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  On 8/16/2011 at 5:52 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 5:45 PM, WWWwombat said:

Just caught up and I think the case on Jack is trumped up to the extreme but then again it's day one so what do you expect? Like CTM, I read Jack's now infamous statement as a strategic/pragmatic judgment rather than a literal statement of win condition. The fact that the Ape has conjured a case out of nothing and is being supported by a select few on it means we get good info from lynching the Ape imo. If Ape flips Stark or Lannister or one of their bannermen, then we need to look at Adella, Far, and anyone else who is strongly supporting the Ape's case on Jack.

 

Wrong way to play it... when I flip Survivor what is your plan?

 

Eat my hat and lynch Jack?

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heheh....too funny. If I still hung out around here, I'd totally be crushing on John. He's so mean and SG-like. ;)

 

That is also the quote I'm using for my case. DS has the win conditions completely wrong, and the whole "Bannerman" crap is just crap. Once a Survivor chooses a Faction, they are part of that Faction, and their win conditions change to that of the Faction. There is no weird 'difference' he is hinting at.

 

And how do we get MORE info from lynching John than we do Jack, Wombat? I have been saying all along that Jack is either Faction or Cult, and I know I'm going to be right. Are you just dreading the big fat I told you so post I'm going to make when it happens? :biggrin:

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@Far, no I was meaning if you don't join a faction, you die or win alone. When you join a faction the faction you join becomes "th town" and thus as a townie yo won with te town. If your a survivor, you win by yourself and if your lynched you have no shot in winning regardless. The cult wil always be the cult an a third party, but which side you joins determines which side is scum for you.

 

@Adella, please enlighten me how we are going to sift through 26 players day 1 and find the CL, that's what's idiotic. You have no way to test for the CL and beating your chest and being the champion for an idea you can't back or put in motion is a waste of time.

 

@Alys I'm not cult. Are you?

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  On 8/16/2011 at 5:45 PM, WWWwombat said:

Just caught up and I think the case on Jack is trumped up to the extreme but then again it's day one so what do you expect? Like CTM, I read Jack's now infamous statement as a strategic/pragmatic judgment rather than a literal statement of win condition. The fact that the Ape has conjured a case out of nothing and is being supported by a select few on it means we get good info from lynching the Ape imo. If Ape flips Stark or Lannister or one of their bannermen, then we need to look at Adella, Far, and anyone else who is strongly supporting the Ape's case on Jack.

 

I think if we lynch Jack and McApe back-to-back, Kivam declares the rest of winners and the game ends.

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 5:50 PM, Pac said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 5:41 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 5:35 PM, Pac said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 5:17 PM, John McClane said:

I think I milked it for what its worth on D1. It's only valuable info on D1 tbh, the minute a survivor becomes a faction member or cult member, they will share with those alignments what I've been with-holding. So its not a huge deal to open up about it now... we had a few people tip their hands, I don't think anyone else would have.

 

Thank you for the veritable cornucopia of info you've given us Mccvain. Once again you've outsmarted us all... Intentionally acting like a rabid baboon to elicit "informative" responses for the benefit of the town. So selfless...

 

Or maybe you were just acting like your normal dooshy self?

 

 

Riddle me this ignoramus. If Jack isn't a survivor how did he know that he has the ability to join either faction?

 

I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

 

 

Are you serious? Its in the opening scene you dope... call me stupid some more.

 

 

Congratulations.. you've passed the first test. A few more and I'll consider unvoting for you.

 

Another strong reason to get rep up and running on this site.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 5:57 PM, Far Dareis Mai said:

heheh....too funny. If I still hung out around here, I'd totally be crushing on John. He's so mean and SG-like. ;)

 

That is also the quote I'm using for my case. DS has the win conditions completely wrong, and the whole "Bannerman" crap is just crap. Once a Survivor chooses a Faction, they are part of that Faction, and their win conditions change to that of the Faction. There is no weird 'difference' he is hinting at.

 

And how do we get MORE info from lynching John than we do Jack, Wombat? I have been saying all along that Jack is either Faction or Cult, and I know I'm going to be right. Are you just dreading the big fat I told you so post I'm going to make when it happens? :biggrin:

 

Are you saying that Kivam told you that Survivors who swear fealty become faction members and not Bannermen?

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off topic:

 

Anyone else having problems with this site? My normally extremely reliable Mac + Firefox combo has locked up a couple times on me this morning. Only real difference for me is the refreshing of this page. :unsure:

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Also, what is the practical difference between faction members and Bannermen? Kivam has made a point of making a distinction so I would assume there would be one.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 5:50 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 5:42 PM, The Crusher said:

Really? I'd like to see that.

 

 

Bumped for Crusher, even though I'd already quoted this post by Jack multiple times and my case is based on this statement in it... I can totally understand how fat and lazy could completely miss it to the point where I need to go bump it for him, and he could vote me... while skimming and ignoring the actual points being made... :rolleyes:

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:10 PM, Jack_D said:

Yes I'm going to join a faction. That's how you win. You win together or die alone. And now your voting me for the same reason I'm voting you. To kill a potential threat, or eliminate a member of a team thus influencing my choice of team I'd chose.

 

By siding with someone ape you don't become one of them, you become a banmerman. There is a difference

 

 

Lazy? Eat my banana monkey (if you got time to look)

 

 

I meant I wanted to go back and SEE it. I did too.. Interesting little exchange. Funny how Jack was saying he was defending you and pushing your train.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 6:03 PM, slats said:

off topic:

 

Anyone else having problems with this site? My normally extremely reliable Mac + Firefox combo has locked up a couple times on me this morning. Only real difference for me is the refreshing of this page. :unsure:

 

No problems here, but I am using PC + Chrome.

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@John you keep pushing survivors can win when it's just them and either the Starks or Lannisters left. You neglect to mention that if a survivor doesn't chose sides and is lynched they lose without possibility of winning. I doubt people will volunteer to be lynch fodder without at least a chance of winning. And since you suggest cult hunt, the only way to do so is effectively is to lynch players. So players will chose a faction before they are lynched. O doubt there will be many survivors left past day 3. Just saying

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  On 8/16/2011 at 6:00 PM, Jack_D said:

@Far, there is a difference.

 

Perhaps there is, but its not explained in the Survivor role PM. I'm thinking you are part of a faction or cult already, and were informed of how things work from your side... giving you enough info to feign a survivor role. There really was NO reason whatsoever for you to out yourself as a survivor.

 

Perhaps Cultist know they can convert survivors more easily, so you put yourself out there to identify easy conversions? Speculating is meh... I'd like to give you credit for having an agenda other than slop though.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 5:58 PM, Jack_D said:

@Far, no I was meaning if you don't join a faction, you die or win alone. When you join a faction the faction you join becomes "th town" and thus as a townie yo won with te town. If your a survivor, you win by yourself and if your lynched you have no shot in winning regardless. The cult wil always be the cult an a third party, but which side you joins determines which side is scum for you.

 

@Adella, please enlighten me how we are going to sift through 26 players day 1 and find the CL, that's what's idiotic. You have no way to test for the CL and beating your chest and being the champion for an idea you can't back or put in motion is a waste of time.

 

@Alys I'm not cult. Are you?

 

Yeah, and you are wrong. As a survivor you win whether or not you join a Faction--just so long as all the Cult is eliminated and either the Lannisters or the Starks win. It doesn't matter which. Besides, you only have so much time to choose a Faction anyway, and then you have to play solo. So...like...are you still going to sit there and tell me you are a Survivor, when you are completely making crap up about Survivor win conditions and even their role in this game?

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  On 8/16/2011 at 6:08 PM, Jack_D said:

@John you keep pushing survivors can win when it's just them and either the Starks or Lannisters left. You neglect to mention that if a survivor doesn't chose sides and is lynched they lose without possibility of winning. I doubt people will volunteer to be lynch fodder without at least a chance of winning. And since you suggest cult hunt, the only way to do so is effectively is to lynch players. So players will chose a faction before they are lynched. O doubt there will be many survivors left past day 3. Just saying

 

Hahaha... oh gawd. Yeah, I neglected to mention that... all part of my devious plan.

 

Kill this freak show already.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 6:10 PM, Far Dareis Mai said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 5:58 PM, Jack_D said:

@Far, no I was meaning if you don't join a faction, you die or win alone. When you join a faction the faction you join becomes "th town" and thus as a townie yo won with te town. If your a survivor, you win by yourself and if your lynched you have no shot in winning regardless. The cult wil always be the cult an a third party, but which side you joins determines which side is scum for you.

 

@Adella, please enlighten me how we are going to sift through 26 players day 1 and find the CL, that's what's idiotic. You have no way to test for the CL and beating your chest and being the champion for an idea you can't back or put in motion is a waste of time.

 

@Alys I'm not cult. Are you?

 

Yeah, and you are wrong. As a survivor you win whether or not you join a Faction--just so long as all the Cult is eliminated and either the Lannisters or the Starks win. It doesn't matter which. Besides, you only have so much time to choose a Faction anyway, and then you have to play solo. So...like...are you still going to sit there and tell me you are a Survivor, when you are completely making crap up about Survivor win conditions and even their role in this game?

 

 

This.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 6:08 PM, Jack_D said:

@John you keep pushing survivors can win when it's just them and either the Starks or Lannisters left. You neglect to mention that if a survivor doesn't chose sides and is lynched they lose without possibility of winning. I doubt people will volunteer to be lynch fodder without at least a chance of winning. And since you suggest cult hunt, the only way to do so is effectively is to lynch players. So players will chose a faction before they are lynched. O doubt there will be many survivors left past day 3. Just saying

 

Perhaps, but the Survivor role comes with its own perks, that some people may not be willing to give up.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 5:57 PM, Far Dareis Mai said:

heheh....too funny. If I still hung out around here, I'd totally be crushing on John. He's so mean and SG-like. ;)

 

That is also the quote I'm using for my case. DS has the win conditions completely wrong, and the whole "Bannerman" crap is just crap. Once a Survivor chooses a Faction, they are part of that Faction, and their win conditions change to that of the Faction. There is no weird 'difference' he is hinting at.

 

And how do we get MORE info from lynching John than we do Jack, Wombat? I have been saying all along that Jack is either Faction or Cult, and I know I'm going to be right. Are you just dreading the big fat I told you so post I'm going to make when it happens? :biggrin:

 

just for clarification cause it's bugging me, who do you mean by "DS" cause i only know two DS's, one is playing as jack and the other isn't playing at all.

Posted
  On 8/16/2011 at 6:05 PM, The Crusher said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 5:50 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 5:42 PM, The Crusher said:

Really? I'd like to see that.

 

 

Bumped for Crusher, even though I'd already quoted this post by Jack multiple times and my case is based on this statement in it... I can totally understand how fat and lazy could completely miss it to the point where I need to go bump it for him, and he could vote me... while skimming and ignoring the actual points being made... :rolleyes:

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:10 PM, Jack_D said:

Yes I'm going to join a faction. That's how you win. You win together or die alone. And now your voting me for the same reason I'm voting you. To kill a potential threat, or eliminate a member of a team thus influencing my choice of team I'd chose.

 

By siding with someone ape you don't become one of them, you become a banmerman. There is a difference

 

 

Lazy? Eat my banana monkey (if you got time to look)

 

 

I meant I wanted to go back and SEE it. I did too.. Interesting little exchange. Funny how Jack was saying he was defending you and pushing your train.

 

Precisely, he voted me and pushed my train to anyone who would listen... but then cried victim when I defended myself to him. It wasn't until he slipped about survivor win conditions that I formed a case on him and voted him.

Posted
  On 8/16/2011 at 6:13 PM, Far Dareis Mai said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 6:08 PM, Jack_D said:

@John you keep pushing survivors can win when it's just them and either the Starks or Lannisters left. You neglect to mention that if a survivor doesn't chose sides and is lynched they lose without possibility of winning. I doubt people will volunteer to be lynch fodder without at least a chance of winning. And since you suggest cult hunt, the only way to do so is effectively is to lynch players. So players will chose a faction before they are lynched. O doubt there will be many survivors left past day 3. Just saying

 

Perhaps, but the Survivor role comes with its own perks, that some people may not be willing to give up.

 

Only has one, and you can buy it when you get enOugh money.

Posted

There is some (real or feigned) confusion about terminology. I did not intend for the terminology to become an issue in the game, so let me clear it up:

 

Factions are the teams in this game: Lannister, Stark, Cult, Survivor (each Survivor is a faction of one)

 

The Lannister and Stark factions have two components:

 

House Lannister and House Stark - composed of Lannister and Stark family members (characters from the series) who know and can talk to each other in a House QT

 

and

 

Lannister and Stark Bannermen - who win with a defined faction (the Lannisters or the Starks) but are not a part of the House QT

 

Stark Bannermen are part of the Stark Faction - but they are not a part of House Stark and do not participate in the House Stark QT

 

Lannister Bannermen are part of the Lannister Faction - but they are not a part of House Lannister and do not participate in the House Lannister QT.

 

Savvy?

Posted
  On 8/16/2011 at 6:11 PM, Jack_D said:

Never said I was defending Ape, crusher. I said I was defending my vote

 

 

That's cool Jack. This just seemed like it to me.

 

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 12:42 PM, Jack_D said:

I have only defended John and laid out ideas for playing this game. It's not bad logic, you said it was practical but to easy and notreally playing. So which is it? If you give me a viable strategy to cult hunt then I'm game. But just saying we need to and coming at me for how I think the game

Needs to be played is getting nothing done. You've yet to say why the cult is even a threat to anyone but the two opposing factions. Your playing like you've got a faction agenda and one faction needs to be eliminated just as

Much as the cult does.

Posted
  On 8/16/2011 at 4:53 PM, Vicious89x said:

Fighting off JohnDenver. Honestly sometimes that board gets to be too much for me.

I hear you on that one. This offseason has been the worst I've ever seen that place. I might be easing back from that place for a while, especially after today's little encounter I had over there.

Posted

Missed a comma. It was supposed to read like this. "I've only defended, John. I was addressing the apeman.

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