he who follows after

[Hyronimus]

this is not a completely original theory but has been hanging about my mind and not mentioned for a while as well as seeming relevent to a number of threads that talk of this prophacey and of callandor.

 

Rand tried to force a prophecy with narishima retrieving callandor, but this fills...unfinished, if callandor is the 'fearfulblade' that has so much significance. And as one theory suggested (sorry I don't know who first suggested this) it may BE the new prison (see: all that his is may be contained) then the person who FOLLOWS AFTER would be the future dragon, or the arch type king who draws the blade from the stone. drawing blade from the stone was one of the first acts Rand preformed to anounce himself. One of the nine impossible deeds in fact.

 

I therefore believe the line of prophesey refers to a dragon of another age who will draw out the blade (callandor) and release the darkone again. possibly still in need of a new bore to completely touch him.

 

if there is an appropriate thead, as always, direct me to it.

[Hyronimus]

thread

[Luckers]

Frankly we don't know what it means. I've suggested that Narishma will pick up Callandor after Rand's death and finish the sealing that Rand started, but in truth I don't like nor believe that theory.

 

One other thought is that the black hand holding Callandor in Min's viewing may be Narishma using Callandor without women, the flaw causing actual fire that burns his hand black and crispy resulting in him losing it--the 'follows after' being he ends up one handed like Rand... again just rough thoughts.

 

By the way you don't have to post a correction in a second post, you can just edit your first one. :)

[John Snow]

My theory (highly unlikely) was that Rand somehow got his left hand replaced, for as I recall, it was not a black hand, but a hand of obsidion? Just a guess...I'm going to have to find the quote now to make sure...

[FarShainMael]

It looked like onyx, according to Min (ToM51). But hey.. onyx, obsidian.. a dark, hard rock.

[skyfirex]

Really good topic not often discussed, it seems.

 

Into the heart he thrusts his sword,

into the heart, to hold their hearts.

who draws it out shall follow after,

What hand can grasp that fearful blade?

 

Rand, in TSR interprets this to be the Heart of the Stone of Tear, to keep the Tairens in line until his return. I do agree this seems forced.

 

Rand could Sheath the Sword, "into the heart, to hold their hearts" which seems antithetical to the Broken Wolf: "And his destruction shall bring fear and sorrow to the hearts of men, and shall shake their very will itself”. I do see potential of the 2 lines being sequential events during the climax. Rand's turning to the Shadow or near it bringing fear and sorrow etc and suicide to hold the hearts of humanity until his resurrection. Who will pull Callandor out of Rand's body? Logain, perhaps.

 

Lan, The Great Hunt:

"There will come a time when you must achieve a goal at all costs...You will know when it comes, sheepherder, when the price is worth the gain, and there is no other choice left to you. That is called Sheathing the Sword. Remember it.”

 

Remember, this was book *2*! Victory at all cost must surely come into play at TG, 12 books later.

 

"when the price is worth the gain"

"Twice the Dragon, for the price he must pay"

Interesting, yes?

[TristanWebb]

Killing Taim would fit it. Stab Taim through the heart to hold the Black Tower, collapses because he always does and Logain pulls it out to give it back.

[Hyronimus]

not sure that callandor would be needed to kill taim, nor that it would hold men's hearts.

 

i like the link to sheathing the sword though i had figured that had its run at THG.

 

I hadn't made the link between "what hand" and the black hand. if Rand loses callandor for some time or is forced to leave it some where as some kind of temporary messure (don't know how much room for mistakes is left) then who know what it might take to get it back.

 

what could the heart be?

[TristanWebb]

Taim is near as strong as Rand was without the fat man angreal, so using callandor against whatever angreal Taim might use is valid, and stabbing him as per hitting him with the male a'dam like Nynaeve's did might work.

[John Snow]

 

Lan, The Great Hunt:

"There will come a time when you must achieve a goal at all costs...You will know when it comes, sheepherder, when the price is worth the gain, and there is no other choice left to you. That is called Sheathing the Sword. Remember it.”

 

Remember, this was book *2*! Victory at all cost must surely come into play at TG, 12 books later.

 

"when the price is worth the gain"

"Twice the Dragon, for the price he must pay"

Interesting, yes?

 

Actually, it was kind of fufilled when Rand got the wound in his side...I don't think they'd use that again.

[Valley of Death]

Taim is near as strong as Rand was without the fat man angreal, so using callandor against whatever angreal Taim might use is valid, and stabbing him as per hitting him with the male a'dam like Nynaeve's did might work.

 

Rand has gotten alot stronger as the books went on. In KoD, i assume he is alot stronger than he was at Dumani Wells or whenever the last time Rand rated himself against Taim. Taim cannot have done anything near what Rand did at Maradon. So I dont think he will need Callandor if he battles Taim

[A Rant Lord]

I thought people with saidin/saidar grew in power from where they first start channeling to when they get older? Taim was a lot older than Rand and channeling for a longer time, we have only seen that first measuring of power between them, I think just power-wise Rand has gotten a lot stronger and has learned a lot about weaving (especially since he is nog VOG weave-master-elite) He could prolly handle Taim (if Taim is Taim and not Morridin) easily. I don't think he will be fighting Taim though, that is left for Logain and Narishma etc.

[Duskfire]

Egwene did see someone who was most likely Narishma wielding Callandor, so Rand tyring to force the prophecy itself doesn't seem to be wrong. Following after though could simply be a reference to the cleansing of Saidin; Narishma did wield Callandor there and protected Rand.