[Advanced] Monty Python and the Holy Grail Mafia (Game Over)

[Sedai]

  On 6/28/2011 at 11:00 PM, bgrishinko said:

  On 6/28/2011 at 10:48 PM, Graendals favourite said:

One of the reasons to name drop without giving reasons would be to see who will jump at me for it.

 

Fair enough. But I'd still like to hear your reasoning about Moon, Min, and Jack as you are simply trying to turn it back around and avoid the observations I presented.

 

You presented? I'm pretty sure I said his posts looked like filler posts and I wanted a reason. Then he came forward admitting he doesn't have a reason. 

 

BTW BG why are you still down to lynch me? You have yet to say why I'm scummy. You keep saying I'm scummy but you like a lot of others give no reason

[Sedai]

  On 6/28/2011 at 10:16 PM, Sakaea said:

Ok, I'd like to hear from Moon, GF, Tina, and Player. They haven't been as active as the rest of us, and until they post something of substance, that's pretty much my shortlist on possible scum (for now).

 

So they are scummy for not posting as much? That's weak reasoning. It's some people's play style to post less. Some people just don't have the time. Activity is a poor reason to say someone is scum. 

 

@Charis in referendum to post #724: 

 

1) I knew you were a girl

2) Red's PR to me is the least believable. She won't admit it out of the four people who have had one and admitted it. Hers has continued where everyone that has had one has only been for certain phases. I think it's a fake

3) Min's PR seems to be one to alleviate suspicion off of red by making it seem she was being set up

4) I believe the wombat the most because I was silenced. And I wasn't given a reason

5) Moon's silence is the least believable because I was silenced and I wasn't informed I was turned into a newt

 

Charis, if you'd read my post earlier, post #689 you'd see my thought process on you and how I've come to different decisions that Ive made. 

-also how else would you expect me to derail my train. I had to point out the flawed reasons people were voting me. It wasn't lashing out, merely pointing out why I should be alive, based on people's own reasons for voting me. 

-The only people I lashed out against really was Red (the champion of my lynch) csarmi (it felt like he was taking a grudge from another game to far and his dislike for me was affecting his judgement, and you (because again, Red and I were in a heated argument and then you jumped in to, as it seemed, alleviate some pressure I was applying to red, and to bring yourself into the forefront for some other reason)

 

@Charis I don't think your above replying to. So anytime any actions of mine give you question or you want clarification on something I'm doing or why I'm doing something let me know. Or if I say something that bothers you let me know. This game doesn't have need to be the Jack and Charis show and I don't want to hurt the game by making it into that. I've said everything I can about you and you have said everything you can about me so let's move on. 

 

***As of the post where Charis wrote in blue about her preparing for a speech Red is still my top suspect***

 

***Moon is second***

[Sedai]

Red retraces her statement of my voting and I believe her so I take back my statement calling her scummy for making something out of nothing

 

 

Making a note of being correct. Red is using her not answering about her PR to try and back out of suspicion 

 

Also moon, I wasn't instructing people how to play. I was pushing situations that are likely going to happen to make Min's comment about being afraid look like a scummy post because it looked scummy to me. I'm pretty sure that's not being a jerk

 

  On 6/29/2011 at 4:33 PM, trench said:

I think Berf makes some good points. After the back and forth with Red and Jack yesterday, I have to say I don't trust either of them. It could be one of many difrfent ploys but one of them is most likely mafia. I am reluctant to vote for someone who can not defend themselves, so I am willing to Vote Red at this point. If they are on a team and working together, then they deserve some kind of prize. Their back and forth was a complete distraction, whether innocent or scum, knowing their alliagnments will help straiten out where we should go after.

 

Vote Red

 

Posts like that make me believe Red might be innocent. I don't like the fact you set it up so if Red is town I'm scum or if Red's scum I'm town. Our innocence or guilt should be based on evidence and not "they went after each other so one of them has to be correct." because the simple fact is we can also both be wrong. 

[Sedai]

quote name='Sakaea' timestamp='1309369055' post='1868699']

Ok, now I really think think we should focus elsewhere.

 

Who replaced Nyn? I can't find it. And I would like to hear from AJ.

 

Sakea wasn't a hard sale on Red's innocence. His ease to believe her is troubling

 

  On 6/29/2011 at 5:53 PM, Graendals favourite said:

I half way read and thought the thread, but only half way. The Min behaviour is mainly on the bandwagon, and getting of it. It might be nothing, but it remains in mind. I'll vote moon, the same reasons as before. I think Red rings true. We should start hitting scum soon. Too bad we didn't get to know whether Jack was scum, but perhaps he is not. I wonder if there could be something creepy about Alanna?

 

BG, that list was my official list of voting, I think logically followed through with thusfar. I am merely hesitant about giving too many reasons, when things are uncertain. Things might turn out being stood on their head.

 

What does Red ring true about? General statements without reason makes you look like your trying to alleviate pressure. 

[Sedai]

  On 6/29/2011 at 8:28 PM, Sakaea said:

  On 6/29/2011 at 7:06 PM, WWWwombat said:

Vote: Red

 

She stinks and even if she's telling the truth, we only lose a vanilla.  Red, why did you try this Black Knight nonsense if you are Dennis the Digger?  You are acting very anti-town this game.

 

Bolding mine. Any town loss is bad. This comment reeks of scum to me. FOS Wombat.

 

Key, do you not remember Dennis the Digger?

 

Nah if we have to lose a townie vanilla is acceptable. And it isn't that major of a deal. It's like buying a scratch off lottery ticket and Winning your money back. You don't win anything but you don't really lose

- I was just on the wiki. It's Dennis the peasant not Dennis the Digger

[Sedai]

  On 6/29/2011 at 9:37 PM, dapianoplay3r said:

I think that Vote Red will be the way to go.

Im not too sure that moon will give us what we need yet but Red will be a vast wealth of info

 

What info will yo receive? Why are you all of a sudden okay with a red lynch? Opportunistic bandwagon vote thy name is player. 

 

  On 6/29/2011 at 10:47 PM, Red2111 said:

*Red laughs as she gest a pile of mud ready for her cart*

 

Listen, strange wemon layin in ponds, distributing swords is not the basis for a system of government.  Supreme executive power arises from the masses, not som farcical aquatice ceremony!

 

 

Min - i thought you were talking to me.

 

 

  On 6/29/2011 at 9:37 PM, dapianoplay3r said:

I think that Vote Red will be the way to go.

Im not too sure that moon will give us what we need yet but Red will be a vast wealth of info

 

what do you mean by the underlined portion player?  either Moon is scum or not, and if she's scum i think thats a good reason in itself to lynch her.  afterall, one scum down means one less to deal with when the numbers are fewer.

 

 

  On 6/29/2011 at 9:43 PM, Christine said:

Red - Jack being silenced?  It's too obvious of Red.  It's like people want to point fingers at her.

 

 

So, I am thinking my vote list for today is Red, AJ, Moon.... going to see how this plays out, but those three are on the radar.

 

 

so let me get this striaght.  you think i'm being set up with Jack being silenced, yet i'm first on your short list.

 

 

 

can i just point out these three things

 

1. majority thought Moon was scummy yet silencing saved her from the Day 2 lynch.

 

2. Majority think Jack is scummy, yet a Silencing is saving him from a Day 3 lynch.

 

3. A few people have said Moons claim sounds fishy, and doubt that theres a 2nd Silencer out there.

 

please tell me someone else see's a pattern here.

 

I like this post. It seems very town and not scummy. I dont have an extreme scum read on you anymore. I still have a scum vibe but I'm not as certain. 

[Sedai]

  On 6/29/2011 at 11:51 PM, Red2111 said:

mothers milk in a cup with a flamming goat herder on the side.  this is why i hate gettign online at the house, the connection is slower and it keeps cutting out on me.  flamming heat!  sorry had to get that off my chest, have lost connection whil typing this up 3 times now   

 

*Red picks up a huge mud pie and flings it into her cart*  You can't expect to weild supreme executive power just cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!

 

 

 

Krak - could you clarify is Sir Robin is CS?

 

Min - i'm glad we've come to an understanding, but i'm comfy leaving my vote where it is for the rest of today  

 

 

Sakaea - i think Chrissy's question is a bit odd too.  but i can see why Womby woudl FoS you also.

 

Even though you Won't admit it I'd say you probably had a post restriction to vote for min. Your flippant change of movie character possible PRs honestly really bothers me. Like I said the wiki doesn't call him a digger it calls him just a peasant. From my role pm yours just doesn't correlate with my own, but it could be a character difference as

I have said I don't know the source matterial. 

 

Sakea backing you up, and his whole even a vanilla townie speal is weird. So that adds to my suspicion. 

[Sedai]

  On 6/30/2011 at 12:40 AM, bgrishinko said:

  On 6/30/2011 at 12:20 AM, ineedfourberfs said:

Who is Red, then, Min? Or at least something in the way of tangible evidence... Even an opinion...

 

 

Because I see no pattern, and nothing short of proof will convince me that Red isn't mafia.

 

 

 

  On 6/29/2011 at 5:02 PM, Red2111 said:

ignoring poss again berf??  i did respond to you, in my first post today i might add

 

  On 6/29/2011 at 1:04 PM, Red2111 said:

berf, you left one thing out of that equation.  if Jack is scum and silenced, then it allows the heat to cool off him, gives him a Lynch Free card and another day to live while allowing his other team mates to bring other people to the for-ground and allow all the heat that he gained to simmer down.   it also sets me up nicely.

 

 

Your reply was in post 731, responding to 730 which was mine.

 

Post 735 has yet to receive an answer or a response.

 

 

I beleive you know this, and are deliberately trying to sow more confusion by responding to wrong posts and attempting to minimize my claims against you. 

 

I also believe that if you had any tiny shred of a defense, you would be speaking up far louder against my claims, as oppsoed to trying to ignore them.

 

 

 

To anyone on the edge, read my two posts linked above. I think they are very convincing arguments. I beleive this game will get a lot easier with Red out of the way leading us all on a merry dance. 

 

I beleive red is L4 at the moment?

 

You made supurb points about Red berf, specifically why Red or Jack need to be mafia. But this Min/Red thing + Jack's-edited-posts has me second guessing. I don't know what to think, so I'm going with Moon for now.

 

This post is top 5 in my "something's not right here." posts. Either red or myself need to be mafia? That's scummy my friend. Not only your wording of need but the general idea. She thinks I'm scummy I think she's scummy. One of us could be right or both of us could be wrong. I don't like it. That looked like an amateur set up. 

[Sedai]

  On 6/30/2011 at 1:10 AM, Graendals favourite said:

I think since we're all aware of Red, she is less of a potential threat. We can always lynch her. Also, the apparent newting of Jack rang to me as a 90% confirmation she was innocent, though I do have beer in front of me. Still, I bet either the red or moon voters feature mafia members for sure this time.

 

I wasn't newted just silenced. That seems like a pretty big slip. You must be the newter. If your on a team with Moon she could fake claim she was newted without seeing the pm. When I was silenced I wasn't aware I had become a newt

 

****top suspects up to now****

 

1.BG

2. GF

[Sedai]

  On 6/30/2011 at 4:30 AM, WWWwombat said:

Obviously it is bad to lose any townie but early in the game, lynching a vanilla townie is pretty much par for the course.  Therefore, getting upset at the possibility of losing vanilla townies either shows unreasonable expectations, or an overly strong desire to look town.  Often, the people trying the hardest to look town are the scum.  This is why Sakaea is scummy for FoSing me.

 

^this

 

  On 6/30/2011 at 12:19 PM, TinaHel said:

  On 6/30/2011 at 3:52 AM, Christine said:

Christine's Unofficial Vote Count

 

Min (1) - Red

Moon (5) - Tina, Sak, GF, Wombat, Min

Red (8) - Berf, Moon, Tiinker, Trench, Kill, Key, Piano, BG

 

23 Alive, 12 to Lynch, 14 Voting

 

 

That being said, over half of the current people alive are voting, and our votes are pretty evenly split.  People keep going back and forth between Red and Moon, whether because of band wagoning or trying to have a controlled lynch today, I don't know.  

 

Someone mentioned that one of the two is most likely scum, and I have to agree.  More than likely, if we lynch one and they flip town, the people that voted for them are mafia.  If they flip mafia, then the votes on the other person is the mafia.  But of course, this means that there is probably innocents mixed in.

 

 

With this reasoning, at this point it makes me think that Red is the innocent, since there is more people on her, as more than likely that's the mafia team and a few innocents.  It is probably the people that haven't been flipping too.  Going to guess the flippers are the innocents.

 

Combining that reasoning with the fact that I really just don't see there being two silencers, and that only one person has turned up silenced today, I am going to say  Vote Moon.

 

 

So, 6 Moon, 8 Red

 

Isn´t this a strange post? What does the first part mean? If we lynch Red and she is town then all who voted for her are mafia, except for some of them who are town? And the same goes if we lynch Moon and she is town then all who voted for her are mafia, except for some of them who are town. lol. 

 

And it get´s even funnier when you say you vote Moon cos Red has most votes and thereby the mafia team is on her lynch. So by this logic, if Moon will have more votes on her than Red you will then change your vote to Red? 

 

Your second last post was also very weired. Big FOS on you, Christine.

 

 

I thought Berf made a good case and I see why some follow him. I can see a possibility that both Red and Jack could be town though. Mafia silence Jack. Everyone blame Red. She turns up town and then everyone goes after Jack again and lynch him too. But as Berf said it would probably be easier for mafia just to step back and let them continue the argument wich would in the end lead to the same thing. First a lynch on one and when she/he turns up town then lynch the other one. 

 

We have some claims today. Red say she is Dennis the Digger. Well she is Dennis today anyway if we should go by her posting. It did look like she was King Arthur day one and the Black Knight day 2. Why does her roll change every day? How could we trust her? Min says she has figured out who Red is and hint on a PR since she says we shouldn´t vote Red. I may be a bit stupid but I don´t get it at all. And I don´t know what roll Min might have. The only things that seems clear is that they have to vote one another certain days. 

 

(Sakaea suddenly changed her vote to Moon after Red said she was vanilla. It seems like she and Christine is out to rescue Red.)

 

And Moon makes a half reviel hinting she is "servant of the Knights". So we have two players who has majority of votes on them and we got hints about their rolls. 

 

Moons only "defens" so far is the half reviel so I´m sticking to my vote on her. I´m more then willing to listen to the rest of you though. My head is just spinning...

 

Very well written and thought out post. In fact you and I are on the same wavelength. Christine went from 0 to 60 really fast. I'm really starting yo look at her now. 

[Sedai]

  On 6/30/2011 at 11:14 PM, trench said:

I am willing to move my vote to Moon. I think Red has defended herself more convincingly then Moon. Unvote Vote Moon

 

Red never really defended. All she did was say she's vanilla, I'm a symp, anyone who believes me is scummy and she still isn't clarifying her PR. Yeah iron clad. That's not attesting to Red's alignment just that there has been no real defense.

[Sedai]

So that's my breakdown. And I love Berf

[keyholder21]

  On 7/1/2011 at 2:54 AM, Jack_D said:

First or all that was an amateur hour set up. Please killing csarmi, the one player who I believe just generally dislikes me was cheap. Next of all I believe wombat's silence more because I wasn't turned into a newt

 

On another note. If I were mafia then I'd know I was silenced by the mafia silencer. I wouldn't have posted and then deleted my posts. Just saying. 

 

  On 6/28/2011 at 9:28 PM, keyholder21 said:

  On 6/28/2011 at 8:38 PM, Jack_D said:

.

 

 

  On 6/28/2011 at 8:40 PM, Jack_D said:

.

 

 

  On 6/28/2011 at 8:48 PM, Jack_D said:

.

 

 

Phone messing up Jack?

 

  On 6/28/2011 at 9:04 PM, csarmi said:

*Csarmi moves his left foot.

 

lol, nice.  Adios Sir Robin.

 

Key. Don't remember saying I was on my phone. I told the mod via pm but I don't think I ever stated it. That's interesting that you would know that. 

 

You'd complained about your phone in the Aiel game, so I figured it was the same thing here.

 

 

I also find GF suspicious - I mentioned his? her? choice of the word 'newting' earlier in the game.

[Sedai]

I remembered the aiel thing but I didn't want to adulter my thought process so I left it. Well player never played the aiel game so he would have no idea. What's your oppinion on that?

[bgrishinko]

Jack's Back and he comes out swinging! I'll make some quick responses regarding posts where you addressed me specifically.

  On 7/1/2011 at 2:56 AM, Jack_D said:

  On 6/28/2011 at 11:00 PM, bgrishinko said:

  On 6/28/2011 at 10:48 PM, Graendals favourite said:

One of the reasons to name drop without giving reasons would be to see who will jump at me for it.

 

Fair enough. But I'd still like to hear your reasoning about Moon, Min, and Jack as you are simply trying to turn it back around and avoid the observations I presented.

 

You presented? I'm pretty sure I said his posts looked like filler posts and I wanted a reason. Then he came forward admitting he doesn't have a reason.

 

BTW BG why are you still down to lynch me? You have yet to say why I'm scummy. You keep saying I'm scummy but you like a lot of others give no reason

 

Concerning GF. Yes, I presented. Last night. Him admitting he didn't have a reason didn't really fly with me when following his train of thought along the posts I quoted earlier. Seemed odd, and I tend to vote when I want someone to explain themselves better.

Concerning reasons to lynch Jack... I thought I had given reasons, but possibly didn't or I wasn't clear. We didn't have a lot of options at the time, but your laser focus on facts I (and many others) felt were unimportant pinged me pretty hard. Look around page 21 for reference and my explanation.

 

 

 

 

  On 7/1/2011 at 3:10 AM, Jack_D said:

  On 6/30/2011 at 12:40 AM, bgrishinko said:

  On 6/30/2011 at 12:20 AM, ineedfourberfs said:

Who is Red, then, Min? Or at least something in the way of tangible evidence... Even an opinion...

 

Because I see no pattern, and nothing short of proof will convince me that Red isn't mafia.

 

  On 6/29/2011 at 5:02 PM, Red2111 said:

ignoring poss again berf?? i did respond to you, in my first post today i might add

 

  On 6/29/2011 at 1:04 PM, Red2111 said:

berf, you left one thing out of that equation. if Jack is scum and silenced, then it allows the heat to cool off him, gives him a Lynch Free card and another day to live while allowing his other team mates to bring other people to the for-ground and allow all the heat that he gained to simmer down. it also sets me up nicely.

 

 

Your reply was in post 731, responding to 730 which was mine.

 

Post 735 has yet to receive an answer or a response.

 

 

I beleive you know this, and are deliberately trying to sow more confusion by responding to wrong posts and attempting to minimize my claims against you.

 

I also believe that if you had any tiny shred of a defense, you would be speaking up far louder against my claims, as oppsoed to trying to ignore them.

 

 

 

To anyone on the edge, read my two posts linked above. I think they are very convincing arguments. I beleive this game will get a lot easier with Red out of the way leading us all on a merry dance.

 

I beleive red is L4 at the moment?

 

You made supurb points about Red berf, specifically why Red or Jack need to be mafia. But this Min/Red thing + Jack's-edited-posts has me second guessing. I don't know what to think, so I'm going with Moon for now.

 

This post is top 5 in my "something's not right here." posts. Either red or myself need to be mafia? That's scummy my friend. Not only your wording of need but the general idea. She thinks I'm scummy I think she's scummy. One of us could be right or both of us could be wrong. I don't like it. That looked like an amateur set up.

 

Uh... You call me extremely scummy for supposing and agreeing with Berf's argument. I'll have you know I wasn't the one who came up with the theory that either you or Red was mafia. But you know that already, just for record keeping purposes, I'll post it below.

 

  On 6/29/2011 at 12:03 PM, ineedfourberfs said:

  On 6/29/2011 at 3:47 AM, Alanna said:

He was likely silenced, which explains his deleted posts. If he posted before getting a PM informing him he was supposed to be silenced.

 

 

The above is regarding Jack.

 

I cannot agree more. Consider:

 

If he is silenced, then has to go back and delete posts, after being nudged by mod to inform him he is silenced. Easy.

 

If he is faking a silence, then he would be modkilled for editing, as against the rules.

 

 

So, we can safely assume he has been silenced. This leads us in two directions:

 

A) He is town, and has been silenced for getting too close to the truth, or just to let the mafia run the game for this day. Let's face it, he puts cases on people, he makes people tick, the mafia don't want live wires like that running about, ESPECIALLY if there are newb mafia who will leap to anothers defense unheeded *cough MOON cough*

 

B) He is mafia, and catching too much flak, so they silence him to let the heat cool.

 

I am leaning towards the first. A few reasons:

 

Having Jack quiet means the heat from yesterday will roll on, and he will be unable to oppose a lynch building on him.

He is a case building terrier, and having him shut up will let others (See: Mafia) dictate the tempo more

I kinda lean toward him being town anyway.

 

If he is mafia, silencing him leaves the only targets as Red and Moon, more or less, short of manufacturing new cases today, so far of which I havn't seen any. An interesting choice, indeed. I cant quite make out what this means for the above mentioned two.

 

If RED is mafia, and JACK is town, silencing him makes perfect sense as he is RED's main antagonist.

If RED is town, and JACK is mafia, it doesn't make a lot of sense as mentioned above, it takes out thier main ANTI-RED proponent.

 

Here it gets tricky.

 

If RED is mafia, and JACK is mafia, this is a handy way to shut down the slightly hinted at gambit, which may have grown beyond thier control. I find it interesting that Red is saying she is ignoring Jack, and yet the war continues. However the battle has been acerbic, and very close to coming to the Hammer, so I tend to not think this is the case.

 

If RED is town, and JACK is town, why would the mafia stop this crazy melee when it is doing such a good job of confusing the buggery out of all and sundry? I do not think this is the case.

 

CONCLUSSION:

 

Red or Jack ARE mafia.

 

*dum dum dummmmmm*

So you are suspicious of me for agreeing with this. I wouldn't take too much issue with that, but then I'd expect that you'd have a problem with Berf's argument since that is why you find me scummy.

 

 

 

  On 7/1/2011 at 3:18 AM, Jack_D said:

So that's my breakdown. And I love Berf

 

But it appears you are pretty happy with Berf. So You love Berf, but I am extremely suspicious for agreeing with and reiterating something Berf said. I don't get it. Why isn't Berf scummy and I am?

 

[Sedai]

I missed it. Yeah I'm suspicious of that general theory so Berf is noted. I lOve berf for his breakdown of me and what if I were vanilla.

 

BG, also my laser focus brought us a symp. So it works.

[bgrishinko]

Just thought that not everyone's page 21 was the same, so it's around Post #418 and before.

[bgrishinko]

  On 7/1/2011 at 4:07 AM, Jack_D said:

I missed it. Yeah I'm suspicious of that general theory so Berf is noted. I lOve berf for his breakdown of me and what if I were vanilla.

 

BG, also my laser focus brought us a symp. So it works.

 

Its a legitimate play style and don't mind it. But I was referencing the Red's PR focus. Seemed like a distraction to me at the time.

[Sedai]

No it wasn't a distraction it was general curiosity and the reasons I wanted to know where my actual reasons

[Graendals favourite]

I just find the word newt more fun than silence.

[dapianoplay3r]

  On 7/1/2011 at 2:55 AM, Jack_D said:

  On 6/29/2011 at 12:47 AM, dapianoplay3r said:

Tracker is someone who sees if a person has a NA right? This is the end of my lunch break but when I get home ill do a case on someone (not sure who yet but probably moon or chris)Im of the opinion the Moon is being scummy but it jsut doesnt feel right for the lynch. I think that the Jack and Chris interaction was distracting and to me I dont think its something they would do just because they are childish. So that leads me to want to take a look at one of them as they are likely scum. I still think jack is a good candidate but I want to look at chris first to give a weighed opinion. Oh and jack, what happened with all those posts? Glitch or something?

So Charis and my interaction was scummy and distracting, but mine and Red's wasn't? Interesting. He then says he wants Charis's weighted oppinion first, and not mine. He must of knew I was silenced. Then throws in the glitch post to try and cover it up. 

 

I only saw the silenced post after this so I thought it was phone trouble like key(was it?) said. As for not wanting you opinion I was already sold on you and almost charis but since you werent around I thought it best to weigh thing up using her. Also Red was interesting to watch and so was moon. I guess we know why moon was now

[Sedai]

Sold, how?

[dapianoplay3r]

I dunno. But I was pretty sure you were not town

[Sedai]

How bout now? If I was pushing so hard against Charis this early why would you be sold that the both of us are scum? Distancing post is distancing

[dapianoplay3r]

Still not sure on you or red. Her is much less now than earlier. Cryptic post is.. well because im watching a movie and cant multitask