Dirty Cops Mafia - GAME OVER!!!

[Jeran]

After thinking for a bit it would seem like an unusual time for a fake reveal.

 

The only Other I can think of is an SK but what do I know.  ;)

[CUBAREY]

I find it interesting that there is one player in particular who is trying to distract us from this.  Personal insults are the tools of the weak and the desperate. 

 

 

I am not trying to distract from Lia in all likelihood she is a dirty cop or solo player. What I was doing was suggesting that you my friend are also a prime suspect for at least a solo player which whoever the fourth dirt cop is should consider killing in the Night. Moreover, misdirection is the tool of the devious and guilty (which fits you to the tee)

 

[Myndrunner]

Possible "Others" and "More Others":

 

Mercenary - this is a player who wins with the winning team, Clean or Dirty Cops, as long as they survive to endgame.  In a sense, they are a double symp without knowing who the mafia is.  Players with this role tend to remain aloof, but would they necessarily come back with a Guilty alignment if viewed?

 

Serial Killer/Psycho Cop - This is the most likely.  A solo win player who also has a night kill.  In some variations, they submit three names and one is chosen at random, while in others they choose one name but they only have a 50% chance at a kill.  They are a threat to Clean and Dirty Cops.

 

Cult Leader - This is a player who can recruit another player to his/her cult each night.  Recruited players do not change in alignment, but they can win with the cult if the number of cult members are greater than the non-cult members, mafia and innocent alike.  A coroner report would not necessarily reveal that a player was a cult member, only the Cult Leader would have an actual Guilty alignment.

 

I think that a Vigilante player would still be aligned as a Clean Cop and therefore would not be an Other or More...Other.  Most Vigilante players either only get one shot for the whole game.  

 

Any other ideas?

 

I would also like to point out that the "More Other" alignment showed up on Day 2.  It was not a part of the original alignment key. Mod, can you confirm this?

[Myndrunner]

I find it interesting that there is one player in particular who is trying to distract us from this.  Personal insults are the tools of the weak and the desperate. 

 

 

I am not trying to distract from Lia in all likelihood she is a dirty cop or solo player. What I was doing was suggesting that you my friend are also a prime suspect for at least a solo player which whoever the fourth dirt cop is should consider killing in the Night. Moreover, misdirection is the tool of the devious and guilty (which fits you to the tee)

 

 

This guy is killing me!  The only thing he locked in on in my entire post was that.  Also, what do you mean by the fourth dirt cop?  Are there four? Or were there four and we're down to two now?

[Dark Justice]

Mynd: Im trying to post god damn it...  ;D

[Dark Justice]

Anyway. I guess I agree with most of your latest posts, enough for me to not post what I was planning. Apart from:

Cubarey, you are digging yourself a hole at the moment. The more you say now, the more supitious you look. At least to me.

[CUBAREY]

I find it interesting that there is one player in particular who is trying to distract us from this.  Personal insults are the tools of the weak and the desperate. 

 

 

I am not trying to distract from Lia in all likelihood she is a dirty cop or solo player. What I was doing was suggesting that you my friend are also a prime suspect for at least a solo player which whoever the fourth dirt cop is should consider killing in the Night. Moreover, misdirection is the tool of the devious and guilty (which fits you to the tee)

 

 

This guy is killing me!  The only thing he locked in on in my entire post was that.  Also, what do you mean by the fourth dirt cop?  Are there four? Or were there four and we're down to two now?

 

Well I agreed with everything else you had to say in that post so why comment sense others already had. I presume there were originally 4 dirty cops, Lia possibly being the Third that makes 1 (the fourth, alive and kicking on Night 3)

 

 

Mynd on your posts of others:

 

Are serial killers and vigilantes the only possible types that can kill (besides a second Mafia outfit).

 

Anyway. I guess I agree with most of your latest posts, enough for me to not post what I was planning. Apart from:

Cubarey, you are digging yourself a hole at the moment. The more you say now, the more supitious you look. At least to me.

 

Are you suggesting that you are the fourth dirty cop? If not view me tonight and confirm that i am innocent.

 

[Jeran]

I pointed out many pages ago that I thought that the More...other? appeared on Day 2.  When Mynd brought it up again I had a thought although I almost hate to say it after having mocked it twice already when Mynd said it.

 

Could a Cult Leader be the Other? And then after night 1 there was a Cult Recruit giving us More...other?

 

I can't remember how Mynd brought it up the first time.  Did you just bring it up as a possibilty did you provide any reasons?  I suppose I could look, but...so many pages.

[CUBAREY]

Mynd I am giving you a chance to redeem yourself in my eyes with this question. Since a recruited Cult member would not have appeared guilty in a coroners report, why would Tayla or peacesells (if they were recruited) have tried to steer people away from MCS? Simply to keep a highly suspected dirty cop alive or could there have been another reason.

 

Also how often are vigilantes limited to one kill.

[Toy and Minion]

I would also like to point out that the "More Other" alignment showed up on Day 2.  It was not a part of the original alignment key. Mod, can you confirm this?

 

I could.

[Dark Justice]

But you wont..  :(

 

Cubarey: No Im not trying to say I am the fourth mafia, but I think there might be a chance you are...

[Liathiana]

*sighs* I told you guys I could only get on at certain times a day. This is the first time I've been on since I posted last so of course I couldn't reveal yet! I had hoped not to reveal until Wednesday on the very off chance I might not be lynched (because I would probably be taken out that night if I did survive.) but it doesn't look very likely.

 

I am a vigilante. I however, have not yet used my ability because I wanted to see what kind of Cop I am before taking out anyone, in case I'd hit an innocent. Last night I discovered what kind I am, which won't do me much help now. I asked a question if I could reveal that earlier in the game and I believe the Mod said that wasn't allowed? If it is I will tell you whether I am Sane or Insane, etc.

[Toy and Minion]

Mod Clarification: 

 

You can reveal what kind of cop you THINK you are, but nothing about who you viewed or what the results were.  That all lies with the Finding Ballot.

[Liathiana]

Okay, I *think* based on different findings I did which I will not reveal! an Insane Cop (either that or a Random cop which would suck EVEN MORE haha).

[Dark Justice]

That would mean we have more than one vig... I dont buy it.

[Hybrid]

I agree with Dark Justice.

 

Let's assume I'm an insane cop or even a lying liar who lies, and that you're really innocent.  There were three kills last night.  By your own admission, you haven't used your role, so that makes four night killers.

1) Mafia

2) Likely Vig (Killer of mcs)

3) ??

4) Vig (Liathiana)

 

?? is likely either a vig or a serial killer.  I doubt there's a second mafia team by the numbers and by the alignments (Cops vs. Dirty Cops - what would be the third team?).  So that means... either 2 or 3 vig/cops.  Unlikely, in my opinion, since those vigs could potentially eliminate almost the entire mafia team in one night.  That is seriously overpowered in the innocents favor - since the vigs don't have to communicate with anyone to figure out which targets to hit.  And in my opinion 4 night kills seems too many for a 15 person game, even if the vig kills are one-shot.  Especially since every one of us is also a cop (except evil roles).

[Liathiana]

I'm only telling the truth as you will see at the end of this game :)

 

And mine was not just one-shot, I could use it any night and every night.

[Myndrunner]

Hmmm, lemme see if I have this correct.....

 

Hybrid has revealed that he has viewed Liathiana to be Guilty.  He also says that he viewed Catina as innocent.  He could be telling the truth.  He could be lying.  He could be telling the truth but also be a crazy cop who gets the opposite read.  He cannot be a Naive or Paranoid cop because he viewed Catina as innocent.

 

Liathiana is claiming to be a vigilante cop, who can read but also gets a night kill.  She claims to have not used her night kill up to this point because she is not sure what kind of cop she is.  She did not reveal her secondary job right away well after the lynch on her was clinched. 

 

Three people were night killed last night, two Innocent Cops (Danya & Peacesells) and one Dirty Cop (MCS). None of them were coded or aligned as Other or More...Other, or color coded any differently.  DSAGE says that the story in which they were killed does not discount that one of them may have been a bomb or that two of them may have been linked in some way. 

 

I guess what I am having a hard time with is 1) Why would the mafia risk a fake reveal this early in the game?  2) Why did Liathiana wait so long after her clinched lynch to reveal that she was a vigilante?  3) There cannot be more than one Vigilante in a game of this size. 

 

There must be a psycho cop and I strongly doubt that Lia is our vigilante.  Thoughts?

[Liathiana]

I told you why I waited? Here, I'll spell it out more plainly.

 

1. In the off chance that I might have survived on Wednesday, I didn't want to reveal just to be nked that night anyway.

 

2. I haven't accessed this thread since I posted yesterday, I don't have internet at home and currently I'm at the College's library.

 

And I do have a pretty damn good idea what type of cop I am after the results I got back from last night's find, which is that I am insane (get opposite readings) or very unlikely, random. I didn't think voted myself for the finder's ballot with these results would have been helpful to anyone, in case someone out there had gotten a Mafia viewing.

 

I am a Vigilante, I can kill every night if I choose to, instead of find someone and I am either Insane or Random. And I will be vindicated when the game ends. :)

[cosmicpanda]

what happens after the game ends is irrelevant at this point. That's an appeal to emotion.

[Liathiana]

Yes it is. I'm an emotional person :P So it matters to me that in the end you all will see that you were wrong. Though I bet the Mafia are very happy at the moment :P

[Myndrunner]

I have a problem buying Lia's defense and here is why. 

 

This is Lia's first post after the 5 vote lynch had been clinched on her.  Note the part that I put in bold.....

 

I am innocent and have even discovered what kind of cop I am. This was a bandwagon if I've ever seen one. You do realize that people can lie about their findings? And that a Mafia certainly would? I love that Hybrid has posted rarely all game (even less than I) comes in later with a little excuse and you all instantly trust his reveal. With last night's 3 murders, I don't see the rest of the innocents lasting past tonight, especially after you all lynch me.

It's actually kind of funny (and yet really not) that every game I'm innocent everyone always thinks I'm Mafia >.<

No mention of her secondary role here.  Why not?  If she is telling the truth about being the vigilante, then how do we explain three murders last night?  I think that if there was a bomb or a sibling role responsible, the death scenes would have been similar. Also, notice that her post seems to be going out in all directions, almost seeing which defense would work best.  Ok, moving forward...

 

Yep. Could refer to anyone. Tis why I don't have much hope of not getting lynched, not as if my protestations of innocence are going to sway anybody. I thought I did the smart thing with my find last night but it turns out I didn't *sighs*

 

Hybrid is a he. LOL

 

You don't have to vote for anyone. You're taking Hybrid's word for it that he isn't lying. There is no garuntees. He could be Mafia or he could be a Cop that always gets guilty or opposite views. Either way, your vote basically says you trust that he is a: Innocent and b: gets the readings completely right.

 

And when I get lynched and the day ends you will learn that he is Mafia or one of the above cops. And the innocents will go down, yet again in number.

 

In her second and third posts (above), she mentions nothing about being a vigilante. Curious, because she has had three posts since the lynch on her was clinched to reveal.  She even resigns to being lynched as if she has already exhausted her defense (see bold).  Ask yourself this.  If you were a vigilante innocent cop, would you have revealed by now?  I would have on the first post. 

 

I actually would be helpful to the innocents per my secondary job description but whatever :P

 

[glow=red,2,300]Hybrid[/glow] for falsely leading the innocents and trying (and succeeding so far) to get an innocent lynched. :)

 

Ok, now this is her fourth post, but the first where she makes mention of some generic role that can help us.  Note that it is posted a good four hours after her first defense.  Plenty of time to communicate off thread with a mafia partner or partners.  Even here, she doesn't mention Vigilante, she simply hints that her secondary job would be helpful, so this doesn't count as full disclosure.

 

*sighs* I told you guys I could only get on at certain times a day. This is the first time I've been on since I posted last so of course I couldn't reveal yet! I had hoped not to reveal until Wednesday on the very off chance I might not be lynched (because I would probably be taken out that night if I did survive.) but it doesn't look very likely.

 

I am a vigilante. I however, have not yet used my ability because I wanted to see what kind of Cop I am before taking out anyone, in case I'd hit an innocent. Last night I discovered what kind I am, which won't do me much help now. I asked a question if I could reveal that earlier in the game and I believe the Mod said that wasn't allowed? If it is I will tell you whether I am Sane or Insane, etc.

 

I don't understand this either.  She has had four posts since the lynch was locked where she made no mention of her role.  Her reasons are 1) that she can only get on certain times a day and then 2) that she didn't want to reveal as vigilante because she might not get lynched and would need to keep that a secret.  I don't buy that at all.  For one, if she knew she was gonna have a hard time getting online, the chance that she wouldn't get back on before deadline is too great to risk playing games.  It is all the more reason to have revealed earlier.  Plus, factoring in the vigilante factor would also help us decipher the three deaths from last night, since she claims to not have been responsible for any of them. 

 

I think she's caught and trying to defend herself.  I just don't see a truly innocent person making the kind of posts that she did.  No offense, Lia, you are a great player, but I'm quite sure you would have revealed much earlier if you were telling the truth.  To me, it seems like you scrambled at first but now have come back with a fake role claim to try and stop a lynch that you claimed would be inevitable two posts earlier. 

 

And finally, to add the cherry on top....I have a hard time believing that there are two Crazy cops in this game.  I think that I am a Crazy Cop (who gets the opposite readings) in fact I am sure of it.  In a game like this, I strongly doubt that there would be more than one of us.  Either you are lying and Hybrid is telling the truth, or you both are lying.  You are not a Crazy Cop. 

[CUBAREY]

Lia if you are a vigilante why I could see you not killing someone on the first night because you may not have had a clear suspicion on anyone. But on the second night you must have suspected at least one person above others (you may not have had a 100% chance of being right but you could have cut the odds to better then 50-50 just by choosing randomly among the most highly suspected). But instead you were so conscientous that you did not kill even those you highly suspected because you were not 100% sure if that person was truly guilty? Under that logic you would never have voted for anyone on the lynch ballot and you did vote on those. Moreover, i find it hard to believe that Dsage would have set up a situation where we could have had 4 knight kills one night and at a minimum a 50-50 possibility of 3 kills all other nights (I'm presuming the Mafia kills every night, Lia could kill every night, a second vig has a one shot kill, and a Serial killer has a 50-50 chance of killing or kills every other day.)In such a case we could have had 11 kills by the end of the third night. I just do not by her story, If she said she was a one shot vig and had killed MCS I would tend to believe her more.

[CUBAREY]

And finally, to add the cherry on top....I have a hard time believing that there are two Crazy cops in this game.  I think that I am a Crazy Cop (who gets the opposite readings) in fact I am sure of it.  In a game like this, I strongly doubt that there would be more than one of us.  Either you are lying and Hybrid is telling the truth, or you both are lying.  You are not a Crazy Cop. 

 

I agree to the extent that I believe that Lia is not a crazy cop (a role that is both a vigilante and a crazy cop in the same game where there is a Mafia with four members, and at least two other killers, does not really seem to be fair to the innocent cops) but your assertion that you are the second is interesting as it sets up hybrid for an automatic kill if Lia turns out not to be a dirty cop. Could this be a pre-emptive strike on your part. Be it not said that I would call you a liar, but I suggest that everybody thinks carefully before accepting this claim from Mynd.

[Thorum]

From now on I've got a bit a different job in rl, so I won't be able to read anything over day. Which sucks :(

 

Anyway,

-who has voted for who?

-why couldn't there not be 2 mafia teams?

-don't forget the possibility for a bomb

 

Guess that's the most important so far...

 

See you this evening