[Advanced Mafia] Black Ajah - GAME OVER!

[Aust]

I asked the mod an interesting question too and she replied that the scum are not mixed in wih the various teams. We can't infer from that how many teams there are but I think we don't have to worry about the cobra in the grass so to speak, unless you are a mouse or some other small rodent...

 

Anyhow, I don't think things are quite as complex as you're thinking Red.

[csarmi]

So would that mean that there are pure townie teams and pure scum teams? Were you told that no teams intersect, or just that Maffia and scum teams don't?

[Red2111]

okay Aust; so that means that we don't have to worry abotu spys or traitor then hopefully

 

CS - it means that hopefully the different teams dont intersect. but it would be nice if the scum had to worry about a traitor

 

 

 

What is a 'cult'?

 

and anti-town faction that wins by recruiting the majority. no they don't have a NK lol normally anyways

 

 

What are masons?

 

town aligned players that have a QT board together

 

 

What is Chanland?

 

my nickname for the Senchan

 

 

Do you suggest we have 11 black ajah among us?

 

no, just 11 players out of 18 who have "objects of the power" i'm assuming these to be associated with roles or powers somehow and to be ter'angreal, angreal or sa'angreal

 

 

If there are several anti-town groups, roles and all that, would they be aligned somehow?

 

they would eithe rbe aligned anti-town or town.

 

 

Would they KNOW each other?

 

no. each group generally works alone. if we have a cult, only the cult leader and those recruited woudl know whose in the cult. the masons would only know who the other masons are, and if there are multiple scum teams, they woudl work seperately was well. the SK is a lone wolf, no one woudl know his/her identity

 

 

Cause what came to mind is this: in a normal game if you reveal your role, you might become targeted.

If you just say you're vanilla townie, you don't give much extra information to anyone, not even to the Maffia. Sure, if they believe you, they are more likely to target the doc/cop.

 

in any game revealing your role makes you a target.

 

and claiming vanilla is a good cover for scum to btw, so just because you are town & are vanilla doesn't mean you'll be believed if you claim that when your L-1

[Leelou]

Sorry Phelix.

 

I have had massive internet issues during this move. It's going to be snowing here tomorrow so I'll have plenty of time to catch up and start cases.

[Blackhoof]

Do I make sense?

 

no.

 

Anyway red, you bring up interesting points. you are probalby right about all the groups (althoug hi think forsaken wont be in this game, it seems more aes sedai v aes sedai to me) since 18 divided by four is 4.5 and 18 divided by 3 is 6 (keeping with the anti-town being 1/3-1/4) i believe that there are 4-5 scum, probably with a cult leader making up the anti-town numbers. 3 seems too small, but you never know; they might have awesome roles.

 

if there are masons, there almost must be a cult out there, especially since this is a team game.

[Alanna]

It was still dark out. The rebel camp was quiet. In the early morning hours, many Aes Sedai still slept. One of them, alone in her tent, had no idea what was coming for her. She had no idea that she had been marked for death...by her own superiors.

 

It had to be done while she slept, of course. To make sure she wouldn't try and use the One Power to defend herself. Her attacker slipped quietly into her tent and quickly embraced the Source. Moria was dead before she could ever wake up.

 

(Mav) Moria, Black Ajah, has been nightkilled.

 

Day 2 begins. With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

[Aust]

Ha! Very interesting! So only one NK but this does support the idea of more than one team of scum.

[CurtisScafe]

Ha! Very interesting! So only one NK but this does support the idea of more than one team of scum.

Hmm I'm inclined to believe that as well and that they do not know each other... unless there is a single scum that is alone and kills everyone

[Krakalakachkn]

Ha! Very interesting! So only one NK but this does support the idea of more than one team of scum.

unless there is a single scum that is alone and kills everyone

 

I doubt that, unless Alanna took serious liberties with the books. The only one I could think of would be Mesaana, but that wouldn't make sense because in the books she's the only one who knows the identity of all the BA. So why would she kill one?

[Krakalakachkn]

and by the way, no wards!?!?!?!?

 

If I were Moria, I'd have some dang wards around my tent at night!

[CurtisScafe]

Well who is to say all the characters have to follow the book exactly?

 

Another idea is that there are 2 separate groups as stated but one group didnt have all the members on the vote. Maybe someone was absent and didnt vote at all. Mav, leelou didnt vote so one of them could be on the team that didnt get a NK.

Another idea is that one team submitted their NK first and the other one couldnt be completed since they were dead? Not sure if that is possible or not

[csarmi]

Wow.

 

One thing I'm sure of: Alanna is having a good laugh somewhere.

[csarmi]

Curt, Mav must have been part of a scum group.

Now we don't know how many groups there are, don't know what kind of other killers may be out there, but there is one thing we can be sure of: the group that Mav has been part of didn't get a NK because Mav wasn't on the lynch.

 

Krak: What makes you believe that Mesaana knows all the Black Ajah members?

 

By the way, isn't it too early to hunt for possible roles (rolefishing, anyone)? I'm being told game after game that I want to know too much about the rules, game setup and such. Phelix was lynched because he had been thinking.

[Krakalakachkn]

Krak: What makes you believe that Mesaana knows all the Black Ajah members?

 

The books...

[Alanna]

and by the way, no wards!?!?!?!?

 

If I were Moria, I'd have some dang wards around my tent at night!

 

Um...well...no...she had no wards...because...just because

 

This is why I hate killing channelers, it's so hard! :P

[hotpocket2006]

Curt, Mav must have been part of a scum group.

Now we don't know how many groups there are, don't know what kind of other killers may be out there, but there is one thing we can be sure of: the group that Mav has been part of didn't get a NK because Mav wasn't on the lynch.

 

Krak: What makes you believe that Mesaana knows all the Black Ajah members?

 

By the way, isn't it too early to hunt for possible roles (rolefishing, anyone)? I'm being told game after game that I want to know too much about the rules, game setup and such. Phelix was lynched because he had been thinking.

 

you never want to role fish in a game if you're town. There's no one, but the mod, who knows what roles the mod used. Mafia role fish so they can kill the roles. Townies shouldn't even be wondering who has what roles. It doesn't matter. That's why you got in trouble the other game.

 

Wow a Black Ajah down, never thought that would happen ^^ that's awesome. And it does prove that there are at least 2 teams of baddies, as Mav wasn't on the lynch.

[csarmi]

Krak: What makes you believe that Mesaana knows all the Black Ajah members?

 

The books...

 

I don't wanna bring this to more offtopic than it should be, but I think Mesaana only knew Alviarin and some select BA members. If I recall correctly, Alviarin even comments that she alone knows all the members.

 

Also, I agree with Song. Town wouldn't profit from rolefishing, reveals and such.

[Leelou]

It's very good a member of the Black Ajah is dead, what is troubling is that it seems there are more than one team of BA from the way the scene reads and the way NKs are set up. I've started to piece together cases of those I was getting scum vibes off of from day 1 and hope to have them done later.

[DrewRiley]

Vote Count:

Aust (2) - Meesh, Phelix

Meesh (1) - Thorum

Red (2) - Player, Wombat

Phelix (10) - Berf, Song, Blackhoof, Tynaal, Aust, Drew, Curt, Talmanes, csarmi, Red

Blackhoof (1) - Krak

 

Not Voting (1): Mav, leelou

 

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

 

That's a lynch. Results coming up...

 

I'm quoting the final post count because if we're assuming that there are two scum groups and one didn't get an NK because they weren't all on the lynch, then one person out of this group is scum (or more):

 

Meesh

Thorum

Player

Wombat

Krak

Leelou

 

We can also sort of assume that at least three (if we're following the rule of threes) of the people on the lynch are scum. Doesn't narrow it down much, but it's a starting place, I guess?

[Red2111]

good on ya for who ever took out the scum thoguh.

 

i agree that this does prove that we have at least 2 kills per night to worry about. seeing as this kill was done in the rebel camp, the OP specifically states that a Forsaken (aka Aran'Gar) is doing the killing there. this makes me think it was a SK who got the BA member last night, not another scum group.

 

 

i don't think we can use the lynch to figure out the SK either, as only scum need to have their entire team on the lynch to get the NK. so theres that. and i can't see the scum willingly giving up a NK no matter what, that mav wasn't on the lynch speaks to why they didn't have the NK; so i'm guessing the rest of the team would be on the lynch. which makes those who aren't on the lynch less likely to be scum imo

 

 

VOTE: BLACKHOOF

 

he was on the lynch, and i still find him scummy from Day 1

[Aust]

Red, why do you think it was an SK rather than 2 scum groups? My impression from the OP was that the a forsaken might be leading the scum team, not separate from them.

[hotpocket2006]

Red, why do you think it was an SK rather than 2 scum groups? My impression from the OP was that the a forsaken might be leading the scum team, not separate from them.

 

Yeah that's how it was in Alanna's other game. There was a forskaen with the BA and darkfriends.

[csarmi]

I have to agree that those who weren't on the vote are less likely to be scum unless there is something very weird going on.

I'm not sure I follow your reasoning however.

If we assume that the lynch was done by an SK (is that what you're getting at?), why would the scum be more likely on the lynch?

Oh I see. They would try to get all their members on it, but somehow Mav failed to be there on time? Mav had been quite active earlier but somehow missed voting.

So it has nothing to do with SK or not SK. You're just claiming (and rightly, I suppose), that any scum is more likely to be ON lynch than OFF lynch.

[Blackhoof]

so by the looks of things, we have scum A and scum B

 

Scum A= mav

 

Scum B= a combination of probably 3 people from the last lynch, which was

 

Vote Count:

Aust (2) - Meesh, Phelix

Meesh (1) - Thorum

Red (2) - Player, Wombat

Phelix (10) - Berf, Song, Blackhoof, Tynaal, Aust, Drew, Curt, Talmanes, csarmi, Red

Blackhoof (1) - Krak

 

Not Voting (1): Mav, leelou

 

purple = not scum B

 

red = people possibly scum A

 

based on this, we can conclude that people who voted for people not likely to get lynched are probably not scum, unless that scum team sacrificed their nk intentionally.

 

todays lynch should tell us more, and we can begin cross-referencing

[Blackhoof]

also, the death scene stated "by order of her own superiors"

 

that implies that it was a group decision, ordered by a chain of command. not the act of a solo sk.