[Advanced/Experimental] Game of Thrones Mafia

[John McClane]

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:55 PM, slats said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:36 PM, Bleedin Green said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:31 PM, John McClane said:

JN Metagaming time... anyone notice how quiet this blockhead has been so far?

There's been a lot of oddly quiet JNers this game, smash certainly included. While part of it does have to do with my complete lack of work to do the past couple of days, since when am I a freakin' top 3 poster amongst this crowd?

 

I mentioned it before, but JF80 stands out as incredibly quiet. He's usually right up there with McApe in the top two, but he's nowhere to be found in this one.

 

I would say JF80, Smash and YOU are the most uncharacteristically quiet...

[Bleedin Green]

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:55 PM, slats said:

I mentioned it before, but JF80 stands out as incredibly quiet. He's usually right up there with McApe in the top two, but he's nowhere to be found in this one.

Definitely true. At first I figured it wasn't all that odd that some were having lower post counts simply because of the dynamic of being on a separate site. We all know that when on JN even if you aren't looking at the mafia thread, all it takes is one of those little reply notifications to pop up and you're right back in it. But it's definitely excessive for it to be this different for some people. 80, smash and Vic (although he started getting more involved) are probably the ones who jump out to me most. The first two of them have less posts than freakin' Sharrow of all people. Not sure what to make of it.

[The Crusher]

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:55 PM, slats said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:36 PM, Bleedin Green said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:31 PM, John McClane said:

JN Metagaming time... anyone notice how quiet this blockhead has been so far?

There's been a lot of oddly quiet JNers this game, smash certainly included. While part of it does have to do with my complete lack of work to do the past couple of days, since when am I a freakin' top 3 poster amongst this crowd?

 

I mentioned it before, but JF80 stands out as incredibly quiet. He's usually right up there with McApe in the top two, but he's nowhere to be found in this one.

 

 

I get the same feeling on J80. He has posted very little and when he did he sorta played the tuff guy like he didn;t care what anyone thought. Very peculiar. He is usually very engaged in these games. Very helpful when town. The last town I thought his play was off was the first time he was scum.

 

I like to kick the tires on him VOTE J80

[The Crusher]

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:59 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:55 PM, slats said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:36 PM, Bleedin Green said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:31 PM, John McClane said:

JN Metagaming time... anyone notice how quiet this blockhead has been so far?

There's been a lot of oddly quiet JNers this game, smash certainly included. While part of it does have to do with my complete lack of work to do the past couple of days, since when am I a freakin' top 3 poster amongst this crowd?

 

I mentioned it before, but JF80 stands out as incredibly quiet. He's usually right up there with McApe in the top two, but he's nowhere to be found in this one.

 

I would say JF80, Smash and YOU are the most uncharacteristically quiet...

 

You been loud enough for all of them. You are killing it this game. Killed Jack anyhow, should get a bonus. LOL

[slats]

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:59 PM, John McClane said:

I would say JF80, Smash and YOU are the most uncharacteristically quiet...

 

Meh. Me and Smash are usually middle of the pack guys (and I know he's voting you, so he's on your OMGUS-dar, so I'm just saying... ), but JF80 is usually an every other post guy along with you. DPR's another guy who's usually on the leader board and is down at the bottom in this one.

[DPR]

I'm caught up now. First, Mynd and JF80 being all but absent with no mod warning is something to think about - methinks gold is already being tossed about.

 

Second, I'm still not right with the Ape/Jack/Far exhange, and Pac's vote on Far was interesting to me.

 

Hybrid, keep yer grubby paws away from me treasure. heh

 

Other than that, I see a lot of circling. Three NK attempts doesn't really surprise me, but the fact that none of them went through does.

 

Hmmmm...

[DPR]

And yes, I've been quiet for me, but I'm happy to whip up a shit-storm if that will amuse everyone. I'm just taking my time trying to figure out what's going on while everybody blathers on and on and on...rule #14 and all.

[John McClane]

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:08 PM, slats said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:59 PM, John McClane said:

I would say JF80, Smash and YOU are the most uncharacteristically quiet...

 

Meh. Me and Smash are usually middle of the pack guys (and I know he's voting you, so he's on your OMGUS-dar, so I'm just saying... ), but JF80 is usually an every other post guy along with you. DPR's another guy who's usually on the leader board and is down at the bottom in this one.

 

Oh, I'm just trying to argue with you... its a trap, ya know?

[Lanthirrhos]

  On 8/17/2011 at 12:22 PM, CTM said:

Burp..

 

Oy! You say I can't assume what I don't know, then agree with my assumption, but still reach the conclusion that we succesffully off'd a faction member. :drunk/crazy emoticon:

 

I would like you to quote where I said "family member". We lynched an ex-survivor, who wan't "innocent" by your definition. If you have to argue, try doing it out side of Ape Mode... Ape Jr. (Love the symmetry there)

 

Let me help with the emotes:

 

...Damn emote limit. I had more.

 

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:33 PM, Bleedin Green said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:20 PM, Red2111 said:

also, any thoughts on the fact theres 3 NK's?? 2 i could expect seeing as the Lannisters/Starks are essentially two "scum" type teams. i wonder if kiv threw a mnkey wrench in this game and added a SK just to mess with us some more.

I was wondering that myself. SK is a possibility, but I have no idea how it does or doesn't fit in with the theme, as I've never seen the show or read the books. Could also potentially be a vig, but considering this is a very experienced mafia group, I doubt anyone around here would be taking vig shots night one. Then again, in a game where the "town" is survivors, a survivor vig would pretty much be the same thing as a SK anyway, huh? Yeah, so scratch that.

 

Only other possibility I could think of is there any chance the cult also has some sort of limited NK ability? Obviously wouldn't make sense for them to be able to convert AND NK every night, and if it was their choice of one or the other I can't imagine they'd go NK instead of conversion night 1, but they could have something there. I just thought of this particularly since I've had roles in past games of Kiv's that had numerous abilities with limits on how often each could be done.

 

Kiv gave us the win conditions for everyone in the game, there wasn't an SK. I believe that list was exclusive to to all other roles was it not? o why do people insist on acting like there are other roles and win conditions? Why do you even bring it up? (To Red and BG pecifically)

 

Bold paragraph is a possibility (if you aren't going to take John's hardline that the kills must only be from survivors, you can correct me if I'm reading that wrong, but if I'm not, it's a silly assumption).

 

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:36 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:31 PM, Bleedin Green said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:22 PM, Red2111 said:

not relaly, it's just using common sense John. Kiv designed this game so it's basiclaly boils down to 1 scum team against another; why is it not logical to assume there would be a NK given to each team? in a normal set up with two scum teams and a town, the two teams have NKs, the only difference between this game and a regular 2 scum game is the town has a chance to flock to one side and join the fight instead of sitting around liek a bunch of ducks being caught in the cross fire.

 

 

call your vote what it is, and OMGUS in disguise with a dash of reaching for a reaction

I get exactly what the Ape's reasoning for having an issue with our discussion is, but it's extremely short sighted. Based on info he has, he's making a massive assumption as to what happened regarding last nights kill attempts, and bulldozing ahead based on that. Only problem is that anyone who takes a second to think about it realizes that it's, at best, a reach to assume the series of events that would lead to the Ape's assumption occurred all within a single day/night phase, so I'm not about to eliminate other possibilities because he has chosen already to do so.

 

 

I asked Kivam if objects or gold are stolen on N1, can they then be used or purchase and used on N1... answer is pending.

 

Regardless, Red is trying to allocate kill attempts to the factions - if he knew anything at all about the survivor role, he'd understand why such a discussion is moot.

 

I'm seeing a lot of deflection among ALL of these. John still seems the most culty for wanting the elimination on an entire family first--and the flawed logic that this would somehow make the pool of possible cultists smaller and therefore easier to find.... I'm sorry, you can't even think that on accident. He's backed away from that arguement now becaue it's so much crap, but seriously, you can't even pretend that was legit. (I'll dig up a quote if people don't remember him saying it, just let me know... I'm too lazy to do it if I don't have to)

 

Red is taking the opportunity to push the cult scene now, which to be fair, she did mention before all this, but her own slips make it harder to buy as a non-scum move.

 

BG I think has the best defense... John is over hyping both their comments (even if he is correct) to deflect from himself.

 

Defensiveness isn't a sign of scumiminity, but any lynches from those three (BG being my least favorite of the 3 for a lynch) would hopefully give us some info in the other 2. I favor John for the Cult possibility, it has some decent support even if Red is just BSing to save her hide.

 

Ok, I've played with Lily a few time, and while this IS a move she uses as scum, I've seen her do it as town too. It's not an amazingly compelling case, but I don't mind pushing for info, but based on what has been provided, I don't see a Lily-lynch being amazingly useful or practical (until she replies anyways, and it's highly unlikey that she is going to trip up at this point with everyone watching her).

 

I'll hold off voting, but those are my choices thus far. I wouldn't mind Pac either, but that's for uselessness being ued as a possible scum cover. Not the best case we have. He could just be useless.

[Pac]

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:55 PM, slats said:

I mentioned it before, but JF80 stands out as incredibly quiet. He's usually right up there with McApe in the top two, but he's nowhere to be found in this one.

 

Perhaps you found you some more "scum".

[Hybrid]

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:10 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Hybrid, keep yer grubby paws away from me treasure. heh

 

I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Lanthirrhos]

OH, I don't know JN players' styles, so I don't know who is quiet and who isn't. I'm kinda relying on you people to point that out. scary.

 

Also, the lat few game I had with Mynd have been a lot like this. He is a LOT more busy than he used to be... but I thought he'd have made time for this one. More time than a single post (or 2?)

[Pac]

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:21 PM, Lanthirrhos said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 12:22 PM, CTM said:

Burp..

 

Oy! You say I can't assume what I don't know, then agree with my assumption, but still reach the conclusion that we succesffully off'd a faction member. :drunk/crazy emoticon:

 

I would like you to quote where I said "family member". We lynched an ex-survivor, who wan't "innocent" by your definition. If you have to argue, try doing it out side of Ape Mode... Ape Jr. (Love the symmetry there)

 

Let me help with the emotes:

 

...Damn emote limit. I had more.

 

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:33 PM, Bleedin Green said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:20 PM, Red2111 said:

also, any thoughts on the fact theres 3 NK's?? 2 i could expect seeing as the Lannisters/Starks are essentially two "scum" type teams. i wonder if kiv threw a mnkey wrench in this game and added a SK just to mess with us some more.

I was wondering that myself. SK is a possibility, but I have no idea how it does or doesn't fit in with the theme, as I've never seen the show or read the books. Could also potentially be a vig, but considering this is a very experienced mafia group, I doubt anyone around here would be taking vig shots night one. Then again, in a game where the "town" is survivors, a survivor vig would pretty much be the same thing as a SK anyway, huh? Yeah, so scratch that.

 

Only other possibility I could think of is there any chance the cult also has some sort of limited NK ability? Obviously wouldn't make sense for them to be able to convert AND NK every night, and if it was their choice of one or the other I can't imagine they'd go NK instead of conversion night 1, but they could have something there. I just thought of this particularly since I've had roles in past games of Kiv's that had numerous abilities with limits on how often each could be done.

 

Kiv gave us the win conditions for everyone in the game, there wasn't an SK. I believe that list was exclusive to to all other roles was it not? o why do people insist on acting like there are other roles and win conditions? Why do you even bring it up? (To Red and BG pecifically)

 

Bold paragraph is a possibility (if you aren't going to take John's hardline that the kills must only be from survivors, you can correct me if I'm reading that wrong, but if I'm not, it's a silly assumption).

 

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:36 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:31 PM, Bleedin Green said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:22 PM, Red2111 said:

not relaly, it's just using common sense John. Kiv designed this game so it's basiclaly boils down to 1 scum team against another; why is it not logical to assume there would be a NK given to each team? in a normal set up with two scum teams and a town, the two teams have NKs, the only difference between this game and a regular 2 scum game is the town has a chance to flock to one side and join the fight instead of sitting around liek a bunch of ducks being caught in the cross fire.

 

 

call your vote what it is, and OMGUS in disguise with a dash of reaching for a reaction

I get exactly what the Ape's reasoning for having an issue with our discussion is, but it's extremely short sighted. Based on info he has, he's making a massive assumption as to what happened regarding last nights kill attempts, and bulldozing ahead based on that. Only problem is that anyone who takes a second to think about it realizes that it's, at best, a reach to assume the series of events that would lead to the Ape's assumption occurred all within a single day/night phase, so I'm not about to eliminate other possibilities because he has chosen already to do so.

 

 

I asked Kivam if objects or gold are stolen on N1, can they then be used or purchase and used on N1... answer is pending.

 

Regardless, Red is trying to allocate kill attempts to the factions - if he knew anything at all about the survivor role, he'd understand why such a discussion is moot.

 

I'm seeing a lot of deflection among ALL of these. John still seems the most culty for wanting the elimination on an entire family first--and the flawed logic that this would somehow make the pool of possible cultists smaller and therefore easier to find.... I'm sorry, you can't even think that on accident. He's backed away from that arguement now becaue it's so much crap, but seriously, you can't even pretend that was legit. (I'll dig up a quote if people don't remember him saying it, just let me know... I'm too lazy to do it if I don't have to)

 

Red is taking the opportunity to push the cult scene now, which to be fair, she did mention before all this, but her own slips make it harder to buy as a non-scum move.

 

BG I think has the best defense... John is over hyping both their comments (even if he is correct) to deflect from himself.

 

Defensiveness isn't a sign of scumiminity, but any lynches from those three (BG being my least favorite of the 3 for a lynch) would hopefully give us some info in the other 2. I favor John for the Cult possibility, it has some decent support even if Red is just BSing to save her hide.

 

Ok, I've played with Lily a few time, and while this IS a move she uses as scum, I've seen her do it as town too. It's not an amazingly compelling case, but I don't mind pushing for info, but based on what has been provided, I don't see a Lily-lynch being amazingly useful or practical (until she replies anyways, and it's highly unlikey that she is going to trip up at this point with everyone watching her).

 

I'll hold off voting, but those are my choices thus far. I wouldn't mind Pac either, but that's for uselessness being ued as a possible scum cover. Not the best case we have. He could just be useless.

 

 

Good grief.. John was NOT cult yesterday. That's not to say he wasn't converted last night - which I doubt - but I don't think there's any way he started out as natural cult. He was the first to mention a few things that are VERY similar to my role PM. As of yesterday he was a survivor... a loud, dumb, survivor.

 

Apparently you're not a survivor. Welcome to the club of people I'd vote for today. In fact lets make it official:

 

Unvote Far

 

Vote Lanthirrhos

[CTM]

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:20 PM, John McClane said:

Questions I asked Kivam:

 

1. Do all Survivors have the same win condition scenarios?

 

2. Do all Survivors have the ability to steal, and if so, are their options the same for all the things they can buy with stolen gold?

 

 

His response was yes to both. So, its strikes me as very, very odd that BG and Red are pondering how there could have been 3 NK's.

 

Kill them both!!!!

Meh again, I was wondering the same because a) i successfully stole from your dumb ass yesterday (I'm sure half the survivors did since you post every other post) and b) I wasn't informed that my steal was succsful and that you had dick until night end.. Maybe doggin would've told me sooner, and given me a chance to buy a weapon, or maybe others started with a weapon.. but i definitly didn't come away with the feeling that I was going to be shooting anyone last night.. unless soeone sold thier vote yesterday

[slats]

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:22 PM, Pac said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:55 PM, slats said:

I mentioned it before, but JF80 stands out as incredibly quiet. He's usually right up there with McApe in the top two, but he's nowhere to be found in this one.

 

Perhaps you found you some more "scum".

 

Don't make me freak out on you, man. Just don't do it.

[Bleedin Green]

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:21 PM, Lanthirrhos said:

Kiv gave us the win conditions for everyone in the game, there wasn't an SK. I believe that list was exclusive to to all other roles was it not? o why do people insist on acting like there are other roles and win conditions? Why do you even bring it up? (To Red and BG pecifically)

The reason I considered it possible is because essentially a SK in this game could really just be a survivor with a permanent NK ability, and so would fit right into the scope of the game, and not really be another win condition. They wouldn't even necessarily need to be labeled a SK per say. More than anything, I was really just trying to talk through other possibilities of NK origins, because when 3 NKs came through (all failed on top of that), it definitely struck me as strange and I just couldn't imagine the scenario playing out the way Mr. Die Hard seems to think it did. It's possible, I just find it extremely unlikely, and certainly wasn't ready to assume that's what happened.

[John McClane]

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:21 PM, Lanthirrhos said:

 

Bold paragraph is a possibility (if you aren't going to take John's hardline that the kills must only be from survivors, you can correct me if I'm reading that wrong, but if I'm not, it's a silly assumption).

 

 

To clarify, my stance is NOT that all the kills must only be from survivors - you are putting words in my mouth. My case on Red is that he wouldn't have speculated about why there were 3 NK attempts AT ALL if he knew the in's and out's of the survivor role.

[John McClane]

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:36 PM, slats said:

 

Don't make me freak out on you, man. Just don't do it.

 

Is that a dirty hippie emoticon? Seriously? I love this website now.

[Hybrid]

  Quote

John still seems the most culty for wanting the elimination on an entire family first--and the flawed logic that this would somehow make the pool of possible cultists smaller and therefore easier to find.... I'm sorry, you can't even think that on accident. He's backed away from that arguement now becaue it's so much crap, but seriously, you can't even pretend that was legit. (I'll dig up a quote if people don't remember him saying it, just let me know... I'm too lazy to do it if I don't have to)

 

I get what you're saying, but he wasn't the only one to propose or back such a plan during Day 1. That makes me inclined to think of it more as a null tell without corroborating evidence.

 

I think Red's most likely to be cult leader at the moment. In any case, she definitely is not (nor has ever been) a survivor.

[John McClane]

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:36 PM, Bleedin Green said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:21 PM, Lanthirrhos said:

Kiv gave us the win conditions for everyone in the game, there wasn't an SK. I believe that list was exclusive to to all other roles was it not? o why do people insist on acting like there are other roles and win conditions? Why do you even bring it up? (To Red and BG pecifically)

The reason I considered it possible is because essentially a SK in this game could really just be a survivor with a permanent NK ability, and so would fit right into the scope of the game, and not really be another win condition. They wouldn't even necessarily need to be labeled a SK per say. More than anything, I was really just trying to talk through other possibilities of NK origins, because when 3 NKs came through (all failed on top of that), it definitely struck me as strange and I just couldn't imagine the scenario playing out the way Mr. Die Hard seems to think it did. It's possible, I just find it extremely unlikely, and certainly wasn't ready to assume that's what happened.

 

For starters, I never said that all the NK's came from survivors like you've alluded to, and like Lanth just alluded to... you guys chatting on the side somewhere? Simply put - a survivor wouldn't be speculating about the origins of the NK attempts, because they'd know it could be any sequence of things.

 

Personally, I buy into the "oh look a night kill" comments as a scum tell. So you and Red pinged me with your little chit-chat.

 

Also, I've already stated that I asked Kivam if all survivors had the same role, and he said yes. Pondering about a SK, given that info and the fact that the 4 factions were defined in the opening scene is either sloppy or purposely misleading...

[Verbal32]

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:46 PM, Red2111 said:

another question on the subject of there being 3 kills, i wonder what prevented them as well. theres a slew of roles that coudl be in place that could block a Kill, but thats a whole lot of good guessing imo and i don't like coinsedences

 

Yeah, I noticed this as well. You are most definitely NOT a survivor. Therefore, we should lynch you. Sorry, Red.

 

Vote: Red

 

 

 

 

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:10 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

I'm caught up now. First, Mynd and JF80 being all but absent with no mod warning is something to think about - methinks gold is already being tossed about.

 

Second, I'm still not right with the Ape/Jack/Far exhange, and Pac's vote on Far was interesting to me.

 

Hybrid, keep yer grubby paws away from me treasure. heh

 

Other than that, I see a lot of circling. Three NK attempts doesn't really surprise me, but the fact that none of them went through does.

 

Hmmmm...

 

Really? You say that after reading what just happened to Red? That is strange.....

[Hybrid]

To add to my previous post:

 

The thing that really did it for me wasn't just the NK speculation -- because I can maybe buy skepticism over the number of NKs --, it was this:

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:46 PM, Red2111 said:

another question on the subject of there being 3 kills, i wonder what prevented them as well. theres a slew of roles that coudl be in place that could block a Kill, but thats a whole lot of good guessing imo and i don't like coinsedences

 

No survivor would have said this.

 

Add to that Red's unwillingness or inability to address the reasons at hand and the defensiveness of her reaction and there's very little that will persuade me to vote elsewhere today.

[Hybrid]

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:49 PM, Verbal32 said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:10 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

I'm caught up now. First, Mynd and JF80 being all but absent with no mod warning is something to think about - methinks gold is already being tossed about.

 

Second, I'm still not right with the Ape/Jack/Far exhange, and Pac's vote on Far was interesting to me.

 

Hybrid, keep yer grubby paws away from me treasure. heh

 

Other than that, I see a lot of circling. Three NK attempts doesn't really surprise me, but the fact that none of them went through does.

 

Hmmmm...

 

Really? You say that after reading what just happened to Red? That is strange.....

 

 

Good catch. She also defended DPR a little when I voted for him, so it will interesting to see what she flips.

[John McClane]

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:49 PM, Hybrid said:

To add to my previous post:

 

The thing that really did it for me wasn't just the NK speculation -- because I can maybe buy skepticism over the number of NKs --, it was this:

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:46 PM, Red2111 said:

another question on the subject of there being 3 kills, i wonder what prevented them as well. theres a slew of roles that coudl be in place that could block a Kill, but thats a whole lot of good guessing imo and i don't like coinsedences

 

No survivor would have said this.

 

Add to that Red's unwillingness or inability to address the reasons at hand and the defensiveness of her reaction and there's very little that will persuade me to vote elsewhere today.

 

Yep. This was the clincher, I was trying to avoid shining light on it, figured we had enough just with the NK head scratching... but yeah, great catch.

[Verbal32]

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:39 PM, John McClane said:

My case on Red is that he wouldn't have speculated about why there were 3 NK attempts AT ALL if he knew the in's and out's of the survivor role.

 

She, Ape....Red is a she. You even noted it yourself.

 

 

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:50 PM, Hybrid said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:49 PM, Verbal32 said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:10 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

I'm caught up now. First, Mynd and JF80 being all but absent with no mod warning is something to think about - methinks gold is already being tossed about.

 

Second, I'm still not right with the Ape/Jack/Far exhange, and Pac's vote on Far was interesting to me.

 

Hybrid, keep yer grubby paws away from me treasure. heh

 

Other than that, I see a lot of circling. Three NK attempts doesn't really surprise me, but the fact that none of them went through does.

 

Hmmmm...

 

Really? You say that after reading what just happened to Red? That is strange.....

 

 

Good catch. She also defended DPR a little when I voted for him, so it will interesting to see what she flips.

 

Indeed. Methinks a House that Wes is also a member of.