No Frills Newbie Mafia--Game OVER!

[Myndrunner]

Mynd you still haven't told us why you're so sure that loki is innocent.  There's no way for you to know, it's not part of your role.  Your biggest evidence against me is that I'm pushing a vote on loki and he is innocent.  In fact give me a minute and I'll find your exact quote.

 

You don't have a minute, Madame Mafiosa!  The sand is about to run out of the hour glass for you, my dear. LOL and you said CACK SURE!!  Only a Mafia Gun Mol would use that language around her kids!  And you guys were sooo close to a flawless victory too.....soooo close....too bad.

 

Oh, and here is a quick impersonation of Loreleina:

 

"blah blah blah blah... Vote Loki.... blah blah blah... Mynd is full of crap.... blah blah... i'm a scared mafia!"

[loki redfern]

lore..er yeh cant spell the rest :-[  if we lynch an innocnet today, then all the mafia has to do is get a night kill, if we vote no lynch, we extend the endgame to the next day (assuming that the mafia get there night kill)  yes we miss out on today, and yes its a dangerous way to go, but it means we have more information, and that we, the innocents left are in control of the lynch. yes you may say that there are 3 mafia, and it will be four to lynch, and give them an advantage, but relative to a night kill we will have a say in what happens, and just have to watch for a bandwagon building up. if JLmum is innocent, then we hand the game to the mafia. and if i was mafia, it would be much much easyer to go that way, just keep quiet and get an easy NK, but im not mafia and id rather win this game. i vote [glow=red,2,300]no lynch[/glow]  if i have to change my vote to JML later to save myself i will, but untill then, sence before mafia guff, though you are looking very suspicious to me lore

 

how does the math not work, either we can potentialy end with a night kill or a lynch? the lynch makes more sence to me that letting the mafia choose, if the mafia NK they arnt going to pick one of there own are thy, whereas with a lynch, its more likely (than a mafia NK, since you like to be ignoring the relativenesses of my proposal) that we can get a mafia, since bandwagoning would give them away, and whatever they do, its still going to give us infomation

[Myndrunner]

Loki....no guts no glory....if we GET a mafia right now, we turn the tide.  Voting no lynch is handing the game over to them.

 

Look at JLM.....she is so desperate to distract folks off of her, its pathetic.  Please, sit back and look at the big picture.  We have everything to gain right now.  Vote JLM and lets win back the game!

 

I say again....if JLM turns out to be innocent, then I will not heal myself that night.  I am essentially betting the game on this....but that is only because I am SURE she is Mafia.

 

How about this....Lori, Nae, and Loki.....I will protect which ever one of you changes their vote to JLM first.  Do we have a deal? 

[Myndrunner]

Oh, and Lori & JLM.....any reason you two were tossing back PM's to much today? 

 

I like to lurk in the Whose Online section of DM to see what folks are up to...and I noticed that you both were reading and sending PMs about the same time.  What on earth do you two have to talk about?  ;)

[loki redfern]

lol i was thinking about it untill the last bit.  hmm gah, i guess if nobody is going to listen to me we might as well end this day. but in not doing it for the protection so you dont need to blah blah yes, id same if i was innocent or not. i still think it should be at random

[glow=red,2,300]JenLenaMom

[loki redfern]

and i sent and recived many a PM today, even one from and too you gogo *pokes the bad metagaming*

[Loreina]

Again, nice try Mynd, but if you check the thread, my vote was the tie vote on Loki, not Verbal's. Neither my vote nor Verbal's was an attempt to bandwagon. Just an attempt to save an innocent who was being bandwagoned. Just more proof that you are Mafia. Also, if you look at Luthine's post at that time, his vote definetly looks like a bandwagon vote on Verbal. Oh yeah.

You Mafia are the desparate ones. Here's Loki still pushing for a no lynch.  ::)

 

Moggy where are you?

 

And I would like to remind the newbies that the Healer can not see who is Mafia and who isn't. Only the Finder can do that and he is dead. Mynd has presented no logical argument against JLM. Maybe it is a Kivam gambit. Maybe not. I still say we have more reason to lynch Mynd than anybody else. But no one else wants to do that. So, the next best target is Loki, in my opinion.

 

You are looking at the wrong person Mynd. I'm not Loraine, I'm Loreina and I haven't sent a PM all day, you lying Mafia scum.

 

Well, I'm done here for now. I'm Loreina, an innocent and I have Voted.

 

 

 

 

[Myndrunner]

*puts his hand on Loki's shoulder* You've done a good thing, brother!  I understand your desire to just toss the dice, but I am sure of JLM and Lori now.  Nae is the only one I'm not 100% on here. 

*to JLM* Nah nah naaaah nah......nah nah naaaah nah......HEY HEY HEY.....GOODBYE!!! 

 

GO CRIMSON TIDE!!

 

[JenLenaMom]

Uh mynd you may have more votes on me now but you still don't have a majority (i.e. 5) so unless or until moggy shows up I wouldn't be wishing anyone good bye yet.  and if I do get lynched, and when I show up innocent you're all gonna know that mynd and loki just played you.

[Loreina]

ROTFLMAO!  Well that explains a lot!  A BAMA Fan! Well back at you, hun!

 

WAR EAGLE !

 

[For those of you who do not know this bit of trivia, the University of Alabama and Auburn University have been football rivals since forever. They meet every year in what has lovingly been dubbed "The Iron Bowl". It's a no-holds-barred grudge match. The winner gets braggin' rights. An we (Auburn) have won the last five years straight! Now I know why Mynd is after me. *laughs* Gotta lurve the metagamin'.]

 

Ok, lunch is over, back to the real logic. I am not SURE about anything. I'm just looking at what's been said, and who's been voting who.  :-\ I just do not see why I should vote for JLM. Give me a real reason folks. I see reasons for voting for Mynd, or for Loki, or even for Luthine or Graendal. But where is the logic for voting for JLM? Or Nae?  You have not presented any. You just keep mouthing meaningless accusations.

 

Loki, what you suggested is very, very dangerous. It plays into their hands, which is why I suspect you so much now. If you were really innocent you'd have never suggested such a thing at the time you did, with suspicion already on you and Mynd labeling you an innocent. It's the perfect set up, if you are an innocent. We vote no lynch, they will NK you (if you are innocent), to make Mynd look legit, leaving seven people and Mynd in control of the voting. Everyone would then vote for JLM on the strength of his suggestions. If she's innocent too, as I suspect, game over, Mafia win. If JLM is mafia, he's set me up because I've gone against you. He sets the vote on me, an innocent dies, again, game over, Mafia win.   

If you are innocent, I am truly sorry, but you brought this on yourself.

 

[Myndrunner]

Actually, I'm not really a Crimson Tide fan...just only when they play the LSU Tigers!

 

I see lynched mafia people!  Wonder what is gonna be said when FDM posts "JLM the Mafia Queen was lynched"?

[loki redfern]

sorry but how does a no lynch play into their hands? please explain it to me?

[loki redfern]

Again, nice try Mynd, but if you check the thread, my vote was the tie vote on Loki, not Verbal's. Neither my vote nor Verbal's was an attempt to bandwagon. Just an attempt to save an innocent who was being bandwagoned. Just more proof that you are Mafia. Also, if you look at Luthine's post at that time, his vote definetly looks like a bandwagon vote on Verbal. Oh yeah.

You Mafia are the desparate ones. Here's Loki still pushing for a no lynch.  ::)

 

Moggy where are you?

 

And I would like to remind the newbies that the Healer can not see who is Mafia and who isn't. Only the Finder can do that and he is dead. Mynd has presented no logical argument against JLM. Maybe it is a Kivam gambit. Maybe not. I still say we have more reason to lynch Mynd than anybody else. But no one else wants to do that. So, the next best target is Loki, in my opinion.

 

You are looking at the wrong person Mynd. I'm not Loraine, I'm Loreina and I haven't sent a PM all day, you lying Mafia scum.

 

Well, I'm done here for now. I'm Loreina, an innocent and I have Voted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

where is the counter claim?

[JenLenaMom]

Geaux Tigers!!!

 

NOthing is gonna be said mynd since it's gonna say JLM innocent has been lynched followed quickly by whoever you decide to nk, probably lorei at this point and then the mafia wins. >:(

[Myndrunner]

Again, nice try Mynd, but if you check the thread, my vote was the tie vote on Loki, not Verbal's. Neither my vote nor Verbal's was an attempt to bandwagon. Just an attempt to save an innocent who was being bandwagoned. Just more proof that you are Mafia. Also, if you look at Luthine's post at that time, his vote definetly looks like a bandwagon vote on Verbal. Oh yeah.

You Mafia are the desparate ones. Here's Loki still pushing for a no lynch.  ::)

 

Moggy where are you?

 

And I would like to remind the newbies that the Healer can not see who is Mafia and who isn't. Only the Finder can do that and he is dead. Mynd has presented no logical argument against JLM. Maybe it is a Kivam gambit. Maybe not. I still say we have more reason to lynch Mynd than anybody else. But no one else wants to do that. So, the next best target is Loki, in my opinion.

 

You are looking at the wrong person Mynd. I'm not Loraine, I'm Loreina and I haven't sent a PM all day, you lying Mafia scum.

 

Well, I'm done here for now. I'm Loreina, an innocent and I have Voted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

where is the counter claim?

 

Why is Lorie still going after you and not JLM at this point?

[Loreina]

I just did explain it Loki.  ::)

 

And I'm not 'going after' anyone. I have good reason for voting for Loki. No one has given me a good reason to vote for JLM. You've given us no good reasons NOT to vote for Loki, despite being asked repeatedly.  It is you who are 'going after' someone - JLM, and now, me.

 

As for a counter claim, who'd believe it? Not me!

 

Frankly, I think we innocents are up the crick without a paddle, well and truly tricked by the Mafia scum.

 

 

[loki redfern]

Loki, what you suggested is very, very dangerous. It plays into their hands, which is why I suspect you so much now. If you were really innocent you'd have never suggested such a thing at the time you did, with suspicion already on you and Mynd labeling you an innocent. It's the perfect set up, if you are an innocent. We vote no lynch, they will NK you (if you are innocent), to make Mynd look legit, leaving seven people and Mynd in control of the voting. Everyone would then vote for JLM on the strength of his suggestions. If she's innocent too, as I suspect, game over, Mafia win. If JLM is mafia, he's set me up because I've gone against you. He sets the vote on me, an innocent dies, again, game over, Mafia win. 

If you are innocent, I am truly sorry, but you brought this on yourself.

 

so your saying im innocnet, which makes me mafia? :-\ huh?

[Myndrunner]

*whispers to Loki* Methinks she's a bit touched in the head!  :-\

[Loreina]

Oh please,  ::) you understand the word 'IF' don't you?

 

 

[loki redfern]

i also understand the words "there's no way that he could be innocnet if he suggested that"

 

and your saying im suggesting this which makes everyone vote JLM? and there are  ..can you do it again i really dont get what your trying to say?

 

 

 

ok right let me get this, if we no lynch  now, then i having sugested this making me on the mafia, would then be night killed because im innocent, and this would make gogo look like the real healer, and he would lead the lynch on jlm, losing the innocnets the game, while the the real healer remains silent?

 

balenced agaist having a lynch today, which is going to be JLM at this point, since i know im innocnet and that makes her more likely to be mafia from my point of view, if were goign to lynch anyone, and then on the night kill tonight we lose if she is innocnet.

 

 

let me say that again, if we lynch an innocent today, WE WILL LOSE if the night kill is sucsessfull  now think on this. the mafia know whoes innocent and whose not. there is not a chance they will lynch themselves. now during the day phase there are two options, we decline to lynch today, with eight players, or tomorrow there may be 7 players. yes greater chance of the mafia controling the lynch, but its only ONE more player than there is today.  so its to day with  a 3 in 8 chance of hitting a mafia compared to a 1 in 7 chance. yes thelly only need other perosn to get a lynch, but bandwagoning will be alot more noticeable.  i know this way is risky but i feel the pros outweigh the cons and if with my vote it really is only 4 (i thought it was 4 on JLM and nobody was looking like changing their minds and there was no point in draging it on) then ill change back to no lynch.

 

Another thing. What i was suggesting will SAVE JLM from being lynched today

 

 

perhaps just take a minute from dismissing my idea because you see me as mafia before you read it and take and obvective look.

[Myndrunner]

 

Lorie....why aren't you changing your vote to JLM then?  Nae, same question?...very suspicious.

[Moghedian]

Moggy where are you?

 

Sorry, I was asleep m(it was night here) and now I have to go to school so [glow=red,2,300]JLM[/glow] I'll explain more if I have time... ;)

[Myndrunner]

[glow=red,2,300]JLM[/glow]

[Loreina]

Loki if you're going to quote people, quote them exactly. I did not say "there's no way that he could be innocnet if he suggested that". What I said was that only Mafia would suggest such a thing at this point in the game. I have always qualified my deductions, since that's all they are. Since I'm not Mafia, I have no proof of anything. Unlike Mynd, I am not sure of anything. I have even allowed that this may be a Mafia gambit. Both you and JLM may be innocents for all I know. All of this agonizing decision making may be for nothing.

I haven't played in all that many games, and in most of the games I have played, I didn't survive this long. As I said earlier, I reason too well and talk too much and get NK'd early on by the Mafia. But this is the first game I've been in where a player (Mynd) has resorted to personal derisive attacks on another player. Make fun of me all you want Mynd. All I'm going to say is, if you are our Healer, you've made a right mush of things.

 

Loki I explained why I think your plan will not work. It's too little too late.  I hope I am wrong. I hope you are innocent and JLM is Mafia. I hope so very much, because if she's not, we're toast. 

 

And still no one gives me a good reason to change my vote; just more threats, name calling, and intimidation.

 

It could be that both Loki and JLM are innocents, and Mynd has played me for a fool. Well, it won't be the first time I've been fooled. But at least I've played a good, clean game. I've been honest. I've tried to vote for good reasons.

 

Moggy there is no more time. Yours was the fifth vote, I think.

 

Loki (3) Nae, JLM, Loreina

JLM (5) Mynd, Luthine, Graendal, Loki, Moggy

 

Is that right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[loki redfern]

yes i believe so, and the a no lynch would have given us more time, that was one of the points. time = infomation. i agree JLM was proably innocent, and sorry for not quoteing properly but apathy get the better of me, but i did check id got the genneral gist, and trust me this isnt a thing i would suggest lightly, innocent or otherwise, ive seen it go horribly wrong before, and i wouldnt have said it without a bit of thought