Portal Stones

[Luckers]

Go.

[thestonerocket]

Portal Stone Mayhem...

 

Trollocs have been breeding in the portal stone worlds. There are countless numbers of them.

 

Taim has been setting up other schools in portal stone worlds -- instant "black" Asha'man...

 

What about Tel' Aran' Rhiod built Ter' Angreal?

 

How many people can Rand 2.0 transport via portal stone at one time?

 

What would happen if he used himself up in the delivery of a group of people to a portal stone world such that his sacrifice lent that "possible world" probability, turning it essentially into the "pivotal" or real world?

 

Is there a portal stone in the blight?

 

What if the portal stones are actually the rocks of shayol ghul?

 

Two Birds, One Stone...

 

At least!

 

Discuss?

[Maleverica]

Go.

 

Shadowspawn cannot go through gateways as they are constructs, however when Mat dispatches the Gholam with the help of the Kin he uses a skimming gateway. Is this a different weave or is the Gholam not shadowspawn? The text has the gholam falling through the skimming gateway. Can an army of trollocs skim with a powerful dreadlord and pop up any where?

[dwn]

Go.

 

Shadowspawn cannot go through gateways as they are constructs, however when Mat dispatches the Gholam with the help of the Kin he uses a skimming gateway. Is this a different weave or is the Gholam not shadowspawn? The text has the gholam falling through the skimming gateway. Can an army of trollocs skim with a powerful dreadlord and pop up any where?

 

This has been answered in a signing Q/A (see the signing thread for the exact quote). Apparently the gholam is shadowspawn, but sufficiently refined that it can survive going though a gateway. I guess trollocs and myrddraal are the shadowspawn equivalent of Dolly.

 

-- dwn

[Sharaman]

Grady's perception at the Jehannah battle was interesting.

He felt a weak-ish channeler who was jumping in and out with fists of trollocs.

That suggests that Rand who was already an extremely strong channeler did it rather inefficiently in TGH and TSR, given the huge effort he had to make.

Also G's PoV makes it obvious that Lanfear was not the only mirror world expert among the FS but for some reason, GLoD has less reach in some mirror worlds, since she thought of hiding from him.

[Durinax]

what if the attack on caemlyn wasnt due to the waygate, but rather a portal stone the city grew over. . .

 

and since lanfear has talent and has done research on portal stones the last few books she oculd have been locating them within cities to allow for multiple quick invasions

[bysomy]

True power a portal stone?

[Muad Cheade]

True power a portal stone?

I don't believe so because they came from an age before the Dark One was released.

[dwn]

Graendal does note that the lackey Moridin sent her was 'special'. Perhaps he has a Talent for using Portal Stones, similar to how Androl can make huge gateways.

 

-- dwn

[Sharaman]

Graendal does note that the lackey Moridin sent her was 'special'. Perhaps he has a Talent for using Portal Stones, similar to how Androl can make huge gateways.

 

-- dwn

Slayer AFAIK has no special talents regarding portal stones and he certainly can't channel (his PoV in WH confirms that). The channeler bringing in the trollocs was someone else.

[Duskfire]

Trollocs being able to use Portal Stones is pretty massive. We dont have a definite list of them either, so in theory a crapton of Trollocs could appear anywhere. Should be interesting to see if any other cities then Camelyn get attacked (Illian and whatnot.)

[Yehosh]

Graendal does note that the lackey Moridin sent her was 'special'. Perhaps he has a Talent for using Portal Stones, similar to how Androl can make huge gateways.

 

-- dwn

Slayer AFAIK has no special talents regarding portal stones and he certainly can't channel (his PoV in WH confirms that). The channeler bringing in the trollocs was someone else.

 

I don't think dwn was talking about slayer, but rather the guy with the rebellious look that Moridin sent to work with Graendal

[Byzantine279]

Graendal does note that the lackey Moridin sent her was 'special'. Perhaps he has a Talent for using Portal Stones, similar to how Androl can make huge gateways.

 

-- dwn

Slayer AFAIK has no special talents regarding portal stones and he certainly can't channel (his PoV in WH confirms that). The channeler bringing in the trollocs was someone else.

 

I don't think dwn was talking about slayer, but rather the guy with the rebellious look that Moridin sent to work with Graendal

 

That IS slayer. He knows he can get away with only being half subservient because he is unique, his ability in TAR is unmatched.

[dwn]

Graendal does note that the lackey Moridin sent her was 'special'. Perhaps he has a Talent for using Portal Stones, similar to how Androl can make huge gateways.

 

-- dwn

Slayer AFAIK has no special talents regarding portal stones and he certainly can't channel (his PoV in WH confirms that). The channeler bringing in the trollocs was someone else.

 

I don't think dwn was talking about slayer, but rather the guy with the rebellious look that Moridin sent to work with Graendal

 

That IS slayer. He knows he can get away with only being half subservient because he is unique, his ability in TAR is unmatched.

 

No, it isn't Slayer.

 

The servant--one Moridin had loaned her--was on one knee before her. His eyes were tempestuous, and only half-lowered. This one was under control, but barely. He knew he was unique.

 

-- ToM, Wounds, p. 600

 

Graendal wouldn't refer to Slayer--'The Man with Two Souls'--as a nameless servant loaned to her. This is an Asha'man/Dreadlord, one who will be springing the shadowspawn trap. His uniqueness is likely a Talent with portal stones--we haven't seen anyone else capable of moving groups via portal stone so adeptly.

 

-- dwn

[WhiskyJack]

Dwn, that was Slayer. Why people intently ignore the obvious and go for something convoluted? Slayer is a nameless person as for as Graendal is concerned.

[WhiskyJack]

Graendal does note that the lackey Moridin sent her was 'special'. Perhaps he has a Talent for using Portal Stones, similar to how Androl can make huge gateways.

 

-- dwn

Slayer AFAIK has no special talents regarding portal stones and he certainly can't channel (his PoV in WH confirms that). The channeler bringing in the trollocs was someone else.

 

I don't think dwn was talking about slayer, but rather the guy with the rebellious look that Moridin sent to work with Graendal

 

 

Moridin only sent one person.

[WhiskyJack]

Graendal does note that the lackey Moridin sent her was 'special'. Perhaps he has a Talent for using Portal Stones, similar to how Androl can make huge gateways.

 

-- dwn

 

 

Androl cannot make gateways bigger than Rand. His skill lies in control, not size. Talent inherently doesn't mean bigger, sometimes it just means better.

[WhiskyJack]

True power a portal stone?

I don't believe so because they came from an age before the Dark One was released.

 

 

DO was released?

[dwn]

Dwn, that was Slayer. Why people intently ignore the obvious and go for something convoluted? Slayer is a nameless person as for as Graendal is concerned.

 

Yet she later refers to him by name.

 

That fool Isam, Graendal thought, stuffing the papers in her pack.

 

-- ToM, Epilogue, p. 829

 

The scene I quoted in my previous post is clearly Graendal giving orders to an Asha'man/dreadlord loaned to her.

 

-- dwn

[WhiskyJack]

Dwn, that was Slayer. Why people intently ignore the obvious and go for something convoluted? Slayer is a nameless person as for as Graendal is concerned.

 

Yet she later refers to him by name.

 

That fool Isam, Graendal thought, stuffing the papers in her pack.

 

-- ToM, Epilogue, p. 829

 

The scene I quoted in my previous post is clearly Graendal giving orders to an Asha'man/dreadlord loaned to her.

 

-- dwn

 

No she is not. That was slayer. There is no such thing as "Talent" for getways or portal stone. Moridin only loaned her one servant and that was slayer. Ability to create power forged weapon is a talent. To create ter'angreal is a talent. Moving troops from one stone to another is not a talent.

 

Grendal never calls slayer "nameless" guy. She simply doesn't care calling servants by name.

[Zodd]

True power a portal stone?

I don't believe so because they came from an age before the Dark One was released.

 

 

DO was released?

I believe it means before Randland AoL release. IOW before living memory. We've seen speculation on there being a cycle for the DO sealing and release before, via Fel.

[WhiskyJack]

True power a portal stone?

I don't believe so because they came from an age before the Dark One was released.

 

 

DO was released?

I believe it means before Randland AoL release. IOW before living memory. We've seen speculation on there being a cycle for the DO sealing and release before, via Fel.

 

I guess we will see this in AMoL but I don't believe that DO ever was "released" from his prison unless Creator interferes everytime this happens and puts him back in the newly built prison.

[Zodd]

True power a portal stone?

I don't believe so because they came from an age before the Dark One was released.

DO was released?

I believe it means before Randland AoL release. IOW before living memory. We've seen speculation on there being a cycle for the DO sealing and release before, via Fel.

I guess we will see this in AMoL but I don't believe that DO ever was "released" from his prison unless Creator interferes everytime this happens and puts him back in the newly built prison.

 

I think it has less to do with the Creator and more to do with humanity working together.

[dwn]

Dwn, that was Slayer. Why people intently ignore the obvious and go for something convoluted? Slayer is a nameless person as for as Graendal is concerned.

 

Yet she later refers to him by name.

 

That fool Isam, Graendal thought, stuffing the papers in her pack.

 

-- ToM, Epilogue, p. 829

 

The scene I quoted in my previous post is clearly Graendal giving orders to an Asha'man/dreadlord loaned to her.

 

-- dwn

 

No she is not. That was slayer. There is no such thing as "Talent" for getways or portal stone. Moridin only loaned her one servant and that was slayer. Ability to create power forged weapon is a talent. To create ter'angreal is a talent. <oving troops from one stone to another is not a talent.

 

Grendal never calls slayer "nameless" guy. She simply doesn't care calling servants by name.

 

Let me spell it out for you.

 

1) Graendal orders a male 'servant' on loan from Moridin--one that is apparently unique--to spring her shadowspawn trap.

2) A male channeller brings Graendal's trolloc army through a portal stone using a relatively small amount of power. This contradicts how difficult travel by portal stone has been shown previously.

3) We see from Graendal's POVs that Slayer is known to her by name, and by the euphemism 'The Man With Two Souls'.

4) We see Androl, a very weak Asha'man student who can still make large gateways. This is apparently an unusual Talent.

 

It follows that Graendal is giving orders to the Asha'man lackey who will be captaining her shadowspawn attack. This Asha'man's 'uniqueness' is likely some kind of Talent that lets him use portal stones with unusual adeptness and efficiency of power.

 

-- dwn

[WhiskyJack]

Dwn, that was Slayer. Why people intently ignore the obvious and go for something convoluted? Slayer is a nameless person as for as Graendal is concerned.

 

Yet she later refers to him by name.

 

That fool Isam, Graendal thought, stuffing the papers in her pack.

 

-- ToM, Epilogue, p. 829

 

The scene I quoted in my previous post is clearly Graendal giving orders to an Asha'man/dreadlord loaned to her.

 

-- dwn

 

No she is not. That was slayer. There is no such thing as "Talent" for getways or portal stone. Moridin only loaned her one servant and that was slayer. Ability to create power forged weapon is a talent. To create ter'angreal is a talent. <oving troops from one stone to another is not a talent.

 

Grendal never calls slayer "nameless" guy. She simply doesn't care calling servants by name.

 

Let me spell it out for you.

 

1) Graendal orders a male 'servant' on loan from Moridin--one that is apparently unique--to spring her shadowspawn trap.

2) A male channeller brings Graendal's trolloc army through a portal stone using a relatively small amount of power. This contradicts how difficult travel by portal stone has been shown previously.

3) We see from Graendal's POVs that Slayer is known to her by name, and by the euphemism 'The Man With Two Souls'.

4) We see Androl, a very weak Asha'man student who can still make large gateways. This is apparently an unusual Talent.

 

It follows that Graendal is giving orders to the Asha'man lackey who will be captaining her shadowspawn attack. This Asha'man's 'uniqueness' is likely some kind of Talent that lets him use portal stones with unusual adeptness and efficiency of power.

 

-- dwn

 

Just your thoughts, not "facts".

1) Unique servant? To do what? Move people around? That's unique now? Slayer very well can take the command and call on a channeler to do the job.

2) Relatively small? Or just not very strong? Is Rand some kind of benchmark? I am not sure where it was stated that portal stones are difficult thing to manage. Oh you mean Rand had tough time using them so it must be difficult!

3)So what? I didn't see in your quote Graendal calling that servant the "nameless one", did I?

4) No it's not. There are 5 items. Each channeler has control over 1, 2 or even 5 of them. Androl is good with Spirit. Still he cannot make gateways bigger than Rand and Rand is not "talented" as for as gateways are concerned. Androl's "talent" lies in extreme control (making gatways small enough to cut leather belt) and how big he can make those things.

 

 

So again, that servant was unique and hence his arrogance. There is no such talent as "super efficient" portal movement. Talent by nature is rare thing. Doing something better is not some "Talent" otherwise Rand is unbelievably talented even though he really cannot do anything especial.

 

I am out. Just believe whatever you wanna believe.