[TOWN WINS!] BG's Basic Wheel of Time Books Mafia

[RandA lThor]

From what I have seen, that is usually pulled when someone is about to win.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I guess it would depend on what they have to lose. Plus they could come up with all kinds of legit reasons why they are voting for who they are voting. What I am saying is with such a balance in the Trains at the moment, the Mafia don't have to do very much to tip it in their favour.

[RandA lThor]

Unless the worst case scenario happens in which we are both town.

 

I don't know whether or not I should reveal, because I may not be here before the deadline.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I'm still sure Lily is Mafia. She is either sacrificing you because she has a more powerful role, or you might even end up flipping Town lol.

 

But, on the offchance that you are actually Town, and the even slighter off chance that you might be useful to Town - the difference in rules means you need to start assuming you is gonna get deaded in this lynch atm. I thought I would be a good sport and let you know. You or lily anyways, but I don't think Lily will be allowed to die.

[RandA lThor]

Yeah, I don't think I can really use the L-x idea here since it's not random, it can turn into majority and therefore if no one else votes me I can still get lynched. So here is my reveal, I am New Spring, vanilla town. So no, I really won't be that helpful town and yes you will get info from my lynch. However, Lily is more likely to be mafia than I am and I would rather get a mafia lynch then a townie info lynch.

[Ithillian Turambar]

You know, if people want to get rid a of a lot of the wifom in this game, and if Rand does the unlikely thing and manages to pull some great claim out of the bag - but people still don't want to see the Lily case, you should all just flip your votes to me.

 

I will get lynched, be shown as town (which will clear a lot of wifom) and then you can all lynch Lily tomorrow. It's all about the Team win in this game

[Ithillian Turambar]

Vanilla Town makes my offer not really worthwhile, if you are telling the truth and are not mafia that is.

[RandA lThor]

Don't know if enough people will be here that will agree, don't want it to go randomly on one of us, if we do this, it should at least be done together as town. I am willing to get lynched as town to show how Lily is mafia and if Lily is not mafia, then I think Ithi is, but it would be a lot easier to just lynch Lily first. Lily has so much WIFOM for her role, her trying to connect with Despo, her attacking Ithi, and so on. To be truthful, Lily is a better info lynch then me as well, not to mention she is more likely to be scum as Ithi has pointed out in her WoT.

[RandA lThor]

Vanilla Town makes my offer not really worthwhile, if you are telling the truth and are not mafia that is.

 

Yeah, you just ninjad me, as I said it's fine if I get lynched if it helps town, but lynching Lily would be better for info and a better scum chance.

[Tiinker]

I went to bed Despo.

 

Did I miss something?

[Tiinker]

LOL nvm I just misread it.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Oh ... he was saying that I had shut up and had let Turin take over for me, when in fact I just went to bed. I am between 5 and 8 hours ahead of the US and it was gone midnight. So yes, there were about 7 hours when I didn't post in this game.

[Gabriel Kross]

Ithi's already done a case on Lily, so I think I might do a case on Ithi since she is also on my list, and then I could use that to compare to what Lily's case was.

 

Prepare for....

 

MY FIRST EVER WoT!!!!

 

Sorry, I am really excited. :)

 

Do you guys read what I say? I said I was creating a WoT on Ithi so I could compare it to the one on Lily and then decide who was scummier.

 

First off the post you quoted just really is bad. It's not so much that people didn't read it it's you compared your WoT to someone else's WoT on someone else. There are just so many flaws with that.

 

1) Two different people have two different point of views, so if they took the time to do a WoT they are either just going through the motions or are trying to paint the person they are focused on to be the biggest piece of scum in the game. Your WoT felt more like going through the motions, Ithi's felt like she was trying to paint Lily as the evil scum overloard of the universe. Granted none of that alone says anything on Lily's or Ithi's alignment because Ithi's WoT would have been the same either way.

 

2) You made no reasons of your own for voting Lily so typical bandwagony, which you admitted it would be if you decided your WoT wasn't as good as Ithi's

 

3) The OMG YAY reaction is just horrid, and screams of trying to be to town.

 

 

Firstly, congrats.

 

Next, at this point, the lynch is probably going to be either Lily or I. Let me point out that the last votes were done because they didn't read something that I pointed out. My train is currently does not even have legitimate votes right now.

 

That's personal opinion. Just because no reasons were posted does not necesarily mean no reasons exist, we see Wombat do that all the time

 

I don't like Wombat's switch either on top of the fact he never answered my question on why he thought Mish needed particular scrutiny. Des mentions it and Womby is all like "I could go with you as well" (obviously paraphrased)

 

What are you talking about? When did I say Mish needed "particular scrutiny?"

 

The particular scrutiny line was my wording, not necessarily the wording you used, you made a list of 3 people you were keeping your eye on. Misheru, Darthe, and I forget the third but I had agreed with you on Darthe, and the third (I think it might have been Tiink)

 

Why are you scaremongering? There will be no random lynch in this game. Why don't people read the rules? BG clearly said that if a majority Lynch is not achieved before deadline, it will turn into a deadline game at that point and the person with the most votes will get lynched. Why else do you think Lily hopped over to Rand - she just needs to make sure someone else has more votes than her and she is safe. That person is you Rand. Atm you is the one going to get dead. It isn't going to go Random. If there is a reason you need to live, you had best start thinking of it now.

 

Sorry, did not see that, I am too used to random. OK, as I am going to go to sleep and don't know if I will have time tomorrow because of school, I am thinking about revealing right now.

 

Ok, here is some pot vs kettle scenario, Rand called Ithi out earlier for not reading the opening post, turns out he slipped up himself and missed a big thing. You can't have it both ways there buddy. (Let the records show I only skimmed the opening post)

 

Yeah, I don't think I can really use the L-x idea here since it's not random, it can turn into majority and therefore if no one else votes me I can still get lynched. So here is my reveal, I am New Spring, vanilla town. So no, I really won't be that helpful town and yes you will get info from my lynch. However, Lily is more likely to be mafia than I am and I would rather get a mafia lynch then a townie info lynch.

 

Convenient claim since you broke the rules...

 

6. Do not reveal your characters. The theme is for a fun backdrop for scenes and whatnot, but won't interfere in with the game

(copy-pasted from OP)

 

My theory is he posted a character claim since he knew no one could counter. This is solely based on how he has played though. Lynching rand will clear up a few things. If he flips mafia, Ithi is mafia. If he flips town, I'll be inclined to believe Ithi. I am basing my read on Lily solely on recent games that I have teamed with her on on both sides. BG's previous game we were town masons together. Jack D's game on JN we were mafia together

 

 

You know, if people want to get rid a of a lot of the wifom in this game, and if Rand does the unlikely thing and manages to pull some great claim out of the bag - but people still don't want to see the Lily case, you should all just flip your votes to me.

 

I will get lynched, be shown as town (which will clear a lot of wifom) and then you can all lynch Lily tomorrow. It's all about the Team win in this game

 

I don't think that will be necessary with Rand as a possibility. I will unvote and vote rand in next post.

[Gabriel Kross]

unvote vote Rand

[Ithillian Turambar]

I was waiting to see who would point out that Rand had broken the Rules. Only the Mafia would want another player possibly Modkilled for rule breaking as a Town would be worried they could end up getting the Doc or Cop killed by pointing out the error. Add to that EP has done exactly as I predicted and is protecting Lily from the Lynch.

 

I strongly recommend the Lily Lynch to everyone who is Town based on this additional evidence. If she flips Town I will not put up a fight if you lynch me the next day. You may all totally blame me if I am wrong and say it was my fault you voted for her.

[Gabriel Kross]

I was waiting to see who would point out that Rand had broken the Rules. Only the Mafia would want another player possibly Modkilled for rule breaking as a Town would be worried they could end up getting the Doc or Cop killed by pointing out the error. Add to that EP has done exactly as I predicted and is protecting Lily from the Lynch.

 

I strongly recommend the Lily Lynch to everyone who is Town based on this additional evidence. If she flips Town I will not put up a fight if you lynch me the next day. You may all totally blame me if I am wrong and say it was my fault you voted for her.

 

I can move to a Lily lynch as well, I just don't see Rand as being town. Of the 2 that is my hunch. Like I said if Rand flips town Lily has my vote day 2.

[Gabriel Kross]

Also your whole "You fell into my trap" thing is utter nonsense I'd call anyone out on rules, including myself. I've done it before.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Vote her now, and I might believe you are not Mafia - not.

 

Trying to get Rand MKd was very mafioso. BG reads his own Thread and is perfectly aware of what is happening. You just want a Town dead and you don't care how it happens.

[Gabriel Kross]

Vote her now, and I might believe you are not Mafia - not.

 

Trying to get Rand MKd was very mafioso. BG reads his own Thread and is perfectly aware of what is happening. You just want a Town dead and you don't care how it happens.

 

I did not try to get him MK'd did I say hey BG MK rand, I more expect a PR than a MK, I was just pointing out the convenience of the clame after he called you out earlier for not reading the OP

[Gabriel Kross]

You are digging a hole for yourself Ithi, now you are defending Rand so even if he does flip town you get town cred. I had already said I'd be inclined to believe you if he flipped town, you do not have to defend him to get town cred.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I'm not defending him, I'm accusing you. Whether you say you believe I am Town makes no difference to me - I'm not looking to garner support for me. I'm looking to get mafia lynched.

[Gabriel Kross]

Then we should work together because I want them lynched too.

[Gabriel Kross]

If no one agrees with me on my recent Rand stuff I'll move to Lily. Like you saif, it will clear up your wifom if noting else. I just really think Rand is scum.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Vote Lily now - and if people agree with the Rand stuff, you can move to him.

[Gabriel Kross]

Vote Lily now - and if people agree with the Rand stuff, you can move to him.

 

What's the rush? I'll be on all evening. So I can move for a majority whenever. What is the VC btw if my vote is putting Rand ahead of Lily I'll unvote.