Would this create a baby Aes Sedai?

[GaseousAnomaly]

Still

Heal

Repeat until desired look is attained?

[Luckers]

No. Stilling does not de-age someone, it returns them to the age they would be had they not been bound by the Oath Rod. Siuan and Leane were roughly fifty. As channelers they slow and would have, naturally, appeared to be in their mid to late twenties. When the Agelessness of the Oath Rod was broken by them being stilled they reverted.

[OptimusPrime]

This just gave me an interesting thought.

 

If Nynaeve were to capture Moghedien again, what she should do is still her, then Heal her, and repeat said process until Moghediens power level was, say, on the same level of Morgase. Then she should Compel Moghedien to obey questions.

[GaseousAnomaly]

No. Stilling does not de-age someone, it returns them to the age they would be had they not been bound by the Oath Rod. Siuan and Leane were roughly fifty. As channelers they slow and would have, naturally, appeared to be in their mid to late twenties. When the Agelessness of the Oath Rod was broken by them being stilled they reverted.

 

I suspected as much. So from now on I Aes Sedai could pretty much live forever if they went through a stilling, healing, Taking the oath cycle every 100 year or so.

[David Selig]

No, they will simply live as much as those channellers who never use the Oath Rod, 600-700 years maximum.

[GaseousAnomaly]

No, they will simply live as much as those channellers who never use the Oath Rod, 600-700 years maximum.

Give oath at 20

Get stilled 100 years later

Return to 20 years old

Get healed.

Give oath again.

Get stilled 100 years later

Return to 20 years old

etc...

[Agitel]

No, they will simply live as much as those channellers who never use the Oath Rod, 600-700 years maximum.

Give oath at 20

Get stilled 100 years later

Return to 20 years old

Get healed.

Give oath again.

Get stilled 100 years later

Return to 20 years old

etc...

 

This is a joke, right?

 

Aes Sedai tend to slow at twenty, so 100 years for a powerful channeler may count as aging ten years, so when stilled, said channeler wouldn't go back to appearing 20, they'd appear 30. Retake the oaths another hundred years later, get stilled, go back to looking forty.

 

Rinse and repeat.

[GaseousAnomaly]

No, they will simply live as much as those channellers who never use the Oath Rod, 600-700 years maximum.

Give oath at 20

Get stilled 100 years later

Return to 20 years old

Get healed.

Give oath again.

Get stilled 100 years later

Return to 20 years old

etc...

 

This is a joke, right?

 

Aes Sedai tend to slow at twenty, so 100 years for a powerful channeler may count as aging ten years, so when stilled, said channeler wouldn't go back to appearing 20, they'd appear 30. Retake the oaths another hundred years later, get stilled, go back to looking forty.

 

Rinse and repeat.

 

That contradicts the first reply in this thread. And what appeared to happen in the book. Once stilled the Aes Sedai looked much younger. So much so people did not recognize them.

[Agitel]

No, they will simply live as much as those channellers who never use the Oath Rod, 600-700 years maximum.

Give oath at 20

Get stilled 100 years later

Return to 20 years old

Get healed.

Give oath again.

Get stilled 100 years later

Return to 20 years old

etc...

 

This is a joke, right?

 

Aes Sedai tend to slow at twenty, so 100 years for a powerful channeler may count as aging ten years, so when stilled, said channeler wouldn't go back to appearing 20, they'd appear 30. Retake the oaths another hundred years later, get stilled, go back to looking forty.

 

Rinse and repeat.

 

That contradicts the first reply in this thread. And what appeared to happen in the book.

 

It contradicts nothing. Siuane didn't de-age to the age she was when she took the oaths, she reverted to the age she'd be at if she didn't take the oaths. There's a subtle difference there. She appears as a fifty year old non-oath-bound channeler, which, given her strength and that she's only been under oath for like twenty-five or thirty years or something, means that in non-channeler terms she probably would only look two or three years older than she did when she took the oaths, which isn't much of a noticeable difference at all.

 

A two hundred year old channeler who got stilled would probably appear to be in her late thirties or something, even if she took the oaths at twenty.

[GaseousAnomaly]

 

 

It contradicts nothing. Siuane didn't de-age to the age she was when she took the oaths, she reverted to the age she'd be at if she didn't take the oaths. There's a subtle difference there. She appears as a fifty year old non-oath-bound channeler, which, given her strength and that she's only been under oath for like twenty-five or thirty years or something, means that in non-channeler terms she probably would only look two or three years older than she did when she took the oaths, which isn't much of a noticeable difference at all.

 

A two hundred year old channeler who got stilled would probably appear to be in her late thirties or something, even if she took the oaths at twenty.

Aes Sedain who take the oath age quicker then chanelers who didnt take the oath? I had never realized this.

[Agitel]

 

 

It contradicts nothing. Siuane didn't de-age to the age she was when she took the oaths, she reverted to the age she'd be at if she didn't take the oaths. There's a subtle difference there. She appears as a fifty year old non-oath-bound channeler, which, given her strength and that she's only been under oath for like twenty-five or thirty years or something, means that in non-channeler terms she probably would only look two or three years older than she did when she took the oaths, which isn't much of a noticeable difference at all.

 

A two hundred year old channeler who got stilled would probably appear to be in her late thirties or something, even if she took the oaths at twenty.

Aes Sedain who take the oath age quicker then chanelers who didnt take the oath? I had never realized this.

 

They don't age quicker, they become 'ageless' in appearance, so they don't really seem to become old (though their hair will go gray, but that's really it). However, their lifespans are about half that of an Aes Sedai not under oath. Channelers not under oath appear to age normally, if at a far slower rate than normal people. A stilled Aes Sedai loses the ageless appearance and looks as old as a non-bound channeler looks at their age. Take two channelers, one Aes Sedai and one of the Kin. Both are the same strength in the power and are the exact same Age, 200 years. The Aes Sedai will have an ageless look and white hair. The kinswoman will appear to be about, I don't know, thirty years old. If the Aes Sedai is stilled, SHE will lose the ageless look and go to looking like a thirty year old, so, while you couldn't place an age on the Aes Sedai and you would say the kinswoman looks thirty, after stilling one would say that the former Aes Sedai now looks like she's thirty, though she'd probably still have gray hair at the moment, which may or may not go back to her natural color, and I truly hope I don't need to expand on that.

 

The Aes Sedai of course would, if she remained stilled, live out the rest of her life in normal years, her body physically aged to thirty already. If she was Healed and retook the oaths, once the Ageless look came back she'd probably still have the same life expectancy she had as a 200 year old Aes Sedai before she was stilled. I don't know the exact mechanics, but the point is that they don't go back to the Age they were, they go back to looking their 'natural I'm a channeling person who's not bound by the oaths age'.

 

Quick note: At 270 years old (give or take a few years), Cadsuane is considered ancient for an Aes Sedai, with few ever living that old. However, some of the kin haved lived over 500 to 600 years, and Alivia is over 400.

 

Really now, this is a big thing for Egwene (who initially considers removing the oaths), Elayne, and Nynaeve, it's discussed at length when Elayne and Nynaeve first make the discovery. It's not easy to miss, and it's the reason why Egwene would like Aes Sedai to retire into the Kin, so that they could remove their oaths when they get old for an oath-bound person and retire and go live out the rest of their lives in the Kin, so that they don't die so soon.

[randsc]

The screeching when told, "No", the crying and whining, and the wetting themselves when faced with a frightening prospect...

 

They're already babies.

 

Although their incredibly arrogant assumption that they always know best, despite massive evidence to the contrary, is more typical of teenagers.

[GaseousAnomaly]

 

 

Quick note: At 270 years old (give or take a few years), Cadsuane is considered ancient for an Aes Sedai, with few ever living that old. However, some of the kin haved lived over 500 to 600 years, and Alivia is over 400.

 

Really now, this is a big thing for Egwene (who initially considers removing the oaths), Elayne, and Nynaeve, it's discussed at length when Elayne and Nynaeve first make the discovery. It's not easy to miss, and it's the reason why Egwene would like Aes Sedai to retire into the Kin, so that they could remove their oaths when they get old for an oath-bound person and retire and go live out the rest of their lives in the Kin, so that they don't die so soon.

Oddly I have never interpreted the age differences as being because of the oath rod. I figured it was something like a lost art that the kin had found. They do say Aes Sedai used to live that old.

As for Egwene wanting to remove the oath I'm exactly at a part where it is discussed and her main point was that she wanted be able to fight the Seanchan and also to lie when it was needed.

[Xader]

I wonder what would happen if say, Alivia, were to swear on the OR. How would this affect her lifespan, given that she's already well pas the age an AS would live, and roughly 2/3 of her own natural life expectancy?

[dovien]

Not that channlers age at the same rate as everyone else. It's the effects of aging which are slowed and reduced so that a channeler appears to age slower.

 

Also, the power reduction that happens when a severed person is healed by a person of the same sex is not cumulative.

[Taura-Tierno]

And a delegation from the Hall of the Servants had offered her [semirhage] a choice that was no choice: to be bound never to know her pleasures again, and with that binding be able to see the end of life approach… They had expected her to accept binding…

 

That's one of the quotes that really suggests that the oath rod shortens your lifespans.

 

Other than that, Elayne, Nynaeve together with the other Aes Sedai who met the Kin concluded that the only difference between the Kin and the Aes Sedai is the taking of the Oaths. There is no unknown technique, since the Kin aren't even allowed to learn new things, and they don't teach each other anything related to the One Power.