he and Pral are so tightly connected by their back and forth ". I'm still wondering if the mafia took a shot at Cloud too. I see that as more logical than Csarmi, if Pral is mafia, wich is my biggest suspect, with AJ in second place. Why Pral? Because he was so close to getting run up, and then it switched over to someone who ended up as a mafia goon. Would make sense for the cop to view Pral during the night because of that. And then D2 he puts what I think was the first vote on AJ? He's already mentioned that "we" (in other words: me, I was driving that game, but he paid attention) used the "bussig a teammate to earn town cred" recently. I feel like he's doing that with AJ now, whom I also have a huge ping from. So that + his ignoring Peace's "pre-game-information" but still voted the same person, a person NotBob voted too. And a bunch of other things I don't remember right now because it's over 2am and I'm tired as heck. So this is a bit rambly as you guys have probably already noticed. Oh, just remembered, Andrej evened out Bob's and Pral's trains D1, Prals was bigger untilAJ came on. Oh and this sevtion about Pral doesn't make sense right now, because I think I forgot to mention that most of tihs is based on the belief that he's the Godfather.

I believe Csarmi's and Darthes claims, town read on Peace and Kaylee, unsure on Dap, Luci, Len and scum read on Pral, AJ.
 

So, we've got Cloud discrediting Pral further while voting for Peace. (Peace never said he'd believe any role on D1, just that he believed Pral's, btw. That's an important detail that you're misrepresenting here.)
 
At this point, these are the associations that I see.
 
Cloud and Kaylee are against NotBob's train. Cloud through his interference by going after Peace and now arguing with Dap. Kaylee more subtle with first the unvote that gained some attention and then revoting Pral to even out the trains.
 
Peace wants to lynch NotBob over Pral on the basis that he believes Pral's VT claim. Why NotBob, Peace? I don't remember you actually making a case on him before.
 
vote NotBob
 
At this point, with NotBob having the most votes and this close to DL, I think he should be our lynch. If he flips scum then I think Cloud and/or Kaylee are his teammates.

 
This post from AJ gives me a headache. Setting up lynches for tomorrow, and now he's voting Bob for having most votes anc close to deadline, when apparantly AJ had him pegged as scum from his first post. Se below.
 

 

 

 

I'm voting Lenlo cause he's my best choice for scum.

Lol, yeah. Lynch this one.

 

Is there a reason you didn't grab this quote as well? It was directly on the same page.

@Kaylee - I had NB listed as a scum read from the get go. I think the reasons were glaringly obvious so I didn't state them. I unvoted him to question both because he was at L-2 and I was trying to avoid a quick pile up in case my suspicions were wrong. You yourself contributed to how quickly he was hammered after I revoted him.

 

I know I did, now I'm glad as he was scum. I had my work vote in there as well to be looked at. I was quoting the votes with the reasons listed. I used the ones you had with the votes themselves. What I found curious, and you just pointed out, is that you thought he was scum, then unvoted to ask his reasoning, then re-voted with the reasons you gave. Yes you did make the above post as well, but if you were voting him because you thought he was scum, why say it's because of DL and because he's the longest train. Why list reasons other than something stating your suspicions?

 

Bolded: Easy to list someone as scum if you're on the same team. It's called busing. Otherwise, I agree with Kaylee in this post, eplanations that doesn't ad up and conflict.
 
Ok if there's something that's not possible to understand here, let me know and I'll clear it up tomorrow. After some hours of sleep. Sleeeep.

 

 
She votes me the next day anyway and comes down hard on me for the rest of the day. 
Then doesn't bring up the point at all the next day when nobody picked it up and starts voting dap and len, keeping me in the sidelines. Of her three "suspects", two have flipped as town.
  

Personally I think the last mafia is ether Pral, Dap or Len. I don't think Kaylee is mafia, AJ tried too hard.

 

She drops a lot of town tells in between. Which I kind of speculated she was town. 

 

On a re-read however, I could see the connections - how she sets up the bus argument while doing it herself; going against dap, len and me while consistently calling Kaylee town; after killing dap and len, brings back her focus on me

[Pralaya]

However, I am more suspicious about Kaylee. I have made my case on her earlier. Nothing more to add to it. 
 
Her latest posts seem more townish but I will have to doubt it at this point of time. My vote right now would be on her.
 
vote Kaylee

[csarmi]

I don't understand Pral, you seem to finish your Mish case, from what I read you're concluding she's scum, then vote Kaylee.

 

What gives?

[csarmi]

Gonna start a re-read now.

[michellem]

I don't understand Pral, you seem to finish your Mish case, from what I read you're concluding she's scum, then vote Kaylee.

 

What gives?

 

He's mafia and don't wanna give me an OMGUS-vote? *shrugs* Doesn't make sense to me neither.

[Pralaya]

I don't understand Pral, you seem to finish your Mish case, from what I read you're concluding she's scum, then vote Kaylee.

 

What gives?

No, I have a strong scum read on kaylee and I have detailed it before. Just didn't repeat it.

 

Like I said, I am frankly lost between the two. Both of them have strong scum tells

[Pralaya]

Oh, look at that. An opportunistic move by mish.

[michellem]

You call me opportunistic? You're the one building a case, basically call me mafia, and then put your vote on someone else. You just made sure you could follow Csarmi onto whoever he votes.

[csarmi]

So 111. Is ot significant I wonder.

[Pralaya]

You call me opportunistic? You're the one building a case, basically call me mafia, and then put your vote on someone else. You just made sure you could follow Csarmi onto whoever he votes.

I made cases on both and voting where my suspicion is. You are just trying to misdirect others, especially where the question was not directed at you.

[michellem]

Oh apologies, I'll make sure to only comment on posts that are directed at me and nothing else from now on.

[Pralaya]

Only when you are trying to force an opinion on something not directed to you. It was a clear manipulative talk.

 

You know what. The last few replies of Mish has come out obviously opportunistic and that is the last straw

 

unvote vote mish

[csarmi]

Pray, you came going back and forth between:

 

- "both seem town to me"

- "now both have very string scumtells"

- "Mish is more susp but lemme vote Kay"

- "now Mish made the last straw"

 

what next?