Werewolf game 4: Underworld edition

[Direwolf Jon]

I will vote for Alys because she seems very active and seems to have a lot to say.

[GoodGrief]

Alys, that's the whole advantage of apprentice revealing before seer.

There are several reasons for the seer to reveal, right? If they're about to be lynched, or if they have seen a nasty and judge the risk worth the gain. But if there is a more expendable pseudo-seer around and situation B arises ... why not let the apprentice reveal instead? Of course, the fact that they can't communicate outside the game means the decision is really left up to the apprentice to make on their own. Come to think of it, aren't those two supposed to be psychic/magical? They oughta be able to chat together.

 

Ooh, I just had a twisted thought! What if the seer was coupled to a nasty? :shock: Wouldn't that make things interesting? This Couple thing may be the most inventively twisted innovation our Moddess has introduced since the Game's inception.

 

And Alys, I'm not voting for dude because I was told to. I'm voting for dude because it's what I would have done anyway. And if Tessa had revealed without naming any nasties by which we could prove her claim, I would have been in favour of lynching her to be sure. We have a back-up seer, afterall, and tis better to be sure.

 

The bottom line is that a situation has arisen that begs dealing with. That situation is a (tenuous and unofficial) seer reveal. What we must do is challenge Tessa to confirm her reveal plainly, then let Dude's lynching be her trial. Since she has named a nasty and opened herself to being proven false if he is innocent, it is unlikely that she is false. But this not coming out with it thing smacks of trying to cover her bases.

 

And DJ ... Alys is always active and has a lot to say

[Raena]

No, I haven't kept the inactivity rule. Basically I just didn't feel like looking up who's posted and not. Yes, I am lazy.

 

Vote count

 

the dude 4 (Tessa Sedai, Angyl, Sirayn, GoodGrief)

Alys Kinch 1 (Direwolf Jon)

 

Not voting: Lukys Kinch, Alys Kinch, Dark Justice, goldeneys, Kaznen, Winter Mist, Zylazlo-, the dude

 

7 votes to lynch.

 

Edit: I forgot to say that roled players can send in their (provisional) night actions at any time. They can be changed later. When night falls, the werewolves will eat.

[Talya]

Alys I do apologising for not replying before (it was bed time for me over here)...

 

Why do i think dude is a werewolf.

It started when I was looking at the voting at the last round....alright he voted for me but so did Kaznen....the quickness of it seemed to me that maybe him and kaznen had been chatting and came up with me 1. bacuase kaznen seemed to think I was a vampire if not I would be an innocent....so if they were got my lynched they would win either way if they were werewolves. I had to chose who to exanine in my crystal ball and I choose dude to look at and lo and behold saw him turing into a werewolf.

 

In the morning when Nevare was found dead and shown to be a werewolf....it made sense that...he didn't vote.....all three voting against one person is too obvious. I think Zylazlo was the other who voted against me. So who the other werewolf could be maybe one of those two.

 

It wasn't Sirayn who made me decide to come out (so to speak) I had decided that when I had found what I had....unfortunately couldn't get on here before I did last night....I also wanted to see a few reactions when I made a few suggestions without actually voting for him straight away. But then had to go to bed so thought I'd better do it then rather than wait 10 hours.

 

As for who hasn't posted....I checked before the first lynch and I think everyone had posted at least once.

 

I know by revealing myself i put myself in danger from the vampires...and it would be up to the guardian if they wished to save me in the night but it's a chance I will have to take. I know they is my apprentice who can carry on my work.

[the dude]

oh dearie, the things that go on when i'm not around. sigh. well, i think i'm pretty much doomed here. we've moved into an era of numbers games, and "greater good" mentalities...

 

ok, i get why the real seer is letting me twist in the wind over this. "greater good," that's why. just like sirayn has outlined, my death will pretty much benefit the villagers, whether i'm guilty or not.

 

but let's consider, for a moment, how the baddies could benefit. so far, we've got a werewolf dead. that's to the good for us. now we've got an alleged seer with it out for me. sure, it could be true, except it's not. all this caginess... skirting the facts, veiled references.... i'm going to out and say, plain and simple:

 

i am not a werewolf.

 

look into my shades. see the truth. c'mon.

 

consider, if tessa is, say, a vampire. i'm pretty much convinced she is at this point, and is just trying to follow up on their luck of last night. tessa's probably the vampire faction's "sacrifice," stepping out on a limb to potentially get another wolf killed, or at worst, a villager. yeah, that'll look bad for her, but this is the thing:

 

1) if i were a werewolf (ie, she gets lucky on her guess), then she's vindicated as seer, and will probably make it to the end of the game, if the real seer doesn't step in. and, a rival evil character is gone, leaving only 1 werewolf. why hasn't the seer revealed? i can't say for sure. but maybe he/she wants to see how this plays out. the seer is the one person who can comfirm for me that tessa is EVIL. but they might not know that i'm innocent. so, they wait. this follows sirayn's reasoning.

 

2) if i'm innocent, that's fine for the vampires too. one less villager. tonight will be the werewolves kill, and they'll prob'ly leave tessa alone, cuz she's doing their work for them, and because she's probably going to die tomorrow anyway. that'll put the vamps down one, but the wolves are already down one, in a short while the villagers will also be down one (me), and tonight, that's probably another villager gone, if the wolves don't take down tessa. if they do, then it's 1 baddy down on each team, and the villagers are back to being in the dark except for what the seer sees.

 

i'm tellin' ya. just wish the seer would kinda, y'know, step forward and like, keep me from dying.... sigh. this isn't gonna convince anyone anyway. kaz, gimme that rope....

[Alys Kinch]

thanks griefy for pointing that out for me. that was very awesome of you. i wasn't accussing you of following the lead. i was asking why we all should. again, the reasoning is pretty sound. i just want that flaw cleared up with tessa.

 

and tessa, that isn't what i was asking. i wanted to know why on earth you, as the seer, wouldn't have managed to remember your vote in the same post as your accussation. that is a vital part of the position you are claiming!!

[Talya]

Alys I'm not sure what point you want me to clear up ...

I've explained it all in the post above or are you just not seeing it for your own reasons :)

[Alys Kinch]

no, you never said why you didn't vote in that first post as you came out. that is all i am asking. you had the time to post. it would only have taken five more seconds to bold dude's name.

[Talya]

I also wanted to see a few reactions when I made a few suggestions without actually voting for him straight away.

 

I made suggestions and did not out right accuse him. As i've explained above.....it seems I was right to do it because your reaction over this seems very odd.

 

Kaznen made quiet a few suggestions about me being a vampire before voting for me I did complain.

 

Beside I have to decide who I shoose to scry on tonight and reactins and a little knowledge will be useful.

[Talya]

Put the quote in in the wrong place (well never used the thing before) should have done preview first :oops:

[Alys Kinch]

oooooh, sorry, i am in class, so... i just didn't get why a seer wouldn't vote. you are already sure and you could still guage the reactions after voting.

 

yeah, and i noticed your quote was a bit off. anyway, i guess it has been long enough for someone to come out. and dude's argument was a bit weak. so i will go ahead and vote for the dude. we have always been wrong about him, but oh, well. and threatening me, doesn't scare me.

[the dude]

who's threatening who?

[Zylazlo-]

Well I'm not a werewolf or vampire, but I will vote with you Tessa as soon as everyone has posted at least once AFTER your revealing. Just to make sure.

[the dude]

i really don't like where this is going. i'm getting lynched cuz i'm not a wordsmith, like some of these clever buggers...

[Sirayn]

GoodGrief, you make some good points. Having given it some thought, I don't believe that Alys and the dude are a couple, because an innocent would want to lynch dude. The question is not if we lynch dude, but when we lynch him. Even the dude himself thinks it's got to be done. I just don't see how Alys can still be innocent.

 

On why an alleged seer rather than an alleged seer's apprentice revealed: according to the roles list, while the seer lives the seer's apprentice only hears the investigation results every second night, so the seer's apprentice could not reveal today with an investigation result they did not know about. It was seer or nothing today. If the seer team had hit a guilty tomorrow night I suppose the apprentice could have revealed instead, but I don't see that as a viable option either because the apprentice would only get one investigation every two nights. It's better that the seer came out, I think, and that the apprentice lies low.

 

I previously considered the possibility that the dude is evil and that Tessa is evil. I think the roles list confirms that Tessa cannot be both a real finder and an evil player, but she could theoretically be an evil player who hit very, very lucky. I'd want to know how the vampires pinned two werewolves in one night, but it's not outside the bounds of possibility. But there's a simple fix. Actually lots of simple fixes!

 

1. If we still suspect her tomorrow get her partner to come out. Lynch one. If he or she comes up innocent, the other must therefore also be innocent.

2. Keep lynching everyone Tessa finds guilty. If the coroner finder ever calls someone innocent whom she called guilty, lynch her too.

3. The real seer could just reveal.

 

NB: How to deal with two competing seers? Get both to reveal their partners - or possibly not, still thinking through that one. Lynch one. If he or she comes up innocent, their partner must be innocent and the other partners are therefore either evil or so insane we'd be better off lynching them. If there are lots of competing seers? Lynch one half of each pair. The coroner finder: a very special kind of magic. :D

 

It's been around 20 hours by the role claim by my count, I'm having difficulty with the board clock. Long enough for any other claimants to come forward? I reckon so.

 

edit: dude, you're being lynched because a claimed finder has claimed to find you guilty. You're being lynched to provide us with either a guilty death, yours, or a definite guilty for lynching at the first opportunity tomorrow, Tessa. However much of a wordsmith you are, it doesn't change the fact that we have two people - you and Tessa - at least one of whom is guilty.

[Zylazlo-]

Yea, I guess everyone would have some time to check the reveal and all that. So I guess cold logic wins this time. I vote dude nothing personal man, but y'know logic is the supreme ruler.

[the dude]

i think we should lynch tessa first.

 

i vote for tessa.

[Sirayn]

We've got two players, A and B, both of whom are possibly evil. A claims to have an immensely beneficial role, the value of which is proven by that if she's telling the truth, she hooked a werewolf on night one. B claims nothing of the sort. I'm thinking lynching B is the better option here. ;)

[the dude]

would a bribe of some sort be out of the question? 8)

[Lukys Kinch]

I'll go ahead and vote dude as well though I have an idea that might throw some of these other ideas out.

 

What if Tessa is a vampire? I know this seems out there and crazy, but what if she really is? She might be making a gamble and hoping it pays off. If she is successful, then one of her fellow vampires can back her up tomorrow as her assistant Seer. This would change things dramatically, however we can't be absolutely sure of anything in any case.

 

Heck, Tessa could be a werewolf turning on her own partner just to make her look trustworthy. Not what I would do if I were a werewolf, but I've heard people talking about baddies betraying each other before. *shrugs*

 

One other idea I had is that, though this is just me speculating, is that the people who keep telling us to believe in Tessa (who could indeed be the Seer, I never said she wasn't, just speculating) are all vampires and are trying to get in good with us villagers. *shrugs again*

 

I'm just throwing out things that have been running through my head since I started reading, but I'm still voting for dude, because as people have said, if he's not a wolf, Tessa is a baddy for sure and if he is, that's another one down.

[the dude]

*gets a hunted look*

 

alright alright. tessa, you outed me. i'm going down anyway, so why bother with this subterfuge anymore?

 

yes, that's right, i'm a werewolf. and i love it. i would have eaten you all with ketchup and washed it down with a glass of root beer. and then i would have chuckled over it for days after. YOU'RE ALL WALKING HAMBURGERS TO ME!!!

[Sirayn]

I don't think Tessa can be a vampire if the dude turns out to be a werewolf. I just don't see it. Honestly, the vampires pinning two werewolves in one night? When neither had done anything suspicious? That just doesn't wash for me. I'm prepared to take the hard way and get the seer's apprentice to come out tomorrow, then lynch one or t'other to prove their joint innocence, if the healer is still alive.

 

But if there's no healer and we're condemning both the real seer and the real seer's apprentice to death on the off-chance that the vampires somehow, miraculously caught two werewolves in one night ... particularly when we have at least one other suspect to examine, one who argued to save the werewolf rather than calling him guilty ... I don't know. I'm not liking the look of that scenario. :? Something to consider overnight.

 

Well, that's the seven votes. My fingers are crossed.

 

edit: *toasts you* Nice play, dude. Hope we catch your evil werewolf friends too. ;)

[the dude]

well, when you're beat, you're beat. i would have particularly enjoyed eating you sirayn; you are much too clever. i think a nice roast with carrots and peas.... :twisted:

 

clearly my "innocent" act wasn't getting anywhere anyway....

 

*glares at everyone* and I'M the one who ate the grade 3 mascot, harvey the hamster!

[Guest Egwene]

*ghosts through town... :shock: ... a proclamation of guilt by someone not yet dead???? :shock: Has this ever happened before????*

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[Talya]

That must have been hor's d'oevres (sp?) for you.

 

I'm glad you admitted who you really are. You can now hold your head high whilst we noose you etc...

 

Don't worry will make sure your wife and kid are well looked after