Dirty Cops Mafia - GAME OVER!!!

peacesells · March 24, 2009

Thorum: Dsage stated there were only finders in the game. This does not mean there is no healers, just that most likely there would be a double role. healer/finder. most likely though. he stated he was only "doctor", and not a finder....

There is not place that this is stated by DSage.

Myndrunner · March 24, 2009

Thorum, you could have simply unvoted MCS. You didn't have to move it to Lia. Your post was about as subtle as some of mine in regards to not having anything to do with your findings and yet you now deny it. You understand how that looks like you were looking to set Lia up for a lynch but then suddenly switched back to MCS?

Why go through all that if it was just a hunch? Why didn't you just say "MCS just declared doctor so I am removing my vote for now" or "I have a hunch that Lia is mafia" or why vote her at all?

peacesells · March 24, 2009

Here is a quote from the rules page...it's interesting because I did not realize that voting continues, you just can't add votes to MCS now.

"The MAXIMUM amount of votes for one Player (one either Ballot) is equal to the majority needed to Lynch someone (i.e. 51% of the number of players). For example, if it takes 5 players to lynch, then 5 is the Maximum amount of votes allowed for one player. After the MAX vote number has been reached on a Player, no more votes will be accepted for that Player.

In the end, the Player with the majority of the votes will be chosen for the consequences (depending on which Ballot). In the event of a tie, the Player will be chosen randomly from those who tied.

"

Myndrunner · March 24, 2009

I think we all pretty much agree that MCS is the one who needs to go, for various reasons. I would have liked to hear from Talya more today, but I understand if she is busy. Is it possible for us to go ahead and end Day now and go forward with the lynch? Or do we need to wait until Thursday?

peacesells · March 24, 2009

Or do we need to wait until Thursday?

Well, I'm intrepreting the rule as we have to wait.

Dark Justice · March 25, 2009

The Gist: Everyone is a cop, but some cops are dirty. The Dirty Cops have been paid off by the Mafia and act as the Mafia in this game

This is from the signup thread Peacesells...

peacesells · March 25, 2009

The Gist: Everyone is a cop, but some cops are dirty. The Dirty Cops have been paid off by the Mafia and act as the Mafia in this game

This is from the signup thread Peacesells...

Where does that state that cops only have finder roles? It makes no reference at all to the # of roles a cop may have.

Dark Justice · March 25, 2009

You should read my threads before speaking. I said the only real option for a healer out there would be a healer/cop role. MCS has stated he is not a cop. He does not have a cop role he sais... clearer?

peacesells · March 25, 2009

Thorum: Dsage stated there were only finders in the game. This does not mean there is no healers, just that most likely there would be a double role. healer/finder. most likely though. he stated he was only "doctor", and not a finder....

Dsage said there were only Cops...in the game. She did not say there where only "finders" as you stated. There is nothing saying that a cops could not be a doctor role.

How about you reading your own statements? If you need help expressing yourself...use the quote function directly from the rules or copy/paste.

Dark Justice · March 25, 2009

attacking me for not bothering to use the quote function is noted. I am very sorry... I did not mean to offend anyone by not bothering to use it...

(and I did use copy paste by the way.. Cant be asked to re-write all that... ;) )

Anyway. Cop is finder. Not healer. At least as far as every other game I have seen so far...

peacesells · March 25, 2009

attacking me for not bothering to use the quote function is noted. I am very sorry... I did not mean to offend anyone by not bothering to use it...

(and I did use copy paste by the way.. Cant be asked to re-write all that... ;) )

Anyway. Cop is finder. Not healer. At least as far as every other game I have seen so far...

:) I haven't made the same assumption I guess since this was touted as an unusual mafia game. I take nothing here for granted and to me DSage has encouraged us not to take anything for granted...including roles. :)

Dark Justice · March 25, 2009

The most common special role. The Cop can investigate a player each night and find out whether they are innocent or guilty (pro-Town or anti-Town, respectively). Depending on the variation, sometimes they can discover the role name as well. Certain roles, such as the Godfather, can be immune to investigation, meaning regardless of their alignment, they will come up pro-Town.

And this is what mafiawiki says...

www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Cop

You wrote inbetween.....

It is true it is not your usual mafiagame, but changing the definitions of roles are hardly ever done... You usually give new roles/new names...

Toy and Minion · March 25, 2009

Yes'm. Day ends at the deadline, not before.

CUBAREY · March 25, 2009

Um....Catina viewed Danya last night. Do you remember us voting for her finding?

Just because you are voted to review your findings does not mean you are required to tell the truth.

This could be worth noting given the conflicting statements she has made.

Are you saying that Catina is lieing? If yes are you then suggesting that she is a dirty cop and by implication that Danya is too?

CUBAREY · March 25, 2009

I work late one night and when I come back not only is a player already gotten enough votes to be lynched but there are six pages of posts!

Maybe we can use the time till Thursday trying to figure out who would be MCS conpatriots.

Myndrunner · March 25, 2009

Let's make sure we are not making assumptions here. It is possible that some of us are aligned to Cops but are not Finders. In DSage's Gist statement, he says we are all Cops but some are Dirty Cops. This does not necessarily mean that some of us do not have other powers instead.

Its the difference between ability and alignment. A Healer is a Healer, but his alignment would be innocent. In this game, our alignments are one of the following:

Alignment Key:

Cops - Innocent

Dirty Cops - Guilty

Other?

More...other?

So, it is possible for someone to be a healer role but aligned with the Cops. MCS could still be lying his pants off, but it is possible that someone making such a claim is telling the truth. We should not lynch someone solely on the basis that they claim to not be a finder.

What bothers me are the other two alignments. What is Other? And what is More...other? Are we dealing with a Solo Win, Psycho, or even a Cult? This could explain why some people are seeming to act together. Since we have plenty of time before the Day ends, I want to hear what each of us thinks.

Me: I think that there may be a Cult out there. Thoughts?

peacesells · March 25, 2009

Um....Catina viewed Danya last night. Do you remember us voting for her finding?

Just because you are voted to review your findings does not mean you are required to tell the truth.

This could be worth noting given the conflicting statements she has made.

Are you saying that Catina is lieing? If yes are you then suggesting that she is a dirty cop and by implication that Danya is too?

I'm not saying that..I'm pointing out the possibility.

cosmicpanda · March 25, 2009

Oh, that is interesting. I had missed that completely, so thanks Mynd :D

That seems to be a key for the deaths in the player list. So, third party roles that can kill - that instantly suggests a serial killer or two. I don't about your cult theory - can they kill? Up to Dsage, I suppose.

Either that, or there might be a vig, with their kills coloured differently to the town's lynches. How does that fit in with a game of cops?

cosmicpanda · March 25, 2009

oh, I got a bit confused. Scrap that. I thought that the key was for colouring the targets of kills according to who killed, not according to the victim of the kill. More thoughts after dinner.

CUBAREY · March 25, 2009

So, it is possible for someone to be a healer role but aligned with the Cops. MCS could still be lying his pants off, but it is possible that someone making such a claim is telling the truth. We should not lynch someone solely on the basis that they claim to not be a finder.

What bothers me are the other two alignments. What is Other? And what is More...other? Are we dealing with a Solo Win, Psycho, or even a Cult? This could explain why some people are seeming to act together. Since we have plenty of time before the Day ends, I want to hear what each of us thinks.

Me: I think that there may be a Cult out there. Thoughts?

Would a cult be two or more Mason serial killers? And you pointing out that their are definately non-aligned (or more correctly other aligned) players is quite important as it might explain some of the odd moves that certain players have made. We're going to have to re-read the entire thread to try to see if we can spot comments that just seem to confuse more then help ( Mynd you're a special case because you offer nuggets of pure enlightenment in a sea of confusion :P)

Thorum · March 25, 2009

Thorum: Dsage stated there were only finders in the game. This does not mean there is no healers, just that most likely there would be a double role. healer/finder. most likely though. he stated he was only "doctor", and not a finder....

Dsage said there were only Cops...in the game. She did not say there where only "finders" as you stated. There is nothing saying that a cops could not be a doctor role.

How about you reading your own statements? If you need help expressing yourself...use the quote function directly from the rules or copy/paste.

Thorum · March 25, 2009

Sorry. Don't worry about the previous post. It was a mistake.

And as far as me being a newbie and not being able to "come up with this", even if I was lying, I am more than capable of thinking up stuff. Just because I'm new to this game doesn't mean I'm a moron.

That was not what she meant. False-claiming healer / finder is VERY difficult, even for the best and most experienced of players. If you succeed as a newbie, you should get a medal for it. Let's hope you do not.

Yes, what Talya said.

The name is Thorum :D

Thorum: Dsage stated there were only finders in the game. This does not mean there is no healers, just that most likely there would be a double role. healer/finder. most likely though. he stated he was only "doctor", and not a finder....

Which is the problem: the rules state everybody is a finder

Thorum, you could have simply unvoted MCS. You didn't have to move it to Lia. Your post was about as subtle as some of mine in regards to not having anything to do with your findings and yet you now deny it. You understand how that looks like you were looking to set Lia up for a lynch but then suddenly switched back to MCS?

I do not deny nor confirm. I just note the facts.

As quoted before, I always want my vote on someone.

cosmicpanda · March 25, 2009

So, it is possible for someone to be a healer role but aligned with the Cops. MCS could still be lying his pants off, but it is possible that someone making such a claim is telling the truth. We should not lynch someone solely on the basis that they claim to not be a finder.

What bothers me are the other two alignments. What is Other? And what is More...other? Are we dealing with a Solo Win, Psycho, or even a Cult? This could explain why some people are seeming to act together. Since we have plenty of time before the Day ends, I want to hear what each of us thinks.

Me: I think that there may be a Cult out there. Thoughts?

Would a cult be two or more Mason serial killers? And you pointing out that their are definately non-aligned (or more correctly other aligned) players is quite important as it might explain some of the odd moves that certain players have made. We're going to have to re-read the entire thread to try to see if we can spot comments that just seem to confuse more then help ( Mynd you're a special case because you offer nuggets of pure enlightenment in a sea of confusion :P)

First off, Cults:

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Cult

Right. It looks like we have four alignments in this game. Mafia, town, cult/psycho/survivor/???, cult/psycho/survivor/???.

Psychos/Serial Killers can kill every night. With only one nightkill last night, one would think that if there are both a psycho and a mafia group, one must have skipped a kill. I consider this a tad unlikely - what is the downside of killing at night? - and so I think that there is probably no psycho. But then again, there might be alternate killings each night like I had in my last game, so who knows.

Cults are scary. There's nothing to say that there isn't a cult in this game, or even two. Hopefully we can find them before they take the place over. I'm not sure that there's any such thing as a cult tell, so I'm a bit in the dark here.

Survivors are less dangerous. I've heard that they're easyish to spot, if there's one player trying to act as inoffensive as possible. The more lurkerish people come to mind here, eg. the likes of Liath, Hybrid, DJ.

Finally, there's the ? ?? option. I'll give you this link and pray:

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Third-party_roles

Now I'm trying to imagine which of the above roles fits best into the 'cops' theme. This is where I start to struggle. Any ideas?

Talya · March 25, 2009

Nice of Mynd pointing out something I said pages ago, but was ignored. ::) And I was accused of supporting mcs!

I would think in a Cops situation there is more likely to be a mason group than a cult. There are usually a few Masons who are Cops in RL, so this would make sense. They may know each is innocent, not sure if they would have a win scenerio in place as that doesn't seem to fit, but I could be wrong.

Maybe there ia a rogue cop, someone who is a vigilante but on the innocents side. It looks like they don't have a kill every night, it maybe they just have the one. (Thats how we always used to have the vigilantes, just the one night kill in the game and I remember Sira using it against me so the innocents won in wonderful style...lol).

As for a Doctor, you can have police doctors so it may make sense!

We could spend all day going round and round the roles we may or maynot have. The trouble is we won't find out until the end. Although it is good to discuss, we can't get caught up in this and worry more about if there is a cult or anything else. The most important thing is to get the Mafia, but keeping this in mind as we go along. I know, teaching you all to suck eggs, but just thought I would mention it, for the newbies mostly!

*waitd for Mynd to twist everything she has said* ;D

Myndrunner · March 25, 2009

Problem is, a Mason group would be aligned with Cops. It clearly states that Cops are innocent. Those other two "Other" alignments are not innocent. Again, we are talking about alignment and not role, there is a difference.

Talya doesn't want us to worry about this? That's a red flag if I ever saw one. She claims she brought it up before me yet she doesn't want us to think about it?

When Talya says she's waiting "for Mynd to come twist everything she said" what she is doing here is a preemptive strike at the credibility of anything I say. Why is this necessary? Did she say something that I might find questionable? She did actually....but I would like everyone to read Talya's last post again to come up with their own conclusions.....paying particular attention to the lines I highlighted.

We could spend all day going round and round the roles we may or maynot have. The trouble is we won't find out until the end. [glow=red,2,300]Although it is good to discuss, we can't get caught up in this and worry more about if there is a cult or anything else. The most important thing is to get the Mafia, but keeping this in mind as we go along.[/glow] I know, teaching you all to suck eggs, but just thought I would mention it, for the newbies mostly!

*waitd for Mynd to twist everything she has said* ;D

In every game where there was a Cult or a Psycho, they were as much a threat to the Mafia as to the Innocents. This is why Talya doesn't want us to concern ourselves with them, so she can let us pick off each other while she sits pretty. Cults grow members and the longer a Cult Leader stays in the game, the stronger they become.

I think Talya is an "Other" or a "More...Other" because she doesn't want us and the Mafia to realize that she is a threat to both of us. That is why she doesn't want us discussing this. Too bad, we have already gotten a lynch on MCS and we still have to wait for deadline. What else are we going to do but discuss this.....and now you?

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