Who is the old man who saved Mat from the Gholam?

[Arkelias]

They've drawn quite a few parallels between him and Jaim Farstrider, especially the comments he has about Jaim deserting his wife.  Have we gotten confirmation that's who it is or am I missing something?

 

Thanks for the help!

[Kadere]

I think about 99.99999999999999% of WoT fans agree that Noal is Jaim Farstrider. It's kinda obvious by CoT and KoD. We don't have a sold conformation yet, though I'm sure we will in WoT 13, if not in TGS. I personally have never seen anyone come up with another theory on who he is. His problems with his memories in ACoS even shines a giant light on the fact that he's Jaim.

[dholm]

Perhaps he is no more than what he says he is -- Jain's cousin.

[Luckers]

If that's the case he's in love with Jain's wife. That reaction he has is WAY too personal to just be cousinly love.

 

But no, Noal's case and Jain's are too similar--it strikes me as unlikely to the point of impossibility that both Jain and his cousin went through almost the exact same things. The memory damage, the travelling, and so on.

 

 

[OptimusPrime]

If that's the case he's in love with Jain's wife. That reaction he has is WAY too personal to just be cousinly love.

 

But no, Noal's case and Jain's are too similar--it strikes me as unlikely to the point of impossibility that both Jain and his cousin went through almost the exact same things. The memory damage, the travelling, and so on.

 

 

 

I thought the same, Jain happened to be used by Ishamael, Noal happens to be seen with Sammael, Graendal and Shiane... definitely not coincedence.

 

Where was this incedent about Jaims wife?

[Luckers]

Noal happens to be seen with Sammael, Graendal and Shiane...

 

He isn't actually seen with Graendal. Graendal's 'old man' is Alsalam. He's not seen with Sammael or Shiane either--he's seen to be aware of Shiane and Carriden. Sammael made an appearence at that time, but Noal was not aware of it.

 

Where does Noal reveal who he is in love with?

 

It's in KoD. Noal speaks bitterly of how Jain left his wife to die without him. Too bitterly.

[OptimusPrime]

He isn't actually seen with Graendal. Graendal's 'old man' is Alsalam. He's not seen with Sammael or Shiane either--he's seen to be aware of Shiane and Carriden. Sammael made an appearence at that time, but Noal was not aware of it.

 

No, Im not on about Graendals old man. look at the time when Mat first meets Noal in ACoS, he sees Noal first with Shiane and two people who just happen to match Sammael and Graendals description. Its when Mat is at the Silver Circuit and Nalesean says his famous line "You should have bought her [shiane]" a trinket.

[Arath Faringal]

Mat saw Noal and Shiane with "a tall fellow who looked like a stork, in green silk and a gold braid" and "a nicely plumped, full-mouthed young woman who appeared about to come out of her dress at the top".

 

Sammael is not a tall man.  He is only of average height, a fact which upsets him a bit.  The woman described doesn't seem like Graendal either.  She's always described as beautiful and voluptuous.  Not nicely plumped.  The scene of a race track doesn't really seem like her thing either. 

[Luckers]

In addition to that my comparison between Noal and Jain was that Noal has memory problems as a result of some terrible experience, and Jain was tortured by Ishamael. Look up the WoT FAQ for more.

[wavemistresstrammell]

How disappointing would it be if he really were just his cousin? I think I might actually cry because I always thought he was really Jain too.

[Wesley_O]

I could have sworn there was a quote form RJ asking if Noal was Jain Farstrider and he said, "Most likely."

[mb]

I could have sworn there was a quote form RJ asking if Noal was Jain Farstrider and he said, "Most likely."

From the FAQ site::

Is Noal Charin really Jain Farstrider?

 

Noal Charin is the old geezer we first met in A Crown of Swords wandering around Ebou Dar. He joined up with Mat and spent the last two books crossing Altara with Mat and Tuon. Robert Jordan has not flat out stated, "Noal Charin is Jain Farstrider." Nevertheless, Noal's comments and attitudes in Knife of Dreams make it nearly certain that they are one and the same.

http://www.dragonmount.com/Faq/index.php?action=artikel&cat=12&id=469&artlang=en

 

[safwd]

Noal is Jain.

Im as sure of that as i was that Taim was Demandred.

Hmm, i guess i was wrong on that one.

 

If Noal really is just Jain's cousin then that would be very anticlimatic. But i dont think that is the case.