Wombat's A Song of Ice and Fire Mafia (Advanced) Game Thread

[bgrishinko]

Oops. I read it as recruited, not recruiter. That makes more sense.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Vote: Razen

 

I can see the value in pursuing this course.

[trench]

Well if the group wants to pursue a Razen lynch I can get behind it. But I think we should be focusing on the Cult, we have some threads that could be pulled, Leelou and Patsfan are very good options and if we can break the cults back I say its better to do it sooner rather then later.

[J.W.]

Aww. Poor Aemon...

 

I had you pegged as a Lannister D3 though. Maybe one of these games we won't be on opposite sides. Would be fun not to have to want to kill you.

 

Always fun lynching the Ape. Did he give away Cult-leader Crusher on the way out of the door or was that a WIFOM?

 

Not sure. He did go after crusher pretty hard early on.

 

Might have stopped pushing it when he got recruited.

 

Except that it's pretty obvious he was lying about being recruited, since he was the recruiter... which unless my research fails me, is equivalent to the cult leader.

 

He may have been telling the truth about who he tried to recruit, though... and that puts Leelou and PatsFan squarely on the hot seat... since he tried so hard to push Vic down our throats as the cult leader in his last ditch effort to derail his lynch, I'm guessing that was probably a complete fabrication. Perhaps Despo did block him N2.

 

I'd be OK with voting Leelou or PatsFan to try to eliminate his recruits if that's the general take on the best use of the day... However, I'm also very interested in trying to root out some more Greyjoys, and finding the Lannister's NK.

 

To that end, I'm going to Vote: Razen, as he replaced Soy, who dropped a very blatant hint about being a Greyjoy D1 -- which ended up getting Tina lynched. He's also made it clear his faction has a QT... and then jumped right on Despo's suggestion that there might be faction recruiters within the house factions:

 

All the fuss that is being made that the Lannisters have a QT and that you are trying to find out which people have QTs and which don't and basing your conclusions on that fact. You automatically assume that "X can communicate, therefore, X is a threat to my team". Not so true. We are on Day 3, with one faction for sure that we know can recruit (the cult) and other factions that people suspect of having a recruitment role. If we assume that this is true, then each faction could have potentially submitted 2 recruitment requests, meaning that people's factions could have changed between teams over this time period. If we assume that recruitment roles are in every faction, then doesn't having a QT actually DISADVANTAGE you? I say that because you have no idea who has been recruited by what faction, and if someone that you are supposedly "teammates" with is recruited by a different faction, yet still can communicate with their old teammates, you have chaos. How do you figure out where each person's allegiance truly lies? Alliances in the land of Westeros are always changing, and the movement of the players in this game could reflect that. After today, it's only going to get worse. Today's friend may indeed become tomorrow's enemy, and vice versa.

 

We've seen no indication this is the case - Wombat explained how the Night's Watch recruiter role was meant to function, and obviously the cult could recruit - and in fact it seemed most people thought Despo was engaging in wild and senseless speculation with that idea.

 

Clearly, he's trying to discount the idea that those who have a faction QT are a threat to those of us who are a part of houses who cannot communicate. The only ones we've seen so far, however, are Lannisters and Greyjoys, who are enemies of everyone except the neutral and unaligned, which appear to be very, very few.

 

I have no idea what Ape was talking about. He lied. I never got a gun or vig kill what have you. He was full of shit, typical Ape trying to take down someone else as he goes. I was never recruited. I'm still the same Faction however decimated we are at this point.

[J.W.]

Vote Razen ...if he is what you're all saying he possibly is.

[JF80]

Vote Razen

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Aww. Poor Aemon...

 

I had you pegged as a Lannister D3 though. Maybe one of these games we won't be on opposite sides. Would be fun not to have to want to kill you.

 

Always fun lynching the Ape. Did he give away Cult-leader Crusher on the way out of the door or was that a WIFOM?

 

Not sure. He did go after crusher pretty hard early on.

 

Might have stopped pushing it when he got recruited.

 

Except that it's pretty obvious he was lying about being recruited, since he was the recruiter... which unless my research fails me, is equivalent to the cult leader.

 

He may have been telling the truth about who he tried to recruit, though... and that puts Leelou and PatsFan squarely on the hot seat... since he tried so hard to push Vic down our throats as the cult leader in his last ditch effort to derail his lynch, I'm guessing that was probably a complete fabrication. Perhaps Despo did block him N2.

 

I'd be OK with voting Leelou or PatsFan to try to eliminate his recruits if that's the general take on the best use of the day... However, I'm also very interested in trying to root out some more Greyjoys, and finding the Lannister's NK.

 

To that end, I'm going to Vote: Razen, as he replaced Soy, who dropped a very blatant hint about being a Greyjoy D1 -- which ended up getting Tina lynched. He's also made it clear his faction has a QT... and then jumped right on Despo's suggestion that there might be faction recruiters within the house factions:

 

All the fuss that is being made that the Lannisters have a QT and that you are trying to find out which people have QTs and which don't and basing your conclusions on that fact. You automatically assume that "X can communicate, therefore, X is a threat to my team". Not so true. We are on Day 3, with one faction for sure that we know can recruit (the cult) and other factions that people suspect of having a recruitment role. If we assume that this is true, then each faction could have potentially submitted 2 recruitment requests, meaning that people's factions could have changed between teams over this time period. If we assume that recruitment roles are in every faction, then doesn't having a QT actually DISADVANTAGE you? I say that because you have no idea who has been recruited by what faction, and if someone that you are supposedly "teammates" with is recruited by a different faction, yet still can communicate with their old teammates, you have chaos. How do you figure out where each person's allegiance truly lies? Alliances in the land of Westeros are always changing, and the movement of the players in this game could reflect that. After today, it's only going to get worse. Today's friend may indeed become tomorrow's enemy, and vice versa.

 

We've seen no indication this is the case - Wombat explained how the Night's Watch recruiter role was meant to function, and obviously the cult could recruit - and in fact it seemed most people thought Despo was engaging in wild and senseless speculation with that idea.

 

Clearly, he's trying to discount the idea that those who have a faction QT are a threat to those of us who are a part of houses who cannot communicate. The only ones we've seen so far, however, are Lannisters and Greyjoys, who are enemies of everyone except the neutral and unaligned, which appear to be very, very few.

 

I have no idea what Ape was talking about. He lied. I never got a gun or vig kill what have you. He was full of shit, typical Ape trying to take down someone else as he goes. I was never recruited. I'm still the same Faction however decimated we are at this point.

 

So, your saying you didn't shoot Fex? Interesting?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Well if the group wants to pursue a Razen lynch I can get behind it. But I think we should be focusing on the Cult, we have some threads that could be pulled, Leelou and Patsfan are very good options and if we can break the cults back I say its better to do it sooner rather then later.

 

Agree with this post. Unvote

 

Maybe we should pause and hash out the Cult possibilities.

[Leelou]

I am not cult.

[Christine]

Wow, talk about getting a train run over you...

[Razen]

On N1 I gave Leelou a gun. Then because I was getting heat from Amega on D2, I got scared she might side with him and shoot me. So I signaled to her that I gave her a gun by saying "I give you banana". When I made it clear to her that I gave her the gun, it was this reaction by Crusher about me having a "sack full of banana's" that pretty much gave away to me that she was able to tell him she got the gun ("banana") from me.

 

On N2, I tried to give a gun to Vic. I got an "action failed" result. Which led me to believe that either Vic couldn't receive the gun, or Crusher/Leelou or someone associated with Leelou who knows I am passing out guns roleblocked me. Notice I came out strong against both Vic and Crusher on D3.

 

I have to imagine Leelou didn't use the gun because she could deny it if I revealed.

 

So, I would make my short list Crusher, Vic and Leelou. I would add Despo to that list as well. Crusher is playing one of the scummiest games I've ever seen from him... for whatever that is worth.

 

John McClane, Petyr Baelish, called Littlefinger, Gunsmith/Recruiter, Bulletproof Vest, Cult has been lynched.

 

I'm pretty sure that Ape started out from day 1 as Cult recruiter. And that means that Leelou is likely to be cult. Therefore, Vote: Leelou.

 

I have no idea what Ape was talking about. He lied. I never got a gun or vig kill what have you. He was full of shit, typical Ape trying to take down someone else as he goes. I was never recruited. I'm still the same Faction however decimated we are at this point.

 

So you are saying that you weren't the one to shoot? Interesting. But if it wasn't you, then who was it? Because whoever did it picked the single worst target for them take out of the game. And since you were the one he claimed got the gun, it is hard to dispute. However, since there is doubt about you, you are target #2 for the time being.

 

I am not cult.

 

Right now, the fact that you as good as admitted that you were targeted by Ape on N1 and that he flipped the recruiter is a pretty big piece of evidence against you. Unless you have some way of proving that you are not cult, I'm quite comfortable leaving my vote on you.

 

I'm going to agree that it is likely at this point that Razen is either a Greyjoy or a Lannister, which of course means everyone wants to jump on their wagon.

 

vote Razen

 

If you feel like voting for me is the best way to go, far be it from me to argue about it. Kill me if you want to. You all seem to think you know what my faction is. If I was in your spots, I would too, considering how my faction is aligned against everyone else's. But I think it's a better course of action to go after the cultists. It serves your interests better at the moment. We don't know for certain if Ape started as the cult recruiter, but there's a chance to prove it if we go after the targets. If they flip cult, we can assume he was and get rid of the cultists. Then you can come back and lynch me. But I'm telling you right now that I don't have any fancy power role and that my lynch tells you nothing that you didn't already know except for who my character is.

[Leelou]

I have no way to prove it. I can give you my character reveal and role if need be.

[J.W.]

Aww. Poor Aemon...

 

I had you pegged as a Lannister D3 though. Maybe one of these games we won't be on opposite sides. Would be fun not to have to want to kill you.

 

Always fun lynching the Ape. Did he give away Cult-leader Crusher on the way out of the door or was that a WIFOM?

 

Not sure. He did go after crusher pretty hard early on.

 

Might have stopped pushing it when he got recruited.

 

Except that it's pretty obvious he was lying about being recruited, since he was the recruiter... which unless my research fails me, is equivalent to the cult leader.

 

He may have been telling the truth about who he tried to recruit, though... and that puts Leelou and PatsFan squarely on the hot seat... since he tried so hard to push Vic down our throats as the cult leader in his last ditch effort to derail his lynch, I'm guessing that was probably a complete fabrication. Perhaps Despo did block him N2.

 

I'd be OK with voting Leelou or PatsFan to try to eliminate his recruits if that's the general take on the best use of the day... However, I'm also very interested in trying to root out some more Greyjoys, and finding the Lannister's NK.

 

To that end, I'm going to Vote: Razen, as he replaced Soy, who dropped a very blatant hint about being a Greyjoy D1 -- which ended up getting Tina lynched. He's also made it clear his faction has a QT... and then jumped right on Despo's suggestion that there might be faction recruiters within the house factions:

 

All the fuss that is being made that the Lannisters have a QT and that you are trying to find out which people have QTs and which don't and basing your conclusions on that fact. You automatically assume that "X can communicate, therefore, X is a threat to my team". Not so true. We are on Day 3, with one faction for sure that we know can recruit (the cult) and other factions that people suspect of having a recruitment role. If we assume that this is true, then each faction could have potentially submitted 2 recruitment requests, meaning that people's factions could have changed between teams over this time period. If we assume that recruitment roles are in every faction, then doesn't having a QT actually DISADVANTAGE you? I say that because you have no idea who has been recruited by what faction, and if someone that you are supposedly "teammates" with is recruited by a different faction, yet still can communicate with their old teammates, you have chaos. How do you figure out where each person's allegiance truly lies? Alliances in the land of Westeros are always changing, and the movement of the players in this game could reflect that. After today, it's only going to get worse. Today's friend may indeed become tomorrow's enemy, and vice versa.

 

We've seen no indication this is the case - Wombat explained how the Night's Watch recruiter role was meant to function, and obviously the cult could recruit - and in fact it seemed most people thought Despo was engaging in wild and senseless speculation with that idea.

 

Clearly, he's trying to discount the idea that those who have a faction QT are a threat to those of us who are a part of houses who cannot communicate. The only ones we've seen so far, however, are Lannisters and Greyjoys, who are enemies of everyone except the neutral and unaligned, which appear to be very, very few.

 

I have no idea what Ape was talking about. He lied. I never got a gun or vig kill what have you. He was full of shit, typical Ape trying to take down someone else as he goes. I was never recruited. I'm still the same Faction however decimated we are at this point.

 

So, your saying you didn't shoot Fex? Interesting?

 

I would have taken a shot at Christine if I had the chance, still don't believe she can't die. Truth.

[Christine]

 

 

 

 

I bet that someone tried to kill me last night, hence only 1 death.

[J.W.]

 

So you are saying that you weren't the one to shoot? Interesting. But if it wasn't you, then who was it? Because whoever did it picked the single worst target for them take out of the game. And since you were the one he claimed got the gun, it is hard to dispute. However, since there is doubt about you, you are target #2 for the time being.

 

 

You honestly think he would have name dropped his teammates on the way out? Hmm who wanted Ape dead last couple of days? Hmm, it was the furrballs way of getting back at me. Whatevs. My faction is getting killed this game. Pretty sure I'm a survivor at this point anyway.

[J.W.]

 

 

 

 

I bet that someone tried to kill me last night, hence only 1 death.

 

There's nothing to come at you with..

[bgrishinko]

The question in my mind is are Ape's Gun giving and Recruiting linked? If so, then Leelou it is. I'm willing to investigate that possibility.

 

Vote Leelou

[Razen]

 

So you are saying that you weren't the one to shoot? Interesting. But if it wasn't you, then who was it? Because whoever did it picked the single worst target for them take out of the game. And since you were the one he claimed got the gun, it is hard to dispute. However, since there is doubt about you, you are target #2 for the time being.

 

 

You honestly think he would have name dropped his teammates on the way out? Hmm who wanted Ape dead last couple of days? Hmm, it was the furrballs way of getting back at me. Whatevs. My faction is getting killed this game. Pretty sure I'm a survivor at this point anyway.

 

Honestly, he could have, classic WIFOM style. He blames you, you deny it, we run around like chickens with our heads cut off to try and figure out whether he is telling the truth or not. Hence why you and Leelou especially are running with the chance to try and lynch me. What we do know is that The Spider was killed, and the person that he targeted N3 was the one to do it. We have the word of the cult recruiter versus you. And at this point, if nothing else, I'm willing to go on established fact. Unless, of course, you can prove that you aren't a cultist, Mace.

[Leelou]

Yes Ape sent me a gun. No I did not use it and no I did not get recruited. I am still in my original faction. I have not been recruited by anyone. I am still standing by my vote.

[J.W.]

 

So you are saying that you weren't the one to shoot? Interesting. But if it wasn't you, then who was it? Because whoever did it picked the single worst target for them take out of the game. And since you were the one he claimed got the gun, it is hard to dispute. However, since there is doubt about you, you are target #2 for the time being.

 

 

You honestly think he would have name dropped his teammates on the way out? Hmm who wanted Ape dead last couple of days? Hmm, it was the furrballs way of getting back at me. Whatevs. My faction is getting killed this game. Pretty sure I'm a survivor at this point anyway.

 

Honestly, he could have, classic WIFOM style. He blames you, you deny it, we run around like chickens with our heads cut off to try and figure out whether he is telling the truth or not. Hence why you and Leelou especially are running with the chance to try and lynch me. What we do know is that The Spider was killed, and the person that he targeted N3 was the one to do it. We have the word of the cult recruiter versus you. And at this point, if nothing else, I'm willing to go on established fact. Unless, of course, you can prove that you aren't a cultist, Mace.

 

LOL, yeah you have the cult recruiter's word to kill me next because he gave me a gun to kill the Perfectionist who tried to kill me N3 but failed? Thus I must we must be on the same team. This might be the worst spin job I ever heard. Why would Ape pin a X on my back if I was on his team. You can't be serious.

[The Crusher]

 

So you are saying that you weren't the one to shoot? Interesting. But if it wasn't you, then who was it? Because whoever did it picked the single worst target for them take out of the game. And since you were the one he claimed got the gun, it is hard to dispute. However, since there is doubt about you, you are target #2 for the time being.

 

 

You honestly think he would have name dropped his teammates on the way out? Hmm who wanted Ape dead last couple of days? Hmm, it was the furrballs way of getting back at me. Whatevs. My faction is getting killed this game. Pretty sure I'm a survivor at this point anyway.

 

You always have me. Dragon loves you.

 

 

I wish the ape was dead. I think it would help the game.

[J.W.]

 

So you are saying that you weren't the one to shoot? Interesting. But if it wasn't you, then who was it? Because whoever did it picked the single worst target for them take out of the game. And since you were the one he claimed got the gun, it is hard to dispute. However, since there is doubt about you, you are target #2 for the time being.

 

 

You honestly think he would have name dropped his teammates on the way out? Hmm who wanted Ape dead last couple of days? Hmm, it was the furrballs way of getting back at me. Whatevs. My faction is getting killed this game. Pretty sure I'm a survivor at this point anyway.

 

You always have me. Dragon loves you.

 

 

I wish the ape was dead. I think it would help the game.

 

I think we lynched him yesterday.

[Razen]

 

So you are saying that you weren't the one to shoot? Interesting. But if it wasn't you, then who was it? Because whoever did it picked the single worst target for them take out of the game. And since you were the one he claimed got the gun, it is hard to dispute. However, since there is doubt about you, you are target #2 for the time being.

 

 

You honestly think he would have name dropped his teammates on the way out? Hmm who wanted Ape dead last couple of days? Hmm, it was the furrballs way of getting back at me. Whatevs. My faction is getting killed this game. Pretty sure I'm a survivor at this point anyway.

 

Honestly, he could have, classic WIFOM style. He blames you, you deny it, we run around like chickens with our heads cut off to try and figure out whether he is telling the truth or not. Hence why you and Leelou especially are running with the chance to try and lynch me. What we do know is that The Spider was killed, and the person that he targeted N3 was the one to do it. We have the word of the cult recruiter versus you. And at this point, if nothing else, I'm willing to go on established fact. Unless, of course, you can prove that you aren't a cultist, Mace.

 

LOL, yeah you have the cult recruiter's word to kill me next because he gave me a gun to kill the Perfectionist who tried to kill me N3 but failed? Thus I must we must be on the same team. This might be the worst spin job I ever heard. Why would Ape pin a X on my back if I was on his team. You can't be serious.

 

Who said that Perfexionist was trying to kill you N3 but failed? Unless I read this wrong...

Perfexionist, Varys, a eunuch and master of spies, called the Spider, Cult Finder, has been daykilled.

 

he didn't have a killing role. And that leads me to ask, why do say that he tried to kill you on N3?

[J.W.]

 

So you are saying that you weren't the one to shoot? Interesting. But if it wasn't you, then who was it? Because whoever did it picked the single worst target for them take out of the game. And since you were the one he claimed got the gun, it is hard to dispute. However, since there is doubt about you, you are target #2 for the time being.

 

 

You honestly think he would have name dropped his teammates on the way out? Hmm who wanted Ape dead last couple of days? Hmm, it was the furrballs way of getting back at me. Whatevs. My faction is getting killed this game. Pretty sure I'm a survivor at this point anyway.

 

Honestly, he could have, classic WIFOM style. He blames you, you deny it, we run around like chickens with our heads cut off to try and figure out whether he is telling the truth or not. Hence why you and Leelou especially are running with the chance to try and lynch me. What we do know is that The Spider was killed, and the person that he targeted N3 was the one to do it. We have the word of the cult recruiter versus you. And at this point, if nothing else, I'm willing to go on established fact. Unless, of course, you can prove that you aren't a cultist, Mace.

 

LOL, yeah you have the cult recruiter's word to kill me next because he gave me a gun to kill the Perfectionist who tried to kill me N3 but failed? Thus I must we must be on the same team. This might be the worst spin job I ever heard. Why would Ape pin a X on my back if I was on his team. You can't be serious.

 

Who said that Perfexionist was trying to kill you N3 but failed? Unless I read this wrong...

Perfexionist, Varys, a eunuch and master of spies, called the Spider, Cult Finder, has been daykilled.

 

he didn't have a killing role. And that leads me to ask, why do say that he tried to kill you on N3?

Whatever, he killed or targeted or whatever you're trying say. I'm barely paying attention tbh. I thought the Spider would be killing people. I have no idea other than I wasn't recruited and never got a gun. I'm part of a Faction, still am. You'd be a fool to think Ape wasn't trying to take down an enemy with him when he died. Now go OMGUS someone else.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Can vote Leelou or Pats. Leelou admitted she was offered the gun. Hard to believe she could turn down a recruitment.

Pats denies shooting Fex and now claims he's barely paying attention. Would have thought he would have denied killing Fex when he voted Ape yesterday.

We need to eliminate one of the wifoms.

 

Vote Leelou