CotL fortress in a stedding

[Forever]

At the moment, I'm reading TSR, and it occurred to me that a stedding would be the perfect place for the Children of the Light to set up a permanent base. Does this idea come up in any of the later books?

 

There would of course be logistical problems:

• How would the Children find a stedding?
  
• Most steddings are probably occupied by Ogier
  
• There aren't any steddings near Amadicia (or are there?)
  

[Cockta]

You think it would be agood idea, because AS, and any other channeler wouldn't be able to channel? Well, it would be a good idea, at first glance, but accompanied with the logistical problems, there are lots of other problems. The Ogier would never make a stedding for the Children. I say this because it is location, location, and location. What does a fortress do any good, if it is on the other side of the country, and there are no other coutrnies there, and the position is just completely pointless and hard to get to.

[Hybrid]

Finding a stedding is the hard part for the Children.  If they could find the one Perrin and Egwene find in EOTW, they would have a good location.  This is the stedding that was meant for Hawkwing's capital before the 100 Years' War. 

 

However, the Children already have a fortress and a permanent base in Amadicia, which they pretty much control (I believe that's mentioned in the TDR Prologue).  Also, the aforementioned stedding is far from any country but Andor, while Amadicia shares borders with three countries (Ghealdan, Tarabon, and Altara).  Also, the Aes Sedai can't use the Power as a weapon except in defense of their lives against the Children, so the Children are able to camp outside Tar Valon and attempt to rile up the local populace against Aes Sedai (like Valda does, as mentioned in either TDR or TSR) without fear of repercussions.

 

To answer your question, no, it does not come up in later books because it is mostly unnecessary.

[Ndshacker]

Actually I had this idea too, only modified, and im 100% certain it doesn't happen. Imagine making a fortress exactly like the Stone of Tear in a partial stedding only out of iron. Then the Aes Sedai change it to cuedillar.  Make the doorway have a ward as well like the one moiraine made that would also stop DF's. And voila no more pain for Rand.  (PS PARTIAL STEDDING: Means A place warded to protect against outside influence from the power.)

 

I can just see The forsaken hitting the door way and bouncing off  :o

 

I know this wont happen cause rand isnt smart enough to do this  ;D

[Spirit1025]

I agree with Hybrid. Also, the point of the Whitecloaks is not to hole themselves up somewhere safe from being channeled at, but to go out and actively eliminate those they see as evil. Kinda hard to hunt down 'evil' if you don't go out and get it. Interesting thought though, if they needed something defensive. But it would only be necessary if the Aes Sedai came at them in force, AND could channel at them.

[Mr Ares]

Most steddings are probably occupied by Ogier

There are a lot of empty stedding.

There aren't any steddings near Amadicia (or are there?)

There are stedding all over. Why shouldn't there be one in Amadicia?

 

The Ogier would never make a stedding for the Children.

True. The Ogier cannot make stedding. They would have to find an already existing stedding. They could only do that by stumbling across one.

 

Does this idea come up in any of the later books?

No. Given later developments it is unlikely they would wish to make a Fortress in a stedding in the immediate future.

[Hybrid]

Actually I had this idea too, only modified, and im 100% certain it doesn't happen. Imagine making a fortress exactly like the Stone of Tear in a partial stedding only out of iron. Then the Aes Sedai change it to cuedillar.  Make the doorway have a ward as well like the one moiraine made that would also stop DF's. And voila no more pain for Rand.  (PS PARTIAL STEDDING: Means A place warded to protect against outside influence from the power.)

 

I can just see The forsaken hitting the door way and bouncing off  :o

 

I know this wont happen cause rand isnt smart enough to do this  ;D

 

Because locking yourself away from the world is the best way to deal with problems...  ::)  Yeah, I can see Rand not being "smart" enough to do this, especially when he's got two of the most powerful sa'angreal out there, a number of loyal Aes Sedai and Asha'man, and a large army of the best warriors alive to defend him.  ::)

 

And your idea is redundant, because there's no need for a stedding when you've got a cuendillar fortress that absorbs the power.  Plus we have no proof that you can make "partial steddings."

[Arath Faringal]

Truly devoted darkfriends don't like being inside of stedding either, so I would imagine that the majority of the Questioners would be against the whole idea.

[Hybrid]

I'm not sure that the majority of the Questioners are Darkfriends.  Only Carridin has been proven to be one.  The rest are probably just misguided fanatics who believe Darkfriends are everywhere.  Darkfriends are pretty prevalent in WOT.  The Questioners are just taking it to the extreme.  They believe in fighting fire with fire.  You don't have to be a nice person to walk in the Light.

[Ndshacker]

Yeah, I can see Rand not being "smart" enough to do this, especially when he's got two of the most powerful sa'angreal out there, a number of loyal Aes Sedai and Asha'man, and a large army of the best warriors alive to defend him.

First off How many are actually loyal and second off all the warriors in the world wont help him if the forsaken come at him ful force and in person. The partial stedding is not redundant because you can form a gateway inside of a cuendillar box, since the weave wont touch the walls, also It was only included to protect from gatewyays, I dont think it would help if theyu just stepped into it How do we know the ward will get rid of them if they are already inside or will they not be able to go throught the gateway, they could still shoot through it so the stedding remains neccesary. 

 

 

[Hybrid]

Yeah, I can see Rand not being "smart" enough to do this, especially when he's got two of the most powerful sa'angreal out there, a number of loyal Aes Sedai and Asha'man, and a large army of the best warriors alive to defend him.

First off How many are actually loyal and second off all the warriors in the world wont help him if the forsaken come at him ful force and in person. The partial stedding is not redundant because you can form a gateway inside of a cuendillar box, since the weave wont touch the walls, also It was only included to protect from gatewyays, I dont think it would help if theyu just stepped into it How do we know the ward will get rid of them if they are already inside or will they not be able to go throught the gateway, they could still shoot through it so the stedding remains neccesary. 

 

Actually, while the Forsaken are less vulnerable to an army than you or me, they are still in danger.  All it takes is one guy sneaking up behind you and sticking a sword in you or shooting you in the back.

My main point was that

a) There is no evidence that "partial steddings" can exist.  Also, Moiraine never made a ward that stopped DFs, just wards that stopped Shadowspawn.  And there are still ways of taking it out.  Such as burying it under a mountain, for example.

b) Rand locks himself in a box.  Excellent.  Now he is stuck there while the Forsaken tear apart the world and his followers desert him. 

c) If this idea was doable, it would take years to make.  In the meantime, along comes Tarmon Gaidon...

[Tigara]

Do you have any idea how long it would take to make a fortress of iron, let alone turn it all into cuendillar? I don't think any men can do it, so it would be the handful of Egwene's AS and N&A turning a fortress into cuendillar when turning a goblet takes a good day or more. Good defence? Yes! Logical? Not at all.

[Ndshacker]

Yes and my point was that it would be cool, I also said that it WOULDNT happen, I was just presenting something I imagined

 

While A) is partialy true. That we have no proof, Im sure it is doable. Also she did mention somethin that would keep out darkfriends who were deeply emerged into the dark. In my opinion the Forsaken are pretty deep in the shadow. a MOUNTAIN WOULDNT BREAK CUENDILLAR.

 

B) and C) are null and void as this was meant to be after Tarmon Gaidon if rand lived.

[Tigara]

a MOUNTAIN WOULDNT BREAK CUENDILLAR.

 

 

Of course not, but cuendillar can be buried. Buried cuendillar doesn't do much good.

[Hybrid]

Yes and my point was that it would be cool, I also said that it WOULDNT happen, I was just presenting something I imagined

 

While A) is partialy true. That we have no proof, Im sure it is doable. Also she did mention somethin that would keep out darkfriends who were deeply emerged into the dark. In my opinion the Forsaken are pretty deep in the shadow. a MOUNTAIN WOULDNT BREAK CUENDILLAR.

 

B) and C) are null and void as this was meant to be after Tarmon Gaidon if rand lived.

 

No, a mountain wouldn't break cuendillar.  But most of us have to breathe to live.

 

Also, B is not null and void.  There is a logical fallacy in your argument.  Your original post talks about the Forsaken attempting to enter and failing.  My point is that while Rand is in the box, he can't stop the Forsaken or anyone else from doing whatever they please.  It does not matter whether this is before or after the Last Battle.

 

Also, after Tarmon Gaidon, Rand's importance as the Dragon is pretty much done.  The Dark One is sealed away, so Rand is just a very powerful Asha'man, not the Dragon Reborn.  He may even no longer be ta'veren.