BASE MAFIA - Mafia Wins!

[Andrej]

The results at the end of this day will be very telling.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Eh. Hopefully.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Until we know if Tiink is scum or not we should still consider his opinions.

[Andrej]

I'm willing to listen. I know that I have pushed his lynch rather hard, but I had my reasons for it and have stood by them. Again, only his coroner report will tell the truth.

[dapianoplay3r]

 

Here we go:

Tiinker:

Much, much has been said. Much more than I need to quote and regurgitate for

the umpteenth time here. What I can say is I don’t buy that you didn’t know

about the day 1 pass thing, as apparently Dap pointed out. You’re much better

than that. You’re too good, you shouldn’t have made a mistake like that. That

you tried tooth and nail to defend it and fought too long and too hard is

really suspicious. Town or not at this point you’re in a hole far too deep to

crawl out of and you’re likely getting lynched. I will have a part in that but

you have to wait till the end of this post like everyone else.

 

LedZepMan: Definitely needs to be more active but nothing to suggest that he’s scum

otherwise. Makes a good point that TG is trying to throw him under the bus for

something he’s just as guilty of (being inactive).

 

Peace: Town read. Not much else to say right now. Making short, relevant posts. Always appreciated. But Peace plays a smart game. Worth bearing in mind.

 

Dap: Dap is

an interesting one. He’s been town in every game I’ve played with him. He’s

active, but he’s smart. He pushes, a lot. What scares me most about Dap? He’s

smart enough that he wouldn’t change a thing about his playstyle as Mafia. And

it is bound to happen… Maybe this game? No idea. But we have to keep an eye on

how he votes. He likes waiting for the hammer, but that will raise more

questions than it answers. But he won’t care.

 

Rand: More of the same. Town or not, sloppy poster. He’s going to be looked at for the

next votes to come. Needs to really pick up on proof reading his posts. His

schedule has also lent to his lack of activity in recent games but we need to

make sure he’s giving us something to work with when he is around.

 

Andrej: Haven’t seen many other new players but this one is a beaut. Active, maybe too

active (see: suspiciously active), scum hunts, and prods. He isn’t coming into

this with his eyes closed. He’s ready to play. With no meta or past experiences

to go on, Andrej is likely one of the most dangerous players in this game. While

I don’t deny that he can just be “this good”, he may also be getting coached.

That being said, he is being very aggressive, one can wonder if in excess.

Tiinker however made it easy for him for barking up the wrong tree with the

wrong explanations to back it up. I’m keeping an eye on this one. It’s not easy

to be so active and not come across as scummy, but it is possible. Andrej is

good and definitely is playing pro town so far, but there remains a lot to be

seen in terms of how the votes and lynches go.

 

Wheel: Still coming to terms with a playstyle that won’t get her “FoS”ed. Town read,

if only because she’s so careful and worried about improving and how she is

doing. Easily one who can fly under the radar as Mafia though.

 

Turin: This is where my joke vote landed, but not completely without reason. Mafia vet, he

didn’t know Andrej was new, and we all had access to the sign up page. Turin

has been around the block enough to know better, and to know Andrej was new,

and more importantly expect to have new players in a BASE MAFIA game.

 

TG – Off his meta. Usually a very active and vigorous scum hunter, but we just came off a

weekend. Will be interesting to see where his play goes from here. His going

after Led struck me as odd. For one thing I was just as inactive and was

spared, and for another TG himself was very inactive. This rubs me the wrong

way: TG is better than this. Suspicious…

 

Hallia: Playing the perpetual noob card, but showing she knows the ropes and can point

her finger too. Same problem as WoT, can get under the radar and glide by. We

may give her too much room and if she’s Mafia she’ll use it. We need to keep

her posting and see what’s going on.

 

Lolguy aka Chuckles (Andrej, nicknames are a pain in the ass but you’ll pick them up): Not

much to go on. Can be town or scum. Not convinced on either one. Another one

who can glide by on lurking around without contributing too much.

 

Mish: Town vibe due to scum hunting. But scum hunting does not equal town. So far so good

though. Let’s see where she goes.

 

Lenlo: Oddly quiet. Forgot he was quiet. VERY oddly quiet. This is troubling. We

should prod here and see what is going on. I also have a permanent FoS on him

more or less <3

 

John Snow: People are piling on him but I need to figure him out for myself. Not enough to

go by on day 1 but I don’t quite have a town read yet either. Wait and see sort

of deal.

 

Darthe: Insane in the membrane.

 

Oh Look! A whole casing post without quotes! Wow! And it still reflects my opinion and

gives some relevant examples and I didn’t have to quote a quote of another

quote with someone else’s comments in bold in a quote with someone else’s

comments in 3 colors. Wasn’t this easy to read? Cray! (Sorry, it’s like 2:40 am

here and I’m bitter as hell when someone expects me to read a HUGE post which

is 90% wall of quotes. If I read the damn posts you can refer to at least a

couple of them without quoting the WHOLE post for the 2 relevant lines you’d

like to discuss :D )

 

Boo, found the paste from Word button but still doesn't help the awkward formatting. Sorry. Rather make sure I don't lose it than make it look pretty.

Right. So you talk about;

Tiink, LZM, Peace, Dap, Rand, AJ, Time, Turin, TG, Hally, Chuckles, Mish, Len, Snow

So out of 14 people, 7 are people to watch for "lurking". That's half

Now take out the 3 you think are town (me, AJ, Mish), that means 7/11 you think are scummy are inactives. One isn't even in the game as a player

See you go after inactives

 

Now the bold I'm the quote. Can you explain more?

I'm not sure what you mean by their minimal contribution trying to seem as town as possible regardless of their actual alignment. They seem to just want to survive and so while FOSing those guys is useful, it's not necessarily the thing you want to base your case around

So yea explain more please

[dapianoplay3r]

Until we know if Tiink is scum or not we should still consider his opinions.

Look who's setting up for when Tiink flips mafia

 

He totally will and you are his team mate, say hi to him on the QT. I can see his coaching from here

[ReleaseTheEvil]

 

 

Wheel: Still coming to terms with a playstyle that won’t get her “FoS”ed. Town read,

if only because she’s so careful and worried about improving and how she is

doing. Easily one who can fly under the radar as Mafia though.

 

Hallia: Playing the perpetual noob card, but showing she knows the ropes and can point

her finger too. Same problem as WoT, can get under the radar and glide by. We

may give her too much room and if she’s Mafia she’ll use it. We need to keep

her posting and see what’s going on.

 

 

Right. So you talk about;

Tiink, LZM, Peace, Dap, Rand, AJ, Time, Turin, TG, Hally, Chuckles, Mish, Len, Snow

So out of 14 people, 7 are people to watch for "lurking". That's half

Now take out the 3 you think are town (me, AJ, Mish), that means 7/11 you think are scummy are inactives. One isn't even in the game as a player

See you go after inactives

 

Now the bold I'm the quote. Can you explain more?

I'm not sure what you mean by their minimal contribution trying to seem as town as possible regardless of their actual alignment. They seem to just want to survive and so while FOSing those guys is useful, it's not necessarily the thing you want to base your case around

So yea explain more please

 

Is it wrong that I pointed out that about half our game is somewhat lurking right now? Because that's all I did: pointed it out. I didn't say "NEXT LYNCH PLZ" I said they are quiet and we should not forget that they are there playing their own game. If I think that some of the more active players are giving me a town read thus far, what does that leave me with? I'm not going after the inactives. I'm reminding you who they are, in some respects very capable players.

 

I am saying by the bold that Wheel and Hallia are competent players, but their posting in this and recent games seems geared towards letting us believe they are still getting a handle on things, whether it is getting back into Mafia (Hallia) or being active in the right way while avoiding a scum read (WoT). What I'm saying is we shouldn't be fooled by anyone. Everyone except Andrej in this game has enough experience to be taken seriously, regardless of if their posts or if they explicitly say they are working on their play.

 

And Dap, if I was being coached, my team would have told me to stop posting a long time ago. I have a lovely theory that I am testing this game (which should be bloody obvious by now) and so far it is working great.

[lolguy26]

 

 

im not sure how im supposed to explain this, but I AM NOT LURKING!!

(its not my damn fault you guys post when i CANT be on DM )

 

anyway for now i have one question

 

Where is tiink? (and the mods)

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Lurking or not, you aren't posting.

 

Then again, this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black and I don't want to be a hypocrite...

[lolguy26]

how am i supposed to post when almost no one is online? 

 

and ive already posted by thoughts 

[dapianoplay3r]

You dont have to say it outright. I give you.more credit than that

 

the way you phrased it about Time seemed to suggest that she was trying to avoid FOSes, not that she is trying to get us to believe she is still getting the hang of things.

Also what games have led you to this meta assment?

 

As for your team telling you to stop. There seems to be only three of us online atm. I dont think AJ is mafia and im not either so thete isnt anyone to tell you to stop. I bet they will mention it when they catch up tjough

[dapianoplay3r]

Chuckles i manage. Most of the time im on DM the rest of thevworld sleeps

[michellem]

And where is your vote Chuckles? It's fine that the majority of posts come when you're not online. But you've been on, when people have been posting, without giving your thoughts or placing a serious vote!

 

 

RTE; I dislike your attempt at buddying. No-one, even me trying to put the best picture on things, can say that I've been activly scumhunting this game; I was AWOL for half the posts. You're trying to tie yourself to me and I don't like it.

 

 

I disagree with about all of your rant btw; you're looking at it all wrong. First off, a good mafia game is an active mafia game. Peace's Hangar 18 game was killing me because it was so little posting. Instead of complaining, we should all be happy with 20 pages and counting on Day 1! D1 lays down a lot of groundwork, and later in the game, when you've found a mafia or two, going back to reread D1 is a well of information; who backed who, who went after who. On D1 the mafia is still relaxed and have bigger chances or either following on to each others cases (to make a lynch happen and get the game rolling) or do some, in hindsight, blatant distancing by arguing over a tiny thing. It's been in several of the games I've been in where D1-interaction has been crucial later in game to make cases that makes scum dead.

 

Also, casing the mod... Wow.

[michellem]

I'm on a completly differnt timezone that most of the players (think I'm the only European in this game), and I manage just fine. I'm used to waking up in the morning to a ton of new pages, but I just post what I think when I'm online, regardless of if others are online or not.

[lolguy26]

@mish: tiink is at L1, id rather give him a chance to defend himself then hammer him

 

@player: i usually post and follow the games on my phone but cuz of my not so good grades, my parents closed my phone's internet :(

[ReleaseTheEvil]

And where is your vote Chuckles? It's fine that the majority of posts come when you're not online. But you've been on, when people have been posting, without giving your thoughts or placing a serious vote!

 

 

RTE; I dislike your attempt at buddying. No-one, even me trying to put the best picture on things, can say that I've been activly scumhunting this game; I was AWOL for half the posts. You're trying to tie yourself to me and I don't like it.

 

 

I disagree with about all of your rant btw; you're looking at it all wrong. First off, a good mafia game is an active mafia game. Peace's Hangar 18 game was killing me because it was so little posting. Instead of complaining, we should all be happy with 20 pages and counting on Day 1! D1 lays down a lot of groundwork, and later in the game, when you've found a mafia or two, going back to reread D1 is a well of information; who backed who, who went after who. On D1 the mafia is still relaxed and have bigger chances or either following on to each others cases (to make a lynch happen and get the game rolling) or do some, in hindsight, blatant distancing by arguing over a tiny thing. It's been in several of the games I've been in where D1-interaction has been crucial later in game to make cases that makes scum dead.

 

Also, casing the mod... Wow.

 

I don't want to be your buddy, don't worry. I just cased you based on too little information. Although I'd like to hear why Tiink thinks you're scum.

 

I find your paragraph on how to use Day 1 very insightful. I will bear that in mind. It is true that when looking back with a lot more info later in the game, day 1 can show some interesting things.

 

And as for casing the mod, uh, don't trust anyone?

[lolguy26]

I'm on a completly differnt timezone that most of the players (think I'm the only European in this game), and I manage just fine. I'm used to waking up in the morning to a ton of new pages, but I just post what I think when I'm online, regardless of if others are online or not.

 

the difference isnt that big compared to mine, and i do post my thoughts

[ReleaseTheEvil]

You dont have to say it outright. I give you.more credit than that

 

the way you phrased it about Time seemed to suggest that she was trying to avoid FOSes, not that she is trying to get us to believe she is still getting the hang of things.

Also what games have led you to this meta assment?

 

As for your team telling you to stop. There seems to be only three of us online atm. I dont think AJ is mafia and im not either so thete isnt anyone to tell you to stop. I bet they will mention it when they catch up tjough

 

One of the games is ongoing so can't use that, but that one was especially telling. I feel Time and I can relate on difficulties with being active vs wrongfully drawing attention to ourselves. That being said, we need to prod whomever we can to see what we can see.

[michellem]

Chuckles, not the point. There's been plenty of times I've been the only one online, basically talking to myself. And then I go to sleep and find ten new pages in the morning; I know that's how it is. If it's such a big problem for you; why do you play? You might as well just read along on a game without signing up, if you're not gonna be properly active. It just hurts town. This is a team game, wether you're town or mafia, you have a team to support, that needs you.

[Andrej]

I can't comment on your meta Chucky nor will I argue about you not hammering. Dap and Turin have turned me away from that. Let him speak, if he decides to come back and defend himself. Frankly, I think he know he's been outted, but we'll see.

 

You haven't done much in this game. I work a weird schedule myself, I'm usually asleep all day and work a 12 hour shift from 6pm-6am so most of my activity will be on these weirds hours. I asked you directly what you thought about Snow because you left him out of your game thoughts back then while your vote was still on him. You still haven't answered. I realize there is a lot of content to look over, but by you using the excuse that no one is online when you're on to post is a bad one. Read what has taken place and state your thoughts.

[lolguy26]

that isnt the problem (activity is nice)

 

the problem is people keep on saying im lurking when im not 

[Andrej]

RTE your argument about bad attention is bogus. I'm new and have been one of the most active players and thus far haven't been called down too seriously on anything. My play speaks for itself. What are you afraid of?

[ReleaseTheEvil]

that isnt the problem (activity is nice)

 

the problem is people keep on saying im lurking when im not 

 

Well you're posting now so it worked?

[lolguy26]

I can't comment on your meta Chucky nor will I argue about you not hammering. Dap and Turin have turned me away from that. Let him speak, if he decides to come back and defend himself. Frankly, I think he know he's been outted, but we'll see.

 

You haven't done much in this game. I work a weird schedule myself, I'm usually asleep all day and work a 12 hour shift from 6pm-6am so most of my activity will be on these weirds hours. I asked you directly what you thought about Snow because you left him out of your game thoughts back then while your vote was still on him. You still haven't answered. I realize there is a lot of content to look over, but by you using the excuse that no one is online when you're on to post is a bad one. Read what has taken place and state your thoughts.

 

i was going to answer that actually, if you go back and read my post, you'll see the people i had a slight read on and i said the rest were a null 

[lolguy26]

 

that isnt the problem (activity is nice)

 

the problem is people keep on saying im lurking when im not 

 

Well you're posting now so it worked?

 

 

 

i shall ignore that