Greek Mythology: Man Vs. Gods [Advanced] - GAME OVER - TOWN WINS!

[csarmi]

 

No, we do not know that Mish is either scum or town.

Try reading the quote of yours I quoted - or would you prefer that people not see.

 

you say Typo ... I say slip.

 

I wasn't talking about this statement.

 

I stand by this one, I'll restate it for you:

 

No, we do not know that Mish is either scum or town.

 

(there's a third possibility - that she's neither)

[csarmi]

It's everywhere ... it's in everything that people say and do. Nothing is confirmed apart from Hallia. Everything could be one thing or it's exact opposite.

 

You keep on trying to be reasonable ... it's not working.

I'm always reasonable.

[csarmi]

It's everywhere ... it's in everything that people say and do. Nothing is confirmed apart from Hallia. Everything could be one thing or it's exact opposite.

That's completely true. But then why are you talking about wifom in my post in particular?

[Ithillian Turambar]

I'm tired of playing your word games.

 

adios.

[csarmi]

And I'm playing word games?!

[_CLOUD]

Cloud's the most suspicious to me. He defended Despo early on, tried to start something on Ithi, and also Basel, who flipped town.

I wasn't the only one who was suspicious about Ithi and later Basel, and at least I provided solid reasonings for my reads as opposed to just random votes. And yes I thought that Despo was town at the start of the game, but that also quickly changed after I noticed the titan thing.

 

Everyone listen up: I think I probably know what happened last Night... I'm a Clumsy Switch; every night I'll randomly switch off one PR (can hit either team). I'm not told wich ofc, or can choose; it's a passive role I have no control over. So my guess is I stopped Thorum's vig kill.

 

I'm revealing this now because choose to beleive Thorum for now (Krak or Song could be the real vig and haven't been on to CC yet, but until they get on and potenially do so, I'll give Thorum the benefit of the doubt), and I think it's unfair that he should get lynched over a factor he didn't know about.

 

 

 

 

Now, Cloud:

Des defended YOU, trying to brush away my push on you re:Wombat. Get it now?

 

 

Oh and Cloud is obv scum btw. Trying to agree with everything a lot are saying now, and his reasons for voting me are just awful.

 

CSarllamaee saying he's not a god after MCS said he was one seems extremely sketchy to me. Pretty sure he's sc as well. Both he and Wombat are defending the idea that Dice's Lover could be town the most.

 

Wombat, you know that it is a good possibility Dice's Lover is mafia. Most Lover pairs we've seen lately have been the town/mafia kinda. Additionally, Dice said that his Lover's claimed character didn't seem to have a connection to him. So apparently they're lying to him as well. What more do you need?

 

And someone touched on this earlier, but I think there could be a possibility that Dice's Lover is not only scum, but is a powerfully roles scum as Dice's counterpart. This idea is making more and more sense to me the more I think about it. Still think the best thing would be to lynch Dice's Lover today. Lynching me would get rid of a vettable role as well as one which could be a thorn to the mafia because of my item. Yalls choice tho.

 

First Des is saying Cloud is scummy...

 

I don't see the logic there Mish. Its based on a previous event and the assumption of that events reoccurance. Not likely or deoendable enough to warrant pause really. Hell, I forgot they were on a team together already.

 

And half a page later he soft defends him.

 

 

For those who don't remember.

 

 

.......

 

You know, you should really stop trying to case me in this game because right now you are just looking for things to throw at me, and it seems like it doesn't even matter anymore that you are building your case on false information too.

 

And your role sounds more like a negative utility for town than anything else, and couple that with Dice's reveal that you aren't town makes me think that you are third party.

 

 

Unvote, Vote Mish

 

 

1) I didn't ask WHY you suggested Speelynching ("Trap"). I asked Why ME, and why THEN.

 

2) And I know exactly what I am asking for sunshine, and leave my questions for Dice please and thank you. I'm trying to ascertain something and you have NO idea what my questions are getting at. So hush.

 

Why you and why then? It's simple. You were in the spotlight the, and everyone was suspicious of you because you were "pinging" which I found to be rather amusing. You seemed like a good target for such a trap.

 

 

 

 

@THORUM - why are you directing us onto cloud tomorrow? I'm still yet to see any actual case. All you say is that he is a liar because nobody counter claimed your vig-ness? I guess I'll spot it on the reread if it is so damn clear, eh?

 

My reasoning to vote Cloud is on his voting behaviour at the end of day one. Nothing to do with the absence of a counterclaim... And now Cloud says Mish is mafia or third party, so that's more important. Cloud can wait another day.

 

Where are you getting the bolded even from? I didn't say anything like that. If you want to falsely accuse me of things I have said or done, at least try to find some quotes or something. I also don't understand why I must be lying if you aren't the Vig? I swear you aren't making any kind of sense this game.

[Ithillian Turambar]

yes.

 

I would say that a Typo is getting a wrong letter in a word ... not typing out a wrong word completely. You posted that you would prefer to Lynch a Town.

 

You also posted that we did NOT know if Mish was TOWN. But you also say you believe in Dice's Role and Dice states that the Role Mish Claimed is NOT TOWN.

 

Therefore you should believe that she is not Town.

 

 

If there is a real Vig in this Game ... I hope they shoot you.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I wish Cloud had not just said he had made a 'trap'

 

>.>

 

I was almost starting to feel good about him because Mish was voting him early.

[michellem]

And I'm tired of you talking about me like I'm stupid, Ithi. I'm a PERSON, ok? With feelings. Do try to remember that sometime, will you? I'm not some robot made for accepting Ithi-snarks just because you feel like it.
 
 

Mish, that second quote was from Darthe.

'Tis what happens when I post at 2am and people have switched avatars. Right now I'm not sure if I've mixed them up the whole time on that quote. If I survive this Day, I'll go back and look again.

 
 

 

Dice finally asks the Coroner question ... and is told it doesn't exist.

Very interesting.


People keep asking Why would a Mafia Team tie themselves together ... I think the answer is that if they pull it off then they can stay safe to the end and by then it's too late to do anything about it.


As soon as you start accepting things at face value in this game you are screwed. Stop with the Roles and believings and look at how people are actually playing. Seriously.

 Oooh look at this. Abotu half a page after ithi says "Let's kill Mish, she has a stupid role and she'll get me killed with her stupidness", she says "oh ignore roles, roles aren't that important". Good double morale there Ithi.

 

@Dice: could you ask the alignment of the clumsy switch?

Ithi & Berf - why would you want to lynch Mish?
She looks town, she seems to be telling the truth and just because her role might hurt town (not just maffia), you would waste a lynch?

@Mish: are you town?

 

No, I'm third party. Survivor clumsy switch. Win by surviving until endgame. I'm a human.
 

I think the Oracle is a Scam.

And even if she is Town - I don't want my Protect to fail one Night because of her alleged Role. She is setting up for there to be an accidental blocking that ends up with me dead.

But you all carry on.

I'm working now.

I may start lurking and let you all just play on.

 

Really Ithi. So you think you are such a danger to the mafia, that they will keep trying to kill you every single night and just hope and pray that my switch hits you?

 

 

 

 

Thorum is lying - IE you ain't a Vig. I don't see why Cloud is wrapped up in this and he becomes a liar too, if this is the case? What did I miss?
Praya is lying - Praya is roled of some sort.
Cloud is lying - wasn't even one of my options. Why are you putting words in my mouth?

 
- If I ain't a vig, cloud is lying. THis because no one counterclaimed Vig (well, except me ... )
- which role could praya have that would prevent him from dying?
- You wanted all options, even the ridiculous ones. This option is just as unvalid as the other two.

 

I don't understand how Cloud comes to the picture.

But possible ways for the no NK (not regarding Mish claim):

- Thorum is Vig ad shot Pralaya, thus Pralaya is maffia with a BPV / NK immunity or a maffia who has been protected by a maffia healer (having a healer on the maffia team is quite normal for games with Vig)
- Thorum is not Vig, in this case the real Vig must have shot Thorum (why wouldn't they), thus Thorum is maffia with a BPV / NK immunity or a maffia who has been protected by a maffia healer (having a healer on the maffia team is quite normal for games with Vig)
 

Retried the maths. As long as there are more roled town than roled "mafia + third party", the odds that Mish is bad for town are greater than that Mish is bad for mafia. I guess that's a save assumption. By quite a margin.
 
unvote and vote Mish

That's a completely faulty logic.
First of all, the maffia roles are usually much more important/powerful/effective because of two reasons:

1) They can use them more effectively because they can coordinate their actions on a QT. Having one of those failed can mess up their plans bigtime.
2) Maffia relies on roles / kills (night actions), while town relies on lynch. Lynches can't be blocked.
3) Maffia roles are unknown (they aren't gonna claim them)

Secondly, we don't even know if we have more roles available than the maffia.
Also, having some of those be turned off is not a big deal cause the maffia will NOT know which ones would work. For instance, it would be a very foolish idea of them to try and shoot Ithi just because there is some chance of the doc role getting switched off.

Also, let's go with play.
Cloud is scummy as hell.
Mish played quite town-line.

= lynch Cloud

 

 

Finally someone who speaks sense here.

 

Wich roles do we KNOW town has right now? (if we accept all claims as legit)

-A doc, who protects as Night, Ithi has already said she will protect herself and only herself (see my question about on why she's paranoid about my role)

-An oracle, who can work at all times, day and night. (Can just ask a question again later)

-A vig, who's claimed no x-shots as far as I can remember, so unlimited shots

-Innocent child, passive role, nothing at all would happen should that get switched off

 

Please do tell me exactly all the horrible things should I end up switching one of these off. Need I remind you that my role has already done a GOOD thing; Thorum shooting Pral was not a very wise move; even if he was mafia, it wouldn't have told us very much about the other mafias.

 

Of course there'll be more town roles than this. But we are 14 players left. 3 are mafia, wich I'm betting has some pretty darn strong roles. 1 is me. 4 players have roles that honestly doesn't matter much if are switched off. That leaves 6 town players in the unknown. Let's say worst case, this is a kitchen sink game, so all those 6 are roles. It gives us 7 people I don't see as very dangerouns to switch off, in fact, 3 of those we want to turn off. 6 unknowns. Heck, for all I know, I can even switch myself off. But right now, the number of roles that doesn't matter much if gets switched off, is bigger than the number of unknown potentially better roles for town.

 

I think we are all getting sidetracked by the issue. I think mish claim is fine (I am guessing Cassandra).

Anyway, assuming what mish said is true, I am not sure why berf wants an info lynch. If that happens, he will want to lynch me, thorum and mish one after another and it is very much probable that we will all flip town. We will be playing right into scum hands.

I might as well vote someone who I think as scum rather than vote a town because of her ability.
unvote vote cloud

 

WHY do you insist on talking about characters? I can't character claim because of the rules, so whyyyyy do you keep bringing it up? It has NO USE!
 

Mish - please full claim now.

 

Jesus Christ give me time to actually WAKE UP will you? I can't claim when I'm sleeping.
 

Also, if Mish is indeed 3rd party, I'd expect a very thorough explanation on why she omitted that info when claiming Clumsy Switch.

 

Because I'm also a survivor, and third parties gets killed as soon as they claim. Savvy?
 

 

Unless dice is lying, Mish is on the mafia team. What else matters? Terribly easy to check, especially with her bad-for-town claimed role. We lynch Mish. And Cloud tomorrow.

I also don't see what you mean by "full claim" (don't remember who asked, tbh). Mish's claim sounded quite full imo.

Setting up Lynches again?

Mish placed a lame vote on Cloud, remember?

 

 

Can you stop?!
 

 

As currently I believe that the clumsy switch role can hurt maffia more than town, I'd say that yea, I think we should keep pressuring Cloud (and others).
We can always go back to Mish as a potential safe lynch.

Normally, it could be. But the mafia is already one PR down. So, she is most likely to affect town now.

 

 

This is a mafia turkey, argh. Do the maths, instead of just showing around random statements that you clearly haven't thought through.

 

 

 

 

But please, just lynch me. I really can't stand Ithi's attitude toward me this game. I have no idea what I've done to you Ithi, but whatever. Get me lynched and you'll be happy because you'll live, and I'll be happy because I won't have to live with being called stupid or similar the whole game.

[Thorum]

 

. And now Cloud says Mish is mafia or third party,

 

Where are you getting the bolded even from? I didn't say anything like that. If you want to falsely accuse me of things I have said or done, at least try to find some quotes or something. I also don't understand why I must be lying if you aren't the Vig? I swear you aren't making any kind of sense this game.

 

Typo. Dice.

[csarmi]

yes.

 

I would say that a Typo is getting a wrong letter in a word ... not typing out a wrong word completely. You posted that you would prefer to Lynch a Town.

I don't know what's the word for typing out a whole word wrong. English is not my base language.

From the post that's evidently an "error" - just read the rest of it.

 

You also posted that we did NOT know if Mish was TOWN. But you also say you believe in Dice's Role and Dice states that the Role Mish Claimed is NOT TOWN.

I posted no such thing. It's not my fault that you don't understand logical statements (and that you took it out of context).

It's obviously my fault that I would think people would read logical statements properly though. I'll try to explain you.

 

Thorum said that "we know that Mish is either Maffia or town".

I denied that statement - we do not know such thing. We know that Mish is a) Maffia, b) Town or c) 3rd party.

That's an important difference, wouldn't you say so?

 

Therefore you should believe that she is not Town.

Are you even reading me? I'll quote myself for you:

 

Berf, currently I believe Dice is town, his lover is town and Mish is a survivor with a clumsy switch role.

 

Lynching a survivor is not free.

 

It costs a player who

• wins with town
• is confirmed unless counter-claimed

It's not necessarily a bad call, but not a good call either.

 

I don't think this post is in any way unclear. Yes, I believe Mish is not town.

[Ithillian Turambar]

And I'm tired of you talking about me like I'm stupid, Ithi. I'm a PERSON, ok? With feelings. Do try to remember that sometime, will you? I'm not some robot made for accepting Ithi-snarks just because you feel like it.

But please, just lynch me. I really can't stand Ithi's attitude toward me this game. I have no idea what I've done to you Ithi, but whatever. Get me lynched and you'll be happy because you'll live, and I'll be happy because I won't have to live with being called stupid or similar the whole game.

Please show me where I have said you were stupid? Because I haven't. I said you had made a weak reason for your vote on Cloud. That is something that is part of the game. I don't believe it was weak because you are stupid ... but because you are not Town and you didn't want to be called out on it. An ambiguous reason is therefore the best choice.

 

The other things I have said all relate to your alleged role in the game.

 

I have not made any snarky comments or any comments at all about how you are playign the game since you advised you were unhappy with my earlier thoughts.

 

Likewise with what you are saying to me now. I'm having an horrific time at present and this is really enough. I have tried to stay and play. But you are just being plain horrible.

 

I would like to be replaced immediately.

 

Thank you for making my last Game and possible post in DM so absolutely horrendous.

 

Everyone else. Have a great game. Maybe I will see you on the otherside.

 

And I'm editing because I can because I can't be modkilled and I don;t see the point of making a separate post to clarify what I think a weak vote is. I've certainly never thought of Mish as anyone other than someone who plays mafia. Why she feels I single her out for special treatment is beyond me. She is just words on a page ... same as the majority of you. No better or no worse than anyone else.

 

I thank those who gave kind words. Goodbye.

[Thorum]

Thanks, Mish.

 

unvote

 

Dice, does town win if the survivor stays alive? Does the survivor get counted as town in the "mafia outnumbering town" win condition for mafia?

[ReleaseTheEvil]

People can we all try to relax a bit? This is a game. Please try to avoid making things or even taking things personally. You are all playing a role in a game.

[csarmi]

@Ithi:

 

Why are you having a bad time?

[berf]

I don't buy this for a second, and Thorum not one hour ago you agreed the role was too dangerous to live.

 

Gone.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Official Vote Count

 

Cloud (5/8): Wombat, Mish, Csarmi, Hallia, Tina,

 

Mish (5/8): Ithi, Berf, Dice, Pral, Cloud

 

Not Voting:Darthe, Krak, Song, Thorum

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

 

Deadline here!

[csarmi]

Ithi, if in some way I offended you, I apologize.

 

Please don't drop out of the game - I'm sure we all love playing with you.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Ithi has asked to be replaced. I will look for one now.

[csarmi]

Mish - I asked you to claim in big letters because I didn't want you to miss it and I found it very important that you do so immediatly.

I had no idea you would be sleeping at this time. My bad.

[_CLOUD]

People can we all try to relax a bit? This is a game. Please try to avoid making things or even taking things personally. You are all playing a role in a game.

 

I agree with RTE. We are all experienced mafia players and I know that nobody here wants to give each other a hard time during a game which we all play for fun. You need to treat everything as gameplay.

 

 

*edited

[csarmi]

Cloud, should I be treating you telling me to shut up as part of the gameplay?

[ReleaseTheEvil]

 

People can we all try to relax a bit? This is a game. Please try to avoid making things or even taking things personally. You are all playing a role in a game.

 

I agree with RTE. We are all experienced mafia players and I know that nobody here wants to give each other a hard time during a game which we all play for fun. You need to treat everything as gameplay.

 

 

@Ithi:

 

Why are you having a bad time?

 

Shut up.

 

 

Cloud, the second part of your post makes me think you missed the point. I'll let you edit it.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

I think maybe we need to take a few deep breaths or step away from the game for a second and regain our composure a bit.

 

I know we are competitive and things get heated but at the end of the day this is a game and we are all just playing it to win, some just to have fun and enjoy it. Nothing about it should be personal or rude.

[Thorum]

RTE, maybe you could just lock the topic for a day or so?

 

Would let everyone (myself included) think about it, and would give others the chance to catch up.