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[Luckers]

If The Gathering Storm is anything to go by Rand will probably give him the Crystal Throne or something.

 

I'm sorry--sore point for me. But why on earth was Rand thinking about giving the Throne of Amadicia to Ituralde? Rand did not hold that throne, he had no intention of conquering it--in point of fact doing so went against the desperately desired peace with the Seanchan--so why was he thinking about who he would give it to?

 

Rant over. :)

 

The answer to questions like that lies with Team Jordan and the beta readers. Apparently nobody is bothering to fact check.

 

I don't know that this could be said to be a factual error. It was just Rand being stoopid, which hey, maybe was the point. I just found it, you know... stoopid.

[Bob T Dwarf]

If The Gathering Storm is anything to go by Rand will probably give him the Crystal Throne or something.

 

I'm sorry--sore point for me. But why on earth was Rand thinking about giving the Throne of Amadicia to Ituralde? Rand did not hold that throne, he had no intention of conquering it--in point of fact doing so went against the desperately desired peace with the Seanchan--so why was he thinking about who he would give it to?

 

Rant over. :)

 

The answer to questions like that lies with Team Jordan and the beta readers. Apparently nobody is bothering to fact check.

 

I don't know that this could be said to be a factual error. It was just Rand being stoopid, which hey, maybe was the point. I just found it, you know... stoopid.

 

Well, at this point writing Rand to do something stoopid is reallyfreaking STOOOOOOOOOPPID!

 

We're in the end game. Rand, if nobody else, is supposed to be getting his poop in a group.

[Luckers]

Actually I think the entire point of tGS was that Rand was stoopid. I mean, he achieves absolutely none of the things he sets out to do, and only has one accidental victory, which he's not even aware of. That was why it was so important he have a mental make-over. He was erratic and sloppy, and that would have translated into defeat for the Light.

 

That's the rub for me, you see. I don't think the Throne of Amadicia was a mistake, so much as it was a blunt and hamfisted way of underscoring this theme.

[Terez]

I agree; I wasn't paying much attention to this particular 'mistake'. There are mistakes, but this isn't likely one of them; more likely Rand planned on retaking Amadicia.

[Bob T Dwarf]

Actually I think the entire point of tGS was that Rand was stoopid. I mean, he achieves absolutely none of the things he sets out to do, and only has one accidental victory, which he's not even aware of. That was why it was so important he have a mental make-over. He was erratic and sloppy, and that would have translated into defeat for the Light.

 

That's the rub for me, you see. I don't think the Throne of Amadicia was a mistake, so much as it was a blunt and hamfisted way of underscoring this theme.

 

Stoopid or no, when the series began there were thirteen Forsaken. When The Gathering Storm ends there are only six left. Entirely due to Rand's efforts although he did not personally kill each of the seven that are missing.

 

It's not that his strategy or tactics are bad, it's that his attitude and demeanor are. He's a man on the way to the gallows. He's lost all hope.

 

So, really TGS is all about Rand finding Ray Charles and gettin' his groove back. < sorry if that reference is a little dated for some >

[ajfurst]

I agree; I wasn't paying much attention to this particular 'mistake'. There are mistakes, but this isn't likely one of them; more likely Rand planned on retaking Amadicia.

That doesn't make sense though. He wants Ituralde to not fight the Seanchan in the West, so he gets a truce, but plans to retake Amadicia? Did Rand think the Seanchan would give it up without a fight as part of the truce?

 

If it'd been clarified as if the Seanchan don't agree to a truce and Ituralde helps Rand he'll give him the throne that'd be different. I put it down on the list of things that should have been picked up in the editing process (characters using 'wrong' words, Sulin, etc.) that slipped through in the rush to publish. In hindsight (always 20-20) it would have been better to 'sit' on TGS an extra month to have BS and Team Jordan go through it with a fine tooth comb to pick up these small glitches. None of these were 'throw the chapter out Brandon and re-write'. A word here, a sentence there at most. In total to me they make the difference between TGS being an uncut stone instead of polished - the quality is still clearly there, but there's rough edges that a bit of time and effort would have taken off it to make it truly shine.

 

It's why I'm hoping they delay AMOL to do a much more extensive editing process then with TGS and TOM.

 

/End side tracking

[Terez]

I didn't say it made sense. It's just not really an error as such.

[Terez]

Oh, and I thought of another expert beta reader - Bob Kluttz from EWOT. At least, I assume he is a beta reader - they don't tend to publicize these things, but he would be a logical one, and he generally knows his stuff. A natural byproduct of having made a thorough resource like that.

[Rcurran]

I'm not being insulting, I'm fed up of people bashing Brandon Sanderson. All I read are people saying things about his style and RJ's and then things about inaccuracies. For instance people were very quick to start suggesting somehow BS is fully responsible for this maidens riding on horses malarky.

 

I think that BS has been taking a lot of flack for minor errors such as use of the phrase Dark One by G. He responds very well and says he will try to root out any problems. He never seems to pass the buck on and I think if there are any problems with the plot/time lines/terminology et al then it's a team error and not an author error as this book has become a lot more than one man's work. Especially now the team has gone digital.

[ajfurst]

I think that BS has been taking a lot of flack for minor errors such as use of the phrase Dark One by G.

I think most people don't blame BS. He rightly has to concentrate on the big picture of the story. There's meant to be a whole team of (one assumes) paid professionals to catch all of these. It's 'Team Jordan' minus BS who should be catching these to alert BS of minor corrections, not them slipping out to the clients (/customers). I suppose they are benefiting from the fact they are the only suppliers of WOT - a monopoly supplier as it were. Certainly most of us allowing so many catchable product flaws to pass through quality control / testers (editors/team Jordan) to clients, would put contracts at risk or at the very least get a blasting.

[Terez]

On the contrary, I think that without Team Jordan's efforts, we wouldn't be reading the end of WoT at all. They have already recognized the benefit of branching out to certain beta readers from the fandom to help with the task. RJ didn't write everything down in his notes because he was a genius, and he kept a lot of it in his head. The more people they have helping them, the better it gets, and I think there have been some improvements from TGS to TOM because they branched out. But they seem reluctant to branch out too much, partly because they don't really know who they can trust. Or at least, that's what I gathered from Brandon's comments on it.

[Stevros]

On the contrary, I think that without Team Jordan's efforts, we wouldn't be reading the end of WoT at all. They have already recognized the benefit of branching out to certain beta readers from the fandom to help with the task. RJ didn't write everything down in his notes because he was a genius, and he kept a lot of it in his head. The more people they have helping them, the better it gets, and I think there have been some improvements from TGS to TOM because they branched out. But they seem reluctant to branch out too much, partly because they don't really know who they can trust. Or at least, that's what I gathered from Brandon's comments on it.

 

I totally agree with what your saying.

Though knowing that these people (like Jason and Matt) have read the book and I haven't feels like teasing a dog with a bone but not quite giving it to them. These people that these forum's have allowed us to get to know having the book is both good to know that they are doing their absolute best to get the book right, but is like one of Semi's torture methods knowing I still have to wait till the release date!!!

[ajfurst]

and I think there have been some improvements from TGS to TOM because they branched out.

I can't comment on that one as I haven't read beyond the prologue and chapters 1,2 & 8 yet (Cue green look of envy), but I've seen threads (without opening to avoid the spoilers) on RAFO about how many spelling / typo's people think there are in TOM, which isn't promising.

 

None of this takes away from the fact I think BS is doing a good job and I enjoyed TGS and have high hopes for TOM. Perhaps it's being anal, that even though I've been into around a dozen bookstores hoping to find one with the book early (no luck :( ), I'd rather wait an extra month or two if I knew that extra time was being used for 'polishing'/editing. I think a majority of fans would rather it now, so I can see why TOR / Team Jordan brings it out as fast as they do, but I take it as - it can be late only once, it can be bad forever - and I'd take the former every time.

[Terez]

and I think there have been some improvements from TGS to TOM because they branched out.

I can't comment on that one as I haven't read beyond the prologue and chapters 1,2 & 8 yet (Cue green look of envy), but I've seen threads (without opening to avoid the spoilers) on RAFO about how many spelling / typo's people think there are in TOM, which isn't promising.

I think the typos were a result of the rush for the final version. It was such a huge rush because a small delay could have put the book off until next year, because of book publishing quirks. Brandon mentioned that he often creates typos when revising, and I'm keeping a list of them, and it's obvious this was the problem. But a few typos are a small price to pay for getting it months earlier, IMO - they will be fixed in the next edition. The beta readers did what they could to make the important stuff better, but they probably didn't have enough fresh eyes on the task to catch all of the typos Brandon created when he incorporated the beta readers' suggestions.

[Barid Bel Medar]

and I think there have been some improvements from TGS to TOM because they branched out.

I can't comment on that one as I haven't read beyond the prologue and chapters 1,2 & 8 yet (Cue green look of envy), but I've seen threads (without opening to avoid the spoilers) on RAFO about how many spelling / typo's people think there are in TOM, which isn't promising.

I think the typos were a result of the rush for the final version. It was such a huge rush because a small delay could have put the book off until next year, because of book publishing quirks. Brandon mentioned that he often creates typos when revising, and I'm keeping a list of them, and it's obvious this was the problem. But a few typos are a small price to pay for getting it months earlier, IMO - they will be fixed in the next edition. The beta readers did what they could to make the important stuff better, but they probably didn't have enough fresh eyes on the task to catch all of the typos Brandon created when he incorporated the beta readers' suggestions.

 

To be honest., I dont care about typos. Seriously, as long as the story is consistant, im cool. If they spell something wrong or get the wrong name for something, I dont care, its really not important. I know what is happening, I know what it means. So its fine. Really, instead of focusing on what they get wrong, focus on the story as a whole. As long as they dont get Rand's name consistantly wrong, m fine.

[Terez]

It's just little stupid typos, like 'A bronze stand-lamp burned in the corner, and a circular rug nearly filled nearly the entire floor.' That is obviously an effect of Brandon trying to shift around wording, and forgetting to delete how he had it written previously. There are several such examples. Other than that, little stupid things like Graendal saying 'Dark One' instead of 'Great Lord' and Rhuarc saying 'the Waste' instead of 'the Three-fold Land'. There are some continuity errors as well, but there were some when RJ was writing the books, too, if not so many.

[Barid Bel Medar]

It's just little stupid typos, like 'A bronze stand-lamp burned in the corner, and a circular rug nearly filled nearly the entire floor.' That is obviously an effect of Brandon trying to shift around wording, and forgetting to delete how he had it written previously. There are several such examples. Other than that, little stupid things like Graendal saying 'Dark One' instead of 'Great Lord' and Rhuarc saying 'the Waste' instead of 'the Three-fold Land'. There are some continuity errors as well, but there were some when RJ was writing the books, too, if not so many.

 

Exacly. If people get annoyed at that, they are not true fans. its not about precision. Its about the freakin story. Unless they have a big typo where Rand dies when he isnt supposed to, I really dont see the point in complaining. It is not a consistant thing. So yeah. I agree with you 100%

[Sid]

It's just little stupid typos, like 'A bronze stand-lamp burned in the corner, and a circular rug nearly filled nearly the entire floor.' That is obviously an effect of Brandon trying to shift around wording, and forgetting to delete how he had it written previously. There are several such examples. Other than that, little stupid things like Graendal saying 'Dark One' instead of 'Great Lord' and Rhuarc saying 'the Waste' instead of 'the Three-fold Land'. There are some continuity errors as well, but there were some when RJ was writing the books, too, if not so many.

 

Exacly. If people get annoyed at that, they are not true fans. its not about precision. Its about the freakin story. Unless they have a big typo where Rand dies when he isnt supposed to, I really dont see the point in complaining. It is not a consistant thing. So yeah. I agree with you 100%

That isn't exactly fair to say. Precision is pretty important in this story to 'true fans' that want to get to the bottom of mysteries and explore every angle. Imagine if Graendal had thought 'Dark One' or Rhuarc said 'the Waste' in an earlier book. Theories would have been flying about, each one crazier than the last. People latch onto the smallest of idiosyncrasies and weave moonbeams and happenstance together because sometimes that's all RJ gave us to work with.

 

I understand that there will be errors, and because of that I'll try not to dwell on them despite the immersion factor. I would appreciate if they were recognized as errors, however, as soon as possible after they were brought up so they have a lesser chance of showing up in the paperback versions that I do my re-reads from.

[Bob T Dwarf]

Sid's got a point.

 

People are going to continue to discuss this series for quite some time. It would probably be best if they were bashing each other over the head with accurate quotes.

 

Plus, as we've seen with this book, with electronic communication, the editing process has become interactive and iterative. It's not like nobody from Team Jordan had seen any of the book until six weeks ago and there just wasn't time for proofreading if they were going to meet the publishing deadline. They simply dropped the ball much earlier.

[Maji]

TGS came out pretty well in terms of typos, and incorrect usage of names and such in the amount of time they had alotted to them to push the book out to the presses. Brandon is doing a very credible job, far better than anyone else could have. Hell, a lot of people wanted GRRM to finish the series and while I love his writing, I'm not sure he would have been able to finish it before he kicks the bucket. He can't even keep his own series from going on 4 or 5 years when it was only half of the previous book. I think we should just be thankful the book is being finished at all (not that many of you aren't grateful) and let them work on getting the errors fixed for the paperbacks. I think we can trust Tor and Team Jordan to do that much.

[vasu619]

,I have to agree with Barid. Precision ir very important for a series like WOT. Imagine if there had been am error with Taim's of,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[CTKShadow]

Two questions for Terez.

 

This one is a simple yes/no answer. I'm not looking for specifically what (yet), just if there is or isn't. Let's say I just want to know if a certain character killed Asmodean or not. And let's say that I'm pretty confident that I've deduced which character it is. Now, assuming that I am right, if I flip to that character's glossary section (only), will other plot events from ToM also be revealed? (It seems "intuitively obvious" that since the killer is not revealed under the MIA Asmodean section, that it is revealed in the killer's glossary section.) So anyway, is there other spoilers in the killer's glossary, or isn't there?

 

This one I expect a RAFO for, but I'll ask anyway. If there IS/ARE other spoilers in the killer's glossary, is it/are they limited to basically "this character was turned to the shadow against his/her will."?

 

Thanks :D

[Terez]

Two questions for Terez.

 

This one is a simple yes/no answer. I'm not looking for specifically what (yet), just if there is or isn't. Let's say I just want to know if a certain character killed Asmodean or not. And let's say that I'm pretty confident that I've deduced which character it is. Now, assuming that I am right, if I flip to that character's glossary section (only), will other plot events from ToM also be revealed?

Yes. Things that have nothing to do with Asmodean, and really, little to do with that particular entry are spoiled.

 

This one I expect a RAFO for, but I'll ask anyway. If there IS/ARE other spoilers in the killer's glossary, is it/are they limited to basically "this character was turned to the shadow against his/her will."?

Nope, it's something much more major than that.

[CTKShadow]

Two questions for Terez.

 

This one is a simple yes/no answer. I'm not looking for specifically what (yet), just if there is or isn't. Let's say I just want to know if a certain character killed Asmodean or not. And let's say that I'm pretty confident that I've deduced which character it is. Now, assuming that I am right, if I flip to that character's glossary section (only), will other plot events from ToM also be revealed?

Yes. Things that have nothing to do with Asmodean, and really, little to do with that particular entry are spoiled.

 

This one I expect a RAFO for, but I'll ask anyway. If there IS/ARE other spoilers in the killer's glossary, is it/are they limited to basically "this character was turned to the shadow against his/her will."?

Nope, it's something much more major than that.

 

I see. Very interesting. I guess I'll resist the urge and hope the reveal is sooner rather than later. Although by the sounds of it that isn't likely the case.

Edit: Actually, it sounds like it doesn't get stated outright at all, except in the glossary. Although it sounds like it's implied strongly enough that I should be able to pick it up without the glossary.

[Terez]

It's actually pretty early in the book, so fear not.