A'dam

[NetSlider]

Who made first a'dam?

 

(what? you thought there would be more? :))

[Beer Rot]

The first a'dam was made by Deain Sedai, a Seanchan woman who wanted to assist Luthair Paendrag Mondwin in his consolidation  of the continent by giving him an instrument to control female channelers who opposed him.

[mb]

That info is in the guide.

Also in Great Hunt.

 

[acerbus80]

The first a'dam was made by Deain Sedai, a Seanchan woman who wanted to assist Luthair Paendrag Mondwin in his consolidation  of the continent by giving him an instrument to control female channelers who opposed him.

 

Didn't Deain end up getting collared herself?

[Entretamis]

talking about a'dams, we know demane can not link because basically they are in a forced link with a sul'dam, how ever can a sul'dam hold the leash to a damane who holds the leash to another damane, and so forth...i guessing this should be able to happen with up to 13 women.... and 12 a'dams. any thoguhts?

 

if this is possible the seachans could many powerful weapons.

[Adella]

The first a'dam was made by Deain Sedai, a Seanchan woman who wanted to assist Luthair Paendrag Mondwin in his consolidation  of the continent by giving him an instrument to control female channelers who opposed him.

 

Didn't Deain end up getting collared herself?

 

Yes, the first thing Luthair Paendrag Mondwin did with the many a'dam Deain made was to slap one on her.

[acerbus80]

talking about a'dams, we know demane can not link because basically they are in a forced link with a sul'dam, how ever can a sul'dam hold the leash to a damane who holds the leash to another damane, and so forth...i guessing this should be able to happen with up to 13 women.... and 12 a'dams. any thoguhts?

 

if this is possible the seachans could many powerful weapons.

 

I doubt it's possible.  Circles are formed voluntarily, with each channeller allowing a single person to control the flows.

 

A'dams work only one way, and I doubt that it's possible for one channeller that's being controlled by another to control another.

[Entretamis]

well the a'dam forms an involontary circle, something that was not even though of during AoL, that is according to Moradin. He says something along th eline that the new age channelers were able to do things in the Aol could not, like heal severign and involontary rings. so if an involontary ring is possible with 2 people why not 3 or 4 or 13

[NetSlider]

No, I remember her to be leashed the last and "her scream could be heard for a long time afterward" or something like that. I just wanted to see in what book it's mentioned. I guess I'll check out tGH.

[Arath Faringal]

The first a'dam was made by Deain Sedai, a Seanchan woman who wanted to assist Luthair Paendrag Mondwin in his consolidation  of the continent by giving him an instrument to control female channelers who opposed him.

 

Didn't Deain end up getting collared herself?

 

Yes, the first thing Luthair Paendrag Mondwin did with the many a'dam Deain made was to slap one on her.

 

Not quite.  She wasn't collared until the discovery that learners could control the link.  Until that time, all the sul'dam were also full channelers.  Having 'non-channelers' in control effectively doubled the number of damane.

[acerbus80]

well the a'dam forms an involontary circle, something that was not even though of during AoL, that is according to Moradin. He says something along th eline that the new age channelers were able to do things in the Aol could not, like heal severign and involontary rings. so if an involontary ring is possible with 2 people why not 3 or 4 or 13

 

The way I see it is that in a circle, one channeller controls all the flows of the rest, no ter angreal necessary.  The flows don't have to pass along in a line from one channeller to another until they get to the leader of the circle.

 

A chain of suldam/damane complicates things.  While collared, a damane has virtually no control.  So how is a collared damane with no control going to control another damane collared to her?

 

Another aspect is that in a circle, all the channellers powers are combined, but not to the sum of all their strengths.  As far as we know, when a suldam links to a damane, the strength is completely dependent on the damane...there is no accumulation of power between the suldam and the damane.  Seems to me if a chain of suldams/damanes were created, the strength or power of the weaves being used would only be equal to that of the particular damane channelling.

 

Assuming that a chain is possible, I see no evidence that it would be akin to a circle in the aspect of increasing the amount of the power that could be used by whoever is in control.  The suldam would only be as strong as the damane.

[Vassili]

Might Ishamael have been involved in making the first a'dam?

 

1.) We know Ishy tampered with the Seanchan prophecies, and added in a part about the Dragon kneeling to the Crystal Throne. He also tells Rand in TGH that he sent Luthair Pendraeg across the Sea deliberately inorder to seal one of two dooms. However, without the a'dam the Seanchan could never have consolidated their power and risen as a force capable of confronting Rand. So why would he have gone through all the trouble of establishing the Seanchan Empire unless he at least knew about the a'dam beforehand?

 

Of course, he may have "accidently" discovered that such a thing as an a'dam existed, and decided to exploit it within his plans. But if Deain Sedai had just created it, that means it appeared at the exact same time Ishamael was oven in Seanchan weaving his webs. That would be one hell of a coincidence.

 

2.) The only other devices we have seen that remotely compare to the a'dam all have two things in common: they were created at the end of the AoL, and they were created by darkfriends. One example is the binding chair mentioned by Sammael. Another one is the cour'svra used to control moghedien. The male a'dam in Tanchico also dates to this time, and considering its use and Nyneave's perception that it is filled with pain, it may also have been a DF device. Comments by Sammael suggest that after the Bore, but before the War of Power, there were many darkfriend channelers creating ter'angreal with evil purposes. He finds a stasis box belong to one of them.

 

So, I think Ishamael linked with this Deain and taught her the weaves to make a'dam.