Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game 1 - Destiny Islands [Mafia Win!]

[Yates]

Oh well. Be well, scummers!

 

 

[seriously, Des, good game. You almost had me fooled. If you hadn't been so obvious about picking off people with Town reads on me, you might have even gotten me mislynched. Better luck next time, bro!]

[hazelkrs1]

Lol you're such a jackhole Yates. I was on my way, and just arrived at work. Didn't realize I had to give you my full schedule while playing mafia

 

Also, speaking of which, you freaking KNOW I mostly post at night and sleep during the day, you were my mafia teammate recently when you found this out. Trying to act like I'm pulling off disappearing acts when you know when I'm most active is just awfully underhanded of you. You're literally trying everything you can to try and make me look scummy.

 

More thoughts coming in a sec

[Yates]

Also, speaking of which, you freaking KNOW I mostly post at night and sleep during the day

Oh right. I forgot to check my little black book where I keep notes on the sleep schedules of everyone I play with - even though you were JUST ON. My bad.

[Yates]

Alright. I seriously need to stop with the sarcastic eyerolls. I'm just sleepy. But seriously, that was a weak attempt at a discredit. Were you thinking maybe I had actually gone to bed for the evening? I'm Bruce Wayne, kid!

[hazelkrs1]

 

Also, speaking of which, you freaking KNOW I mostly post at night and sleep during the day

Oh right. I forgot to check my little black book where I keep notes on the sleep schedules of everyone I play with - even though you were JUST ON. My bad.

Sadly, the 24 hr deadlines have forced me to check in more often than I usually do. Wife isn't happy with this btw, she doesn't like me.being on mafia all night at home. Go ahead, bring out the "whipped" comments .

 

But, I figured I owed it to Nolder for almost quitting on him earlier in the game, so I've tried to check in as often as I can, and try to make the wife happy in "other" ways.

 

[Yates]

Save it. In the same boat. That's why we homebrewers call her SWMBO [she who must be obeyed!].

 

And if you're getting whipped? That's... kinky. And kinda awesome.

[Yates]

*Yates buckles up in anticipation of awesome rebuttal post*

[hazelkrs1]

Still working on the draft btw. Honestly tho I don't think were going to be able to secure a lynch on anyone tonight. Not enough active voters on.

[Yates]

Still working on the draft btw. Honestly tho I don't think were going to be able to secure a lynch on anyone tonight. Not enough active voters on.

That is unacceptable.

[Hallia]

I'm the wife, and we both spend quality time...side by side on our computers

[Yates]

Wait a tick.

...you were my mafia teammate recently...

There were a lot of D's in that game. I've been thinking it was me, DPR, and DAP the whole time! So how on God's green Earth could YOU possibly have a scum read on me??!!

 

Did I ever buddy any of you guys? Even a LITTLE bit? HELL NO. I buddied Wombat and rode that [and an awesome fakeclaim] to victory. How does my play here compare in ANY WAY to my scum play??

 

Dude. That's messed up.

[Yates]

I'm the wife, and we both spend quality time...side by side on our computers

We do that too. It's only weird if you start doing some "virtual" stuff when you can just roll over.

[Hallia]

o.o

[Yates]

*shrug* Just making conversation while Des tries to dig himself out of this hole he's in.

 

Besides, we have 13 hours - which is more than half the day. Why would he assume we are going to no lynch?

[hazelkrs1]

Very sweet.  Is Des scum or am I omgus-ing?

 

You're omgusing. And you're scum.

 

 

 

Day 1 - [Long forgotten]

 

 

 

 

 

File this under DESPO IN MAFIA COVER MODE. heh

Don't give me away DPR! Our gambit is too obvious!

 

Interesting way to set up a fake distance right off the bat so if one of them got nailed the other can say "OBVIOUSLY we aren't aligned per this joke right here!"

 

Then he starts casting doubt on his scum buddy on the same page:

 

 

 

@DPR: if you were half-joking, I'm twice as awesome as you cause I was completely joking. Sad you didn't pick up on that.

 

Also, you seem awfully eager to start sowing discord in the game when its still N0...

Step 2 - find a strong Town to buddy.

 

 

 

I stole the words out of Darthe's mouth.

 

 

I think I need to go wash my hands now.

 

 

 

Darthe, should I be scared?

Check.

 

Step 3 - Have sacrificial goon attack the "buddies!"

 

 

 

I commented on Despo's post because he seemed to be trying too hard - something I just watched him do as mafia in the last game.

 

Darthe's post just seemed weird and out of nowhere, making me think he knew something about the game that hadn't been posted on the thread - like he'd made a mod request and had been denied.

 

It's 24 hours until night. These are my two best choices for scum so far. Gotta start somewhere.

 

Vote Despo

Step 4 - Kill anybody that might figure out the gambit.

 

 

 

Des, why were you ostensibly trying to encourage setup talk N0? That's pretty anti-town.

 

 

Des is always a bad guy.

Step 5 - Have buddy find an opportunity to unvote.

 

 

 

Unvote Despo - Vote Darthe.

Step 6 - Keep quiet and see how drama plays out.

 

 

 

Haven't caught up yet, at work tho I can in a bit

Step 7 - "Oh, they are finding my buddy scummy and have a wagon on him? Time to trash him then vote him toTown myself up!"

Post 228 - "Okay second rant. DPR, I wish I had never ended up playing in a game with you. I always had tons of fun in your games when you modded; you were widely considered the best mod on DM. As a player however, you sir are a douche and a half. Your like the least favorite parts of several players I know all rolled up into one d-bag. Quit being such a pompous arrogant clown man. Try some humility, it might taste funny at first but it sure does go down smooth in the long run."

Post 229 - "Vote Dpr"

Also of note? "I don't like Tina either."

 

Step 8 - Implement fakeclaim discussed in chat:

 

 

 

I'll post more in a bit in response to what I see happening and players setting up meta, etc. But for now, I'm the Beloved Princess.

Step 9 - Pretend to be baffled by fakeclaim so as to not raise suspicion:

 

 

 

Is that a character claim? I thought those were off limits...

 

 

If that's a role I'm not familiar with it

The irony here is this; isn't he one of the people busting my balls about not looking up "Symp" when Mish flipped? Oops.

 

And finally Step 10 - Feign distain at achieving no lynch Day 1:

 

 

 

Big surprise, we didn't achieve a lynch.

 

 

Knowing that DPR's claim was a role and not a character, it seems like waaaay too convenient a claim.

Now this claim he had never heard of is "waaay too convenient" because he understands it so well. Just found his excuse to restart the wagon that almost went through and cash in on my Town points!

 

 

 

This is just an awful, awful case Yates. It's as circumstantial as it gets. Much of it is quoting DPR and trying to show a link between me and him, when really no quote was needed. You could've just done what Verb did and said my emofest between me and DPR could have been staged (it wasn't, but I can understand how someone might suspect a gambit concerning it involved DPR). Either way you're not honestly presenting evidence against me with most of this stuff, you're quoting stuff and then trying to put your spin on it to make me look scummy. Notice how you setup this whole 12 10 step program for me, as if I had that formula for how I would play as scum this game and you just happened to figure it out?

 

Only things I really feel I need to respond directly to is that the two quotes you gave of me "buddying" to Darthe I was actually taking digs at him. As for the Beloved Princess claim, when I first saw it I honestly thought it was a character claim. I don't know the theme well at all, but it sounded like it could be from the game. Thus, I didn't look up the role at the time because I didn't think it was a role claim. Soon after I saw it explained on thread so there wasn't really a need to go look it up.

 

 

And this is on top of trying to push through the cop's lynch today in the hopes no one would notice.

 

THEN he has the gall to try to discredit ME for pointing out an L-1???

 

 

 

Oh look, now Yates is expressing caution for Verbals lynch, after earlier it was Verbal doing that for Mish

Suck it...

 

 

It's fine, I was just thinking that perhaps we should get a claim first to be on the safe side.

Might have been nice even if in this case the result ultimately would have been the same.

 

Agreed. Who are your top four?

 

Yeah. I reiterate, he can suck it. He's busted. There is ZERO Town reason to not wait for a claim. And even LESS reason to let an un-cced Cop claim sit at L-1 in a game with 24 hour days and distracted players. Screw that. Try to explain THAT away Desp...

 

 

I already did. With two scum down already, it would have been worth it to lose the Cop in trade for outing one of the last scum. Only preschoolers NEED to rely on cop reads to win games. Plus, I still did, and do, have plenty of reason to not trust Verb's claim.

 

 

 

Simplified case on Yates:

1. He could have tried faking that viewing on Mish as an attempt to derail DPR's lynch, not knowing Mish was a symp

2. He defended DPR's lynch more than anyone

3. Pleaded for us to vet DPR instead of lynching him

4. Acted bitter about DPR's lynch afterwards

5. Put out a sketchy, and convenient, Miller claim out there. Was cryptic about it too, said full claiming wouldn't have been a good idea

6. Why me=fry me. Got pretty defensive when he started seeing cases on him

7. Garbage reads, persisted on easier lynches like Hallia. Also recently started OMGUSing towards me

 

Vote Yates yall

Simplified rebuttal:

1. Making stuff up

2. Trying to pretend being wrong = scum while summarily ignoring the fact that it is mathematically impossible for the counterwagon to be entirely comprised of scum

3. Trying to pretend vetting a claim is antiTown - WHILE UNVOTING VERB TO VET HIS CLAIM!!!

4. Lie - acted annoyed at anti-Town play? Yes. Annoyed at lynch? Negative. Also ignoring the fact there is NO reason "scum Yates" would act bitter in thread. But pretend you don't see that.

5. Darthe knew what was up.

6. Let me once again throw out this catchy buzz word so people think it's something even though it's disproved time and time again and not worth the electricty it cost to light up the pixels in the word

7. Garbage reads - like nailing Mish?

 

Your "case" is a steaming pile of wifom, what if, and hooey. It is, in a word, a turd.

 

Nice try in editing out my actual points in the hopes people would forget about them. I took the liberty of adding them back in

 

1. Come on man. You know as well as I do that I can't "prove" that you did what you did to derail DPR's lynch, but I suggested it as a possibility, and you can't deny that it's a plausible move as scum trying to defend a teammate

2. First of all, I don't know where you got the thing about the countertrain being comprised entirely of scum from, you pulled that out of thin air mate. Second, once again don't try to act like I'm putting up quadratic equations here. You defended DPR hardcore. He flipped mafia. Not rocket science man.

3. Verb can attempt to vet his claim by seeing if he can nail a scum in a viewing. The only way to "vet" DPR's claim would have been to try and view him, and I already mentioned that mafia could have tried pulling hijinks with that. Fact is, DPR essentially claimed a non-vettable role to claim. Only way to see if he was lying was to lynch him. Which is why he used that claim

4. You might not have intentionally acted bitter, but you certainly seemed to bely that tone with your "yall got lucky" posts.

5. ??? Sketchy Miller claim was sketchy. Still is. Darthe has nothing to do with it. GJ trying to use a dead man to try and clear yourself somehow, since he can no longer speak for himself

6. Hasn't been disproved lately imo. Been pretty effective in fact.

7. Attempt to gain townie cred from Mish's flip denied- Someone nailing a symp gets as much townie cred as someone nailing a scum in a game with more than one scum team: which is to say none at all. You could have easily been going after someone not on your team to try and save DPR for another day, then afterwards acted like "oops, my bad. Was trying to catch scum yall!"

 

 

unvote

 

I really have a feeling that Yates or Despo is mafia.

 

I have to go with

 

Despo

 

I understand the reasons why he doubts Verbal's claim, but continuing to go after an un CC'd cop is meh.

If you understand my reasoning for doubting Verb's claim, why would you question why I continued pushing him? I don't play like Dap, as in go by the textbook in certain situations. I don't remove my vote from someone just cause they claim and no one CC's immediately. I take the claim for what it's worth, and appraise it in light of other info.

 

Fact is, Verb claimed to have viewed two different townies on the same night they HAPPENED to get NK'ed, and didn't want to divulge his N2 viewing. Doesn't that seem a little, actually, a LOT, sketchy to you?

 

Weak vote bro.

 

Hey Des, who started the Tinker mislynch yesterday then disappeared?

 

 

hrmmmmmm meh I guess I'll get a train started on Tiinker to mebbe set up some competing trains. Yates' case is a little... out there in some respects (not that I think it's weak at all), and Krak I think has a good case against him but not quite as strong as Verb or Tinkers.

 

Vote Tinker

Here's another question - why didn't you even bother to mention Tiinker in your catch up post? You know, since you were VOTING for him and started the wagon and all...

 

Oh - and how did the WHYMEFRYME thing work out with Tiinker? Glitch in the system?

 

Also like how you are lining up your lynches now that Darthe is your pal and chum. I mean, LITERALLY the next post:

Thought this would be worth posting. The Krak scum read looks like it could have been distancing to me...

 

/Brofist engaged

 

Oh, and can you explain why you disappeared AGAIN but were somehow on immediately after the mislynch to post THIS gem?

 

Tbh once I saw Yates saying we should lynch Hallia or Tink I was starting to think Tink might be town.

"Guise! I'm using my hindsight vision to tell you Tiinker is Town! Imma try to go back and time and save him but the game won't let me. Soooo sad."

 

I already explained my "disappearing" (very scummy of you again btw, to try and use that to discredit me).

 

When I was doing my catchup post, there wasn't anything new to say about Tiinker, but also it was starting to get a little later in the day again. I honestly wasn't feeling supremely confident in my vote on Tiinker at that point, but the nature of this game means there isn't a lot of time to deliberate on different trains.

 

And I don't think you addressed it here, but the whymefryme thing in reference to Tiinker: He did at least try casing others his last day. Unfortunately there wasn't really enough to go on to convince others of a diff train to attempt

[hazelkrs1]

 

I'm the wife, and we both spend quality time...side by side on our computers

We do that too. It's only weird if you start doing some "virtual" stuff when you can just roll over.

 

 

Huh? Are you saying I should solidly know your meta after being in ONE game with you?

 

 

*shrug* Just making conversation while Des tries to dig himself out of this hole he's in.

 

Besides, we have 13 hours - which is more than half the day. Why would he assume we are going to no lynch?

Do we really have that long? Mebbe we can end up seeing you swing after all

[hazelkrs1]

If we lynch Des and he flips Town - I will SELF VOTE.

If yall end up being dumb enough to lynch me, HOLD YATES TO THIS. Or at the very least just lynch him. Saying he'll self-vote in the "WILD OFFCHANCE Player X isn't scum" is another of the oldest tricks in the mafia member's books.

 

And Yates already admitted to thumbing through his copy of that book recently

[Krakalakachkn]

Why don't you two just kiss already?

[Yates]

This is just an awful, awful case Yates. It's as circumstantial as it gets.

 

...

 

Fact is, Verb claimed to have viewed two different townies on the same night they HAPPENED to get NK'ed, and didn't want to divulge his N2 viewing. Doesn't that seem a little, actually, a LOT, sketchy to you?

 

Weak vote bro.

I see. So all evidence against you just results in "weak case" or "weak vote?" Noted.

 

Also, circumstantial? Take a look at your "case" on me. Irony much? That's why it's called Cognitive Dissonance. You're doing stuff then claiming other people are doing that same stuff and claiming it's scummy. THAT is scummy!

 

Also, your point there about how the cop views were "sketchy" are completely out of line and a misrep. Verb was clearly picking up on the same cues you and your scum team were. I would have played cop differently but that doesn't mean my way is better [though I would have found DPR N1].

 

 

And this is on top of trying to push through the cop's lynch today in the hopes no one would notice.

 

THEN he has the gall to try to discredit ME for pointing out an L-1???

 

Failure to explain why he attempted to discredit me and call me scummy for waiting for a claim: noted.

 

Only preschoolers NEED to rely on cop reads to win games. Plus, I still did, and do, have plenty of reason to not trust Verb's claim.

Is this how you are going to try to sell the "let's kill the cop anyway" angle? Scummy as all get out.

 

And what are some of these myriad mystery reasons not to trust Verb's claim? Wow me.

 

Nice try in editing out my actual points in the hopes people would forget about them.

Say WHAT???!!! Now you are accusing me of editing your posts?!! Please... My posts are there for people to read clear as a bell. That's a HUGE lie on your part. Shame on you.

 

1. Come on man. You know as well as I do that I can't "prove" that you did what you did to derail DPR's lynch, but I suggested it as a possibility, and ]b]you can't deny that it's a plausible move as scum trying to defend a teammate[/b]

Sorry. Unacceptable. You know why?

This is just an awful, awful case Yates Des. It's as circumstantial as it gets.

2. First of all, I don't know where you got the thing about the countertrain being comprised entirely of scum from

You know EXACTLY where that's coming from and you're basically calling everyone in this game stupid for thinking they wont get it. You are saying I'm scum because I was defending DPR/not on his wagon! ANYONE can see what you are implying. Flail more.

 

3. I already mentioned that mafia could have tried[/u] pulling hijinks with that.

Sorry. Unacceptable. You know why?

This is just an awful, awful case Yates Des. It's as circumstantial as it gets.

4. You might not have intentionally acted bitter, but you certainly seemed to bely that tone with your "yall got lucky" posts.

And yet you can't give a reason for scum Yates to do that. You know why? Because there is none. So what was your point?? I know you tried to slip this one by but it's not happening.

 

Also, pretending the VERY important game theory that happened there wasn't pro Town is a bunch of junk. You guys [you intentionally] ignored it with Tiinker too. You got lucky AGAIN that he was just vanilla. I think that close call is what finally woke everyone else up over here to let Verb claim. What if THAT had gone through?? I would have PRAYED to see you as the hammer so I could turbolynch you come morning.

 

5. ??? Sketchy Miller claim was sketchy. Still is.

Good. Hang your hat on that. In the mean time, I was nailing scum all by myself - not parroting other's cases then claiming victory as my own. *glares at Des*

 

Also note that you DO know I know how to fakeclaim. Of this there is no doubt since my fakeclaim won us that game. So give it up. This is weak sauce and you know it.

 

6. Hasn't been disproved lately imo. Been pretty effective in fact.

You know, except for the Tiinker mislynch but we'll sweep that under the carpet since I see you lined up some more mislynches.

 

7. Attempt to gain townie cred from Mish's flip denied

Attempt to gain town cred for being on a wagon that had gone to L-1 the previous day denied. See how that works? Fun.

 

Hey Des, who started the Tinker mislynch yesterday...?

Attempt to ignore role in Town mislynch denied.

 

 

Tbh once I saw Yates saying we should lynch Hallia or Tink I was starting to think Tink might be town.

"Guise! I'm using my hindsight vision to tell you Tiinker is Town! Imma try to go back and time and save him but the game won't let me. Soooo sad."

 

Attempt to ignore fake attempt at Town credit noted.

[Yates]

 

If we lynch Des and he flips Town - I will SELF VOTE.

If yall end up being dumb enough to lynch me, HOLD YATES TO THIS.

 

No holding required. I'm GOING to do it. It's called a 1 v 1. Merrily I will not have to pay up.

[Yates]

Why don't you two just kiss already?

Here's the thing; if ANYONE knows my scum meta? It's HIM! We have pages of theory discussion in a QT. Now he's trying to pretend like he couldn't possibly know my meta? Give me a break...

 

This is the game where I pretty much won the game for scum all by myself: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/rtEAF543UTcf [there were jokes about it in the sign up thread iirc]

 

This is our scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/BuLXG2KMRcyjp

 

Open book. Find ONE instance of me buddying with my scum partners. Just ONE. It's not going to happen. I don't do it. Period. Had a whole discussion about it. Des knows it and is pretending like he doesn't because it doesn't fit into his made up "case" on me.

 

I'm not about to let him get away with it.

[hazelkrs1]

On the crapper atm so can't create a detailed response quite yet.

 

But Yates. You did NOT singlehandedly win that game. Come off it man. You sold out your own teammate to Peace. You also basically gave yourself away when you said you knew Wombat's role (why would Darthe give a townie a role cop NA? He wouldn't. You got lucky no one called you out on that).

 

The only thing that saved us was using the day end ability when we did. That's it. And we still won by the skin of our teeth. Had you and DPR listened to me more we would've steamrolled town.

 

So stop acting like you singlehandedly won that came because you were the last scum alive.

[hazelkrs1]

Also, had some of town not been lazy so and so's we would have easily lost that game as well. So yeah, quit tooting your own horn man.

 

Speaking of tooting, I'm about finished in here...

 

[Yates]

BOOM.

 

Come off it man. You sold out your own teammate to Peace.

 

That's all I needed to hear.  You KNOW I don't buddy.  You KNOW I would sacrifice a compromised teammate.  Yet somehow you are claiming I'm scum because I defended DPR *and* because I didn't lynch him?

 

Yeah.  BUSTED.

 

And now EVERYONE knows you don't even believe your own bologna.

[hazelkrs1]

Buddying =/= defending jackhole. Someone can buddy without defending. Someone can defend without buddying. And as a matter of fact, you DID defend me early in that Darthe game. Want me to quote it?

 

Either way, saying you would NEVER do something as scum is retarded. You'll do w/e is needed to win. People that know me know that I bus first and ask questions later; but I have also used that to my advantage before and made people believe I was town cause I would "never" defend a teammate so obviously.

 

Like I said, I think you were trying to use the "hiding in plain sight" angle. You figured if you defended DPR heavily enough, people would never suspect you if he flipped. And I didn't at first, it worked on me initially. It wasn't until I thought more about the Mish/fake viewing/miller claim thing that I started to put two and two together