[Advanced/Experimental] Game of Thrones Mafia

[John McClane]

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:43 PM, slats said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:36 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:34 PM, slats said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:26 PM, Pac said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:12 PM, slats said:

This is textbook Lily as scum, IMHO. Showing up after the lynch to "catch up," agreeing with someone, claiming to be lost and not a good player with an excuse as to why she's not posting much...

 

vote: Lily

 

That's great but there really isn't scum per se. Unless you think you've found the Cult Leader?

 

I think the houses are essentially operating as scum teams, too. Survivors have to eliminate one of them.

 

 

Careful Slats, this is essentially what I suggested doing - and now I'm getting voted. LOL

 

I'm not saying lets do it in this or that order. It would be awesome if Lily turned out to be the cult leader! The cult is the biggest threat to everyone, but also (probably) the hardest to find at this point in the game. If we take out the scummiest players, I think we'll get there eventually.

 

 

I know, it was a tongue in cheek comment. I agree cult-hunting should be a priority, but I think its a little naive to say "take out the scummiest players" because you and everyone else knows that the cleanest players are usually the ones that end up being the scum.... this statement is a bit too uber townie... makes me puke in my mouth a little.

[John McClane]

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:48 PM, Pac said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:45 PM, John McClane said:

Care to explain... ?

 

because I'm working and didn't go back to look and see if she was hinting at survivor. If I can confirm she hinted before it became all the rage, then I'll revote.

 

In the meantime gfy...

 

You should re-read, her and I divulged information that made it sort of obvious that we were survivors while Jack botched up the details of his role, we called him out on those details. Check it out...

[slats]

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:50 PM, John McClane said:

I know, it was a tongue in cheek comment. I agree cult-hunting should be a priority, but I think its a little naive to say "take out the scummiest players" because you and everyone else knows that the cleanest players are usually the ones that end up being the scum.... this statement is a bit too uber townie... makes me puke in my mouth a little.

 

Haha! if it makes you feel any better we could always bare-knuckle it for the next few days.

[Pac]

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:53 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:48 PM, Pac said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:45 PM, John McClane said:

Care to explain... ?

 

because I'm working and didn't go back to look and see if she was hinting at survivor. If I can confirm she hinted before it became all the rage, then I'll revote.

 

In the meantime gfy...

 

You should re-read, her and I divulged information that made it sort of obvious that we were survivors while Jack botched up the details of his role, we called him out on those details. Check it out...

 

I'm pretty sure you and CTM are survivors as of this moment. Doesn't mean I don't think the game as a whole will be better off when you're both dead.

[Bleedin Green]

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:50 PM, John McClane said:

I know, it was a tongue in cheek comment. I agree cult-hunting should be a priority, but I think its a little naive to say "take out the scummiest players" because you and everyone else knows that the cleanest players are usually the ones that end up being the scum.... this statement is a bit too uber townie... makes me puke in my mouth a little.

I think you're over-simplifying it a bit. What I mean, and I'm pretty sure slats means, in "taking out the scummiest players" isn't what you're alluding to, where you just go after any player who's posts look at all scummy on the surface without any sort of further basis behind it. Come on, I think you know better than that.

 

The point is handling it in the same manner as typical scum-hunting methods in other games, to try to determine potential lynch candidates as those are the people who are more likely to be cult or at least hopefully a faction member. The example being Lily's play, which nothing she's posted particularly screams obvious scum play, but the point is true that it is something she has tried to pull in the past when doing her under-the-radar scum thing.

[Pac]

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:50 PM, slats said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:38 PM, Pac said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:34 PM, slats said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:26 PM, Pac said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:12 PM, slats said:

This is textbook Lily as scum, IMHO. Showing up after the lynch to "catch up," agreeing with someone, claiming to be lost and not a good player with an excuse as to why she's not posting much...

 

vote: Lily

 

That's great but there really isn't scum per se. Unless you think you've found the Cult Leader?

 

I think the houses are essentially operating as scum teams, too. Survivors have to eliminate one of them.

 

I get that but I'd rather go CL hunting and hit a member of a house as a consolation prize. I'm not really concerned with who dies for the time being. If not the Ape, I'll take a shot at 1 of the red names in the list I put up last night. Might just get me some cult.

 

I think I'm doing essentially the same thing - except I'm targeting the scummiest players and hoping I hit the cult leader. Gives me much better odds.

 

I thought your post count list was pretty silly. If a guy like McApe were the cult leader, would he all of a sudden drop into the middle of the pack? Of course not! That would be too big a tell. If I was going to look at anyone on that list, it would be JF80 -who's also usually a spambot- but has been very quiet this game.

 

I think your gotcha case on Lily citing her scum tendencies was silly as well. eat that.

[Barmacral]

Vote: Mynd

 

He has been virtually non-existant so far this game, showing up once to make a joke vote on Alys. He could do with some pressure to at least show up and play the game.

[Barmacral]

Pac - Far's survivor stuff was in response to Jack's claims, when she was basically accusing him of lying because she knew better. He claimed that she's a member of a house, a claim that she disputed pointing at how she was hinting at being a survivor.

 

BG - Yes, your sig is right.

[slats]

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:00 PM, Pac said:

I think your gotcha case on Lily citing her scum tendencies was silly as well. eat that.

 

Yeah, FOS'ing half the game and saying the cult leader might be one of those players was really going out on a limb. I should've had more respect for that extreme level of ball-less sleuthing. Sorry.

 

If we lynch Lily and she turns out to be the cult leader, you can thank me later.

[Red2111]

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:47 PM, Hybrid said:

Vote DPR

 

He's been quieter than usual this game.

 

Though I could be persuaded to vote for someone else.

 

if anyones been quieter than usual i'd point to finger at Mynd tbh. so if your voting for people based on lack of normal activity, personally i'd go barms route. DPR isn't as active, but atleast he's posted some.

 

 

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:50 PM, slats said:

I think I'm doing essentially the same thing - except I'm targeting the scummiest players and hoping I hit the cult leader. Gives me much better odds.

 

I thought your post count list was pretty silly. If a guy like McApe were the cult leader, would he all of a sudden drop into the middle of the pack? Of course not! That would be too big a tell. If I was going to look at anyone on that list, it would be JF80 -who's also usually a spambot- but has been very quiet this game.

 

 

i agree with the underlined. for me, post counts don't mean too much right now. generally im a fast poster DM wise and am up there but in comarison to you guys it looks liek i'm lurking. later on in the game when people are able to settle into a rhythm and still aren't posting much then i'd say looking for cult in low post count woudl be a good strategy. it's trumped up honestly to be doing it on D1.

 

 

as for the bolded bit, i kinda agree as well. without beign able to meta him, i can't agree 100% that it would be a huge tell, but i do agree it would raise a good bit of FoS on him for it. then again, he's using the excuse "in games when jack dies i normally calm down" to try and cover it.

[Red2111]

also, any thoughts on the fact theres 3 NK's?? 2 i could expect seeing as the Lannisters/Starks are essentially two "scum" type teams. i wonder if kiv threw a mnkey wrench in this game and added a SK just to mess with us some more.

[Bleedin Green]

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:11 PM, Barmacral said:

Pac - Far's survivor stuff was in response to Jack's claims, when she was basically accusing him of lying because she knew better. He claimed that she's a member of a house, a claim that she disputed pointing at how she was hinting at being a survivor.

 

BG - Yes, your sig is right.

If you already feel that way, I feel really bad for you, because I'm only getting warmed up. Come on Barm, you've played on JN before, you should know it's only going to get much worse from here.

[Pac]

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:16 PM, slats said:

Yeah, FOS'ing half the game and saying the cult leader might be one of those players was really going out on a limb. I should've had more respect for that extreme level of ball-less sleuthing. Sorry.

 

If we lynch Lily and she turns out to be the cult leader, you can thank me later.

 

I wasn't fosing half the game hippie.. I said that it was reasonable to assume that a CL would want to blend in the middle in terms of post count so I shaded an area. When I have a chance later on to re-read I'll look at who hinted at survivor before it became in vogue and widdle down from there.

 

Like I said, I don't give 2 sh-ts who dies - so long as it's not a survivor, (ape is the exception, and it's a red name.

 

 

You've been told a number of times there isn't conventional scum yet you burst out of the closet this morning with your super duper scum case on Lils. The same one you roll out in every game we ever play with her. Sorry I didn't share your enthusiasm.

[Bleedin Green]

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:20 PM, Red2111 said:

also, any thoughts on the fact theres 3 NK's?? 2 i could expect seeing as the Lannisters/Starks are essentially two "scum" type teams. i wonder if kiv threw a mnkey wrench in this game and added a SK just to mess with us some more.

I was wondering that myself. SK is a possibility, but I have no idea how it does or doesn't fit in with the theme, as I've never seen the show or read the books. Could also potentially be a vig, but considering this is a very experienced mafia group, I doubt anyone around here would be taking vig shots night one. Then again, in a game where the "town" is survivors, a survivor vig would pretty much be the same thing as a SK anyway, huh? Yeah, so scratch that.

 

Only other possibility I could think of is there any chance the cult also has some sort of limited NK ability? Obviously wouldn't make sense for them to be able to convert AND NK every night, and if it was their choice of one or the other I can't imagine they'd go NK instead of conversion night 1, but they could have something there. I just thought of this particularly since I've had roles in past games of Kiv's that had numerous abilities with limits on how often each could be done.

[slats]

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:25 PM, Pac said:

You've been told a number of times there isn't conventional scum yet you burst out of the closet this morning with your super duper scum case on Lils. The same one you roll out in every game we ever play with her. Sorry I didn't share your enthusiasm.

 

I don't need to be told what kind of game this is. Do you agree that one of the families has to go? I'm simply using the term "scum" as a blanket term for anyone who needs to be eliminated so I can win. You're trying to spin it into something else.

 

I don't come after Lily every game. In fact, I rarely go after Lily. But that particular post read like a find the scumtells puzzle in Highlights magazine to me.

 

If Lily's in a house, you definitely look as if you might also be a member.

[Red2111]

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:33 PM, Bleedin Green said:

I was wondering that myself. SK is a possibility, but I have no idea how it does or doesn't fit in with the theme, as I've never seen the show or read the books.

 

there could be a few characters liek might be able to fill the role as SK. Jacks character woudl have made since for instance given how nucking futs she is, theres also Bronn and a bunch of other sellswords, not to mention the Dothraki that split from Danny's cause. game info aside, you shoudl try the books, their a very enjoyable read imo, especially if you enjoy epic fantasy's.

 

 

 

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Could also potentially be a vig, but considering this is a very experienced mafia group, I doubt anyone around here would be taking vig shots night one. Then again, in a game where the "town" is survivors, a survivor vig would pretty much be the same thing as a SK anyway, huh? Yeah, so scratch that.

 

exactly! which is why i said SK instead, but your right that even a solo vig would still technically be a SK in this case *nods*

 

 

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Only other possibility I could think of is there any chance the cult also has some sort of limited NK ability? Obviously wouldn't make sense for them to be able to convert AND NK every night, and if it was their choice of one or the other I can't imagine they'd go NK instead of conversion night 1, but they could have something there.

 

i hadn't thought of a possability of the cult having an option to kill instead of recruit. i've twisted an SK role similarly, so it's not beyond doing and would really mess with the players and cause alot of confusion. i agree that it's odd if this is the case that they'd forgo a recruit to kill. unless the talk on thread about cult hunting being the focus un-nerved them enough and they thought they had a House member intheir sights.

 

 

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I just thought of this particularly since I've had roles in past games of Kiv's that had numerous abilities with limits on how often each could be done.

 

very true. Kivs an outstanding mod and thnks of things i've never dreameed of with roles. theres no telling what he's done behind scenes to make this game even better than it already is.

 

 

 

another question on the subject of there being 3 kills, i wonder what prevented them as well. theres a slew of roles that coudl be in place that could block a Kill, but thats a whole lot of good guessing imo and i don't like coinsedences

[Hybrid]

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:18 PM, Red2111 said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:47 PM, Hybrid said:

Vote DPR

 

He's been quieter than usual this game.

 

Though I could be persuaded to vote for someone else.

 

if anyones been quieter than usual i'd point to finger at Mynd tbh. so if your voting for people based on lack of normal activity, personally i'd go barms route. DPR isn't as active, but atleast he's posted some.

 

The difference is that Mynd is completely inactive. I have never, ever known him to do this -- not as scum, not as innocent, not as solo win. He loves to be in the thick of it no matter what.

 

DPR on the other hand, has been posting fairly frequently without really getting into the thick of things -- which is very different from what I'm used to from him. It could just be his JN playing style, but it's worth taking a look at it.

[Hybrid]

That being said, the NK/protection speculation between Bleedin and Red pings my radar, particularly Red's last post.

 

Unvote, vote Red

[Kivam]

VOTE COUNT

CTM (1) - Wombat

Lily (4) - Slats, McClane, Vic, CTM

McClane (2) - Red, Booboo

FDM (1) - Pac

Mynd (1) - Barm

Red (1) - Hybrid

[John McClane]

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:18 PM, Red2111 said:

then again, he's using the excuse "in games when jack dies i normally calm down" to try and cover it.

 

 

Its not a cover. I've spent this whole mafia "season" trying to play a more methodical and calm, a less Ape-ish style of game to please my critics. However, what you just saw from me is often how I handle D1/N1 and when Jack came along - I found the best way to deal with his nonsense was to Ape the living crap out of him. Its not a cover, its me being me... telling everyone I'm shifting gears. That's all. I can't keep up that D1 pace of posting all game, I won't get any work done here.

[John McClane]

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:20 PM, Red2111 said:

also, any thoughts on the fact theres 3 NK's?? 2 i could expect seeing as the Lannisters/Starks are essentially two "scum" type teams. i wonder if kiv threw a mnkey wrench in this game and added a SK just to mess with us some more.

 

 

Wha-wha-wee-waaaaaa!!!!

Unvote

Vote Red

 

BIG SLIP.

[John McClane]

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:33 PM, Bleedin Green said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:20 PM, Red2111 said:

also, any thoughts on the fact theres 3 NK's?? 2 i could expect seeing as the Lannisters/Starks are essentially two "scum" type teams. i wonder if kiv threw a mnkey wrench in this game and added a SK just to mess with us some more.

I was wondering that myself. SK is a possibility, but I have no idea how it does or doesn't fit in with the theme, as I've never seen the show or read the books. Could also potentially be a vig, but considering this is a very experienced mafia group, I doubt anyone around here would be taking vig shots night one. Then again, in a game where the "town" is survivors, a survivor vig would pretty much be the same thing as a SK anyway, huh? Yeah, so scratch that.

 

Only other possibility I could think of is there any chance the cult also has some sort of limited NK ability? Obviously wouldn't make sense for them to be able to convert AND NK every night, and if it was their choice of one or the other I can't imagine they'd go NK instead of conversion night 1, but they could have something there. I just thought of this particularly since I've had roles in past games of Kiv's that had numerous abilities with limits on how often each could be done.

 

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:07 PM, Hybrid said:

That being said, the NK/protection speculation between Bleedin and Red pings my radar, particularly Red's last post.

 

Unvote, vote Red

 

 

Oh yeah, either BG or Red is a HOUSE member - or both. They should be the next 2 lynches.

[Bleedin Green]

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:13 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:20 PM, Red2111 said:

also, any thoughts on the fact theres 3 NK's?? 2 i could expect seeing as the Lannisters/Starks are essentially two "scum" type teams. i wonder if kiv threw a mnkey wrench in this game and added a SK just to mess with us some more.

 

 

Wha-wha-wee-waaaaaa!!!!

Unvote

Vote Red

 

BIG SLIP.

Yeah, I know exactly what you're thinking, but do you actually think this early in the game what you're thinking actually is even remotely likely? I find it extraordinarily unlikely, but maybe that's just me.

[Alys Kinch]

Bookmarking my spot. Still reading. Have a response in the works.

[WWWwombat]

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