Shadow over Fiddlesmouth Game Thread [GAME OVER, TOWN WINS]

[Alys Kinch]

Well, Verbal, I hope your lie or misinformation is worth my coronor reading townie.

 

I guess figuring the rest out is up to you guys... like Lav's result or why I would bother to lie to a person who just claimed tracker...

[Alys Kinch]

Verb, if that is how you use Occam, you lost or ignored info.

 

If anyone role blocked me, speak up.

 

The rest of you, pile on the votes. Hurry me out of here; my coroner is all the proof I will ever need. Too bad it will be too late for you.

[Hybrid]

Hybrid, I haven't played with her enough to know her tells. Also, something like that isn't enough alone, though alone it is susicious and worth noting. Two reasons why I haven't voted her.

Neither have I.  I just think it feels more genuine than the "I'm lost and confused" scum tell.  If she was scum, I think she'd be doing less flip-flopping and agonizing and more straight up telling us she was lost.  That's just my opinion, of course.

[Hybrid]

But coming from a guy who usually plays straight to the point, this is suspicious.  Unless I'm missing your role details, no result just means she doesn't have a role. 

 

Interestingly enough, I am playing straight to the point.  I was actually being so direct that it effectively disguised my true info (by design, of course  :P).  Details to follow.

 

I am straight vanilla townie. I haven't even done a thief attempt half the nights. I have nothing but what you have seen on thread. WIFOM it any which way, but occam's razor may be your friend here. I haven't done anything (day 1 dpr theft excluded, pm'd twice on dead players, theif play today, I think is my total), so what would there be to see? Which exactly matches Lav's result.

 

Doubt that.  Details to follow.

 

 

Ok, here goes.  Alys, I think you're lying.  I said I received no result from you.  However, I never stated what the results I get from players that are potentially roleless innocents.  If a player doesn't perform a night action, I get results that they didn't do anything or go anywhere.  Buuut, if they do something, I'm told who they visit.  Such as I know who Pete visited last night.

 

Also, Alys, I received a no results for you.  If you were a roleless innocent, I think it's more likely that I would receive results that you did nothing....which I have gotten on a few other players.  The results (or lack thereof) I received for you implies something else - either I was blocked, which is why I tried it again, or your role stops it somehow.  I highly doubt I was blocked the only 2 times I tried to track you, so I'm going with either a relic or your role.  If the latter, you aren't roleless.  And I'm not worried about outing the Healer here, as that isn't a typical side effect for that role.

 

And if you'd like to bring up Occam's Razor, it tells me you are scum.  The simplest explanation is usually the correct one, right?  Well, the simplest explanation is that you are not a roleless innocent, and are a LLL.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Alys[/glow]

Interestingly enough, that was what I thought you were getting at, but I didn't want to give you ideas if I was wrong.  ;D

 

OK, I'll bite.  I've been quiet the last couple of days because

a) I was beating Mass Effect 2, which is a ridiculously awesome game

b) Lavinya has been so accurate in catching the scum (and I'm lazy) that I didn't really have any people I'd been watching.

 

In other words, I don't have any better ideas, and we do have a cushion if Alys is innocent.  If Alys is mafia, I'm not as worried about the second win condition, because she's been acting as helpful as possible (i.e. not trying to get lynched).

 

[glow=red,2,300]Alys[/glow]

[Verbal32]

Well, Verbal, I hope your lie or misinformation is worth my coronor reading townie.

 

I guess figuring the rest out is up to you guys... like Lav's result or why I would bother to lie to a person who just claimed tracker...

 

Why you would lie is irrelevant to how I phrased my question(s).  You used the info I gave you to make it sound like it worked for you being a roleless innocent.  But I didn't tell you how I'm informed of the results of my tracking.  I have received results that seem to align with either a roleless, or somebody who holstered for the night.  But that's not the result I got for you - both times it was a "no result", which is different.  It doesn't suggest roleless anything.

 

Verb, if that is how you use Occam, you lost or ignored info.

 

Really?  Isn't Occam's Razor the easiest and most plausible explanation is usually the correct one?  Soooo, the most plausible explanation given the information I've provided is that you are lying.  A roleless innocent likely would not have given me the "no results" I get from you.  I've received a "did nothing" results from other players, so I would probably believe them on being roleless, but not you.  Obviously, there could have been third party interference, but that is why I tried it twice before revealing the info.

 

And I don't think asking for the lynch and claiming the coroner shall set you free is going to make people lay off.  :-\

[Hybrid]

P.S. If Alys is mafia, this will officially be the most ridiculous game of mafia I have ever played.  I didn't have to even think for half of it because you finder types were too successful.  >:(

[Alys Kinch]

Verb, I don't expect anyone to lay off. I don't expect the culprit to stand and admit it. Does not change that I am roleless.

 

Occam's razor uses all available info to do what you said. It is used to make an informed decision, not to ignore other available info. But like I said, whatever. I can't argue against your supposed results, so I am not going to.

 

I responded to your statements about Pete how I did because... well, it's damn well true. You know a tracker has no clue what the third party did, so you went with what you wanted.

 

Town, enjoy your decision to kill Verbal tomorrow.

[Jeran]

I know that as far certain ones go I am 2/3 times more likely to know as much as there is to know about them as anyone. I am 1/3 times outsmarted on them. If you see what I'm saying, nothing can be figured out until all 3 of the set are in one persons control! 

 

Interesting if you are town, scary if you're not.

[Alys Kinch]

"Paranoia, paranoia, everyone's coming to get me."

 

Dpr, where is the vote count???

[Alys Kinch]

Two/five votes to go. Unless I can't see one or one doesn't count. Make it official, guys, Dpr.

 

Alys- Verb, Aemon, Hybrid

Tigs- Lav

Aemon- Alys

[Tigraine]

[glow=red,2,300]unvote      Alys[/glow]

[Naeann]

By my notes from Kivs this is the proper vote count.  Dpr can correct me if he needs to. (I prefer spankings)

 

Vote Count

 

Alys (3) - Aemon,  Verbal, Hybrid, Tigs

Tigs()- Lavi

Aemon(1)- Alys

 

5 to lynch

[aemonkristen]

Interesting. We have 2 people with no vote.

[aemonkristen]

Does anyone know if Pookie has posted this game day? Or on any of the forums recently? I'm just wondering if he got silenced.

[Alys Kinch]

Pookie is a she.

 

Pookie, Danya, and Jeran are the only non voters, right?

[aemonkristen]

Right. Jeran and Danya have both posted. I keep calling Pookie a he. I have no idea why. I think I know why we have some non-voters but I'm not allowed to tell anyone how I know. Suffice it to say that I lost my day 2 vote in a similar fashion, I believe.

[Alys Kinch]

That basically read like I found the relic that steals votes, but I never cared to say anything about it till now. Go figure, coming from an actual, proven and admitted LLL. If you are miraculously innocent, way to go teamwork...

 

Jeran, any reason you haven't cast?

 

I am sure Danya knows the responibility of her double vote and hammer.

 

I am not sure about Verb; it is equally likely that he just made his biggest mistake as it is that this was an actual mafia ploy. I figure he gets to die either way after my coroner report.

 

My top three are currently Hybrid, Aemon, and Tigs.

 

Be careful if I am right. Pookie may be up for a modkill; not as secure as you might wish.

[Jeran]

There is no game related reason why I haven't voted...just busy with dinner and band practice (and not in a hurry either). 

 

Lavinya - what, specifically was the reading on Alys?  And do you have any information that is shareable and relevant?

[MsDanya]

yeah, tho I did see one unvote there, on alys. So the votecount should either way look like this, right?

 

Alys (3) - Aemon,  Verbal, Hybrid

Tigs()- Lavi

Aemon(1)- Alys

 

Not voting: Danya, Jeran, Pookie

 

I have two votes, dont wanna just waste them.

[Naeann]

[glow=red,2,300]unvote      Alys[/glow]

 

The considerable spaces lead me to believe she unvoted and then revoted for Alys.. not realizing that she already had her vote there.

[aemonkristen]

Or she may have been doingit to show us without saying anything that she cannot vote. I'll say it again, Alys, I am under orders from a superior power to not say anything about how I lost my vote. Terribly sorry that having to wait for it to happen to someone else so I can cross reference and bypass the orders governing me inconveniences you. I don't feel like getting modkilled for speaking out of turn.

[Verbal32]

Town, enjoy your decision to kill Verbal tomorrow.

 

I love it.  I'm going by the available information to me (please explain exactly what it is that I'm ignoring), and you think I should be lynched for it if I'm wrong?  I'm not a Finder - I'm a Tracker.  I can't even say that you visited somebody, because I don't know.  I am voting you because your explanation doesn't match the results I got for you when compared to others.

 

Put yourself in my shoes - is it really that bad of a decision for me?

 

Danya, can you hold off on your hammer votes until either Jeran or Pookie (whichever isn't silenced, if either is...)?  I'd like to hear what everybody has to say before a lynch is completed.  Speaking of which, when is our deadline?

 

Oh Nae?  Nae!  *spanks*

[Naeann]

Yes Verb dear? ;D  *pinches his bum*

[Alys Kinch]

That is my point, Aemon. There are ways to toe the line, and I have yet to see a mod kill for toeing. Sitting on info doesn't help the town.

 

Verbal, no. You are voting me because my explanation doesn't fit with what you want to see.  is my being guilty really the only possible outcome of you seeing Pete coming to screw with me and dying? We both know trackers don't get enough info to make that assessment. I am pretty sure you are peeved that you couldn't see me when yoi wanted, but that does not mean it is my role that did it.

 

You ignore Lav's viewing, none have been wrong yet. You ignore me trying to get the town to work together. You ignore me being the first to out Dpr. You ignore me being one of the first on Anox. You ignore me figuring out that Aemon deliberately tried to plant false info, which none of you "townies" have bothered to act on. You ignore me trying to piece together the info to be sure the mafia really, really goes down with their final member, and trying to get the town to help. And that is just off the top of my head. Want me to reread to find more?

 

And Danya already deliberately held off. Mayhaps you should reread her statement instead of asking for her to wait.

[Verbal32]

That is my point, Aemon. There are ways to toe the line, and I have yet to see a mod kill for toeing. Sitting on info doesn't help the town.

 

Verbal, no. You are voting me because my explanation doesn't fit with what you want to see.  is my being guilty really the only possible outcome of you seeing Pete coming to screw with me and dying? We both know trackers don't get enough info to make that assessment. I am pretty sure you are peeved that you couldn't see me when yoi wanted, but that does not mean it is my role that did it.

 

You ignore Lav's viewing, none have been wrong yet. You ignore me trying to get the town to work together. You ignore me being the first to out Dpr. You ignore me being one of the first on Anox. You ignore me figuring out that Aemon deliberately tried to plant false info, which none of you "townies" have bothered to act on. You ignore me trying to piece together the info to be sure the mafia really, really goes down with their final member, and trying to get the town to help. And that is just off the top of my head. Want me to reread to find more?

 

And Danya already deliberately held off. Mayhaps you should reread her statement instead of asking for her to wait.

 

When you do that reread, please let me know the post where I said Pete came to see you and died.  I'm pretty sure I didn't say who he visited.  *checks*  Yup...didn't say.

 

I'm thinking you're guilty because of your answer to being roleless.  You're even referring to "your role" not necessarily being what stopped my tracking.....are you now saying you have one?  I thought you were roleless?

 

And I'm not ignoring the help you've provided to the town.  I'm just not going to automatically think that makes you a townie, as you know just as well as I that some people hide as scum by being helpful.

 

And I read Danya's statement - she said she doesn't wanna waste them....not that she isn't voting yet.  I specifically asked that we wait until all available people can post, which is not a misread or lack of reading of her statement.  ;)

 

Yes Verb dear? ;D  *pinches his bum*

 

I was looking for a deadline.  And a pinch.