[Mafia Game Over] Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark - Mafia Wins!

[ed2funy]

Definitely applies to this game. 

 

[lolguy26]

Have I ever told you guys how much I hate WOTs

[dapianoplay3r]

Wots find mafias. Well its how i find them anyway

atleast ed bothers to fight back and challenge me

 

Ed stop calling half of what you quote BS. Its lazy

 

just a note. The fact tjat you didnt understand half of my case on talya doesnt make the case invaid

[ed2funy]

Night happens

Kae seems like a sure thing but a Vig gets her before the lynch

 

Agreed. lol

 

Darthe also says Talya is losing favour

 

Linky? Not sure why this is here. 

 

 

I'm going to laugh if you die.

start laughing now or you might miss it

 

 

 

 

 

Mods can make roles whichever they want be whatever alignment they want. Obviously, some won't make sense and some have norms, but don't rely on it.

just setting up for a claim

I bet you Talya claims RB

 

Ed, Ishy, and then WKB all vote Darthe fairly quickly

 

This is funny since she was 1x Roleblocker or Gov. But that quote was in reply to the talks on the Janitor, because people were questioning if it was mafia. So no, no setting up for a claim. 

And it was pretty obvious I was going to vote Darthe. 

 

 

Eddie - 1 (Rey)

 

Ley - 1 (Time)

 

Talya - 4 (Rand, Arez, Maw, Player)

 

Dice - 3 (RTE, Len, Basel)

 

Time - 10 (Chuckles, Ley, Talya, Peace, Mish, Ed, Darthe, Cloud, Kae, Dice)

 

Darthe - 1 (Ishy)

 

Not voting - Roo, Hallia, Cyan, Song

 

What is also interesting are those that didn't vote as well as those that did. I can see why Song was chosen for a night kill, she had not vote on anyone.

 

As for the Time lynch, it would be interesting to see when things started to move over to Time, I had 5 votes at one point. Then it all changed, and they all piled on Time. I think it was around the Mish vote, but I will have to check sometime.

Interesting. Talya puts the blame on Mish. Not Ed or Darthe but Mish

Firstly, you replied directly to Talya right after she posted this. And there was already talk about me being the swing vote. 

You also say you think Darthe is scum. fyi. 

 

 

 

Why am I voting Darthe? Why are you too lazy to go read?

 

I don't think I've played with him before, but from what I hear, he's better than this. His actions are sporadic and speak nothing of towniness. His vote placement on the lynch yesterday. His major push on the whole alignment thing last Night, helping lead the witch hunt. Need I go on?

Pretty much none of this has been reflected in Eds posts. It comes after my second WOT on Darthe and he just steals a bunch of ideas

That's straight BS. All of that, except maybe his rep as a player, had been reflected in my posts. So really, you probably stole my ideas, but just put them all in one post. 

 

 

 

Len is voting for our vig? Really?

 

Wow.

Ishy jumps on that as a potential Lynch

Not sure why this is here. 

 

 

 

Since when did Vigs become a cool thing to keep around? o_O

Ed takes the opposite stance and starts his distancing

 

You also said I was "distancing" Day 1.  

The last time I played mafia, Vigs weren't just given a nice cushy chair and told to relax and held on a throne. So yea, I didn't think Vigs were a good thing. Still don't. I mean, look, I shot Darthe N1. Peace shot Kae N1. Ley (?) shot our Doctor N2. 

 

 

Fishing for a tracker Maw?

 

And seriously guys, having a Town is cool and all, IF he is Town. Having a Vig is NOT ALWAYS good. He says he shot Kae and she was Town. With his play, as Lenlo said, Peace is more of a threat right now than helpful. I'm all for lynching him if he doesn't agree to holster and get an opinion before shooting.

I also don't believe that he is a Vig. Fake PR, Fake Role.

 

 

btw, everyone who was ready to speed lynch Kae and had their little Witch Hunt during the Night should be under the microscope. It was too easy a place for the mafia to hide. Seriously, the mafia all know each others characters and can talk about it. If anything, THEY WOULD KNOW more than any Townie about how the characters worked. Honestly, I didn't think anything of my Role PM until she brought it up.

So all of you who were like "omg, you're mafiaz for not knowing something!" You were either being completely dull about how mafia works or you are mafia and were looking for an easy lynch.

Ed really pushes for the Vig to be lynched. Its a threat to the mafia. Especially since he is on Peaces list

Next he tells us to go back and look at the people that were pushing Kae. Talya, Ishy, and Ed all did that. They groomed her for a lynch and now Ed is calling the people out who kept going with their bait that night

yea, fyi, the Doc kinda agreed with me on that. Guess he was mafia, too. Oh wait. Peace's play up to that point had been horrible for a Vig (and still is), so yes, I didn't want some gung ho, sees mafia around every corner, player being a full Vig (or as I thought, SK).

 

And I'm calling BS on you saying I was one of the ones pushing Kae the night before. I don't think I even commented on it (because I would have been confused about the character stuff and wasn't about to admit that with you all going after her). In fact, in my recap of that Night (I will try and hunt it down, but I've posted it many times), there are two posts from YOU that show you going after Kae. 

This is completely made up on your end, and an utterly blatant lie. 

 

 

 

That's my recap from the Kae and RTE Night time Witch Hunt.

Darthe, Piano, Cloud, and Ishy.

Maybe Dice.

 

You all should be under everyone's microscope.

In that order.

See. He goes for the people that kept the discussion going during the night. Ishy was there to guide it all along and ed was there to list them for lynching (with Ishy last of course)

 

Heres a fun exchange

 

IN FACT, HERE IT IS! I noticed you leave out the POST right above the one quoted here. You know, the one with the actual recap. 

I believe Darthe as much as Ishy, if not more, was pushing this. That, combined with other stuff, was why he was first and Ishy last. 

 

 

 

So to recap, Darthe is still the way to go then Ed?

I think he is one of the possible ones. So are you, but I find Darthe more scummy, yes.

Just so everyones clear I find Ishy scummy but Darthe and the others first

Just so we are all clear

 

Your sarcasm is noted. But yes, that's exactly what I said and thought. I thought Darthe was the more scummy person. So did you. Quoted below. 

 

Wel i agree on Darthe. Still waiting on himm

 

 

 

 

Final Day 2 Vote Count

 

Darthe - 11 (Eddie, Ishy, WBK, Mish, Leyrann, Basel, Maw, Player, Roo, Chuckles, Ark)

 

 

 

Not Voting - 9 (Talya, RTE, Cyan, Hallia, Cloud, Darthe, Arez, Rand, Lenlo)

 

With 21 Alive it takes 11 to Lynch.

 

That's a Lynch. Darthe, you are Dead. Scene coming shortly-ish

Interesting Talya didnt vote Darthe after all that. Methinks she was avoiding the same train as the others and having to hammer

 

im at about day break when Len dies

You can see where im giong with his

Too tired to do this all now

 

Night

I don't remember Talya's posts or thoughts about Darthe or why she wasn't voting him. 

But it was not surprise I was going to vote Darthe come day.

[ed2funy]

Have I ever told you guys how much I hate WOTs

Blame him. I mostly hate them. haha

 

Wots find mafias. Well its how i find them anyway

atleast ed bothers to fight back and challenge me

 

Ed stop calling half of what you quote BS. Its lazy

 

just a note. The fact tjat you didnt understand half of my case on talya doesnt make the case invaid

 

Really, now you're just being ridiculous. You know that isn't half. The posts that ARE bs, I will call them like they are. Over 95% of that is an actual reply. 

 

I didn't say that it was invalid. Just letting you know why I never really followed along with it. 

[ed2funy]

I am sleepy. Will try and reply to this one here (reposting it to have it closer) tonight, but you might have to wait until tomorrow. 

 

 

 

Right Good morning
Back to it (late start at uni today so I have like 15 min lol to do this

Ugh. 
 
Leyrann, you're ;lskdafjn;adsfjh ridiculous. 
Lenlo, just stop replying to him. 
If there is a Roleblocker, you're both inviting that person in to mess with everyone. Or a redirector. Or any other kind of role.
 
Lolguy, FoS for continuously trying to fish for more details. 
 
And Ley, people can post what they want. Within reason and the rules. lol, just because what he says makes you feel guilty is no reason to tell him to shut up.
 

This game has seriously regressed to Rookie status. I've never seen so many role claims and role hints during a Night phase before. Don't you kids know better by now? If you die tonight, you totally deserve it.

 
THIS! Argue all you want, but don't present new information. 
 

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Maybe the person who voted after the Ark was put into place gets it? 
 
So either Player or Roo should have if that is so. Unless it's random. In which case, hmph.

 
Peace said the Ark was stolen. Not that he lost it, or he didn't have it anymore. I am guessing that means it was not by a trigger or trap, but by some deliberate action. Someone out there has the ability to steal the Ark for themselves. Whether that means the power to steal other abilities, I don't know. But I'm willing to bet that we have a player that can take the extra vote for their own.

 
I disagree. If only one player can steal the Ark, that seems a bit silly. A trigger can still be written as it being stolen.

 

 
Ed is the next person as far as i can tell to bring up a RBer, but he also mentions a redirector. Like I said earlier Roos N1 action was messed with then after all the claiming the mafia would be pretty sure Len was Doc and being targetted by a Vig. So they wouldnt need to kill him, just RB him. That way they can use their NK elsewhere
And the two players that keep trying to get people to pay attention to the fact there is a RBer and redirect are Ed and Talya. As mafia they have the most to gain cos if they were viewed by the cop they can claim a redirect, and the RBer cos Talya is totally setting up for that claim.
If she claims it now everyone note that she likely blocked Len to ensure his death.
Like I said, mafia.

So both Peace and Ley went for Len, well done guys you got rid of the Doc! Talk about overkill.
Look at how she reacts to this. She makes sure to lay all the blame at the Vigs feet even though he was self protecting. The mafia want the vigs gone

So again we have two townies dead at this rate we will over run by the mafia! And who was it that was saying how so good for town Vig were!

I still think there is something odd about having two Vig in the game. If Ley is speaking the truth and has only one shot, he is now harmless, so to speak. But Peace, why don't you be honest with us and let us know how many kills you have left! I think you are a serial killer.

So Peace still has some WIFOM. This scares the mafia. Talya pushes for him to reveal more also pushes in the direction of his lynch

Then Ed comes along

You guys are freaking stupid.

Peace

Now, what is your full role?

See how he goes for Peace, the threat, not Ley anymore. Hes also working to the same goals Talya is

Effing rookie play indeed. From the flavor it looks like everyone and their brother went after Len, and brought their neighbor too. And Mafia is just sitting back and lettinb Town take out their own since it looks like they went after Dice. The no coroner again makes it obvious.

So well done, really, with all the Night reveals and the willy nilly Vig shots, we won't have to wait for scum to pick us off, we'll just hand them the game ourselves.

As always, great scene Ithi. You're still evil though.

Ishy also ignores the fact that self protecting he should of been safe.

 

I did not bloody shoot last night. Was hoping to bloody draw the mafia kill on me.

As you seem to be good at killing the town for them why would they?

I believe Ley is bloody vig as well.

Read the post by Ithi, there were two kills on Len, that is why he died, first one he was going to live from, then the last came in! So as Ley already claimed one shot, Dice is obviously Mafia, that leaves you! Or are you now going to tell us there is another Vig out there?

 

See thats not how it works though. A doc protects from all NA used not just one. This isnt the hunger games
Notice how its Talya who is trying to remove the fact a RBer was involved

 

I did not bloody shoot last night. Was hoping to bloody draw the mafia kill on me.

Ithi's scene shows three people going after Len, with two getting shots off. And looks like Dice was the mafia kill, so unless you're telling me that scum has two NK's a night, then you sir, are lying.

I kinda agree. Mafia dont tend to have 2 kills in a night. Im suggesting the 3rd person was a RB

I've been passed bloody info that says Bloody Ed and Bloody Talya are bloody scum. This bloody info has not come from bloody players.

VOTE ED.

Boom. The bomb goes off

Unless you think there are THREE Vig's.

Straight after Ishy ignores it, but then is silent for a while. We know he was on the thread cos he posted this. Strange thing to ignore
he also tests the water with the idea that there could be another Vig

 

Everyone knows bloody scenes are bloody flavor. Wow, bloody rookies.

Ed is bloody scum. I've been given a bloody gift.

The best mods mix flavor and truth. As Ithi is one of the best.....

And it figures that you'd miraculously receive some off the wall gift that you refuse to expound on just as you become the main target. Very conveinient.

Intersting that Ishy is trying to push the fact there were 3 people involved but I cant figure out why
The only reason I can thnk of is to try discredit Peace somehow

Then Ed starts a too and fro with Peace. Very intent in discrediting Peace as any kind of Vig (so to push the SK angle without actually saying it)
And in turn his info (which was fake but spooked the crap out them lol)
Right all of page 88 Is Ed and Ishy working dam hard to disprove Peace however they can

What mistake have I made, I asked you to explain yourself, and you keep adding and changing it. I don't think you are scum! " one shot Vig I can go with, but you lied yesterday and made out you weren't. You said you would not go for anyone true, but you also said you had a list! and would chose one, so which is it. now you say you have info, which I know is wrong (at least my part).

Hoping I had gone to bed, as I usually have gone by now. So you use that to say I have disappeared to make me look like I had gone off.

If you have no more kills, then there should only be a mafia kill tonight?

Interesting BOld. This whole post is about not thinking he is mafia. But Talya says over and over he is a SK but she leaves it out of this post
Thats just weird. It looks like she doesnt want to be seen pushing the Peace lynch at this point
She also sets Peace up for a lynching when more than 2 people die on N3. (which they did and WKB claimed a 3rd Vig that Ishy set up on, and Talya is using here)

So I change my mind. I think the mafia do have a Vig shot or 2 and im thinking WKB is the other member of the team. So lynching Ed will tell us if WKB is telling the truth and verify talya as Mafia

He could have got the "Vanilla Town" bit from the coroner of someone that died...it said Vanilla Town. I don't think he is mafia, I would be surprised if he was. Third Party maybe and it wouldn't take a genius to work out what to say. If he had said that day 1 before anyone had died, then it would be a good indication.

Third party maybe. She seemed so sure before, but not that Ed and IShy are doing the hard work she hangs back and distances
Then RTE comes out with his info. I still think at the time Peace would of given us the most info. Its about half a page after I say that that Ed
.....

Unvote, Vote Talya

For now. I am actually willing to believe you. When did you get this "info" about Talya and myself.
I still think it is a player doing it.

Changes his mind and goes off Peace. To Talya though. It makes me wonder. If we had lynched Talya and she flipped mafia it would of pretty much cleared Ed.
I dont get why he would do this at all?

Interesting night.

This Peace stuff is giving me a headache. I think I'm understanding you can't answer questions directly or you can't just give info but answer questions? Not sure and my Migraine hasn't cleared up fully yet!
I don't believe the info he has been given because I know I'm town, so the info is wrong, I don't know about Ed. He seems to be gunning for Peace and then suddenly flips to vote for me, looks like self preservation to me!
Notice how she makes sure to add "I dont know about Ed" and then starts distancing from him

I did see your quote before I posted if that's what you're wondering about?

Just that I didn't understand what the quote had to do with what you wrote

This and what you said before is the at lease the second time you have just followed what someone has said blindly. you don't seem to post any thoughts of your own. makes you look like you are scum hunting but not doing anything and hiding behind other people. I think you are scum! Interesting you should say that cos he got Vig killed that night and WKB is clearing Ed with that kill
You didn't read or discuss the whole stuff on what Basel and Ed said about how Basal thought Peace was town. Just came straight in and went for the vote. If you had read the whole interaction you would have understood the quote and the context.

 

Please make statements.

No thanks. I intend to spend whatever time you or I have remaining in the game ignoring you. You're a distraction and contribute nothing to the game. Except spreading annoyance, frustration and anger.

This really doesn't help town whatsoever, you don't just ignore someone because you don't like what they say. another one that I'm suspicious of.
Just a little distancing from Ishy
RTE: There is another way he could know who has the Ark, if he was mafia. He would know that the team didn't have it, so could easily say this. Either way it means that both Peace (except if he was third party how would this look if RTE is telling the truth) and Basel are town. RTE I will reserve judgement on.
Putting down RTEs info cos it it hinders the mafia but doesnt seem prepared to lynch Peace all of a sudden now that his flip is tied with hers and Eds Fate
About the PM's I had to ask a few questions when I first saw mine, I would think that everyone would do that. Not just have a quick look and leave it.

It would be nice if more people actually took part, again it always seems to be the same few talking *sighs*

 

Right that takes me up to page 95 and i need to go to uni

 

 

[ed2funy]

Ed stop calling half of what you quote BS. Its lazy

 

[dapianoplay3r]

Ill get to it allline by line soon

 

also im not lying. Lying in mafia is stupid espevially about quotes. Its hw i inturprrted your posts amd i think youre mafia

 

i find inn weird that you are fighting so hard to discredit me though. If you are now a vanilla town like you claim surely your lynch would out a.mafia in peace, so in your shoes id be ebcouraging my own lynch. Thats why i dont think you are town, i dont feel like you are playing towards the greater good

[ed2funy]

No, because with all that Ark crap, I actually still believe Peace is town right now. 

Because if I don't, then I can't believe that Basel or the other involved in it are. 

 

And wanting your own death to come about is stupid for town. Whether you try voting yourself or you just let people lynch you without a fight.

 

And I am discrediting the portions that are OBVIOUS lies. Lies and selective quoting. 

[peacesells]

Whole bunch of WOT...no reason about why I'm bitter???????????

 

I'm not bitter. I'm drunk and in vegas....yeeeeeehaaaaw.

 

 

Ed is scum.  Ed had dropped his meta and is fighting for his scum life.   

[dapianoplay3r]

What ypu ate saying doesnt make sense. If peace abd basel are town cos of RTE you have to be mafia

 

your own death isnt always stupid for town. Ive sacrificed myself before

 

Abput these "lies" it makes o sebse to lie. But i have been selective with quotes. For space, time and necessityy. If i quoted every post youve made this game itd be just farcical. You have as many as i do

[dapianoplay3r]

Lol have fun peace

[peacesells]

I and others have lied plenty of times as town.  this game is full of lies.  how do you scum hunt without lies?  I lie way more as town than scum.  Less consequences. 

[peacesells]

If I can type a sentence without spelling errors after drinking 15-20 beers...Dap should be able to type one not drunk.  Seriously dude...get your shyte together.

[dapianoplay3r]

I have fat thumbs and the lack of the will to care about spelling and correcting

I don't usually proof my posts. Just preview and make sure my code is right

[dapianoplay3r]

 

 

@MODs is Darthes coroner meant to suggest his BPV was used or is it English being funky?

 

The coroner report neither confirms nor denies if Darthe used his BPV.

Something i want to out forward

 

Not all BPVs protect from lynches, usually it's only a NK or Vig protection

So what if Ed never shot Darthe at all. It's possible Darthe still had his BPV when he was lynched and the mafia jumped on that to try clear a member by claiming Vig

 

That would mean the then vanilla is in the future tense, not the past tense. god I hate English as a language sometimes. I'm just going to go check the scenes and see if there is a mention of it there or if Darthe mentioned it

I might be wrong but those words had been niggling at me for a while now

[dapianoplay3r]

Looking for your reveal and I found this.

 

 

Me too?

Are you calling gambit?

Simple old me pulling a gambit. Im far to innocent for that :eyerroll:

 

This is what I imagine you doing right now:

 

Haha Betty makes me laugh

 

Anyway here's his reveal. Ages after Darthe was lynched really

 

  

Dap, that was confusing. But I only voted Talya to have my vote on someone (explained below). 

 

Now, here goes nothing. 

 

I am wondering who sent that info to Peace. Because I think it's a role the mafia has. 

Seriously, you up and get a message that TWO people are scum? Sorry, a bit over powered without a balance. The question is, is it all wrong, or just partially (thus, I moved my vote to Talya). 

 

Now, go back and think about Darthe's death. Read his Coroner report, and then think why I didn't believe you were a Vig, especially after Ley claimed he was a 1x Vig. Think why I kept asking you how many shots you had, Peace. Because I shot at Darthe Night 1. That's why he was Vanilla already (though, I'm honestly not sure if that would have shown the same if I hadn't shot him). I actually thought my kill had been redirected to Kae by someone. Turns out you shot her. 

It makes me wonder how many more 1x BPVs there are. And if there aren't any, with THREE 1x Vigs, it makes one wonder exactly what the mafia has to balance that. Like say, just maybe, a role that allows them to send another player a message via the Mod? 

 

Anyways, I'm town. I keep going back and forth on Peace, but I am leaning town. I think Ley is town. 

 

Tayla... well, it might sound crazy, but another reason I voted her, is that if the mafia DID send the "info" to Peace, then it could be a gambit to vet Talya. If the lynch on Peace went through, you'd all either lynch Talya or myself. So, if Peace flipped town, I think I'd be next. But once I flipped town, well, it'd be easy for Talya to skate by. 

I think I'm just being paranoid, but yea. I could see that happening. 

 

I also don't like how Ishy has just been goading here and there without really adding anything. 

 

 

 

 

 

So, tl;dr:

Ed is Town. Ed was 1x Vig. Ed shot Darthe N1. Ed became Vanilla. Darthe was 1x BPV. Darthe became Vanilla. 

Peace might be town. Ley probably is town. Talya could be scum and part of a crazy gambit. 

No like Ishy. 

So yea

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

Hello :)

[lolguy26]

When is night over ithi?

[Ithillian Turambar]

How long is a piece of string?

[lolguy26]

As long as the string is

[dapianoplay3r]

Now, all of your casing is you assuming I am mafia, which I am not, so you're being blinded by that fact. You're not looking at actual facts. 

 

 

so computer crashed and  i lost everything

this is the speed version as i try find every quote again

So far, scummy read on Peace, Rand and Ley, although as stated, Peace may be suffering from a PR.

 

Town read on Ed and Talya.

 

Interested to se what's going to happen to Len and Darthe now that they failed to post as instructed.

 

May be scarce tonight and early tomorrow, chemo is a bitch.

look who has a town read on Ed and Talya so early in the game

 

At this point, I don't think Ishy knew Talya was the Symp. She wouldn't of been recruited at this point so this might of been the caseIf he didn't, he was being smart and tagging two townies (in his mind) to create wifom over. Or a town (in his mind) and a mafia together If he did, then he was being even smarter and tagging one townie with a symp to create wifom over.  or two mafia to create WIFOM

 

Those of you that think Ishy purposely tagged two scumbags are ridiculous.  Why? The very reason you are using this as a defence is a reason to link two mafia to create WIFOM

 

 

I hope you're all ok, Ithi!

 

The Grabs Hat Trap was bad, Player. It could have been worse. Imagine if enough people risked it and it took 2 people to lynch. D:

Even lowering it by three is bad.

 

Now, with 24 players, it takes 10 to lynch.

 

Assuming there are about 5 bad guys, that could be half our lynch. The mafia just won a major hand, methinks.

 

he starts off fearmongering

I call him up on his posts and

 

Yea, I gather it's just for today, but  I think it is pretty bad.

 

I'm not saying they can kill whoever they want, but it is has become extremely easier for them. Yea, the mafia won't all be on one lynch - this early in a game, they rarely are - but even still, it takes less to lynch and statistically, they have the advantage here.

And he does a weird and awkward back up

If he doesnt think they will all be on then why was he so intent on pushing this. 

 

Fear mongering or not, it was true. In a game this size, we're looking at around 5 bad guys, and that was half the lynch. I didn't say they'd all be on it, just that they could. you said that "the mafia won't all be one one lynch - this early in the game". If you believed that then it wasnt half the issue that you made it out to be.

Don't just bold half of that, either. Read the rest of it. the rest says "they rarely are - but even still it's takes less to lynch statistically, they have the advantage here". They have the advantage from day 1 without the lowered lynch, that's why there are less of them to balance that. You make this a big issue to make people wary of voting With a reduced lynch, they still had a great advantage compared to most Days 1, where mafia already have the upper hand.  it wasn't a "great" advantage, it was just a slight advantage. If we had gone with Talya like I said it would of been a disadvantage to the mafia

 

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That's one hell of a flimsy save if I ever saw one

Especially when we have a reduced number of votes needed for lynch

Oh look, fear mongering. oh no!

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Final Day 1 Vote Count:

Time - 10 (Chuckles, Ley, Talya, Peace, Mish, Ed, Darthe, Cloud, Kae, Dice)

With 24 alive it takes 10 to Lynch

This is the VC from Time's lynch on D1, by the way. Those crossed out are dead. Currently, I believe Peace is town, if playing poorly. I am town. I am have a feeling Cloud is scum.  

 

 

It's not the end of the world, but we can't just ignore it.

Mafia wins by having a majority and controlling the Vote Count.

For today, they have a bigger hand in the lynch than they normally would.

 

It's not something we just ignore, Wesley!

Once again i refer to that post about not all being on the vote. I agree. its silly to be on the same train D1. So this isnt legit its just him scaring people

 

Also notice how he is buddying. He calls me Wesley not Dap when he is trying to buddy

Once again, I still believe they had a major advantage that day. They had less work to do to get a lynch. Less votes to actually place themselves, and if they used the same amount they normally would, they had an even easier time.  meh arguing this more is kinda moot. I partially agree, they did have an advantage, but you made it sound so much worse than it was.

 

Not buddying. I just happen to know your real name and use it randomly. I do it all over DM, too. I even use Ethan's name random times. I do too. Using real names isn't that big of a deal, but you normally use st my real name, it just jumped out at me that when you were disagreeing with me or ting to color me scummy you stopped using my real name.

Although, you're one of the few people whose real name I know and can remember it's matching DM handle. i always knew I was special

 

Right Talya gets called a Symp by Dice

Ed and Ishy are both quick to try discount dice and paint him scummy. (lots of people called him out, very few called him scummy)

 

You going to actually quote this? 

Let's at least LINK Dice voting for Talya and calling her a Symp. 

Here are MY NEXT TWO POSTS (a few pages apart).

*laughs and cheers Ishy on*

 

Dice, I have to say that is a REALLY tenuous string you're tying between Ley and Talya.

DM/browswers eating posts happens a lot, that I've seen.

Len, as much as young Wesley has been pretty offensive this game, he has a point. Pull your panties out of those dark places.

 

Now, let's go back and look at another few reactions to the Dice/Symp thing.

Seriously Dice, you are grasping for straws, I think that's one of the worst attempts to link someone I've ever seen.

 

unvote vote Dice

I'm here.

 

I'm a little confused as to where all this symp talk is coming from. And also a little suspicious of Dice laying out his symp scenario. Seems a little too detailed and knowledgeable.

 

*laughs and cheers Ishy on*

 

Dice, I have to say that is a REALLY tenuous string you're tying between Ley and Talya.

DM/browswers eating posts happens a lot, that I've seen.

 

This

I copy everything before I post it cos DM keeps eating my posts so regularly

Maybe that was his tell to the mafia - he had to accuse someone of being the symp..haha

That's a good point. But I'm still not convinced there is a symp in the game. You both seem pretty sure there is

I'd think its more likely that he can't see the QT and is using the word symp to attract attention, if he is a symp

So yea if there is a symp I'm more inclined to ay it's dice 

 

Oh, is that where you agree with me that his linking is tenuous? Or are you agreeing with the invisible part of my post where I call him scummy? 

IN FACT, you yourself call him scummy. Well now, if you're going to lie, man, don't make it so easy to quote the truth. 

ill give you this. I went through and you didn't call him scummy outright and I did. I still read the tenuous link quote as you calling him a bit scummy but you didn't do as much as I had thought.

Still if I take this totally out of account you are still very scummy, but I do see what you mean that others did it more than you. I might be tunnelling on you a bit but I can't shake the feeling that you're mafia and now we have pretty much confirmed town players claiming you are mafia due to their roles. So yea

Sorry but your are still mafia

 

 

 

Len, as much as young Wesley has been pretty offensive this game, he has a point. Pull your panties out of those dark places.

right So Ed is buddying up to me again and using my real name. Watch as this changes

 

Again, not buddying. Simply going back and forth on your name because I actually call you by both. 

it looks like buddying to me. When you are agreeing with me you say Wesley. When you disagree you we saying player or dap or piano, so that's why

 

 

 

I think he is going to suicide bomb someone. That's how it sounds. Bad Tiink.

A bit more needless fearmongering

 

That quote was in response to THIS post by Tiink. 

Not going to quote box it because I have too many quotes and have already had to cut some out of this reply. Here is his post if you are too lazy to read it. 

"I can't wait for Night so I can bust out this joke."

So yes, I was fear mongering a joke. That's right. You're using selective quoting. 

i don't see how that quote helps your case at all? Someone will have to explain this to me but you mention suicide bombs. I mafia when someone mentions bombs it generally scares people off their lynch. It's like shouting bomb at an airport. Joke or not it's a scummy thing to do and the airport security would tackle you on the spot

 

 

 

I really like Daps case and could get behind several of those trains.  However, it doesn't change that we would be leaving Ed alive to submit night kills.

 So Darthe posts this, and Ed keeps asking Darthe for his case but doesnt really push too hard. He seems pretty sure he is safe

 

Then I do my case on Talya and....

 

 

I am skimming these giant posts at this point.  I see a lot of dice talk but no case on dice.

Pot. Meet kettle.

 

I see a lot of talk about Ed in your posts, but no case. Unless you expect us to consider people unvoting their obvious joke votes as a case.

Ishy comes out and tried to move the attention back to Darthe and Ed (who had a pretty weak case on him)

He tries to steer us all to Darthe (this is before my case on Darthe, we will look at how they act once the case on Darthe happens)

 

Then Darthe post this

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/79828-mafia-game-indiana-jones-and-the-raiders-of-the-lost-ark-night-3/?p=2812726

He changes his mind about Talya and lets go of Ed for now. 

 

Let's look at this next quote. This is the post after Ishy's you quoted above. You weren't talking to anyone but him because his post was right after another of yours. 

 

 

You just stole my line

 

So, you agree with Ishy, and apparently were even planing on mentioning something along the same lines. Were you trying to steer the game back to Darthe and myself, then? 

 

pot meet kettle. That's what I was referring to. I think I've said it like 3 or 4 times this game alone. It's mine. I'm copyrighting it

 

 

 

P. 17

I like how Dap got all flustered. It was cute.

He is definitely a different mafia player than the last time I played with him.

Oddly, he says I started buddying him, which is just incorrect.

Just to prove the moment he starts distancing he switches to Dap 

Again, me using your names are not a tell on my being scum, as much as you'd like to think so, DapianoWesPlayerley. 

It looks like you swap them around not as randomly as you seem to think

[beanie]

Nice job Dap :) And Dice too I suppose lol. But uh since when can mafia can recruit people?

[dapianoplay3r]

Everyone have their sheep put away? I'm not wearing pants.Vote Darthe.

Ishy pushes Darthe for the lynch

then talya

What I find interesting is all the people that have suddenly come out of the wood work and said I'm town..I know I am, but there is no way they know. Darthe and Kae spring to mind for this. Both they go and put votes on other people. Kae on Dice as well. So Cloud, Mish and Kae have jumped on the Dice bandwagon. There is only one way that someone could know I'm town and that is if they are mafia. I also would like Darthe to explain his comment on me and Cloud more. Kae's vote on Dice and saying she thought I was town also stood out to me, in fact I felt it was quite scummy. She is another that has not said much and spammed a bit odd comment then comes in with she thinks I'm town and votes Dice, also no explanation.

Bold. Same two names. Funny that

Also italics. An example of nonsense that you post sometimes and you asked me to prove

But look how she links everyone.

 

 

I have no idea what you're trying to say with this quote. Same two names as what?

 

 darthe and Kae. Throughout the first day Ishy, Takya and to a lesser extent you, kept referring to those those names

 

I can't believe that no one but me is voting for Darthe.

We now have two competing trains, but only a day and a half to get er dun. Somebody wow me.Unvote.

Darthe doesnt seem to be gaining traction but he stops pushing cos Ed and Talya are out of the running at this point

 

So, I'm gathering in this post you're trying to link Talya and Ishy to myself? I can't recall ever actually being in the running during Day 1, though, so this doesn't make sense. Or it makes even less sense because I'm not mafia.

we spent a large portion of the day arguing over your three joke votes that started you as a train. It wasnt well founded or intense at the time but you were still a lot more in the running than most of the other players

 

 

*wows Ishy* Either Darthe is just playing poorly while trying to see what pops up, or he is a Jester, imo.

So at this point Ed doesnt think Darthe is mafia

 

At that time, no. yay we agree on something?

 

 

 

A Jester? With this theme?

Doubt it. Only character that would fit would be the monkey.

Wait. That's you isn't it?

Ishy doesnt try to fight for his claim that Darthe is mafia. He just dicounts a jester. It would seem more normal if ishy had said "doubt it" blah blah blah "He is probably mafia"

normally ishy fights harder.

After many attempts I finally post my WOT on Darthe

 

I realize you think I am mafia and are forcing that into whatever you think fits, but I don't see how this fits into anything.HERE is your WOT you're talking about, though.  I totally didn't read the nice version because I struggled reading through your crappy version.  

  I feel that quote didn't fit ishys meta. That's why I quoted it. I'm not sure why you included a link to my wot though? I just mentioned it to give te timeframe

 

See? That's what I was trying to say, I just don't post miles and miles of WoT's. Darthe should definitely be the lynch today.

Ishy is suddenly back on the Darthe train

 

Check out this quote below. It's from the case on Darthe that you mentioned and I linked above. 

I think Ishy was onto something

Darthe is probably mafia too

You also agreed with Ishy at the end of your WOT.

So, when you read it in that context (it's proper context, methinks), he was agreeing with you agreeing with him. 

the thing I'm trying to show is he seemed disinterested in the Darthe lynch after you and Talya were off the cards and the town wasnt biting. That is until I made a proper case. Once it was back on the cards Ishy jumped on it

So I'm suggesting he wasnt in it just to get Darthe lynched. He had deeper reasons and when he fulfilled those he moved on, he only comes back cos it looked like an easy lynch on a town player and he had already called them out so he wouldn't look scummy jumping on darthes train

 

 

 

Ley is scum. Scumbag. Dirtbag. haha, I havne't finished my read-through becaus eDM won't let me quote and reply proper.y

Ed however goes away from that to Ley. He hardly acknowledges it at all. Looks like he is trying to stay away from it now that he isnt in the limelight

 READ the reason why. Ley and I had been having interactions already. This wasn't something new that popped up.

you still drop the Darthe thing. For your peace of mind though think of that as saying "ed however goes away from that to continue on Ley". To me it looks like you were avoiding the Darthe lynch cos you knew he would flip town. That's something mafia do to try gain town cred.

 

For info, that link (above) is Ley saying I hadn't replied to him. LATER, I come back and tell him I had. 

Also, I think I was drunk that night. >.< Yea, that was the night I was drunk.  

 

drunk mafia is fun

 

 

 

Ley is scum. Scumbag. Dirtbag. haha, I havne't finished my read-through becaus eDM won't let me quote and reply proper.y

Not a snowballs chance in hell. Your posts still read as fake. Scum.

 

Darthe calls ed out and all three and back on his case in one form or another

Scum or not, Ishy makes a valid point about Darthe tunneling on me. But yes, he does come and put his vote on Darthe. 

Seeing as you seem to be trying to link Ishy, Talya, and myself still, HERE is Talya voting Dice. 

My next post was the one I linked previously replying to Ley (linking my original reply to him he kept asking for). 

My second post after that is one of my recaps where I voted Lenlo. In this, the most I mention of Darthe during the recap is his insistence on my D1 "train" building too fast and "derailing." I mention Lenlo, Darthe, and Kae are on my scum list.  remember those two names you asked about. Darthe and Kae. Here are again

Your next post after mine, you vote Talya, but say you're willing to switch to Darthe. 

I thought they were both mafia

 

 

All this stuff being said about you, and you just ignore it to keep tunneling on Ed. *facepalm*

Discrediting Darthe a bit

 

Ah, look above. First link "valid point." Because honestly, it was. 

  mafia use stuff like this to discredit town players. Town use it to find mafia so it's a good hiding place. Valid or not, doesn't mean he wasnt taking advantage of the situation

 

 

Putting my vote back where it was. I still think he's the best option to catch scum today.Vote Darthe.

Naming Darthe scum and voting him now that he is back on the cards

 

And not much of a comment. Linked above, too. 

 

 

 

Darthe - The bit about the trap, personally I think the trap was a game related thing. and I doubt mafia not town knew anything about it. Players observation on Darthe about making Len seem town because of his comment seems odd, I don't think Darthe knew anymore, but trying to suggest they do is odd. he seems very quick to say someone is town, or mafia, and the lack of explanation is not good. Why would he draw attention to himself like this? At one point I was on the Iffy list, and now I'm town - why? what has happened to change that. You give nothing that helps town at all.

I have to disagree with Player on when Darthe when he said about someone having the kill shot. In games that are more then the basic, most kills are done by one of the mafia, mainly because there maybe a roleblocker, or similar in the game and so you need to assign roles. doesn't mean that kill role dies with the person, but that it is passed on. This is how I have seen it set up many times and how I set it up. Can't remember the last game I was in when it wasn't set up that way! Sometimes it is set up that the kill has to be given by one person, but haven't seen that for ages!

I would like to hear from Darthe in his response.

But in the meantime, VOTE TIME

First off the Vote means that Ishy is on one leading train, Talya on another, and Ed on the third, while none are on Talyas train

As for Talyas stuff on Darthe. She seems very adamant to push the idea that the traps arent known by the mafia or the town so that doesnt prove anything. But she slowly turns it so that Darthe is scummy

She then goes on about the NK and a possible RB. Roo said my viewing was a no result. That would be cos of a RB i think

Seems like she know a little too much on that, and if she knew about one she should have some facts to base the other on. I know RB can be town sometimes but in this case I think its a mafia thing. It also explains why Len died when im pretty sure he was self protecting

 

I agree she was pushing that angle of the traps to make Darthe scummy. 

This was Day 1, still, so I'm wondering if she had been recruited or could just see the QT. 

recruits are NAs in my experience so I don't think se had been

 

Other than agreeing with you about Talya's actions, I'd like to point out that the "connections" you're seeing between Talya, Ishy, and myself just didn't exist. 

reading through the thread I disagree, I saw them so I named you mafia. Just like to point out I selectively quoted Talya here and you don't seem bothered. I always trim down quotes if I can

 

 

Interestingly, Ishy makes THIS comment, which I find odd. He basically places a FoS on Dice and gets it into people's head that Dice has too much knowledge (i.e. He is Mafia). But he doesn't vote him. I don't like this post at all.Right. Ed starts to distance from Ishy and Dice

Talya, jokingly or not, rounds the Symp accusation on Dice.He follows with Talya but by the end of the post he no longer seems to find her scummy

Dap gets back on Tayla about her exclamation marks saying it's just her way of not having serious convos, ignoring the fact that she has been weighing in more than most people.He starts to ignore the rest of my case on Talya and paints it as all about the !

Dap thinks Dice is most likely mafia or a symp, himself. Yet Dap still have no vote down, though. As much as he has been talking all game, he has not put his vote where his mouth is yet. HEREBut i didnt. Ed is trying to link me with Dice at this point. I said 3 options. out of the 3, 1 was about him being mafia which i thought was unlikely. I thought it was more likely he was a symp or had just discovered the role in a previous game and was excited.I like to save my votes. It makes them worth more

Ishy agrees there is good reason to be voting Dice (but hasn't yet), but calls Len out for his nonchalant voting, HERELinks me with Ishy.

Darthe begins his catch-up read and makes quite a few spammy posts. Also finally sees the Trap post and asks if he can still post.THIS is the post where he votes me and says my train was validly built up and then derailed. We've since learned that he was blowing this out of proportion.We've since learned is an interesting turn of phrase. It suggests Ed is part of the group and that blowing it out of proportion was fact. I dont like the way he uses it

Not much in between until HERE I call Darthe on his outlandish claims.Which only seems to happen when Talya or you are getting heatHERE, Darthe replies saying he thought the first two votes on me were for "moderate" reasons, even though they were joke votes on page 2.

I ask if he skimmed, Peace comes to his defense, and I explain HERE.Linking Peace to DartheHERE, Darthe completely ignores my post debunking his stupid claims.But you dont push him that hardHERE, Darthe says people should stop using Peace's PR as a means to lynch him. NO ONE is voting Peace. Interesting to make this comment, imo.He actually tells people to stop going on about the PR and complaining about it cos its not a reason to lynch someone. I dont think he was suggesting Peace was getting lynched, we was suggesting the chat would eventually lead to pointless votes. You are twisting these quotes and cos not everyone is clicking the links you are getting away with it more often than if you quoted them directlyHERE, Darthe again says that my train was valid and shouldn't have stalled. That it looks like scum distancing themselves. Then attacks my play for being self-centered and non-contributory. *snorts* Seeing as he hasn't exactly been helping move the game along.Well it seems he has. Everytime he votes or calls out you or Talya, Ishy and you two are suddenly far more aggressive. Its subtle but its there

Him {Lenlo}, Darthe, and Kae are on my scum list at the moment. Lenlo because of his vote on Dice and his posts following it. Darthe because of his defense of him, and his general crappy play. Kae because of her lack of posting and her poor excuse for it.

Kae again

They were definatly grooming her for a lynch Day 2

For those that don't realize they can click the little arrow on the right side to go to the post, HERE is my full post Senor Wesley only quoted PART OF. Very scummy. You can reply to only part of the post but leave the whole thing there.

that's just a giant waste of space. You were the one that told people at the beginning to trim their quotes to save space

 

1. I can see how you'd take that as distancing from Ishy when you think I'm scum, but not Dice. Also, I just thought the post was odd. Which I think you commented (and I replied) in that last post.  by calling it up you link the two of them together. So when you disagree with it and find it "odd" you distance yourself from those two

2. On this point, I don't call her scum or town for that. The whole time I didn't know what to think of her. So I didn't change anything. i got the impression you found her scummy.

3. I honestly don't think I read your full case on her. Because yea, all I was seeing were things that didn't make sense. Especially the !s.  http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/79828-mafia-game-indiana-jones-and-the-raiders-of-the-lost-ark-night-4/?p=2808532

Blame the skimmer not me.

4. I think you said the same thing back then. But you said you were "leaning" toward the second two options (he had recently encountered the role, or was a symp).  You would have said you didn't think he was mafia if you didn't think that. It's not linking, it's exactly what you said.  I use the term leaning all the time. I was leaning town on you for most of the game till ishys flip. I didn't think you were mafia but I never said it outright. But I didn't think he was mafia, I think his teammates would of prepped him better if he was planning to mention a symp

5. So? You're trying to link me with Ishy. No, I wasn't trying to link you two, though. I would have actually made the connection if I thought you were linked with him.  so if you don't think I'm linked with him you don't think I'm mafia. Yet several times this game you have suggested that I should be lynched (calling me destructive to the game and stuff. Similar to what you did with peace but not as extensive)

6. I'm sorry, but what the fig? Of course it suggests I'm part of a group. I was saying this whole game has since learned it was bs. The blowing it out of proportion was fact. There was no train. Train implies valid reasons. It felt like you were using we as in the town, nt all the players. Train also doesn't mean valid reasons. It means a collection of votes on a person. A train should be valid IMO but it doesn't have to be for it to be called a train.

Trains with no reasons are poor mafia IMO.

7. If you're going to make outlandish claims, link or quote. Stop BSing. The only "heat" I had from Darthe, and we all know what I thought of his attentions on me. i was starting to consider you someone to look at, Darthe was going after you and peace was calling you out for skimming like Darthe. For D1 that's some heat IMO .

8. Linking. I do not think it means what you think it means. If you go back and read, Peace literally is defending Darthe. it feels like more of a personal view on skimming than full on defending but I see what you mean. He was doing some defending. Still you wanted peace gone and you were too keen on Darthe. Both are pretty much confirmed town

9. Darthe wasn't playing the game properly. If he wasn't going to reply, I wasn't going to keep at it. When he did reply, I replied back. And what was I supposed to be pushing for? Talya stopped replying and I kept pushing, I got a mafia. It looks like you are just pushing enought to be seen scum hunting but not having to actually commit. I mean you've spent more time trying to get peace lynched as a Vig (when you say you are one yourself so you would think he was town if that was true) and defending yourself

10. This is literally what he said: 

"And a PR isn't valid as means to lynch someone so can all of you lily guys shut up about it?!"How is that not saying we shouldn't lynch Peace? No one was using Peace's "PR" as a reason to lynch another player. They were just getting aggravated with Peace. And the reason I didn't quote posts was because DM was acting up. If you actually go to my post, you can see those lines you took out of my quote (along with half of my recap). So, who is twisting quotes again? 

im saying that people would of given this as a reason to lynch him given time. And that did happen if I remember rightly. People got to the point of up such annoyance with peace and his PRs and Vig claim and stuff that it did come up.

I'm going to come back to this tomorrow though. I'm tired and I can't make sense if all those nots and shouldn'ts and negatives and double negatives .

11. I can't account for Talya or Ishy, but of course I'm going to reply to him when he keeps insisting with that bs. Also, that is directly contradictory to you saying I didn't push him that hard. So yea.

i expect you to be replying to him, the fact is two known mafia also reacted to you getting pressure  

 

 

 

Unvote, Vote Time. In case I can't get on in time.

/>UNOfficial Vote Count:

Eddie - 1 (Rey)

Ley - 1 (Time)

Talya - 5 (Dice, Rand, Arez, Maw, Player)

Dice - 4 (RTE, Len, Cloud, Basel)

Time - 7 (Chuckles, Ley, Talya, Peace, Mish, Ed, Darthe)

Darthe - 1 (Ishy)

Currently not voting - 5 (Roo, Hallia, Song, Kae, Cyan)

With 24 alive it takes 10 to Lynch

The current Deadline is 9pm GMT Monday 4th March

* please feel free to correct me

Earlier I miss cased Darthe with this. But Ed was the one along with Darthe that made Times train a thing over Talyas

Both were on 5 votes and Ed chose Time over Talya

 

I freely admitted to this, HERE. But explained my vote and wondered at the sudden speed thereafter. So I'm not sure how you missed that fact. 

 

 i didn't miss it. The thing is you picked time over Talya, you chose someone who flipped town over someone who flipped mafia. If Talya was still alive and we just lynched Ishy. When we looked back at that deciding vote we all would of jumped on Talya cos he was saving her by voting another. So I'm saying that's what it looks like you are doing. It looks to me like the fact you happened to chose the town to lynch instead of the mafia is very coincidental, and I don't think it is a coincidence

 

And before you people start saying she had plenty of time to defend herself, I just went back and looked. She's in my timezone, and before she left for school, she had four votes, was sitting at L-6, wasn't even the largest train.

You are all asses.

Look who got all offended. I bet you were quietly pleased

But it still wasnt fair not to let her speak

We should of lynched Talya

Incidently

 

This post just is confusing. I'm really not sure where you're going with this.

 

well, I think it's funny how Ishy pretends to be all up in arms about it. Next paragraph I have a personal bitch, cos I think everyone should get a chance to speak

Lastly I was saying we should of lynched the actual mafia.

[dapianoplay3r]

Ook I have to stop here

 

Cyan a symp is a player that the mafia sometimes are able to recruit, they are mafia aligned but not on the QT

Sometimes if they are NKed they are mafia mafia instead

Other times they get a NA where they must find a member on the team.

And sometimes they can't be recruited at all

 

It's a hard role to play IMO (I've always sucked at it)