Merlin Mafia [Advanced!]- Town Wins!!!

[WWWwombat]

 

I'm not misinterpreting.  I am interpreting your words perfectly.  Whether they convey the meaning you meant them to convey is your issue, not mine.

 

You said:

 

"If Krak isn't hammered I'll do so based on the arguments so far. I'd prefer to see a Vam lynch but I'm not sure we can do that in the time remaining."

 

Emphasis mine.  No mention of a possible roleclaim.  If that doesn't imply a desire to blind hammer Krak in the imminent future, nothing does.

 

 

 

I think the key thing in your statement are the words "emphasis mine."  Exactly. 

 

Anyways, if your VC is reasonably accurate then vote Vam.  And again, I'll switch and vote Krak based on the arguments so far. 

 

 

The emphasis was used to point out a particularly scummy portion of something that you wrote.  The second sentence mitigated it slightly but not enough.

[Krakalakachkn]

@Krak - maybe I've missed it, but you haven't claimed yet, correct?

 

Not yet.  I'm more than happy to, but I wanted to see if I could reason my way out of this bind.  I'm not quick to reveal, and I still think there are better plays out there.  As far as I can tell, the case against me rests on the whole LD fiasco.  I'll try saying again that at that point, Mish was suspicious and I thought I'd found something I could run with.  I didn't really have much of a read on anyone else and I guess I pushed too hard on Mish, but for the record, I don't think that I outed the LD - I was happy to leave that part alone.  I just wanted to keep heat on Mish, which is why I even mentioned her phrasing on Day 3.  Other than that, I'm not sure what people have against me.

 

I don't think I've seen a single game with a lie detector where the mafia doesn't have a silver tongue.

 

Well, I can't speak for you, just for myself.  I do not recall every having come across the Silvertongue roll before.

[WWWwombat]

Krak, you should claim now if you're going to.  They've got the bloodlust and they're not going to let you off the hook without a claim.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Krak, you should claim now if you're going to.  They've got the bloodlust and they're not going to let you off the hook without a claim.

 

Two more posts and you have quad 8s.  Nicely played.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

WWWwombat

 

178

 

鲍勃不是我的名字

 

89

 

Despothera

 

76

 

peacesells

 

75

 

dapianoplay3r

 

63

 

Misheru Sedai

 

62

 

Tigraine

 

60

 

lolguy26

 

56

 

Krakalakachkn

 

56

 

Darthe

 

55

 

Thorum

 

55

 

Kaylee

 

49

 

TGlems

 

48

 

Tiinker

 

44

 

alannalynn

 

39

 

wheeloftime13

 

32

 

Vambram

 

32

 

Hallia

 

24

 

Rhea

 

15

 

Razen

 

12

 

Basel Gill

 

8

 

Graendals favourite

 

1

 

[Krakalakachkn]

Also dont think what Peace did was that bad per se. He was trying to push at someone he thought could be scum imo, just made the wrong guess as to who might have been LD.

 

So it's all well and innocent when your scum teammates do it, but not when I do the same thing?

 

I had already explained my suspicions on Krak, I never parroted anyone. He tunneled on Basel day 1 for no reason, and I called him out for it. The recent LD/ST thing was just icing on the cake.

 

 

My only town reads are Mish, NotBob, and Peace. TG's last few posts also endeared me somewhat to his towniness as well.

 

Dude, it was Day 1 and Basel was playing scummy.  

 

Again defends Peace.

 

*nodnod* Can't we all get along and vote Vam?

 

Trying to tell us something?

 

 

Symps are not town. They are mafia who cannot communicate with the other mafia. That is the classic definition of the role. Anyone who says a symp is town is either dissembling or mistaken.

 

And it's not hypocritical to call Des out for his bandwagon vote as it was dressed up to look like a reasoned-out vote. When I bandwagon, I don't hide it. When scum bandwagon, they sometimes try to make their votes look more legit than they are.

 

And Peace's rolefishing was purely anti-town. There was nothing pro-town about it.

 

And I def wouldn't say that Peace's rolefishing, as you describe it, was pro-town. In retrospect it obviously wasn't a move that helped town, anyone can see that. I was saying that his intentions looked like they were genuine to me, that he was trying to catch scum. Basically I didn't see it as rolefishing, and instead saw it as scumhunting. If someone is trying to pressure someone that they think is scum, and end up drawing a cop out, you usually don't blame them if that cop was acting kinda scummy, like earlier in this game with Hallia.

 

This wasn't the clearest of statements, and it seems like you kinda trip over your words, but a) I know that Wombat was most certainly not describing Peace's actions as pro-town, b) nice to see you defending your friend again, and c) kinda like how I pressured Mish, thinking she was scum, and ended up helping to draw the LD out?  But it's scummy when I do it.

 

 

 

I don't see a strong case against me, but I do see you protecting Peace pretty regularly.

[Tyler Glembo]

The emphasis was used to point out a particularly scummy portion of something that you wrote.  The second sentence mitigated it slightly but not enough.

 

 

Scummy under your interpretation.  And of course, your interpretation does not reflect what actually happened.  If you'd like to you can keep on the track of taking things out of context and purposely misinterpreting with the "you're trying to blind hammer" but it doesn't reflect reality because I didn't do so.  Nor was that what I said.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

Also dont think what Peace did was that bad per se. He was trying to push at someone he thought could be scum imo, just made the wrong guess as to who might have been LD.

 

So it's all well and innocent when your scum teammates do it, but not when I do the same thing?

 

I had already explained my suspicions on Krak, I never parroted anyone. He tunneled on Basel day 1 for no reason, and I called him out for it. The recent LD/ST thing was just icing on the cake.

 

My only town reads are Mish, NotBob, and Peace. TG's last few posts also endeared me somewhat to his towniness as well.

 

Dude, it was Day 1 and Basel was playing scummy.  

 

Again defends Peace.

 

*nodnod* Can't we all get along and vote Vam?

 

Trying to tell us something?

 

 

Symps are not town. They are mafia who cannot communicate with the other mafia. That is the classic definition of the role. Anyone who says a symp is town is either dissembling or mistaken.

 

And it's not hypocritical to call Des out for his bandwagon vote as it was dressed up to look like a reasoned-out vote. When I bandwagon, I don't hide it. When scum bandwagon, they sometimes try to make their votes look more legit than they are.

 

And Peace's rolefishing was purely anti-town. There was nothing pro-town about it.

 

And I def wouldn't say that Peace's rolefishing, as you describe it, was pro-town. In retrospect it obviously wasn't a move that helped town, anyone can see that. I was saying that his intentions looked like they were genuine to me, that he was trying to catch scum. Basically I didn't see it as rolefishing, and instead saw it as scumhunting. If someone is trying to pressure someone that they think is scum, and end up drawing a cop out, you usually don't blame them if that cop was acting kinda scummy, like earlier in this game with Hallia.

 

This wasn't the clearest of statements, and it seems like you kinda trip over your words, but a) I know that Wombat was most certainly not describing Peace's actions as pro-town, b) nice to see you defending your friend again, and c) kinda like how I pressured Mish, thinking she was scum, and ended up helping to draw the LD out?  But it's scummy when I do it.

 

 

 

I don't see a strong case against me, but I do see you protecting Peace pretty regularly.

 

 

Claiming anytime soon?  or should I just come an hour before the deadline when a good fake claim has more dramatic effect?

 

Also, your interactions with Mish did not lead me to vote you.

 

I can have the Court Reporter read back your--words. 

[WWWwombat]

You expressed intent to hammer without so much as mentioning a reveal. That implies willingness to blind hammer. I don't care what you meant to say, that's what you said. If you truly didn't mean to express intent to blind hammer, then that was your error in expression of your intentions, not my error in interpreting your posts. I could call a rose a turd and you would probably think I was talking about feces rather than flowers. That wouldn't be your fault. That would be mine.

[Krakalakachkn]

You know Bob, you just might be right

With the deadline well within sight

It might be time, within this rhyme

To claim the doc role to be mine.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

Krak, you should claim now if you're going to. They've got the bloodlust and they're not going to let you off the hook without a claim.

Two more posts and you have quad 8s. Nicely played.

Thanks for the heads up. I usually miss these landmarks.

 

Quad 8's achieved!

[WWWwombat]

No counterclaims, please.

 

Everyone aboard the Despo train.

[WWWwombat]

Also, Krak, please state your role in a declarative statement that can be verified by an LD.

[Krakalakachkn]

I am the Town Doctor.

[Krakalakachkn]

Which means I get to make a tough choice tonight.

[WWWwombat]

random.org helps with tough choices

[Tyler Glembo]

Or the Vambram train.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

You know Bob, you just might be right

With the deadline well within sight

It might be time, within this rhyme

To claim the doc role to be mine.

 

Unvote, Vote Vam

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Which means I get to make a tough choice tonight.

 

It's why we play.  Is it not?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

No counterclaims, please.

 

Everyone aboard the Despo train.

 

Yeah, rather not have the counterclaim but if you leave your vote on the Kraka we'll get the idea.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

No counterclaims, please.

 

Everyone aboard the Despo train.

 

I will not vote Despo today.  Already moved to Vam.  Encourage everyone to move in that direction.  My secondary options at this point are Tigs or GF. 

[Krakalakachkn]

Probably should color that vote in.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Probably should color that vote in.

 

Thanks.

 

Unvote, Vote Vam

 

BTW.  Not that your outed do you plan to play a strong town leader role or fall into the woodwork like our outed Cop?

[alannalynn]

You know Bob, you just might be right

With the deadline well within sight

It might be time, within this rhyme

To claim the doc role to be mine.

Well I guess I'm going with my backup plan then... Unvote Vote Vambram

I haven't heard from him in a while?

 

Also, I started watching Merlin last night. Addicted

[alannalynn]

Mish (the claimed LD) cleared me.

 

Your next post after that was about how you thought I was a silvertongue.

 

Then in the same post that you mentioned "losing interest" you talked about how you thought Thorum was cleared but didn't say a thing about me being cleared.

 

The inferences are pretty easy to make.

 

Are we to believe that you remembered Thorum being cleared as "not mafia" but not me being cleared as "town?"

These statements are not contradictory.

 

 

Do you know I am god aweful at chess

 

I get bored and do things for the Lolz

I swear I have chess ADHD. It's only during chess

Somehow I can see this.

 

 

 

 

VC?

 

If Krak isn't hammered I'll do so based on the arguments so far. I'd prefer to see a Vam lynch but I'm not sure we can do that in the time remaining.

Lol really?

 

If you're intending to blind hammer Krak, why do you care about the vote count?

 

Also, why are you acting like the deadline is an hour from now when it's actually ten hours from now?

 

 

That's interesting Wombat.  On D1 when I tried to vote who I thought was scummiest with 10 hours to go you called me out for acting like there was too much time, starting a new train and not going along with what was the obvious lynch.  Now on D3 when I say I'd like to see a VC first and not "blind hammer" with 10 hours left you respond to me as though I think there is not enough time.  It seems to me that you are saying : 10 hours = too much time = not enough time.  

 

To answer your question, I'd like to see the VC because, as I said, I'd rather see a Vam lynch.  If Vam has enough votes to be a reasonable train I'm going to put my vote on him.  If not, then for the sake of achieving a lynch I'll put my vote on Krak before deadline.

 

This was weird. I don't really get what TG was aiming for here, and his explanation didn't do it for me. Just awks.

Also, if you don't know what the VC is, backtrack and account for the most recent votes. It's not hardwork.

 

No counterclaims, please.

 

Everyone aboard the Despo train.

I'll vote who I like, thank you very much, sir!

Or the Vambram train.

 

Now I have obligations. I'll check back when I can before deadline.