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Outside of a lynch that gave us nothing, what did his chest thumping gain us? In my opinion, much of nothing. You can't say when Jack switched to the Lannisters and you can't connect the dots to any other Lannisters because this is basically a case built on being a leap of faith.

 

It's a fair point. But there were doubtless some useful things said somewhere along the way; it's just finding it that will be the challenge heh. And if there's not definitive info today, things that were said on Day 1 will take on a different light later, possible as early as morning time. There was a lot of unvoting going on there for a while as John (somehow) swayed folks over to his way of thinking.

 

Okay, that's how you do it, isn't it, McClane? You basically yammer at people until they slip up. I've been off of here so long that I'm bacically a newbie; does it work? Sincere question, not a dig.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 10:38 PM, the dude said:

You on the other hand, Sharrow, are disturbingly quiet =P

 

That's how Sharrow roles.

 

And for the record, Hellsing is awesome. Alucard FTMFW

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Has the obvious question been asked?

 

What is the point of all survivors joining a side when that will give the CL a road map for conversions? I'd imagine a CL would love to infiltrate the QT of the biggest "team" in the game, no?

 

Come to think of it we've got no less than 5 people hinting at being survivors. I'd imagine a sound strategy for the CL will be to convert the likes of Mccvain, CTM, Wombat etc and have them join each faction. Assuming each new member will be allowed to join a QT, there's a good chance the off thread chats are soon going to be infested with cult.

 

It goes without saying that we need to find the converter and fast.

 

Is there a way on this site to see post counts for players? This pig CL is hiding somewhere.

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I think Kivam implied or stated somehwere that Bannerman won't be on a House QT but I'm not sure. On my phone atm and can't check. Also, for checking post counts in this thread, it's the same as on JN; click the number of replies.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 6:15 PM, Kivam said:

There is some (real or feigned) confusion about terminology. I did not intend for the terminology to become an issue in the game, so let me clear it up:

 

Factions are the teams in this game: Lannister, Stark, Cult, Survivor (each Survivor is a faction of one)

 

The Lannister and Stark factions have two components:

 

House Lannister and House Stark - composed of Lannister and Stark family members (characters from the series) who know and can talk to each other in a House QT

 

and

 

Lannister and Stark Bannermen - who win with a defined faction (the Lannisters or the Starks) but are not a part of the House QT

 

Stark Bannermen are part of the Stark Faction - but they are not a part of House Stark and do not participate in the House Stark QT

 

Lannister Bannermen are part of the Lannister Faction - but they are not a part of House Lannister and do not participate in the House Lannister QT.

 

Savvy?

 

 

He also told me in PM that the families won't know who their bannermen are.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 10:52 PM, Sharrow said:

He also told me in PM that the families won't know who their bannermen are.

Yep.. got the same response.. I've now asked him if bannermen get the names of thier faction members.. which i'd assume yes..

 

 

So basically, jacks lynch was an absolute waste of time..

 

also, as wwwombat said, bannermen don't participate in QT.. and I'm guessing that faction members can't be converted.. I'll ask doggin that.. so yeah, those of us that have outed ourselves as survivors could be a target, unfortunately..

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just heard back, bannermen don't get the names of the faction members.. so they aren't even symps...

 

oh well..looks like this is a wait around to be killed or converted type game :D

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Good god I hate having to read twenty pages in one sitting to catch up.

 

In better news... I had a job interview yesterday... wish me luck!!

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  On 8/16/2011 at 11:25 PM, Naeann said:

Good god I hate having to read twenty pages in one sitting to catch up.

 

In better news... I had a job interview yesterday... wish me luck!!

 

Good luck hope you get it!

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  On 8/16/2011 at 10:52 PM, Sharrow said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 6:15 PM, Kivam said:

There is some (real or feigned) confusion about terminology. I did not intend for the terminology to become an issue in the game, so let me clear it up:

 

Factions are the teams in this game: Lannister, Stark, Cult, Survivor (each Survivor is a faction of one)

 

The Lannister and Stark factions have two components:

 

House Lannister and House Stark - composed of Lannister and Stark family members (characters from the series) who know and can talk to each other in a House QT

 

and

 

Lannister and Stark Bannermen - who win with a defined faction (the Lannisters or the Starks) but are not a part of the House QT

 

Stark Bannermen are part of the Stark Faction - but they are not a part of House Stark and do not participate in the House Stark QT

 

Lannister Bannermen are part of the Lannister Faction - but they are not a part of House Lannister and do not participate in the House Lannister QT.

 

Savvy?

 

 

He also told me in PM that the families won't know who their bannermen are.

 

So its possible that Lannister family just lynched their own without knowing it?

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  On 8/16/2011 at 10:31 PM, the dude said:

They could be running a deke; bring him on, jump on the bandwagon, and look like non-Lannisters in the deal. Just a thought.

 

I was about to say that this is about the best we could hope for with Jack's lynch...

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 10:52 PM, Sharrow said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 6:15 PM, Kivam said:

There is some (real or feigned) confusion about terminology. I did not intend for the terminology to become an issue in the game, so let me clear it up:

 

Factions are the teams in this game: Lannister, Stark, Cult, Survivor (each Survivor is a faction of one)

 

The Lannister and Stark factions have two components:

 

House Lannister and House Stark - composed of Lannister and Stark family members (characters from the series) who know and can talk to each other in a House QT

 

and

 

Lannister and Stark Bannermen - who win with a defined faction (the Lannisters or the Starks) but are not a part of the House QT

 

Stark Bannermen are part of the Stark Faction - but they are not a part of House Stark and do not participate in the House Stark QT

 

Lannister Bannermen are part of the Lannister Faction - but they are not a part of House Lannister and do not participate in the House Lannister QT.

 

Savvy?

 

 

He also told me in PM that the families won't know who their bannermen are.

 

And then it wasn't.

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The last three pages made my head hurt...but only because there wasn't enough snarky lovebites floating about. /endsarcasm

 

First: Jack switched fairly early, IMO. I know he switched for sure after he was all like, "BANNERMEN ARE DIFFERENT FROM FACTION MEMBERZ OMGIMTHEONLYWHOKNOWZTHIZ"; since it seemed the majority of us were throwing up question marks like insane people.

 

I asked Kivam if the Faction knows when a Survivor chooses their Faction. He said No. I asked Kivam if the new Bannerman learns who his Faction teammates are, and he said No. So it's seriously like a giant swirling toilet of chaos.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 10:31 PM, the dude said:

They could be running a deke; bring him on, jump on the bandwagon, and look like non-Lannisters in the deal. Just a thought.

 

As far as I know, they don't have a say in the matter. It's interesting that you would think this, though. Same goes for slats.

 

Worth keeping in mind for tomorrow.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 11:43 PM, Hybrid said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 10:31 PM, the dude said:

They could be running a deke; bring him on, jump on the bandwagon, and look like non-Lannisters in the deal. Just a thought.

 

As far as I know, they don't have a say in the matter. It's interesting that you would think this, though. Same goes for slats.

 

Worth keeping in mind for tomorrow.

 

No it isn't.

 

I was commenting sideways on McApe trying to form cases out of Jack's lynch. Reading along, I thought the dude's idea that Lannisters would jump on Jack's train made more sense to me than the idea of any Lannisters defending him or avoiding the train (which was McApe's grand idea). But that idea was derailed as I continued to read, and found out that survivors turned bannermen don't know the members of their new house, nor do the house members know who they are.

 

So basically I was saying that we got nothing from Jack's lynch - outside of John the Monkey aggressively trying to create something out of it, while simultaneously congratulating himself for casting the 14 votes needed to eliminate a late signing bannerman.

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As far as I know, they don't have a say in the matter. It's interesting that you would think this, though. Same goes for slats.

 

Worth keeping in mind for tomorrow.

 

 

Hey there, Hybrid, how ya doin'?. In fairness, posted that before I knew that everything is pretty anonymous. Dunno, that strategy isn't all that exotic really. Without knowing the mechanism for picking sides and what info is passed between family and bannermen, it's not an unreasonable theory.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 10:13 PM, Lanthirrhos said:

John--You're overplaying Jack's alignment as though it's a great thing that he was lynched--pointless. You may be able to check post history and see if anyone flopped off of him when he changed, but that's not great victory like you are making out. We frankly could look at vote and post history for any old lynch. The only great thing about this lynch is that we removed a third of the love triangle. :tongue:

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 9:22 PM, Hybrid said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:20 PM, CTM said:

You're unbelievable.. you handed us a survivor who switched sides before death in order to still be able to win.. (which was clever and i didn't think of)

 

he now wins with house lannister..

 

taking credit for lynching an innocent like you did something good is probably tops in you're over the top behavior...

 

My vote is for sale tomorrow.. I want to buy a weapon and kill this pig

 

Hm. Lannister?

 

I'm going to ditto this... survivor isn't "innocent". You too are overplaying someone's role as much as John. It's not like all survivors have to be on the same team ultimately. And they certainly aren't right now. This game could go any direction with survivors joining different sides. For example, some may join the side that loses the initial member because they want to be scum. They may have a better chance at winning that way because they can pretend to have flopped to the side with more people. Are you going to know?

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 9:24 PM, Bleedin Green said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:18 PM, John McClane said:

You've really turned into a little bitch. Did anyone else put forth the effort to call that dumbass out on his crap? No. I'm taking credit for putting the time in... we got lucky he was ex-survivor, it means we go into D2 hopefully with a even playing field still.

Serious question: why should anyone who isn't already cult or stark aligned give a crap about Jack's alignment choice?

 

Precisely.

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 9:32 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:24 PM, Bleedin Green said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:18 PM, John McClane said:

You've really turned into a little bitch. Did anyone else put forth the effort to call that dumbass out on his crap? No. I'm taking credit for putting the time in... we got lucky he was ex-survivor, it means we go into D2 hopefully with a even playing field still.

Serious question: why should anyone who isn't already cult or stark aligned give a crap about Jack's alignment choice?

 

My understanding is that its probably best to eliminate one of the 2 families, then hunt Cult. Jack declared an alignment, and in the process could have had people trying to save his butt, if any of those people trying to save his butt leads us to a Lannister - then as an independent survivor, I'd lean towards choosing Stark... which is what people have been saying they wanted to see happen. Have 1 family emerge with a numbers advantage, and then all survivors swing to that family and wipe out the smaller family and cult.

 

This is how I'm looking at it at least... perhaps nobody that defended Jack was Lannister though, but its the best I could extract from D1 given the circumstances.

 

That is culty as hell.

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 9:47 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:43 PM, Red2111 said:

John you are so cultastic!!

 

first you want to eliminate one family and have people declare on thread which faction they choose, then you'r relieved jack was a survivor turned lannister so that the #s are back to normal, and now you jump back to your orignal lets lynch an entire family.

 

 

i think only cult would be feeling the need to do away with one family at the time, since 1 is the lonlest number, even more than 2 and by the OP with Viserys dead my guess is it's only Danny right now.

 

and i think only cult woudl see the benefit in people declaring early honestly when theres no rush.

 

 

my votes for sale as well, so long as it's to hang the stinking LLL.

 

 

I believe CTM suggested similar approach, have all survivors work together and join one family. At least that was how I interpreted what he wrote.

 

Anyway, it makes sense to me - combine all survivors with one family, then it becomes a very small pool to lynch from to kill the cult, I would think.

 

The cult is going to have claim-names, are they not? they can just claim to be survivors who flopped to the numerical side. Are you going to know? Oh god, a catch phrase.

 

 

This is hard to line-by-line answer... but...

 

Overplaying a lynches value when I'm heavily involved in it - something I do, often. Partly to see how people react to me, partly to get on the nerves of all the JN players. Chest thumping was something they all did when I first started playing. I caught on and started doing it louder and more absurdly, and now they are all a bunch of whiners that think chest thumping is bad form. It amuses me poop on their self-love by mocking it with my own.

 

CTM is a doosh, but he's also a smart dude. He's made a number of statements in this game that have been much more short-sighted than I expect from him. The one you point out here is an example of that. He thinks he's smarter than everyone. Actually, everyone from JN thinks they are smarter than everyone... which brings me back to pooping on their self-love. You make a good point here.

 

Culty as hell? I can appreciate that - frankly, I often take the over-complicated long route with my "town" strategies. I thought narrowing the pool to hunt cult from made sense, but wanted to vet it. Any honest JN player would tell you that I have no problem sticking my neck way out with strategies and theories like this, to vet them with the group. Of course, they always think I have a scummy agenda, but sometimes I just look at things from the bottom-up.

 

Not sure how we'd know, again, my assumption is that in my scenario Stark House would know who all the survivors are that join them. Meaning there'd be players that could say, we know as of right now, players X, Y and Z are not cult - leaving us with a smaller lynch pool. It might not work that way, which is why I'm not pushing it, so much as vetting it in night phase. If it doesn't make sense, I won't mention it again tbh.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 10:38 PM, the dude said:
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Outside of a lynch that gave us nothing, what did his chest thumping gain us? In my opinion, much of nothing. You can't say when Jack switched to the Lannisters and you can't connect the dots to any other Lannisters because this is basically a case built on being a leap of faith.

 

It's a fair point. But there were doubtless some useful things said somewhere along the way; it's just finding it that will be the challenge heh. And if there's not definitive info today, things that were said on Day 1 will take on a different light later, possible as early as morning time. There was a lot of unvoting going on there for a while as John (somehow) swayed folks over to his way of thinking.

 

Okay, that's how you do it, isn't it, McClane? You basically yammer at people until they slip up. I've been off of here so long that I'm bacically a newbie; does it work? Sincere question, not a dig.

 

Occasionally yes, I did start off defending myself to Jack. I've played about 3-4 games with him where we've done this. Once he's been removed from teh game, I settled down and the blather and prickliness will level out. I can assure you.

 

In this particular case, I started really yammering at Jack AFTER he slipped up, but yeah, that's the "Ape mode" that I try to employ at times. CTM has actually gone on record in saying it helps him, when I play that way. Others find it amusing, and it infuriates some. Most of you are new to me, and I've been trying to trend away from Ape mode, so I have no intentions of carrying on further like that... not at that volume.

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