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At the end of time, when the many become one, the last storm shall gather its angry winds to destroy a land already dying. And at its center, the blind man shall stand upon his own grave. There he shall see again, and weep for what has been wrought.

 

Does anyone remember anything like this being quoted in the karaethon cycle, or having anyone besides the Seanchan discussing it as from the KC?

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It's from the Essanik Cycle, not the Karaethon Cycle. The Essanik Cycle isn't the Seanchan version of the Karaethon Cycle (they have that as well, though it's been suggested that their version is corrupted), it's a different set of prophecies made by Seanchan damane.

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Sorry, I guess I didn't make it clear. Yes, I know that is from the Essanik cycle. That is the point of my question. Many times I have read here people claim that the Essanik cycle is invalid because it was "corrupted" or false, but I've never seen any evidence of that beyond a vague reference to Ishamael doing something, sometime, somewhere in Seanchan. But if those prophecies are coming true as well why would any of them be considered false, and how do you choose which are true and which false until after the fact?

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Sorry, I guess I didn't make it clear. Yes, I know that is from the Essanik cycle. That is the point of my question. Many times I have read here people claim that the Essanik cycle is invalid because it was "corrupted" or false, but I've never seen any evidence of that beyond a vague reference to Ishamael doing something, sometime, somewhere in Seanchan. But if those prophecies are coming true as well why would any of them be considered false, and how do you choose which are true and which false until after the fact?

 

You can't.

 

That's why it's not usually talked about.

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Many times I have read here people claim that the Essanik cycle is invalid because it was "corrupted" or false, but I've never seen any evidence of that beyond a vague reference to Ishamael doing something, sometime, somewhere in Seanchan.

 

Let me clear this one bit of confusion up.

 

Randland have The Karaethon Cycle.

Then Hawkwings armies went across the ocean, taking with them several copies of the Karaethon Cycle.

Allegedly, Ishamael corrupted the copies that were with the army - the most commonly quoted difference is

Randland version: bind the nine moons to serve him

Seanchan version: bow before the Crystal Throne

(Although speculation has sometimes wondered whether both could come true, it is generally accepted that the Seanchan version is corrupt and invalid).

 

Then once Hawkwings armies had conquered Seanchan a damane gave the prophecies called The Essanik Cycle. These are unknown in Randland. It has been hinted, but not confirmed that Essanik may also be corrupted (See source below). Much more about Essanik was due in the Outrigger novels.

 

NOTE: encyclopedia-wot seems to claim that Essanik is just a translation of Karaethon. That is incorrect per: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dcjspjqg_98jfkf8vz3 Search for Essanik. The Gathering Storm Book Tour, Sam Weller's Bookstore, Salt Lake City 2 November 2009 - Matt Hatch reporting. I'll submit a correction to them in a minute.

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I think most people who say that the Essanik Cycle has been corrupted are confusing it with the Seanchan version of the Karaethon Cycle, because I know of no evidence or hint to suggest so (Brandon said that they did their best to preserve it, suggesting they didn't do a perfect work, but that's to be expected and doesn't imply intentional corruption in my mind). That's why I answered the way I did. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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The Essanik Cycle might be considered a form of Dark Prophecy since they were twisted by someone of the Shadow.

A comment in the books::

Prophecies from the Shadow, dark prophecies, had an unfortunate way of being fulfilled as well as prophecies from the Light.

Great Hunt Chapter 7

 

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The Essanik Cycle might be considered a form of Dark Prophecy since they were twisted by someone of the Shadow.

A comment in the books::

Prophecies from the Shadow, dark prophecies, had an unfortunate way of being fulfilled as well as prophecies from the Light.

Great Hunt Chapter 7

 

 

Essanik has only been hinted at as being corrupted. Not confirmed as.

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Essanik has not been hinted as corrupted. The Karetheon Cycle exists in Seanchan as well, and it is that which was hinted as corrupted--the prophecies brought by Luthair were NOT the Essanik Cycle.

Essanik was hinted at as being corrupted by BS on tour

The Gathering Storm Book Tour, Sam Weller's Bookstore, Salt Lake City 2 November 2009 - Matt Hatch reporting

Question: We know that the Karaethon Cycle and the Essanik Cycle are different. Is that because there were different contributors to each, or some other reason (like tampering by Ishamael)? Which is more correct?

Answer: The Essanik cycle had only in Seanchan and there were different contributors. Which is more correct? I’m not going to say which is more correct. There has been tampering…

Question: In both?

Answer: People are not perfect, alright? Let’s just say that and there are lots of forces at work. The Essanik cycle, they have tried to preserve it as perfectly as they can. If the Outriggers ever get written there will be more information about what the Essanik cycle is. It is had only in Seanchan. It was given by damane in Seanchan, so nobody knows about it on the main continent.

It's in the theoryland database if you want to check that reference.

If you read my first post in this thread you would know that I know that KC and Essanik are different and that Essanik is only had is Seanchan.

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And yet you completely disregard the fact that I have already referred to that quote. Allow me to reiterate. There's nothing to suggest tempering in the ESSANIK Cycle that I'm aware of. Since we know there has been tempering with the Seanchan Karaethon Cycle, Brandon's comment most likely refers to that. Saying they 'did their best to preserve it' doesn't imply that someone had INTENTIONALLY tempered with it.

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And yet you completely disregard the fact that I have already referred to that quote. Allow me to reiterate. There's nothing to suggest tempering in the ESSANIK Cycle that I'm aware of. Since we know there has been tempering with the Seanchan Karaethon Cycle, Brandon's comment most likely refers to that. Saying they 'did their best to preserve it' doesn't imply that someone had INTENTIONALLY tempered with it.

 

Hmmm....

 

I think you (and possibly Luckers now I think about it) mis-understand what I mean by corrupted and tampered.

 

By corrupted I mean that it has changed in some way from what was originally said. I didn't intend my use of the word to imply that any changes have been done maliciously.

 

In the same way that a corrupted hard-disk does not mean it was maliciously infected by a virus, as a corrupted hard disk can mean that it has malfunctioned randomly.

 

If I meant maliciously corrupted I would have either said that, mentioned the cause, or said they had been tampered - in the same way a hard-drive cannot just randomly be tampered with, a tampered hard-drive has to be deliberatly targeted.

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The Essanik Cycle might be considered a form of Dark Prophecy since they were twisted by someone of the Shadow.

A comment in the books::

Prophecies from the Shadow, dark prophecies, had an unfortunate way of being fulfilled as well as prophecies from the Light.

Great Hunt Chapter 7

Essanik has only been hinted at as being corrupted. Not confirmed as.

Did you mean to quote my post, or a different post?

If my post, I used term 'twisted' instead of 'corrupted'.

 

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The Essanik Cycle might be considered a form of Dark Prophecy since they were twisted by someone of the Shadow.

A comment in the books::

Prophecies from the Shadow, dark prophecies, had an unfortunate way of being fulfilled as well as prophecies from the Light.

Great Hunt Chapter 7

Essanik has only been hinted at as being corrupted. Not confirmed as.

Did you mean to quote my post, or a different post?

If my post, I used term 'twisted' instead of 'corrupted'.

 

I meant your post as you appeared to be saying that it was fact that a DarkFriend (or similar) had deliberately messed with Essanik, when we only have a small hint that it might have been.

 

If that is not how you intended your words to be interpreted then I do of course apologise.

 

Relatedly, I agree entirely that if it has indeed been messed with deliberately by a Darkfriend then it might well be Dark Prophecy.

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