[Advanced/Experimental] Game of Thrones Mafia

[Smash]

  On 8/22/2011 at 7:39 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 7:00 PM, Smash said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 5:05 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 4:54 PM, Smash said:

I can go Mynd or Slats just like Yesterday no problem at all. BTW Last night I tracked Crusher but got no results from Kiv and no PM so Im guessing because he was killed I get nothing .

 

 

N1 = ?

N2 = Mynd, no movement

N3 = Crusher, no result from Mod

 

Why did you target Crusher exactly? I think the consensus from most people was that he was Lannister, every person I've seen play this game as cop and watcher/tracker, tends to use their ability on the bigger question marks.

 

Not who I would have targeted at all.

 

I'm still puzzled by you being alive...

 

Im puzzled by most of what you say most of the time. You play your game, I'll play mine. I could care less who you would have targeted :) .

 

 

Is this still the story you are going with? Can you fill in N1 for us, I'm being lazy and don't want to see if you already said it somewhere.

 

You dont remember N1 and you were involved in it. Nice

 

I tracked CTM on night 1.

[Hybrid]

I'd forgotten Smash's track on Mynd. Since he's almost certainly not the cult leader, I'm tempted to look at other options -- but I need to reread first to focus on some of the players I don't have a read on yet.

[Hybrid]

Smash:

 

Just curious, what was the result that you got from tracking CTM? Did it identify the action as a thief play or did it just say a general action?

[John McClane]

  On 8/22/2011 at 8:07 PM, Smash said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 7:39 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 7:00 PM, Smash said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 5:05 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 4:54 PM, Smash said:

I can go Mynd or Slats just like Yesterday no problem at all. BTW Last night I tracked Crusher but got no results from Kiv and no PM so Im guessing because he was killed I get nothing .

 

 

N1 = ?

N2 = Mynd, no movement

N3 = Crusher, no result from Mod

 

Why did you target Crusher exactly? I think the consensus from most people was that he was Lannister, every person I've seen play this game as cop and watcher/tracker, tends to use their ability on the bigger question marks.

 

Not who I would have targeted at all.

 

I'm still puzzled by you being alive...

 

Im puzzled by most of what you say most of the time. You play your game, I'll play mine. I could care less who you would have targeted :) .

 

 

Is this still the story you are going with? Can you fill in N1 for us, I'm being lazy and don't want to see if you already said it somewhere.

 

You dont remember N1 and you were involved in it. Nice

 

I tracked CTM on night 1.

 

... and still nothing on N3?

[Hybrid]

  On 8/18/2011 at 1:13 AM, Smash said:

I can track players each night Its how I knew retard CTM stole from you then told you before I had the chance to use that as proof of my role. Nice move chan idiot.

 

I'm going off this post, btw.

[DPR]

I think that it's telling that as soon as Slats starts building up votes - he's nowhere to be found.

Vote Slats

 

Let's see is he finds his way over to defend.

[DPR]

Meh, just looked and he only has one vote. I thought he had more - but now he does. heh

[the dude]

  On 8/22/2011 at 1:20 AM, John McClane said:

Compelling.

 

You sound like you were given this advice, "Flatter the monkey and he'll leave you alone." by one of your JN team mates.

 

There isn't a bad player amongst the lot of JN folks that came over for this game, hence the reason they were invited into the game.

 

Glad you were entertained, that was definitely why I was posting.

 

No advice, I just make a policy of being nice. It's a Canadian thing.

 

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:50 PM, WWWwombat said:

Neither of you are the Cult Leader. Stop this now.

Wombat, is this an opinion or is there something to back it up?

 

With nothing more compelling right now, I'll join up on the vote for Mynd.

[WWWwombat]

I'll add another.

 

unvote

 

Vote: slats

[WWWwombat]

  On 8/22/2011 at 8:35 PM, the dude said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 1:20 AM, John McClane said:

Compelling.

 

You sound like you were given this advice, "Flatter the monkey and he'll leave you alone." by one of your JN team mates.

 

There isn't a bad player amongst the lot of JN folks that came over for this game, hence the reason they were invited into the game.

 

Glad you were entertained, that was definitely why I was posting.

 

No advice, I just make a policy of being nice. It's a Canadian thing.

 

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:50 PM, WWWwombat said:

Neither of you are the Cult Leader. Stop this now.

Wombat, is this an opinion or is there something to back it up?

 

With nothing more compelling right now, I'll join up on the vote for Mynd.

 

It's an opinion. Both have dropped survivor tells IIRC.

[the dude]

fair enough; there was an awful lot of conviction there so i thought it worth asking

[John McClane]

Original Lannisters (4) - should be 2 remaining:

8) Crusher (Tywin Lannister), the Lannister Paymaster

14) Red - Jaime Lannister, Lannister Swordmaster

17) BooBoo/JiF - Cersei Lannister

21) Lanth/12th Regiment - Tyrion Lannister, Lannister Backup Paymaster

 

Converted Lannisters (1):

2) Jack - Lysa Arryn, Survivor turned Lannister bannerman

 

So far, we haven't seen any roles on the Lannister team that parallel Smash "watcher" role... and so far, Smash's targets have been very, very convenient.

 

Given the setup, and the fact that survivors can purchase investigative roles - and the amount of survivors, I see no place for an investigative role on either of the family teams. If there is one, and they are out in the open I'd suspect them to be killed or converted very quickly.

 

What has Smash done for us?

 

N1 he watches CTM, but only tell us about it after CTM makes it known in game that he stole from me. Making Smash's N1 result a layup.

 

N2 watched Mynd, and seemed to formulate a case that Mynd is the CL even though Mynd hadn't actually done anything after being watched. Stating that Mynd could have converted in the day, when it was widely known in the game that conversions happen at night. He was selling this case hard, given the holes in it, unsure of why right now...

 

N3 he watches Crusher, Crusher gets killed and he gets no results. Another layup? Seriously 2 out of these 3 "watches" have been busts. Coincidence?

I asked Doggin if investigative roles would be given a result no matter if the player they targeted was killed the same night and he said YES. I've asked Smash about his N3 results repeatedly since then, and Smash has not elaborated. He's apparently sticking to his story that he got no results on Crusher.

 

I asked Doggin if players would lose their investigative powers if they were converted, and he said PAFO.

 

I'm of the opinion that Smash has been converted. If he's really a watcher, Cult would not risk keeping him around to create the wifom so he gets lynched, rather they'd just convert him.

[Smash]

  On 8/22/2011 at 8:17 PM, Hybrid said:

Smash:

 

Just curious, what was the result that you got from tracking CTM? Did it identify the action as a thief play or did it just say a general action?

 

Hybrid all I got from Kiv was that CTM Visited APE no results from the visit. I knew then that CTM was telling the truth that he attemped to steal from the Ape .

[John McClane]

  On 8/22/2011 at 7:23 PM, JF80 said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 6:54 PM, John McClane said:

 

Are you the last Lannister?

 

 

Nope.

 

Are you one of the last 2 Lannisters?

[WWWwombat]

I'm actually reexamining my assumptions right now and no longer have them ruled out as cult leaders. If I'm willing to think Sharrow might have gotten the survivor PM as a non-survivor then I should be willing to consider the same possibility for the Ape or CTM. Their rivalry seemed to flare up right out of the gates today. Perhaps they are distracting from something?

[WWWwombat]

  On 8/22/2011 at 8:42 PM, John McClane said:

Original Lannisters (4) - should be 2 remaining:

8) Crusher (Tywin Lannister), the Lannister Paymaster

14) Red - Jaime Lannister, Lannister Swordmaster

17) BooBoo/JiF - Cersei Lannister

21) Lanth/12th Regiment - Tyrion Lannister, Lannister Backup Paymaster

 

Converted Lannisters (1):

2) Jack - Lysa Arryn, Survivor turned Lannister bannerman

 

So far, we haven't seen any roles on the Lannister team that parallel Smash "watcher" role... and so far, Smash's targets have been very, very convenient.

 

Given the setup, and the fact that survivors can purchase investigative roles - and the amount of survivors, I see no place for an investigative role on either of the family teams. If there is one, and they are out in the open I'd suspect them to be killed or converted very quickly.

 

What has Smash done for us?

 

N1 he watches CTM, but only tell us about it after CTM makes it known in game that he stole from me. Making Smash's N1 result a layup.

 

N2 watched Mynd, and seemed to formulate a case that Mynd is the CL even though Mynd hadn't actually done anything after being watched. Stating that Mynd could have converted in the day, when it was widely known in the game that conversions happen at night. He was selling this case hard, given the holes in it, unsure of why right now...

 

N3 he watches Crusher, Crusher gets killed and he gets no results. Another layup? Seriously 2 out of these 3 "watches" have been busts. Coincidence?

I asked Doggin if investigative roles would be given a result no matter if the player they targeted was killed the same night and he said YES. I've asked Smash about his N3 results repeatedly since then, and Smash has not elaborated. He's apparently sticking to his story that he got no results on Crusher.

 

I asked Doggin if players would lose their investigative powers if they were converted, and he said PAFO.

 

I'm of the opinion that Smash has been converted. If he's really a watcher, Cult would not risk keeping him around to create the wifom so he gets lynched, rather they'd just convert him.

 

Interesting. I think we should go for our surest bet at any cult right now regardless of whether or not we think it's the cult leader so that we can get a cult result from the coroner and track back from that. Do you think Smash is our surest bet for cult?

[DPR]

  On 8/22/2011 at 8:42 PM, John McClane said:

Original Lannisters (4) - should be 2 remaining:

8) Crusher (Tywin Lannister), the Lannister Paymaster

14) Red - Jaime Lannister, Lannister Swordmaster

17) BooBoo/JiF - Cersei Lannister

21) Lanth/12th Regiment - Tyrion Lannister, Lannister Backup Paymaster

 

Converted Lannisters (1):

2) Jack - Lysa Arryn, Survivor turned Lannister bannerman

 

So far, we haven't seen any roles on the Lannister team that parallel Smash "watcher" role... and so far, Smash's targets have been very, very convenient.

 

Given the setup, and the fact that survivors can purchase investigative roles - and the amount of survivors, I see no place for an investigative role on either of the family teams. If there is one, and they are out in the open I'd suspect them to be killed or converted very quickly.

 

What has Smash done for us?

 

N1 he watches CTM, but only tell us about it after CTM makes it known in game that he stole from me. Making Smash's N1 result a layup.

 

N2 watched Mynd, and seemed to formulate a case that Mynd is the CL even though Mynd hadn't actually done anything after being watched. Stating that Mynd could have converted in the day, when it was widely known in the game that conversions happen at night. He was selling this case hard, given the holes in it, unsure of why right now...

 

N3 he watches Crusher, Crusher gets killed and he gets no results. Another layup? Seriously 2 out of these 3 "watches" have been busts. Coincidence?

I asked Doggin if investigative roles would be given a result no matter if the player they targeted was killed the same night and he said YES. I've asked Smash about his N3 results repeatedly since then, and Smash has not elaborated. He's apparently sticking to his story that he got no results on Crusher.

 

I asked Doggin if players would lose their investigative powers if they were converted, and he said PAFO.

 

I'm of the opinion that Smash has been converted. If he's really a watcher, Cult would not risk keeping him around to create the wifom so he gets lynched, rather they'd just convert him.

 

But, if he is cult, he's been recruited, right? Are we going after the CL while we still have big numbers?

 

I don't disgree that Smash makes a great candidate for recruitment, but at this point, I'd rather use that to narrow down who we think the CL might be.

 

 

 

[Smash]

  On 8/22/2011 at 8:42 PM, John McClane said:

Original Lannisters (4) - should be 2 remaining:

8) Crusher (Tywin Lannister), the Lannister Paymaster

14) Red - Jaime Lannister, Lannister Swordmaster

17) BooBoo/JiF - Cersei Lannister

21) Lanth/12th Regiment - Tyrion Lannister, Lannister Backup Paymaster

 

Converted Lannisters (1):

2) Jack - Lysa Arryn, Survivor turned Lannister bannerman

 

So far, we haven't seen any roles on the Lannister team that parallel Smash "watcher" role... and so far, Smash's targets have been very, very convenient.

 

Given the setup, and the fact that survivors can purchase investigative roles - and the amount of survivors, I see no place for an investigative role on either of the family teams. If there is one, and they are out in the open I'd suspect them to be killed or converted very quickly.

 

What has Smash done for us?

 

N1 he watches CTM, but only tell us about it after CTM makes it known in game that he stole from me. Making Smash's N1 result a layup.

 

N2 watched Mynd, and seemed to formulate a case that Mynd is the CL even though Mynd hadn't actually done anything after being watched. Stating that Mynd could have converted in the day, when it was widely known in the game that conversions happen at night. He was selling this case hard, given the holes in it, unsure of why right now...

 

N3 he watches Crusher, Crusher gets killed and he gets no results. Another layup? Seriously 2 out of these 3 "watches" have been busts. Coincidence?

I asked Doggin if investigative roles would be given a result no matter if the player they targeted was killed the same night and he said YES. I've asked Smash about his N3 results repeatedly since then, and Smash has not elaborated. He's apparently sticking to his story that he got no results on Crusher.

 

I asked Doggin if players would lose their investigative powers if they were converted, and he said PAFO.

 

I'm of the opinion that Smash has been converted. If he's really a watcher, Cult would not risk keeping him around to create the wifom so he gets lynched, rather they'd just convert him.

 

I Watched Crusher and my return PM from Kiv Said ....."nothing" The actual word NOTHING and thats all he said. It could mean that Crusher was Killed before I turned in my action, Im not sure, but thats what Kiv said.

[WWWwombat]

Stop saying "watch" when you guys mean "track."

[Hybrid]

  On 8/22/2011 at 8:42 PM, WWWwombat said:

I'm actually reexamining my assumptions right now and no longer have them ruled out as cult leaders.

 

I'm ruling out McClane as cult leader. I'm still wondering at CTM. I remember him dropping some survivor tells, but I don't remember if he was the first to do so for that particular tell. I also have the nagging feeling that McClane didn't put CTM down as a survivor until Day 2, but I need to reread to verify.

[Smash]

  On 8/22/2011 at 8:45 PM, WWWwombat said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 8:42 PM, John McClane said:

Original Lannisters (4) - should be 2 remaining:

8) Crusher (Tywin Lannister), the Lannister Paymaster

14) Red - Jaime Lannister, Lannister Swordmaster

17) BooBoo/JiF - Cersei Lannister

21) Lanth/12th Regiment - Tyrion Lannister, Lannister Backup Paymaster

 

Converted Lannisters (1):

2) Jack - Lysa Arryn, Survivor turned Lannister bannerman

 

So far, we haven't seen any roles on the Lannister team that parallel Smash "watcher" role... and so far, Smash's targets have been very, very convenient.

 

Given the setup, and the fact that survivors can purchase investigative roles - and the amount of survivors, I see no place for an investigative role on either of the family teams. If there is one, and they are out in the open I'd suspect them to be killed or converted very quickly.

 

What has Smash done for us?

 

N1 he watches CTM, but only tell us about it after CTM makes it known in game that he stole from me. Making Smash's N1 result a layup.

 

N2 watched Mynd, and seemed to formulate a case that Mynd is the CL even though Mynd hadn't actually done anything after being watched. Stating that Mynd could have converted in the day, when it was widely known in the game that conversions happen at night. He was selling this case hard, given the holes in it, unsure of why right now...

 

N3 he watches Crusher, Crusher gets killed and he gets no results. Another layup? Seriously 2 out of these 3 "watches" have been busts. Coincidence?

I asked Doggin if investigative roles would be given a result no matter if the player they targeted was killed the same night and he said YES. I've asked Smash about his N3 results repeatedly since then, and Smash has not elaborated. He's apparently sticking to his story that he got no results on Crusher.

 

I asked Doggin if players would lose their investigative powers if they were converted, and he said PAFO.

 

I'm of the opinion that Smash has been converted. If he's really a watcher, Cult would not risk keeping him around to create the wifom so he gets lynched, rather they'd just convert him.

 

Interesting. I think we should go for our surest bet at any cult right now regardless of whether or not we think it's the cult leader so that we can get a cult result from the coroner and track back from that. Do you think Smash is our surest bet for cult?

 

My goal is to hunt the CL but I think your surest bet on regular CULT would be John McClane. He has not STFU the entire game but was silent half the day on Friday (or thrusday forget which day it was ) and I have a strong feeling he was recruited that day, was probably pissed, and had to reevaluate his position in the game at that point. His bullshit story about work is not flying with me.

 

And just for the Record I have NO PROBLEM investigating what the majority of the players in this game think is a good idea based on what we know. If we dont start killing cult now and stop letting McClane drag us in 900 directions its going to get ugly quick.

[Kivam]

Vote Count

 

Mynd (7) - CTM, Barm, Hybrid, Sakaea, Verbal, Smash, the Dude

CTM (1) - McClane

Slats (3) - JF80, DPR, Wwwombat

 

 

10 to lynch

[John McClane]

  On 8/22/2011 at 8:45 PM, WWWwombat said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 8:42 PM, John McClane said:

Original Lannisters (4) - should be 2 remaining:

8) Crusher (Tywin Lannister), the Lannister Paymaster

14) Red - Jaime Lannister, Lannister Swordmaster

17) BooBoo/JiF - Cersei Lannister

21) Lanth/12th Regiment - Tyrion Lannister, Lannister Backup Paymaster

 

Converted Lannisters (1):

2) Jack - Lysa Arryn, Survivor turned Lannister bannerman

 

So far, we haven't seen any roles on the Lannister team that parallel Smash "watcher" role... and so far, Smash's targets have been very, very convenient.

 

Given the setup, and the fact that survivors can purchase investigative roles - and the amount of survivors, I see no place for an investigative role on either of the family teams. If there is one, and they are out in the open I'd suspect them to be killed or converted very quickly.

 

What has Smash done for us?

 

N1 he watches CTM, but only tell us about it after CTM makes it known in game that he stole from me. Making Smash's N1 result a layup.

 

N2 watched Mynd, and seemed to formulate a case that Mynd is the CL even though Mynd hadn't actually done anything after being watched. Stating that Mynd could have converted in the day, when it was widely known in the game that conversions happen at night. He was selling this case hard, given the holes in it, unsure of why right now...

 

N3 he watches Crusher, Crusher gets killed and he gets no results. Another layup? Seriously 2 out of these 3 "watches" have been busts. Coincidence?

I asked Doggin if investigative roles would be given a result no matter if the player they targeted was killed the same night and he said YES. I've asked Smash about his N3 results repeatedly since then, and Smash has not elaborated. He's apparently sticking to his story that he got no results on Crusher.

 

I asked Doggin if players would lose their investigative powers if they were converted, and he said PAFO.

 

I'm of the opinion that Smash has been converted. If he's really a watcher, Cult would not risk keeping him around to create the wifom so he gets lynched, rather they'd just convert him.

 

Interesting. I think we should go for our surest bet at any cult right now regardless of whether or not we think it's the cult leader so that we can get a cult result from the coroner and track back from that. Do you think Smash is our surest bet for cult?

 

I confirmed with Doggin that if Smash is an investigative role as he says, that he should have gotten a result. Smash said he got NO result, even after I nudged him for one after talking to Doggin. Doggin said he's trying to keep his day job, so his PMs may go out late, but Doggin said this after responding to me 3-4 times, and while I was asking Smash if he still had no result from Doggin. I would think that if Smash suddenly got a late response, he'd have immediately given us an update. Only excuse for him not getting a result is possible conversion. So yeah, I kinda think he is the best bet we've got.

 

I'm re-reading his defense of himself from when he revealed. I think he was obviously telling the truth when he revealed, given that Red confirmed that the House people know the names of their Bannermen (below). I would think that the Stark House would have come forward if Smash lied on reveal. So, I think Smash is a convert.

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 11:14 PM, Red2111 said:

we know our bannermen character names, not player names Hybrid. i though i clarified that. it's why i keep telling Smash to character reveal his real character.

[Sharrow]

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:21 PM, CTM said:

btw--- i shot the ape too.. he's the one survivor in doggin's scene, which means he's buying vest's with his money which to me means he's cult or hasn't declared...

 

I knew he would do that I just hoped someone had stolen it from him last night or he hadn't yet earned the dough to buy a new one.. I was very tempted to shoot him twice and trust the stark NK'er to off crusher, but I figured I would play cautiously and make sure crusher is dispatched so we didn't waste another day lynching a known entity..Anyway.. ape has no vest now.. so fire away.. or, lets just lynch him!

 

 

I'd like to find out a little more on wwwombat and dpr too

 

I was told that thefts happen at the very end of the night phase. So even if it was stolen from him, you would have shot it away before it was taken.

[Smash]

  On 8/22/2011 at 9:00 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 8:45 PM, WWWwombat said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 8:42 PM, John McClane said:

Original Lannisters (4) - should be 2 remaining:

8) Crusher (Tywin Lannister), the Lannister Paymaster

14) Red - Jaime Lannister, Lannister Swordmaster

17) BooBoo/JiF - Cersei Lannister

21) Lanth/12th Regiment - Tyrion Lannister, Lannister Backup Paymaster

 

Converted Lannisters (1):

2) Jack - Lysa Arryn, Survivor turned Lannister bannerman

 

So far, we haven't seen any roles on the Lannister team that parallel Smash "watcher" role... and so far, Smash's targets have been very, very convenient.

 

Given the setup, and the fact that survivors can purchase investigative roles - and the amount of survivors, I see no place for an investigative role on either of the family teams. If there is one, and they are out in the open I'd suspect them to be killed or converted very quickly.

 

What has Smash done for us?

 

N1 he watches CTM, but only tell us about it after CTM makes it known in game that he stole from me. Making Smash's N1 result a layup.

 

N2 watched Mynd, and seemed to formulate a case that Mynd is the CL even though Mynd hadn't actually done anything after being watched. Stating that Mynd could have converted in the day, when it was widely known in the game that conversions happen at night. He was selling this case hard, given the holes in it, unsure of why right now...

 

N3 he watches Crusher, Crusher gets killed and he gets no results. Another layup? Seriously 2 out of these 3 "watches" have been busts. Coincidence?

I asked Doggin if investigative roles would be given a result no matter if the player they targeted was killed the same night and he said YES. I've asked Smash about his N3 results repeatedly since then, and Smash has not elaborated. He's apparently sticking to his story that he got no results on Crusher.

 

I asked Doggin if players would lose their investigative powers if they were converted, and he said PAFO.

 

I'm of the opinion that Smash has been converted. If he's really a watcher, Cult would not risk keeping him around to create the wifom so he gets lynched, rather they'd just convert him.

 

Interesting. I think we should go for our surest bet at any cult right now regardless of whether or not we think it's the cult leader so that we can get a cult result from the coroner and track back from that. Do you think Smash is our surest bet for cult?

 

I confirmed with Doggin that if Smash is an investigative role as he says, that he should have gotten a result. Smash said he got NO result, even after I nudged him for one after talking to Doggin. Doggin said he's trying to keep his day job, so his PMs may go out late, but Doggin said this after responding to me 3-4 times, and while I was asking Smash if he still had no result from Doggin. I would think that if Smash suddenly got a late response, he'd have immediately given us an update. Only excuse for him not getting a result is possible conversion. So yeah, I kinda think he is the best bet we've got.

 

I'm re-reading his defense of himself from when he revealed. I think he was obviously telling the truth when he revealed, given that Red confirmed that the House people know the names of their Bannermen (below). I would think that the Stark House would have come forward if Smash lied on reveal. So, I think Smash is a convert.

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 11:14 PM, Red2111 said:

we know our bannermen character names, not player names Hybrid. i though i clarified that. it's why i keep telling Smash to character reveal his real character.

 

Im not a convert Monkey breath you are the convert and you have offered absoultely nothing to this game other than contradictions and the usual stupidity. I have told you exactly what Kiv stated in My PM's and gave a reason as to why I thought he gave me the info he did. Why would I make that shit up about a dead player ? Stop acting like a fool