AMoL to be Divided into 3 Volumes - What would RJ say?

[Luckers]

Is that in some way related to my comment that the use of numerals and underlining was excessive?

 

 

[vainebekonnes]

Sorry, misunderstood what you thought to be excessive.  My bad!  ;D

[Mr Ares]

How dare you question my outrage. My absurd geekiness grants me that right, and I challange anyone who says differently.

ha ha ha

 

i bow to your absurd geekiness... while i aggree that you have an absolute right to express your opinion i still do not think you have any right to be outraged. :P

I say Luckers should be denied the right to be outraged, provided everyone who is happy with the decision is likewise denied the right to that happiness. We should all be completely neutral on the issue. It's only fair.

 

I like that it's three books because I've got lots more to look forward to.

You have just as much to look forward to, just in three installments as opposed to two or one.

[Jethro]

Its the waiting that will annoy me. I reckon AMoL (or whatever) has enough plots ready to be dealt with, enough so that this book could be as good as any bit in Wheel of Time, all the way through. I dont mind it being more than one volume because we will get enough story.

 

Anyway, as time goes on I am becoming more and more skeptical about the whole thing. I'll still get the books obviously but Im abit dubious now

[benr]

 

I like that it's three books because I've got lots more to look forward to.

You have just as much to look forward to, just in three installments as opposed to two or one.

 

NO, because with one or two books, we would either have less story, or a longer wait for the next book.  And much less posting time, between the books.  And maybe it's more, because we can get one or two more prologues.

[Luckers]

Quote from: Osan`gar on March 31, 2009, 08:28:27 AM

Quote from: Luckers on March 30, 2009, 08:52:09 AM

How dare you question my outrage. My absurd geekiness grants me that right, and I challange anyone who says differently.

ha ha ha

 

i bow to your absurd geekiness... while i aggree that you have an absolute right to express your opinion i still do not think you have any right to be outraged.

 

I didn't see this before. *smiles slowly, aware that Ares is playing him*.

 

Either way, Osan'gar, so we're allowed an opinion--just so long as its not the result of an emotional investment involving years.

 

I think i speak for myself when i say, go screw yourself champ.

 

Said with love and puppies of course. :D

[Guest The Thin Inn Keeper]

Honestly, did you bother to read the full thread at all?

Yes, thanks.

 

And what I got from your response was that you jumped the gun and threw a fit when we didn't have the full information and in so doing made some very unpleasant statements about people who, frankly, have much more invested in this series than you.

[Osan`gar]

Quote from: Osan`gar on March 31, 2009, 08:28:27 AM

Quote from: Luckers on March 30, 2009, 08:52:09 AM

How dare you question my outrage. My absurd geekiness grants me that right, and I challange anyone who says differently.

ha ha ha

 

i bow to your absurd geekiness... while i aggree that you have an absolute right to express your opinion i still do not think you have any right to be outraged.

 

I didn't see this before. *smiles slowly, aware that Ares is playing him*.

 

Either way, Osan'gar, so we're allowed an opinion--just so long as its not the result of an emotional investment involving years.

 

I think i speak for myself when i say, go screw yourself champ.

 

Said with love and puppies of course. :D

 

glad you threw the puppies in there or that would have hurt like hell ;)

[Gentled Ben]

 

I like that it's three books because I've got lots more to look forward to.

You have just as much to look forward to, just in three installments as opposed to two or one.

 

NO, because with one or two books, we would either have less story, or a longer wait for the next book.  And much less posting time, between the books.  And maybe it's more, because we can get one or two more prologues.

No, we would have the same amount of story. If we gain anything at all, we gain some fluff needed to make two coherent splits in the otherwise seamless story, and which is it: more time between books, or less time to post between them? It can't be both.

 

I think the main difference between two books and one, is that with two books, perhaps neither comes out right before Christmas, whereas with three books, they can be certain that all of them come out just before Christmas.

[benr]

 

I like that it's three books because I've got lots more to look forward to.

You have just as much to look forward to, just in three installments as opposed to two or one.

 

NO, because with one or two books, we would either have less story, or a longer wait for the next book.  And much less posting time, between the books.  And maybe it's more, because we can get one or two more prologues.

No, we would have the same amount of story. If we gain anything at all, we gain some fluff needed to make two coherent splits in the otherwise seamless story, and which is it: more time between books, or less time to post between them? It can't be both.

 

I think the main difference between two books and one, is that with two books, perhaps neither comes out right before Christmas, whereas with three books, they can be certain that all of them come out just before Christmas.

 

I guess I'm trusting BS's opinion on this more than yours.

[Luckers]

Benr--that is BS's opinion. He directly stated it--no additions. No extra fluff at all.

[Gentled Ben]

We must have read different blogs then, because the one I read did not mention having lots more to look forward to by splitting the story. It mentioned getting the same story in three installments rather than one or two.

 

Luckers, I think he did say that he had to add 1000 words to the first book in order for the split to make sense, so that's the fluff I had in mind. It is still not lots to look forward to, and it should be an isolated incident, as he is anticipating the next split.

[Jellybelly]

I highly recommend that some of you work on your reading comprehension.

 

1) The "fluff" - incidentally consisting of 25 000 words, not 1000, which would equal about two to four pages - Gentled Ben is referencing is a scene which Sanderson would have written regardless of the split. He has simply relocated the scene within the timeline to give screen time to a character who would otherwise have been left out of the book entirely. Very few of us should take offense at that, as manipulating the timeline is something Jordan did quite frequently.

 

2) Sanderson has made a conscious choice of making this book as large as it needs to be. That decision was made due to the fact that he did not want to cut material provided by RJ's various notes. Sanderson's notes suggest that if he had been forced to cram everything into one volume, he would have had to remove much of said material. It should be painfully obvious that if such a decision was made, we would not have received all of this material.

[Casco]

Its been a very long wait and will still be a long wait yet to come for the ending, but seriously come on...we are getting Three{3} more novels of WoT, not just 1, and one of them is landing in our laps this Nov. with 2 more on the way just 1 year apart.  I know many of you are gonna reply that its just one novel split into 3 parts...get over it please.  This will be 3 novels, each roughly the same size as every other book in the series thus far with a tiny subtitle of AMoL in regards to Robert Jordan's Wishes and Legacy.

 

Need i point out again that we are not gaining any new material. Brandon stated as much--the only difference is that now that material will be in three--Three(3)--as opposed to just one--umm... One(1).  So that argument is just plain silly--and why add the numeral in addition to the underlining? Doesn't that seem a bit excessive to you?

I dont want to put wood on the fire here.. but wasnt the whole series planed from the start to be 3 books?? Those 3 books turned out to be 11 books so far..and will be 3 more before the story ends. I still cant imagening how this can be a big deal at all. RJ did it everytime..so i think its pretty good that Brandon do the same :)

[Mr Ares]

I dont want to put wood on the fire here.. but wasnt the whole series planed from the start to be 3 books??

If he did, I'd like someone to provide an RJ quote saying that. Because I've never seen one, despite the trilogy thing being thrown around quite a lot.

 

Sanderson's notes suggest that if he had been forced to cram everything into one volume, he would have had to remove much of said material.

Depends how big a volume. For 400,000 words, he would need to leave stuff out. For one 800,000 word volume he wouldn't. Nor for two 400,000 word volumes (assuming it does end up at 800,000 words of course). We gain nothing, story wise, from it being in multiple volumes. Just as much book, just with more covers.

 

Said with love and puppies of course. :D

glad you threw the puppies in there or that would have hurt like hell ;)

Are you sure it doesn't anyway? After all, puppies could give you a nasty nip, and everyone knows love hurts.

[Gentled Ben]

I highly recommend that some of you work on your reading comprehension.

 

1) The "fluff" - incidentally consisting of 25 000 words, not 1000, which would equal about two to four pages - Gentled Ben is referencing is a scene which Sanderson would have written regardless of the split. He has simply relocated the scene within the timeline to give screen time to a character who would otherwise have been left out of the book entirely. Very few of us should take offense at that, as manipulating the timeline is something Jordan did quite frequently.

 

2) Sanderson has made a conscious choice of making this book as large as it needs to be. That decision was made due to the fact that he did not want to cut material provided by RJ's various notes. Sanderson's notes suggest that if he had been forced to cram everything into one volume, he would have had to remove much of said material. It should be painfully obvious that if such a decision was made, we would not have received all of this material.

Yikes, my word count was off. however, the fact that what was written would have been included anyway actually reinforces my position, rather than weakening it.

 

He says on his blog (I read carefully to ensure I comprehended it) that he made the decision, and received approval, to include everything in April of 2008. From that point on, we were getting everything, and it was still being planned as one book, not three. Not until January of 2009, 8 months after the decision to include all this material had been made, was the decision made to split the book. It should be painfully obvious that splitting the book did not add material to the story. We are not getting "lots more to look forward to" as a result of the split.

[Caramoore]

I can't believe all the complaining.. We all love reading these books or we wouldn't be here having this discussion. I for one look forward to reading these 3 books like I have no other. I just hope he settles "who killed Asmodean".. lol. Relax and enjoy

[Luckers]

Luckers, I think he did say that he had to add 1000 words to the first book in order for the split to make sense, so that's the fluff I had in mind. It is still not lots to look forward to, and it should be an isolated incident, as he is anticipating the next split.

 

Which amounts to about two to three pages--so i agree, not a great deal to look forward to. I still can't find that comment though--the only one i can find is the one about the 25,000 words he's writen to be included in the first third--yet he states directly that those were going to be written anyway so we've not gained anything.

 

I highly recommend that some of you work on your reading comprehension.

 

1) The "fluff" - incidentally consisting of 25 000 words, not 1000, which would equal about two to four pages - Gentled Ben is referencing is a scene which Sanderson would have written regardless of the split. He has simply relocated the scene within the timeline to give screen time to a character who would otherwise have been left out of the book entirely. Very few of us should take offense at that, as manipulating the timeline is something Jordan did quite frequently.

 

2) Sanderson has made a conscious choice of making this book as large as it needs to be. That decision was made due to the fact that he did not want to cut material provided by RJ's various notes. Sanderson's notes suggest that if he had been forced to cram everything into one volume, he would have had to remove much of said material. It should be painfully obvious that if such a decision was made, we would not have received all of this material.

 

Sanderson's notes suggest nothing of the sort--what he says is that in april 2008 he faced the choice of condensing the novel to ensure it would fit in one book, but that he chose then to write it as it should be with as many words as it requires. That was a decision that occurred long ago, and has no current impact.

 

For someone recommending we work on our 'reading comprehension' missing that seems a big misstep.

 

[benr]

Lots more to look forward to refers to many things; quantity, quality, time spent discussing with my family and all of you, my enjoyment.  Personally, I'm more excited now than I was before the announcement.  I'm sorry that some of you aren't, but it doesn't particularly bother me.  Wallow in your unhappiness all you want, if it makes you happy.

[Luckers]

You mistake us Benr. We arn't wallowing in unhappiness, we're just pointing out your incorrect about us gaining anything from this change. For instance we know we are gaining no extra quantity, and given Brandon's sincereness i doubt we'll be gaining quality--whichever way it went he would have made it the best quality.

 

I agree with his comments, and am happy that he has selected to do this based on those reasons. But there's no reason to event plus sides that dont exist either.

[Mr Ares]

time spent discussing with my family and all of you, my enjoyment.

But it won't be finished any sooner, so there is just as much time and just as much substance to discuss as ever there was. On the one hand, there is one thing we have certainly gained: a lot of debate on whether or not it should be two or three volumes.

[Shard]

I think in the end it will be better to have three manageble books rather then one huge unwieldly book that needs it's own wheel barrow. Sure its fun to say you'd want that but entirely another thing to actually try to have that in real life. Hardbacks as they are can be difficult to lug around in public as it is, I'd hate to try one three times the size they are NOW.

[benr]

time spent discussing with my family and all of you, my enjoyment.

But it won't be finished any sooner, so there is just as much time and just as much substance to discuss as ever there was. On the one hand, there is one thing we have certainly gained: a lot of debate on whether or not it should be two or three volumes.

 

Okay, okay - I give!  You're all correct, and I've been crying since the announcement - how can I go on? (With a nod to Mr Ares)

[Gentled Ben]

I think in the end it will be better to have three manageble books rather then one huge unwieldly book that needs it's own wheel barrow. Sure its fun to say you'd want that but entirely another thing to actually try to have that in real life. Hardbacks as they are can be difficult to lug around in public as it is, I'd hate to try one three times the size they are NOW.

Yup. My dad owned a big, Masonic Bible--it must have weighed twenty pounds, and I would hate to try to read something that big.

[Limedust]

I think that three volumes is probably a money grab . . . and I find that the argument relating to the size of the novel is disingenuous at best.  I own a few books (and granted they are large) that contain considerably more than 750k words.  If any of you are familiar with the Riverside Books (Milton, Shakes, Chaucer) you'll know that Shakes for instance has his entire body of work between two covers--that includes all of his sonnets.  If they were really smart and after the money, they would have done something similar for the last book.  I know that I would have purchased it. 

 

Oh, just an aside--I have to say that I am happy the book(s) are going to come out at all.  Louis L'amour died and F'ed everyone in the A by not leaving any real work on his sequel to The Walking Drum;  it's still one of the best books I have ever read and I hate L'amour forever for doing that to me.