[Basic Mafia] Fiddleton - Game Over

[danneric]

For one i havent made any sign or move to suggest that im mafia. i only voted locke because i counted the votes wrong on the first page and i thought he was one of the ones not voted. and two, im not the only one to change my vote Vieira did the same as I and even CS changed his vote for someone else.

[csarmi]

  On 4/4/2011 at 6:53 PM, Tiinker said:

Well that's odd.. when I'm sick I'll have my laptop at all times and won't even leave the sheets of my bed :p

 

I can't really see anything pinging me majorly about anyone. Mynd's on and off voting seems a bit odd but he isn't exactly doing anything harmful..yet. I'm just waiting to see who jumps on his vote and starts something. The only one i'm really thinking is mafia at the moment is Deadly.

 

You don't use your laptop when you have a fever of 39.5 (Celsius, about 103 in Fahrenheit). Yup, fever was back for the night. Better again for the morning so I'm gonna do some catchup.

[csarmi]

  On 4/4/2011 at 9:32 PM, GMaster479 said:

At this rate I feel we can learn a LOT more from a Mynd lynch than a Csarmi/Phelix lynch. The good news here is we have a dichotomy. Either Mynd is good and we have 2 good targets for tonight in Csarmi and Phelix or Mynd is bad and we are down one scum/baddie/Mafia person. You've all noted his behavior so act upon it and lets hear from him.

 

I don't think so. It seems to me that Mynd is trying to play the game by provoking players and discussion. Which might be good for town. I don't think he's scum.

Now if he's just a townie, how does him attacking someone make that person scum?

[GMaster479]

@Csarmi, read my follow up post. Should answer your question

[csarmi]

UNVOTE

 

GMaster, I don't think I understand your follow up post. My mind doesn't work very well, it seems.

[Mav]

First of all, sorry for my late reply, its rather bussy for me at the moment.

 

  On 4/4/2011 at 12:31 PM, Phelix said:

  On 4/4/2011 at 12:07 PM, Mav said:

  On 4/4/2011 at 8:32 AM, Phelix said:

It doesn't look like he's signed in... is he playing a deep silent game then? Only going to come out to vote?

 

Hmmm.

 

Really, the thing that is leaping out as the most scummy to me is Mav's list of types of players. That list really does cover everyone... now, it could just be a silly way of saying it's really hard to spot scum... or it could be a way of discouraging Townies from acting on suspicious behavior.

 

For now, I'm going to vote Mav.

 

 

I was rather stating the obvious, instead of randomly accusing and following the player who is more resourcefull in his choosing of words, we should rather look at players acting out of their natural character.

 

Obviously I can't be a good judge of players their behavior this soon, I am only starting to get to know all of you, but I do seem to note a few oddities in your way of bringing forth a lynch under my name.

 

You stated that my posts looked scummy, while all I did was replying to Myndrunner and your discussion about day 1 voting and appearing scummy for not voting; I that you can't put a stamp on scum, they can play any act and you find that statement scummy.

 

Thats rather odd, or are you troubled that I undermine your definition of scum? Hence you can't initiate a lynch on the inactive players with a bandwagon following and ofcourse not seeming suspicious while at it?

 

I said that your list of players was "leaping out as the most scummy" to me, and I laid out my reasoning that it felt like a way to build doubt in other player's minds. Yes... of all the things said so far, that felt like the summiest to me. It's not solid by any means, but it's something to guide my vote... so I went with it. I'm not stuck on voting for you... if you, or someone else, points out someone more scummy I'll switch my vote, but it's what I've got for now.

 

I haven't put forward my own definition of scum for you to undermine... so I'm not sure what you're getting at there. Could you elaborate a bit? I admit, I've been up all night, so I might be missing an obvious point you're making....

 

And, lastly, I never said inactive people were likely to be scum, it was Mynd who said not voting yet made a person look scummy, so your last bit about me trying to initiate a lynch on inactive players doesn't make sense either. If you'll recall, it was the exact opposite situation... Mynd said that because I hadn't voted I was acting too cautious, so I was likely to be scum, and so he voted for me.

 

I'm really not sure where you get that I wanted to start a bandwagon on inactive people. Unless it's that bit where I said "So I'm scummy for not voting yet... must make the people who haven't posted at all even scummier. " Notice the tongue sticking out there... that was joking. I don't think people are scummy for not having voted or said anything yet, it was the natural extension of what Mynd was singling me out for. If my posting without voting was scummy to him, then surely people who hadn't even posted yet were even scummier.

 

 

My list of players wasn't the only list of players. I covered all areas of the game, funny that you should see that as scummy. I don't believe that the list in itself made you feel uncomfortable, but rather the time when I posted it. And it so happens that it was directly after your discussion with Mynd.

 

And I didn't mean the inactive player thing as an assault towards you alone, I was rather suspicious of you and Mynd working together.

 

 

  On 4/4/2011 at 2:14 PM, Myndrunner said:

Sick or not, I see two mafia players working together! Cscummi and Phelix both went after Mav rather quick, and the reasons has to do with his list. TinaHell also posts a list, but its one that favors the two of them and questions Mav for his behavior and me for essentially going after Phelix. Also, TinaHell's post seems desperately innocent, as if she is trying hard to support yet distance herself from Cscummi and Phelix.

 

I think we can learn a lot from a Phelix lynch. Watch how reluctant Csarmi and TinaHel are to place their vote on him!

 

 

While I am thankfull for your support, you are pretty suspicious aswell Mynd, while you seem like an initiater of most of the discussion on the first day you have a certain agressive touch to you like it doesn't matter to you who gets lynched at the end of the day. I feel that I should walk with care in the presence of one who switches votes so often...

 

 

 

  On 4/4/2011 at 4:11 PM, csarmi said:

 

 

  Mav said:

This strikes me aswell, hops in, states that he is sick and doesn't have mutch time hence his inactivity/laying low, casts a vote while he is here anywhere, hops back out...

 

Lets initiate a bandwagon alright?

 

Two votes is not a bandwagon. I'd like you to talk more, I enjoy your posts. Putting pressure on people is a good way to make them talk.

 

Yes, two votes isn't a bandwagon, but a bandwagon has to start somewhere, I thought it was pretty suspicious that you voted without really following the topic as you stated but rather followed a "random townie".

That pinged me, you voting without thinking, you seem like a smart guy so I find it hard to believe hence my suspicion.

 

Putting pressure on people is also a double edged blade, by putting pressure on people you automaticly start bleeping on their radar. They will look into you, they will fish for anything, and usually they will find something that they can hold against you.

 

OT: and yes, I'm rather bussy IRL atm, this prevents me from sitting down, reading x pages back and replying :p, I rather post when I have plenty of time so I don't have to rush myself in doing so :).

[csarmi]

Well, I asked my mentor what I should do as a vanilla townie and she said:

 

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Pressuring people is definitely a yes, and it's your job as a vanilla townie to pressure people. By pressuring people you make them uncomfortable and they will eventually overreact at some point, showing their mafia colors. Then it's a win-win situation!

 

You know, worst case I get lynched myself which is still better than say the cop/doc getting lynched (worse than a scum dying).

[Myndrunner]

I asked my mentor if I was doing the right thing, and she said...

 

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As the mafia godfather, you should be much more cautious and not poke holes in people's logic so much. One might read this quote and know your alignment so be sure not to post it. Say something instead like you are a vanilla townie. Yeah, that would work. Continue to pressure people, but try not to get yourself lynched, because the only way you can win as the mafia is to get rid of all the innocents.

 

So, I think I am on the right path with my vote....and it stands.

[csarmi]

Sure you are, if you want to lynch a townie go ahead. Unfortunately, I haven't got the faintest idea what you will profit from it. If I flip innocent, then you know what?

[Talya]

I had a whole post all typed out and pressed post and somehting went wrong with my network at work!!!!

 

It sucks because it took me ages to write trying to be sneaky so my boss didn't know I was doing it lol!!!

 

Well I'll try and write it up again when I get home!

 

CS that was either some sneaky scum move or just not too good. Everyone will have different views on how to play, not a god idea to quote though, as not everyone has that view.

[csarmi]

  On 4/5/2011 at 2:45 PM, Talya said:

I had a whole post all typed out and pressed post and somehting went wrong with my network at work!!!!

 

It sucks because it took me ages to write trying to be sneaky so my boss didn't know I was doing it lol!!!

 

Isn't it possible to write your post in an editor so that you can save it?

Also, you might try to select the whole test and press Ctrl-C to 'save' your post before sending (I did manage to lose a two page essay on Heroes IV forums that way, however, as I failed to press the 'ctrl' apparently and I was left with a single 'c' as my post :P)

 

Well, my idea right now is to incite talk. Lots of talk. I'm still trying to find my game style anyway. My biggest problem is technical, I'm usually online between 9 and 15 CET (and that's like 2 to 8 am in the USA), and usually no one's there, so I don't get replies.

[Myndrunner]

Isn't that a coincidence, we are all townies in this game! I believe that because everyone says they are, so then where are the mafia I wonder?

[csarmi]

Yea somehow everyone is townie, strange.

Makes me wonder. How funny it would be to setup a game with twelve TOWNIES and no scum :)

Townies lynch the day, no one dies the nights. The last two win.

[GMaster479]

So...when does this thing end?

[csarmi]

When there are two players left. Anyway, I don't have this all figured out yet (how to justify that no one dies the nights?).

[Talya]

CS, that would be ideal, but hindsight is a great thing. so no i didn't do that, so yeah it lost it. And I'm usually doing so many other things too...

[Leelou]

  On 4/4/2011 at 7:02 PM, leelou said:

VOTE COUNT

 

csarmi (1) - Mynd

Deadly (1) - GMaster479

Mav (1) - Phelix

Locke (1) - Talya

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

MOD SPEAK There is now a deadline of tomorrow, Wednesday at 5 pm EST. I have pmed Hoodie but he has not responded.

[Talya]

I'll try and remember the things that stood out, I wrote notes and then left them at work...One of those days!!

 

Deadly, I didn't actually think him putting a second vote on Locke too much until I saw that he had put he wasn't going to vote until everyone was on. A little while later he votes for Locke as his lucky number 3. this was before all the convo about not voting means your scum stuff. Would a mafia player really be that slack and put a second vote on a player. He then unvoted quick enough when all this business about voting quickly came up and he had been pointed out as having the 2nd vote on Locke. Then the other thing that caught my eye was his defence saying that he wasn't the only one to vote and unvote.

 

Phelix is another that caught my eye. I felt he was a little pressured by Mynd into voting, The excuse he gave for voting Mav, I don't particularly have a problem with, as I thought the list was a blanket call that covered everyone and it certainly wasn't specific to scum which he intimated in the post. CS voted a little too quickly behind him...why? there was no deadline for today so we had plenty of time, no matter that he was ill. Mynd did seem to badger Phelix and I think he then unvoted (I can't remember if he did or not, but i'm sure he did). CS seemed a little more scummy for that jump on the votre, but his quote earlier suggests he isn't, however I wouldn't put it past mafia to pull a stunt like that (especially if they are actually being tutored). But i'm leaning more towards not, despite the vote. I have been caught out on things like that recently!

 

Mav did make a point about the timing of Phelix's vote, was it down to pressure or is Mav just trying to make it seem that way. not sure there.

 

GMaster caught me eye too. Has voted Mynd from the offset. In fact straight after Mynd voted me which was the first post. he then seemed to not like what Mynd was doing, with his attention and voting/unvoting (thats Mynd get used to it...whether Mafia or Town). Seems to be gunning for you then suddenly flips and goes Deadly, saying he agreed with what Tiinker said. Sudden change of heart or thought the tide was turning that way so thought more likely he would get a lynch, that did cross my mind. Then Mynd jumps on Deadly...why? did he give a reason I can't remember.

 

others haven't really done much, tina gave a run down of the days events, Veiria hasn't said too much, but has asked Mynd some questions which he hasn't answered yet. Locke...2 posts, and Hoodie...still not around, but has signed in with the Mod....that is Inactive!!

 

At the moment I can see a Deadly lynch providing info later on...And his deflection was a bit off. Not sure about GM and Phelix neither...

 

I'm sure I've missed bits of what I wrote.

 

Oh and I did a bit about Mynd. This is his play style, he does it when Mafia, when town , when anything! sometimes it can be distracting sometimes things come out of it, sometimes it is just downright off putting, especially id Mafia...that choice maybe for later. I prefer having him around at the mo.

[csarmi]

I'd rather keep Mynd too.

Phelix, I have no idea either way. I'm too weak right now to do a good readup.

Deadly and Gmaster are pinging me.

 

I'm also very uncomfortable with lynching a player while someone still hasn't checked in. Not a problem I suppose (as the night is the first time when someone HAS to play), but still.

 

If someone makes a good case on a player, I'm happy to go with it. I'm all against random lynch as that hurts town a lot (even lynching me would be better at least that's guaranteed no role-kill and maybe someone does get some info of it though I really have no idea how).

[csarmi]

  On 4/5/2011 at 6:07 PM, Talya said:

At the moment I can see a Deadly lynch providing info later on...

 

What kind of information would that give us?

[Tiinker]

  On 4/5/2011 at 1:06 PM, csarmi said:

Well, I asked my mentor what I should do as a vanilla townie and she said:

 

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Pressuring people is definitely a yes, and it's your job as a vanilla townie to pressure people. By pressuring people you make them uncomfortable and they will eventually overreact at some point, showing their mafia colors. Then it's a win-win situation!

 

You know, worst case I get lynched myself which is still better than say the cop/doc getting lynched (worse than a scum dying).

 

Wait what? And what if you pressure people and they're town? Lynch them and find out? Bad iDEA

 

And quit playing so innocent :P You're really starting to ping me!

[Niniel]

  On 4/5/2011 at 5:57 PM, leelou said:

  On 4/4/2011 at 7:02 PM, leelou said:

VOTE COUNT

 

csarmi (1) - Mynd

Deadly (1) - GMaster479

Mav (1) - Phelix

Locke (1) - Talya

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

MOD SPEAK There is now a deadline of tomorrow, Wednesday at 5 pm EST. I have pmed Hoodie but he has not responded.

 

 

I´m realy, realy tired so I make this a short post.

 

Deadline already tomorrow. And what have we - four votes on four different players. If I should chose from one of those I would go with Deadly. That is based on a gut feeling cos I still don´t think we have enough evidens in one way or another.

 

Other than that I still don´t know. I´m not certain where we have Mynd and I guess it´s the way he like it to be. Is he scum? What I want to say is that I think it is a fine line between being funny and sarcastic and just rude. I think Mynd is crossing that line now and then and I don´t like that.

 

This is the second game I am in so I´m not that experienced but I have learned that it is better to have a controlled lynch than a random. For now I vote Deadly (for the second time in this game so far!) but if someone make a good case on another player I am willing to change that vote.

 

(I appologize for my bad english - it gets even worse when I´m tired.)

[Niniel]

This is the third time that someoneels post when I´m writing. It´s irritating... But since my brain has been switched off I just deal with your posts tomorrow.

[csarmi]

  On 4/5/2011 at 7:08 PM, TinaHel said:

Other than that I still don´t know. I´m not certain where we have Mynd and I guess it´s the way he like it to be. Is he scum? What I want to say is that I think it is a fine line between being funny and sarcastic and just rude. I think Mynd is crossing that line now and then and I don´t like that.

 

I did read several Maffia games and other sources also told me (my mentors) that it's just Mynd's gamestyle. While I wouldn't wanna do that, I have to admit it's effective. In a maffia game you have to be prepared for everything. As long as there are no personal insults, everything is allowed (and should be allowed) prodding people. Especially when town, you want to get as much information as you can. If it takes being rude, why not. You shouldn't overreact. Keep your face. Remember, scum havae to do the same.

 

I'm not saying here that Mynd is surely town, but if he was, his play is good and enjoyable so far - and he really got the game thread going. Sure, he might just be scum and trying to misdirect, but hopefully we'll catch him on that sooner or later, if that's the case.

 

I'm fine with a Deadly vote, but I'm going to wait till tomorrow morning (like 12 hours from now) in case something comes up.

 

Good night everyone.

[csarmi]

  On 4/5/2011 at 7:06 PM, Tiinker said:

Wait what? And what if you pressure people and they're town? Lynch them and find out? Bad iDEA

 

Well, the theory is that the more you have to talk and reveal, the more information you give out. Scum are supposed to have a harder time acting as townie for the simple reason that they aren't (and they have to fear a lynch). Yes, you might just lynch a townie. That happens, I suppose. Bu8t hopefully, said townie acts alright and doesn't get lynched while Maffia members might be losing it.

 

  On 4/5/2011 at 7:06 PM, Tiinker said:

And quit playing so innocent :P You're really starting to ping me!

 

I have to LAFO you on that :)