I was wondering

[firstfishman]

If Egwene is a Dreamer and can walk the wold of dreams at will, does that mean at least a few of the Chosen are aswell? I am sure most of them travel there as Rand does, but I think Moghedien and Lan'fear could be actual dreamers. What kind of true dreams are they having? I think I would like to hear about some of them. We see alot of the prophecies of light, but not many of the shadow.

[ravenfier]

I dont think that they happen to be acual dreammers as we have seen but more like dreamwalkers- kinda like what perrin does with his "wolf-dream", he has acess to the world of dreams but he doesn't have true dreams.

[yoniy0]

Yes, a Dreamwalker is someone who's able to enter tel'aran'rhiod the way Egwene does (and the WO, too), and control it better than normal people (that last part is just me speculating). A Dreamer is someone who sees the future in their dreams. Egwene is both.

[Durinax]

Yes, a Dreamwalker is someone who's able to enter tel'aran'rhiod the way Egwene does (and the WO, too), and control it better than normal people (that last part is just me speculating). A Dreamer is someone who sees the future in their dreams. Egwene is both.

they are very closely linked, in fact we see some visions in Tar from perrin and egwene I believe. Also the WO's are able to see a possible path of the future like when they tell moraine to come to the threefold land

[ravenfier]

ah but some of the WO's are dreamers aswell as dreamwalkers. heince some of them being able to help eggy to interperate her dreams

 

[Duskfire]

I dont know, every Dreamwalker we have come across is also a Dreamer. So they are obviously linked, although I don't know if you can be one without the other. Egwene, Amys, Melanie, Bair and Perrin are examples of both.

 

 

[firstfishman]

Will we ever see any of the Shadow true dreams or prophecies?

[Luckers]

RJ stated they were seperate Talents. Only Moghedian and Lanfear amongst the Chosen are stated to be strong Dreamwalkers--it's possible neither are Dreamers.

[Barid Bel Medar]

Demandred and Rhavin werent. They had to make gateways, go in the flesh to go into TAR

 

Not sure about Ishamael, he seems to be able to (comming to rands dreams in EotW) and the little tea party in tGS.

[Luckers]

And Aran'gar probably isn't--we know her powers in the Dream are very weak.

[Majsju]

Will we ever see any of the Shadow true dreams or prophecies?

 

We did see a dark prophecy in TGH - The one written in blood on the wall outside Fains cell.

[yoniy0]

We did see a dark prophecy in TGH - The one written in blood on the wall outside Fains cell.

Maj, that prophecy is a bit shady. After all, when has Rand ever served Lanfear? Wait, what am I doing? Why are we discussing this here?

BTW since I'm writing this already, I just read Dida proposing that Lanfear will be the 3rd person to link with Rand and Alivia, and since one of the ladies will have to lead, Rand will be serving her, in a way. A bit out there, but it's an interesting point.

[Terez]

Maj, that prophecy is a bit shady. After all, when has Rand ever served Lanfear?

 

That is the only shady bit about it, really. RJ said the Fade wrote it on a threat, though...that's interesting. And he also pointed out that the Fade was aware of the Seanchan at that point, and that Fain tortured this information out of it.

[jemron]

I was just re-reading LoC, and I noticed that in one of Demandred's POVs, while he is spying on Elayne in the palace in Andor in TAR, he notices that she looks "dim" because she's using one of her ter'angreal copies that she made, and Demandred mentions in his thoughts that she looks the way a student who was just learning would look back in the AoL. This gave me the impression that it was a common practice among certain people, especially strong channelers probably, in the AoL to actually take lessons to learn how to use TAR.

 

So, that to me pretty much means that's why the Forsaken all use TAR. They all learned to at the same time that they learned to channel in the AoL probably.

 

My question is, are the WO dreamwalkers as good in TAR as the Forsaken? I know Moggy thinks she's the best, even though Lanfear claims to be better, but Moggy is sure she's stronger than Lanfear in TAR; but what about Aiel Wise Ones? Could they best even Moggy or Lanfear in TAR?