Ten days after Samhain, 1057: Night 5 (CONCLUDED)

[serra]

 

What does RVS stand for?

 

Oh, sorry. RVS stands for Random Voting Stage, which basically refers to the baseless votes placed early in the game to kickstart some sort of discussion.

[csarmi]

 

What does RVS stand for?

Oh, sorry. RVS stands for Random Voting Stage, which basically refers to the baseless votes placed early in the game to kickstart some sort of discussion.

 

Yea. And you guys wanna lynch me in three threads cause I kickstarted the game with some RVS-play (yea the "it's a trap was" RVS-play too). It doesn't pay to play constructive on this site. JUst go and hide, you'll be better off.

[Leelou]

 

 

What does RVS stand for?

Oh, sorry. RVS stands for Random Voting Stage, which basically refers to the baseless votes placed early in the game to kickstart some sort of discussion.

 

Yea. And you guys wanna lynch me in three threads cause I kickstarted the game with some RVS-play (yea the "it's a trap was" RVS-play too). It doesn't pay to play constructive on this site. JUst go and hide, you'll be better off.

 

 

You're the one that made the bridge across the 3 threads with your identical posts and making bandwagons. 

[csarmi]

The bridge is a good idea, however.

 

Not playing the game, just sheepvoting isn't.

[Leelou]

I am playing the game. I'm watching for scummy behaviors. Also, your lynches will give us something to go on from each thread as to how people reacted in the different threads. 

[csarmi]

I am playing the game. I'm watching for scummy behaviors. Also, your lynches will give us something to go on from each thread as to how people reacted in the different threads.

I know you are, Leelou. But how many non-voters do we have?

 

BTW, how could someone believe that I'd dare do this play if I wasn't vanilla town (or something very close to that) in every thread is still beyond me. Cause that's the main reason I did this.

[Tiinker]

 

Scummy play?

@Razen: Nolder wasn't doing the same thing that Csarmi was doing. Now everyone is doing it though with voting for Csarmi in all three threads, but that is just a reaction to his scummy play.

Scummy play? Being a little bit too oppurtunistic, aren't you? I've placed a trio of obvious joke votes. Getting a lot of action on it is something I really like. Cause discussion helps town.

Your argument is interesting - and scummy.

 

 

So you say that early play and a lot of discussion helps town, but then you call my reasoning for voting for you scummy? I also find it amusing that you first mention that your votes across the three threads were a trap, and then it was just a townie move because they have nothing to hide, and now they are joke votes? Make up your mind dude.

 

 

You look a bit overeager. 

[Tiinker]

If you're being voted by the same people for the same reason then I don't understand why it's more unlikely than likely for him to respond in a different manner each time. You're conclusions are a bit of a jump imo. His answers here have convinced me not to vote him. I'll see in the next thread.
 

Hey y'all. I read the three threads and I gotta say that, for the most part, I have to agree with what Nolder, Yates, and people have been saying. We'll probably have about 5/6 scum per thread, which is about 1/4. If we can identify someone who is certainly scum in at least one of the games, our optimal strategy is to start lynching him in the game in which he is scummiest. If he flips scum, it isn't particularly likely that he'll flip scum again, so it's better to refocus on someone else, whereas if he flips town, that only increases the chance of him being scum in the other games.

 

As to Cserna: he deliberately started his three threads in the same manner - with the exact same phrasing, in fact. If he were town in all three threads, his natural thought process wouldn't be to determine how to convince people of the fact that he is the same in all three, but rather he would react naturally and fluidly to what had been posted. His uniformity across the threads is forced as f anything. I'm certain he's scum in at least one of his threads, if not two, so starting by lynching him in his scummiest thread is really our best move at this point.


 

[Leelou]

 

I am playing the game. I'm watching for scummy behaviors. Also, your lynches will give us something to go on from each thread as to how people reacted in the different threads.

I know you are, Leelou. But how many non-voters do we have?

 

BTW, how could someone believe that I'd dare do this play if I wasn't vanilla town (or something very close to that) in every thread is still beyond me. Cause that's the main reason I did this.

 

 

What are the vote counts? @MODS we need vote counts more frequently. It's already hard enough to keep up with 3 games at once with the same players. 

[Verbal32]

 

I am playing the game. I'm watching for scummy behaviors. Also, your lynches will give us something to go on from each thread as to how people reacted in the different threads.

I know you are, Leelou. But how many non-voters do we have?

 

BTW, how could someone believe that I'd dare do this play if I wasn't vanilla town (or something very close to that) in every thread is still beyond me. Cause that's the main reason I did this.

 

 

Dude.....no way you thought about that before making the posts.  This is blatant backtracking.

[Nolder]

Serra wouldn't it be against Darthe's rules to claim which game you are scum in in a game where you are town?

Your "other self" isn't supposed to know what you are in each other game...right? Or am I overthinking what he said about the cop thing?

[Leelou]

UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 3: 

Salami (10/12): Leelou, Cloud, Nol, Yates, Verb, Ishy, Razen , BG, Dap, Krak

Chuckles(1/12): Salami

 

Verbal (1/12): Crush

 

Not Voting (11/23): 
Chuckles, Mish, Hally, Lenlo, Des, Peace, Tiink, Tina, Ree, Pral, Serra

[Tiinker]

Serra wouldn't it be against Darthe's rules to claim which game you are scum in in a game where you are town?

Your "other self" isn't supposed to know what you are in each other game...right? Or am I overthinking what he said about the cop thing?

 

Yeah but he can still claim in the thread that he IS scum, that he's scum. 

[Leelou]

The whole not having to unvote before voting is going to confuse me. I just need to see the vc's, don't expect me to do them all day. 

[csarmi]

Dude.....no way you thought about that before making the posts.  This is blatant backtracking.

Of course I did.

[Nolder]

 

Serra wouldn't it be against Darthe's rules to claim which game you are scum in in a game where you are town?

Your "other self" isn't supposed to know what you are in each other game...right? Or am I overthinking what he said about the cop thing?

 

Yeah but he can still claim in the thread that he IS scum, that he's scum. 

 

Oh that's true I guess. It's just weird to actually consider the possibility of scum claiming as a legit tactic.

 

But on that note...isn't that playing against your win condition? Sacrificing yourself and screwing your partners to save yourself in other games smacks of breaching spirit of the game doesn't it? It does to me anyway. I expect we'll see a lot of these kinds of things come up as we progress.

[csarmi]

 

 

I am playing the game. I'm watching for scummy behaviors. Also, your lynches will give us something to go on from each thread as to how people reacted in the different threads.

I know you are, Leelou. But how many non-voters do we have?

 

BTW, how could someone believe that I'd dare do this play if I wasn't vanilla town (or something very close to that) in every thread is still beyond me. Cause that's the main reason I did this.

 

 

Dude.....no way you thought about that before making the posts.  This is blatant backtracking.

 

(1) I was sure it would get attention and I thought it likely that it would initiate trains. I thought there would be competing ones, though. The scum would be likely to find reasons to get on the trains, but see (2)

 

(2) I was sure that it would bridge the topics. I considered it good for town, for reasons stated earlier - scum are more likely to get caught up cause they have to create a web of lies. I underestimated how one sided (tunneling) this could make the game, however. Also, while I do have some reads on people, they're too general - I don't know which thread they are scum at.

 

(3) I was sure it would be a risky move, but being more or less roleless town in all my games, I thought it would be a risk worth taking. I wouldn't have dared to play this with conflicting alignments.

[csarmi]

 

 

Serra wouldn't it be against Darthe's rules to claim which game you are scum in in a game where you are town?

Your "other self" isn't supposed to know what you are in each other game...right? Or am I overthinking what he said about the cop thing?

 

Yeah but he can still claim in the thread that he IS scum, that he's scum.

 

Oh that's true I guess. It's just weird to actually consider the possibility of scum claiming as a legit tactic.

 

But on that note...isn't that playing against your win condition? Sacrificing yourself and screwing your partners to save yourself in other games smacks of breaching spirit of the game doesn't it? It does to me anyway. I expect we'll see a lot of these kinds of things come up as we progress.

 

Yup, I was thinking about that though and I don't think I'd make such a play even if it might net me points in general. You play your team.

[Tiinker]

 

 

Serra wouldn't it be against Darthe's rules to claim which game you are scum in in a game where you are town?

Your "other self" isn't supposed to know what you are in each other game...right? Or am I overthinking what he said about the cop thing?

 

Yeah but he can still claim in the thread that he IS scum, that he's scum. 

 

Oh that's true I guess. It's just weird to actually consider the possibility of scum claiming as a legit tactic.

 

But on that note...isn't that playing against your win condition? Sacrificing yourself and screwing your partners to save yourself in other games smacks of breaching spirit of the game doesn't it? It does to me anyway. I expect we'll see a lot of these kinds of things come up as we progress.

 

 

You choose... oh, and you might want to decide quickly, because the people on the other boat might not be so noble.. /joker

[csarmi]

One more note and then I really get back to work.

 

PLAY

[Lenlo]

 

I am playing the game. I'm watching for scummy behaviors. Also, your lynches will give us something to go on from each thread as to how people reacted in the different threads.

I know you are, Leelou. But how many non-voters do we have?

 

BTW, how could someone believe that I'd dare do this play if I wasn't vanilla town (or something very close to that) in every thread is still beyond me. Cause that's the main reason I did this.

 

Im sorry but I dont trust anything in a post where a person has to say "Well if I wasnt/was this then why would I do that?" to explain their stuff. To me its an attempt to cop out on actually explaining and trying to cover your ass by basically saying "Only stupid people would do this and you know im not stupid.". In short its crap.

 

Also non voting is just fine this early, or would you prefer we all just follow the train and insta lynch you the moment someone brought up your scummy posts?

[csarmi]

I'd prefer you start trains. Point out what you find scummy and vote. We have half the players not voting.

[csarmi]

This way we're on the course of skipping Day 1.

[serra]

Serra wouldn't it be against Darthe's rules to claim which game you are scum in in a game where you are town?

Your "other self" isn't supposed to know what you are in each other game...right? Or am I overthinking what he said about the cop thing?

 

But claiming in the other thread where you are scum is fine. It's the only rational solution if town-you is about to be lynched, really (so long as the town's threat to continue lynching you is credible), since you're choosing between

 

a) we lynch your current slot, and then your next slot

and

b) you tell us your next slot is scum and we keep this one alive

 

It might feel wrong to claim scum in one game to save yourself in another, but you'll get lynched in the scum-game regardless, you're just anticipating it to save your town-self.

[csarmi]

 

Serra wouldn't it be against Darthe's rules to claim which game you are scum in in a game where you are town?

Your "other self" isn't supposed to know what you are in each other game...right? Or am I overthinking what he said about the cop thing?

 

But claiming in the other thread where you are scum is fine. It's the only rational solution if town-you is about to be lynched, really (so long as the town's threat to continue lynching you is credible), since you're choosing between

 

a) we lynch your current slot, and then your next slot

and

b) you tell us your next slot is scum and we keep this one alive

 

It might feel wrong to claim scum in one game to save yourself in another, but you'll get lynched in the scum-game regardless, you're just anticipating it to save your town-self.

 

Is it, now?

 

Why would claiming scum in thread A raise your credibility in thread B?

Why would you care more about staying alive then helping your team? Is this game about survival?