The Hunger Games Mafia [Advanced] Game over! Town and TG wins!

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

ah, ok. I'll probably stop trying to think for a while. hopefully.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Did everyone miss my damn Kaylee vote? FFS

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Bloody skimmers

[peacesells]

Did everyone miss my damn Kaylee vote? FFS

 

Maybe..I only went back as far as Mish's last vote count.  Was your vote before that?  If so..can you link it please.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

Obviously it's Dap's fault. Vote Kaylee.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

musta gotten buried in some spam.

 

I'll look from there

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

via voted vam, she was off the not voting list next VC and back on it the one after that.

 

math hurts.

 

imma stop that now.

[Graendals favourite]

 

 

Seeing as I voted her yesterday, I'm alright with vote hallia.

I find it really hard to believe that your views haven't changed since the start of Day 1, and now you are voting Hallia again right after Tina posted her thoughts and also voted for her. Your play is very opportunistic.

 

 

Sure, it's good to talk. It appears there's an hour to the deadline, unless that has been postponed by the mod. I seem to recall reading in the rules that 2 people die randomly at a failed lynch by deadline, so we should get going.

 

As to cases, well, not sure yet, though I'm gonna make notes as I read now.

You don't really seem anxious of the deadline being so close as you first thought it would be.

 

Of course, with little to go by and deadline looming, votes are needed. Of course I was surprised there were no big trains, but reading Mish's comment about returning in the morning together with no one being alarmed, I more than started to suspect the deadline had moved for some reason.

 

 

 

Now, having read from where day 1 ended, I like the three trains, Vam, TG and Hallia, if you can call 2 votes a train.

 

I agree with Cindy that voting on the basis of inactivity isn't all that good. Well, it's fine of course if scum is found, but otherwise it doesn't really yield that much. (Of course I am a fine one to opine this, but now I just spent three hours reading the thread.) 

 

I don't know Clouds reasons for voting me, but in general it is good to vote different people so the game gets to evolve. Consistent voting too.

 

I think I'm gonna think a bit before I read all that again, well in time for tomorrow.

[dapianoplay3r]

Onwards

 

 

 

Well I found Hallia's sudden defense of Darthe somewhat remarkable. Not Sure. Going at thing moment Vote Hallia.

 

This seems like an odd vote. I don't think scumbags would tie themselves together THAT easily. She defended him and if you're looking to apply pressure then I don't really see what else you're going to get out of her. I'm content with voting Darthe though.

 

 

^ you aren't voting me..

 

 

 

So, Tiink, if you're content with voting Darthe, then why aren't you actually voting him?

 

 

 

Most annoying thing evar.

 

Unvote. Vote Tiinker.

  

 

So RTE gets the Tiinker train rolling and look who shortly agrees with him, but not directly. That's be too obvious right

 

I´m not fond of the "wait until day ends" votes. I´ll join the group that questions why you won´t vote until then.

 

  

That was @ Tiinker of course.

 

Then she continues later when someone isn't following RTE like she is

 

moving on, this whole business with tinker's commenting on darthe's reveal and then voting him seems abit forced for some reason.

(im not sure why im getting this feeling but i have this gut feeling he was going for the easy lynch and a bit of wifom spreading)

 

 

Tiinker didn´t vote Darthe. That is what a lot of the discussion is about.

  

She seems fine with it, just making sure he knows why Tiinker is scummy and that it's perfectly logical

 

Sick of what?

 

I want to hear more from Player, who I´m voting. Right now I´m suspicious of Tiinker and Chuckles as well.

 

Nw she reiterates that she is voting me and not Tiinker, but also throws out that she is suspicious of Tiinker (for voting later when it's more of an ok thing to do) and adds chuckles to that list.

If you don't agree with RTE you are scummy to Tina

So all of this is just indirect support of RTE and working to undermine opinions that oppose him (people that were right as Tiink was town)

 

Then all of the. Go quiet for a long time

Tina appears briefly to vote on DM mobile I assume

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/81647-the-hunger-games-mafia-advanced-day-2-the-star-crossed-lovers/?p=2896178

 

Then day ends and TG come back from having a RL

I don't have much to add.  Tiink's play was scummy, but way too many people jumped on way too easily.

 

Also, CSarmi, do this:  Send in your NA at anytime.  Wait until 1 minute before deadline.  Post in the thread who you will target.  That way mafia cannot wait to put in their NK and will have to do it before you otherwise they will miss the deadline.  Also, if you die then town knows who you targeted and can confirm them as scum.

 

So he distances by disagreeing with everyone jumping on Tiink so fast, but says he was scummy so not to make RTE look bad.

Then he starts to "advise" Csarmi

 

Now RTE appears and throws just a hint of doubt on Dsarmi and also nudges for info

  

On a sidenote, that reveal came early with only 5 votes on you csarmi. Although your role is one I think town needed to know about so you can work with us to use it.

 

Seeing the pattern yet guys?

 

 

I find it unethical to be town and not use your claimed PR to help town as best as possible.

Then TG gives Csarmi a hard push towards where he wants him to go

 

  

csarmi, I respect your opinion but Mafia isn't about making friends. It's about winning. If you want to win you would do everything in your power with your power to win.

Oh look!

RTE appears agreeing with TG but never actually saying that he agrees with TG

 

Now Tina appears to complete the triangle

  

 

Hider is great role and full to include by any mod, its so full of Wifom its delicious. There's no way to prove that the hider is telling the truth or not, so it makes a great mafia fake claim. However, if it is true, it is quite a powerful role. 

 

So really in the end, it comes down to a matter of trust... and for some reason, I trust that he's telling the truth.

 

 

I do to. But I still remember the Carebears game Kath modded. Did any of you play in it? Lily was mafia and used that as a safe claim.

 

just a bit of advanced warning, I may be absent for a couple if days in the next week or so to attend a funeral, will do a proper notification as and when though.

 

 

Sorry to hear that.

She throws a bunch more doubt on Csarmi, can't have two vetted town by day two now can we, and stays away from the control of Csarmi

 

See always in pairs while one distances

 

 

Right day starts post then I shall continue

[dapianoplay3r]

Right

Day starts and TG gets the ball rolling

 

 

 

Vote Tress.

 

Also, if CsLewis is town then I just got confirmed, right?

No, it could be a gambit that you two are pulling as scum.

So now TG is the one that is doubting Csarmi.

Remember, RTE laid the groundwork

Tina built it up

Now TG caps it all off

 

Darthe, how exactly do you think that CS has been cleared as town?

Then TG realises he came on a little strong so he back tracks a smidge

 

And now the team spread so feelers

I also think Cloud is clueless. Something he posted a while back made him seem out of touch with the game but I'm not going searching for it.

 

But I will Vote Kaylee. She is on her scum meta and is nowhere near active enough.

 

RTE picks an inactive (can't be the leader this time, he led the last lynch)

 

 

Will see if I can post. I can´t quote.

 

I´m questioning Ishy´s logic. He thinks the mafia is newbies that were out big game hunting. That is one of the reasons he is voting Via. If we truly had a newbie team then they wouldn´t know who BG was, right. I don´t think Via has played with BG before. (I can be wrong.) Anyway, Via is the only newbie around here, if you don´t count Cindy who has at least read a lot of games. So who would be the newbie team?

 

Tina goes for Ishy (if I'm wrong about these three the newbie team is a possibility with Cindy on it. She's been pushing her nativity and newness all game)

 

 

 

Ishy never jokes around.

 

Ever.

 

RTE does a little distancing from Tina

 

 

Look Kaylee, this is the game. I don't mean any personal insult or anything like that. But to me this is similar to how you've played when you have been scum. So it is what it is. Your post hasn't done anything to convince me one way or another.

 

No one is asking you defend your vote, least of all myself. Obviously many people saw merit in voting Tiink. Where do you stand now? That's an answer I'm much more interested in.

 

RTE realises that Kaylee was sick so back tracks.

 

 

 

So Tina is mafia

My gut is screaming to look at Cindy

TG and chuckles are twitchy and need a looking at

Darthe and Csarmi are vetted IMO

I am vanilla town

Go

 

 

Obviously I missed something so maybe you can clear it up for me.  Darthe and CS claimed roles that may or may not be true.  Neither were NK'd on N1.  This means they are vetted town? 

 

I have a town read on Darthe, not sure about CS, but I'm not going to just consider them both vetted because they made a claim and weren't NK'd.

Still needs to keep that suspicion up on Csarmi

Also it was Csarmis claim that vetted him, not his NA

 

 

 

Csarmi I trust, and because of that his role vets Darthe

Also my gut trusted Darthe but it's the Csarmi thing that I trust most

 

 

Your play has been very out of character.  Trying to decide if you are purposely changing your meta due to the Jaws game.

  

Haha no. I tried a meta change for the chess game, that didnt work so I've gone back

There's just been nothing to really sink my teeth into in games recently

 

@Dap & Cloud: Why should I keep my vote on someone I've pressured but has not panned out as scummy? Moving it from csarmi was obviously not a bad idea and people evidently agreed that Tiink came across as scummy.

 

So who's next? I think Kaylee is on her scum game. So I'm going with that so far and seeing what comes of it.

 

Being proactive is nice. You should try it Cloud.

 

Yea I don't think that counts as pressure

 

 

Really. What's the point in that RTE?

Tina, she seemed to be working with others and has suspicions on me and stuff but has failed to continue them over from yesterday

Consistency is key

 

Just to reiterate. Tina seems to of forgotten all about her D1 reads. Didnt get enough traction for you Tina?

 

 

 

It does but the craziness isn't fully over yet

 

 

what do you mean?

This was just me taking s***

I like to keep people on their toes, I was hoping for reactions to the vanilla claim to cross examine but all the other claimers f***ed that up

 

Obviously it's Dap's fault. Vote Kaylee.

 

So after all that you go back to Kaylee for a meta reason

 

 

 

All the spam is looking like a tactic to me.

 

 

Spreading those accusations nice and thick

Better than spreading yourself thin like you, Tina, and TG

 

After 18 pages: (This will probably change as I read further.)

 

 

Town: Tina, Basel, Darthe, Csarmi, Cindy, Tress

Mafia: Vambram, Lenlo, Player, (Cloud), lolguy, RTE

Osäker:  Hallia, Peace, Kaylee, Via, Ishy, GF, Kronos, Rhea, BG 2.0, TG

So Tina does a list

She is unsure of the people TG and RTE are casing (incase she needs to vote them later)

RTE is on her mafia team though so there's distancing there. I'm there with Chuckles (finally some consistency)

But hang on, Csarmi and Darthe are town now? Tina was the one that brought up the hider being a fake claim idea with evidence. That's weird wouldn't you say

 

  

Well that went weird. I had no control over the resetting btw

Tbh I'm not sure what my actual trigger was

So this is what I think.  CS should use his "hider" ability two more nights.  If it is successful both times, then we lynch him and either get 3 confirmed townies or at least one scum and potentially another with Darthe, minimum. 

 

I'm not okay with believing the play CS and Darthe have made and letting it go till endgame.  I think it needs to be vetted at some point in the best way to help town, and that is not by lynching them now, but waiting for maximum effect.

 

Every time I read that I see that pic in my head. If yu don't know what it is google images it, I had to take out the text so I wasn't too mean, but so many face palms

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

the other vanilla claimers didn't mess with your game, the game was played out the day before. beaten to death in fact.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

24 ppl... 1/4 scum? 6 maf?

 

but third parties, what do they do to the number

 

are the game makers third parties or random actions caused by triggers?

 

still... advanced, must be third parties...

 

yes?

 

math is dumb but I can easily see six non town maybe more.

 

having a harder time ruling anyone out after that, dap.

 

reread again and .... at least that many feeling wrong.

 

what do you think without all those quotes, really?

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

that thing about alliances in the first of second scene is bugging me too...

 

that could mean anything or nothing .... but I don't like any of the anythings

[peacesells]

I'm not sure what you are getting at with those two posts Cindy.

[peacesells]

There are some seriously low posts from several players in this game.   And then there is Cindy...lol.   But really, if this doesn't improve we may need to start pressuring possible hiding scum. 

 

cindy 163 dapianoplay3r 62 csarmi 61 ReleaseTheEvil 57 Misheru Sedai 55 _CLOUD 45 peacesells 38 lolguy26 34 Hallia 26 TGlems 25 Tiinker 23 Elaevia 23 Darthe 23 Ishmael Forsaken 23 TinaHel 23 bgrishinko 19 WolfbrotherKronos 18 Songstress 18 Basel Gill 16 Graendals favourite 14 Kaylee 14 Rhea 13 Lenlo 8 Vambram 8

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

I'm trying to figure out how many maf were looking for bc I'm wondering how many of the ppl I'm distrusting strongly might actually be scum.

 

and I'm having trouble narrowing my paranoia down to the 6 I'd figure based on a 24 person game and wondering what other kinds of threats may be present.

 

I'll quote the alliance post, you tell me what you think it means?

 

mish said the scenes were important, though the individual players she stuck in there were flavor.

 

so... what alliances?

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

well yeah I post a lot I didn't get to 50K by accident. sorry, I think in type.

[peacesells]

In the book there was an alliance of players that I would consider the make up of the scum team here in this game.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

right but the post referenced alliances I think, hang on, I get it

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

 

 

"Good afternoon, boys and girls, ladies and gents. The game is starting up for real now... For the first few hours the tributes were all hiding, but not seems like the temperatures rising... The hunt has begun! And already we can see a few alliances forming. 

 

Now remember, even though this is about the tributes, there are other factors to take into consideration too. The gamemakers have their suprises, Each day, they will reward or punish a tribute. How they choose... Well I guess they have their criterias. Maybe certain actions a tribute does? But these rewards or punishment might be the thing who turns the table for the tribute who gets it...! Exciting, exciting indeed. Now, back to the show! It seems like a couple of the tributes have found Darthe's tracks. Will he be able to escape them, or will he be our first death? Stay tuned! Caesar and Claudius here, always keeping you updated on The Hunger Games!"

.

 

 

 

 

(mod note: all mentions of players in scenes are purely for flavour, there will be no hints to players allegiances in scenes)

ok so alliances forming, that could be flavor or... not

 

and the game makers could be payers or a game mechanic

 

and... ok fine I've tried to get through this movie three times and I just can't.

 

maybe I'll try again and it would make more sense

[peacesells]

 

The day had been the worst in your life. You'd been walking around most of the day. It seemed like no matter how far you went, there was other tributes around you. Several times you'd been forced to run for your life, when the other tributes got too close.

 

Now the light is failing, and you're looking for a place to sleep. The backpack you managed to grab at the Cornocupia contained a package of dry food, a knife, a water bottle, and a rope. You had found a good pine tree, that you'd climbed up as high as you got, and then tied yourself to the trunk. Hopefully you were invisible from the ground. You close your eyes, drifting slowly into sleep...

 

A sound jolts you awake. What was it? You strain your ears. There it was again. Running feet. In a gap in the branches you can see a person running down a slope opposite you. It looks like the boy from District 9. He's screaming while he's running, stumbling down the slope. And after him... Came a big group of tributes, one of the alliances that had been formed. They caught up to him, jumping on him and stabbing him with whatever weapon they had. Some carried rocks or branches, others knives. 

 

Soon, the only sound that you could hear, was the wind in the treetops. The boy would never scream, or breathe, ever again. Then the cannon booms, and the boy's face lit up the night sky. The first person had died. The first day was over. How many days would you be able to survive? 

 

 

 

Ok..I didn't think anything of it when I read it the first time, but it could mean something.  I think there was only 1 alliance in the book if I remember correctly..so not sure what she was implying or not implying here.

[peacesells]

 

 

 

"Good afternoon, boys and girls, ladies and gents. The game is starting up for real now... For the first few hours the tributes were all hiding, but not seems like the temperatures rising... The hunt has begun! And already we can see a few alliances forming. 

 

Now remember, even though this is about the tributes, there are other factors to take into consideration too. The gamemakers have their suprises, Each day, they will reward or punish a tribute. How they choose... Well I guess they have their criterias. Maybe certain actions a tribute does? But these rewards or punishment might be the thing who turns the table for the tribute who gets it...! Exciting, exciting indeed. Now, back to the show! It seems like a couple of the tributes have found Darthe's tracks. Will he be able to escape them, or will he be our first death? Stay tuned! Caesar and Claudius here, always keeping you updated on The Hunger Games!"

.

 

 

 

 

(mod note: all mentions of players in scenes are purely for flavour, there will be no hints to players allegiances in scenes)

ok so alliances forming, that could be flavor or... not

 

and the game makers could be payers or a game mechanic

 

and... ok fine I've tried to get through this movie three times and I just can't.

 

maybe I'll try again and it would make more sense

 

 

Well in her first scene it states that all 24 tributes are still alive.  I think that's a pretty strong hint that refers to us 24 players.  I could be wrong.

[dapianoplay3r]

Kaylee does her TG case (so proud :) )

 

Oh look! Everyone found a bandwagon!

"Oh s***, quick discredit while I think of a real anti case"

 

Then he starts getting on the back of people who believe it, unfortunately he chooses Csarmi and blunders it lol

 

I have no problem with the case. I do have a problem with votes like csarmi's.

Hasn't remembered he's a PR yet...

No. You put no context whatsoever to your vote.

@Cloud I haven't been guiding my votes across the work of other people. I come to my own conclusions and don't just post "Oh wow! What a nice case! I'm going to wait until deadline and then post at deadline!"

Still hasn't remembered...

 

 

No. You put no context whatsoever to your vote.

@Cloud I haven't been guiding my votes across the work of other people. I come to my own conclusions and don't just post "Oh wow! What a nice case! I'm going to wait until deadline and then post at deadline!"

I think everyone can guess that csarmi voting against TG after Kay's case means that he has read it and agrees with it.

So you can't agree with someone else in this game? I also come with my own conclusions, but that doesn't stop me from agreeing with a good case when I see one.

The idea is you are setting up a vote in the future. If you think it's a good case now why don't you vote now?

csarmi, it's already an improvement (if not by much). You could have said what you agreed with, what you yourself picked up on TG, etc.

Possibly remembered

Never said anything about lynching you. Just don't let yourself get lazy because you have a PR.

Lol

He remembers and kinda does a chastise and slinks off lol

 

Lazy play is lazy play, if you're the doc or the hider. Just because you help your team during one phase doesn't mean you slack off in the other.

Besides if I did forget (maybe) then you can be sure I wouldn't have forgotten if I was scum.

Does some damage control (lol)

It would be kinda sad for mafia to forget who the town PRs are. Especially given there's only been one claim (IIRC).

Ps I think it needs emphasizing that it really sucks that we lost Peeta.

It's ok RTE, we all make mistakes

But look how he is using the "too obvious to be mafia" defence. TG called that out last time, I wonder if he will call RTE out on it..

Doubt it

 

Who am I tunneling?

 

You guys complain because I move my votes...

Complain is the wrong word. It just makes it too easy though

 

Have a good evening, Mish!

 

Let´s see if I can sum up my notes:

oh goody. I love these, she just posted a list of town mafia and unsure, I wonder how different it is now

Basel - Don´t have any strong read. Don´t agree with him that Lenlo´s and Vam´s votes looked good yesterday.

well Basel was town on her last list but now he appears to be in the unsure, the Len and Vam part seems consistent though

Cloud - He looked like scum hunting at first. But he tries to direct the Hider. I understand his vote for GF in a way but it looks like he buries his vote somewhere safe until he sees where other votes.

well he was in the mafia list (be it in brackets). If anyone was trying to direct the hider it was TG, also if you believe he is the hider why bring up that mafia can fake claim it successfully. If you did this as town it would just provide the mafia with ammunition, good thing you are mafia then.

The burying of the vote I kinda see, but that's kinda what TG did as well with cindy till he moved it to me. But you were ok with that cos it wasn't moved to TG or RTE

Vambram - Does the same things that he does when he is scum. He defends himself and offers to sacrifice himself after a few fos. Talks about being on the town team. Then claims vanilla. I truly hope he is town and plays like this all the time no mather alignment, otherwise it´s just too easy to read him.

this is consistent with the last post. Weird end too this though. It's kinda setting up for him to flip town

Hallia - Followed the stream yesterday and today she posts a comment here and there that have nothing to do with the game. Asks Peace if he thinks RTE is vig. How strange. Hallia climbed up on my fos list after my reread.

guess this is consistent too. You really start gunning for her after this don't you

Peace - I got a town read on him. The only thing I wonder about is when he said that the cop will likely view Cs, which might be a way to direct the cop.

you were unsure last list, but that's ok on it's own. Then you really stretch for this guiding Csarmi, better of mentioned that in TGs one or that'd be pretty damming....

Kaylee - RTE is right, she is playing by her scum meta. Will see what happens to the TG train before I decide about her.

atleast you admit to agreeing with RTE this time lol. But yea see what happens. Don't want to condemn the someone that gets a mafia lynched now do you

Via - I don´t know. She plays different from last time but I have only seen her play one game so who knows.

leaving that nice an open for the future

 

Csarmi - very quiet today. I believe him to be hider.

yet you still give an example of mafia using that claim, something which the mafia can build a case off

Darthe - tied to Csarmi, so town

atleast you are smart enough to admit this

Lenlo - waiting for his re-read, hasn´t been playing

but on the last list you thought he was mafia??

Player - scummy. I don´t understand why he had to put so much energy into disliking Basel´s comment about Darthe possible having a pr. Do you think we have the dumbest scum team ever? Or trying really hard to look town? I think so. He says that I seem to work with others. Who? Where?

I don't do policy lynching but I can verbally beat it into people so they don't do something like that next time. Not the dumbest ever...

I'm trying so hard to look town that I BSed a vanilla claim to get reactions and am now putting my neck out there showing the link between three players. Yea lynch me or NK me if you want Tina but it will only dam you further

These cases should explain the working with others

Ishy - very little game play. His reason for the Via vote was strange. Claims vanilla. Don´t understand his way of playing this game. Can´t say that makes him scum though.

wishy washy filler

GF - really needs to post more.

yup

lolguy - looked scummy yesterday and I haven´t written any notes about him today. Trying to lay low? I don´t know.

atleast you followed through with him now

Kronos - is suspicious of GF and Vam but doesn´t vote. I´m also suspicious of them but why doesn´t he vote?

so yu are both suspicious of people who you haven't voted for but only his lack if vote is suspicious, not yours

Tina - I have a strong town read on her. :p

you sure about that?

Tress - I agreed with almost everything that she said yesterday so I think she is town

good for you

Cindy - Have a lot of good points. Should follow up with a vote. Town read.

should stop acting

Rhea - hasn´t really played. Who knows?

you, you know

RTE - I don´t see what others find so scummy about him. Looks like he defended TG when the train started to build so it will be interesting to see where the TG train goes.

but he was on your mafia list earlier? Now that he is getting some heat you back off? Telling....

Oh and you are just staying away from that TG train for as long as you can lol

BG 2.0 - Who knows? Doesn´t say much.

but he disagreed with you and RTE day one, like chuckles and I did. Doesn't that make him automatically mafia?

TG - Is so focused on CS/Darthe that he forgets everything else. I actually like the idea of lynching Csarmi if he is not dead later on in the game. I look forward to hearing his defense.

could of seen this coming a mile away. Fails to mention the Csarmi controlling at all, yet peace is attempting to guide a cop. Come on, are you that scared of even hinting at him being mafia

Then you agree with lynching Csarmi. Good lord I hope you are mafia

I look forward to the defence you cook up on the QT. bring your A game cos your half a step behind already

 

Yea.... More damming than I expected Tina, tut tut

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

all twenty four should be tributes.... and maybe alliances refers to voting blocks the way that scene you quote has it... the lynching party...

 

so the game makers more likely a game mechanic but other unaffiliated anti town roles must be there. in a balanced game, what does that do to the expected scum to town to third party ratios?

 

this is a weakness for me.

 

and I've no more effective thinking tonight.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

ok, dear, I'll play.

 

should stop acting what?