Discovery of the WoT

[Rinkai]

How did the inhabitants of Randland find out about the wheel of time.

-Like the intro says, by the time it repeats itself no one remembers that it's a repeat.

-The Creator seems to be pretty hands off, so it's not likely that he would let the people in on the structure of their reality.

-The only active actors who realized the wheels mechanics are the DO and Ishy, which no one in the light would take seriously.

 

[Nightstrike]

Heroes of the Horn, Aelfinn/Eelfinn, Ogier, The Creator, people remembering past lives, ter'angreal,  Dreamers, Foretellers, ancient profecies (from Dreamers?)... I don't know how. But they seem to know somehow. RJ spoke of the world to be experiencing a cycling of different Ages, so they were probably right.

[Rinkai]

-Heroes of the horn don't exist with out a horn, which had to be made by some one with intimate knowledge of the world.

-How would the Aelfinn/Eelfinn or Orgiers find out about the wheel. They are at the same disadvantage as everyone else.

-Again the creator seems to be pretty hands off about the whole thing.

-People remembering their past lives would be so rare as to be dismissed as crazy.

-Ter' angreal must be made by some one. It's the same problem as the Horn.

-Dreamers only have access to other peoples dreams (which know nothing of the wheel), and the world of dreams. I suppose the people bound to the wheel exist there, but Brigitte said that she was the first to communicate to some one alive.

-And foretellers may be able to see into the future, but how would anyone be able to equate that to cyclical time? You would have to see so far into the future that you are actually looking at the past. And not only that, but you must recognize that what you are seeing is the past.

[Agitel]

Well, first of all, when an Age comes again, it's not the exact same as before, it's not a direct repeat, and every turning of the wheel creates a slightly different pattern, and after many turns the pattern can differ by a lot.

 

Anyway, not everything is forgotten, some things would likely continue, and once the Wheel of Time was perceived and the knowledge spread worldwide, it easily seems like a concept that would stick around. Not to mention that the wheel may INTEND that it's nature be known, anyway.

[Rinkai]

 

 

Anyway, not everything is forgotten, some things would likely continue, and once the Wheel of Time was perceived and the knowledge spread worldwide, it easily seems like a concept that would stick around. Not to mention that the wheel may INTEND that it's nature be known, anyway.

 

" and even myth is long forgotten when the age that gave it birth comes again."

In our world, in the space of only a few thousand years, entire religions with thousands of followers have been forgotten. I imagine that one turn of the wheel is much longer than that. And nothing man can make is able to stand up to that amount of time.

 

I also don't think the wheel is a sentient being. The hole thing about the wheel willing something is just like us saying that it's up to fate. We don't actually think that fate is a being capable of thought or action. The pattern may be a different story. But, the pattern is controlled by the creator, who seems content to not interfere too much.

[OptimusPrime]

" and even myth is long forgotten when the age that gave it birth comes again."

 

People like Herid Fel and Elan Morin would have figured it out, whatever age they were from.

[crazyfool]

-People remembering their past lives would be so rare as to be dismissed as crazy.

 

Not really, people will believe alot of things. When prophets told everyone they were given messages from God people didn't believe they were crazy.

[CTM]

Science and philosophy. they can touch saidin and saidar. The forces that turn the wheel are observable to scientists.

[Agitel]

 

 

Anyway, not everything is forgotten, some things would likely continue, and once the Wheel of Time was perceived and the knowledge spread worldwide, it easily seems like a concept that would stick around. Not to mention that the wheel may INTEND that it's nature be known, anyway.

 

" and even myth is long forgotten when the age that gave it birth comes again."

In our world, in the space of only a few thousand years, entire religions with thousands of followers have been forgotten. I imagine that one turn of the wheel is much longer than that. And nothing man can make is able to stand up to that amount of time.

 

I also don't think the wheel is a sentient being. The hole thing about the wheel willing something is just like us saying that it's up to fate. We don't actually think that fate is a being capable of thought or action. The pattern may be a different story. But, the pattern is controlled by the creator, who seems content to not interfere too much.

 

I've seen a quote on this website where Jordan explained what happened in The Great Hunt, with Rand and Ishamael fighting in the sky. He described the wheel as a really complex computer that makes corrections to itself when it needs to.

 

Second of all, the catechism of the wheel isn't something obscure, that seems to be something every man, woman and child in this world is aware of. It's not only for the educated, it's not just something contained in books. While I'm sure much of the more specific knowledge on the nature of the wheel is lost (for example, the things Herid Fel and Elan Morin came up with) are lost, about the repeated cycles and all of that, and the specifics), the catechism remains. It's simple, it's the basis, and perhaps the most consistent piece of knowledge.

[Mr Ares]

-Heroes of the horn don't exist with out a horn, which had to be made by some one with intimate knowledge of the world.

That's not true. The Heroes are part of the Pattern's self-correcting mechanism, and existed before the Horn. It just tapped into something that was already there.

[Thorn]

The origin of the Horn is also deliberately ambiguous. We know it predates the Age of Legends and was considered a "historical artifact" at that time; it's inscribed in the Old Tongue, but according to a long-ago poster on another WoT forum I used to visit who  (the Wheel of Time Video Game forum) who asked Jordan personally, that inscription was written onto the Horn during the AoL.

 

Personally, I half-suspect the Horn sits in tel'aran'rhiod most of the time and just gets kicked out into the real world every so often. I have a hard time believing it was created by a specific individual human being.

[mb]

-Dreamers only have access to other peoples dreams (which know nothing of the wheel), and the world of dreams.

That describes Dreamwalkers.

Dreamers have dreams about possible futures in addition to the Dreamwalker abilities.

 

 

How was the Wheel discovered?  Maybe some channeler/channelers saw the Wheel/Pattern inside a Gateway or through some alternate dimension.

Or maybe the Wheel is something characters believe in without knowing whether it exists or not; in which case the Wheel was either something someone made up or something where the discovery was forgotten.

 

[Nightstrike]

The Wheel is like some really special computer. A really advanced one. Maybe it's possible to retrieve info from it somehow? Through ter'angreal? Or maybe that's what Dreamers do all the time?