Portal Stones.....

[Igrift]

There's no point in starting 3 threads, im just gunna plop it all down here, heh. 

 

First off, I've read the books MANY times, but I just, for the first time, started listening to the audio tracks.....WOW, very cool.  It adds a whole new element, really, its the closest thing to watching a movie version.  The vioce acting is so perfect.  Anyway, I really recomend it to any one who hasnt listened.

 

The main thing I was thinking about had to do with Portal Stones.  Its clear that they are doorways to other dimentions, other "earths". Well, same Earth, different possibilities.  Basically like the show Sliders, if anyone remembers it.  I was thinking, the Archways the Aes sedai use to put the Accepted and Novices through, to face their fears and such.  Nyneave kept saying how real it felt, and apparently some girls never return.  Do you think its a form of a portal stone, a gateway to these other dimension?  After all she was marries to Lan in one of her trips there.

 

On aside note, when Fain is talking to Surok *spelling? in TGH He says rand is coming after the horn, and he brings Trollocs.  Then its mentioned that the Seanchan have no Trollocs, but the shadow had other nasty creatures there.    Any idea what those could be?  Like their normal monstars are bad enough...

[Ahaz Flagg]

Not sure I have ever read anything deffinent, but I would agree with you about the stones and the Ter'angreal. 

 

On the seanchan, I seem to remember reading something that stated they had wiped out all of the shadow monster's.  But, as to what they were, meh no idea.  I can not wait until some of the seanchan realy face a Fetch.  That should be real funny!!

[Igrift]

I was also thinks (not that this has ANY relevance, but whatever), is that the girls that stay in the Ter'angreal, wouldn't they run into their double in that world?  Like, the "real" me would exsist in every possibility, in every world, so If I travelled to one, I'd run into a parralel me!

Anyways, im just bored..heh.

 

[Ahaz Flagg]

Well that would depend on alot, if they are reflections of what if's. than what if Fain had killed Rand when he sliced him?  What if Moraine and Lan had been killed before they reached the Two Rivers?  Egwene, what if she got the sickness and died?  there are many variables, it is certianly possible that you could run to yourself.  Realy wierd thought that!!

[Guest durram laddel cham]

trollocs and fades didn't survive the breaking but the corruption of the blight stayed. the only differnce with  randlands blight was that in Seanchan it isn't growing anymore as for the creatures I believe there were only guys like draghkar.

I guess there are records from Hawkwing and his battle against the trollocs and maby the old seanchan AS had records, who knows?

 

[aevogt]

I could be wrong so bust me as necessary.

 

I am certain that I read somewhere (the guide maybe, possibly an interview) that Seanchan was infested with trollocs during the Trolloc wars but they used portal stones to bring their exotics to this world from their native world in an effort to rid Seanchan of shadowspawn that was ultimately effective. 

 

I am almost positive about the exotics (Corlm, Grolm, Raken, Toraken, Torm and Lopar) and the portal stones.  The Sredit are obviuosly native to Randland based on the skeleton Egwene see in Tanchico.

 

That is why most of the exotics have more than two eyes. 

[Guest durram laddel cham]

The guide says that the trollocs were completly destroyed during the breaking.

And it doesn't suggest that there even were trollocs on Seanchan during the Trolloc Wars. I guess those beast just wiped out during the Breaking, maby there were more creatures in the AOL who didn't survive the Breaking.

[aevogt]

I knew I'd seen it somewhere

 

Straight from Melmoth's Guide to "The World of Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time"

 

 

http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~melmoth/wotguide.html#contents

 

 

 

[Luckers]

Direct from the Guide page 163.

 

These strange new creatures were not shadowspawn at all but rather decendents of creatures brought back from parallel worlds via Portal Stone during the first thousand years after the breaking, likely to aid with the real shadowspawn. Their exact effectiveness is not recorded, but it was during this time period that shadowspawn were wiped out in Seanchan.

 

the only differnce with  randlands blight was that in Seanchan it isn't growing anymore

 

Not true. RJ stated that the blight in Seanchan is much weaker.

 

The main thing I was thinking about had to do with Portal Stones.  Its clear that they are doorways to other dimentions, other "earths". Well, same Earth, different possibilities.  Basically like the show Sliders, if anyone remembers it.  I was thinking, the Archways the Aes sedai use to put the Accepted and Novices through, to face their fears and such.  Nyneave kept saying how real it felt, and apparently some girls never return.  Do you think its a form of a portal stone, a gateway to these other dimension?  After all she was marries to Lan in one of her trips there.

 

It seems unlikely that it is simply a gateway to another world. The experiences the girls have are much too closely centred around them, and they enter that world as a part of it, not as a traveller to it.

 

It seems to me to be some form of artificial reality that draws on both the persons knowledge and mind as well as on other possible lives. Certainly there have been truths within these experiences that the girls had know way of knowing--such as Nynaeve's knowledge of Sharina Melloy, or Egwene's of the turning process.

 

Possibly that was its original purpose... a method of gathering or exploring certain types of information. The worlds most complex devining stick.

 

On aside note, when Fain is talking to Surok *spelling? in TGH He says rand is coming after the horn, and he brings Trollocs.  Then its mentioned that the Seanchan have no Trollocs, but the shadow had other nasty creatures there.    Any idea what those could be?  Like their normal monstars are bad enough...

 

Turak was speaking of the Armies of Night. When Luthair and his buddies encountered the various exotic animals the Seanchan used, they assumed they were Shadowspawn. Now its just propaganda like most things surrounding the Consolidation.

[elmis]

As always you make good points Luckers, but what about the second time they use a Portal Stone, when they travel to Toman Head? The flickering experience there is very much like the Aes Sedai Archways, even down to the truths they had no way of knowing - Rand being in the Queen's Guard fighting the Seanchan.

 

I also don't believe that it's simply a gateway to another world, but the 'mechanics' of the Archways are probably connected to the Portal Stones in some way.

[Luckers]

As always you make good points Luckers, but what about the second time they use a Portal Stone, when they travel to Toman Head? The flickering experience there is very much like the Aes Sedai Archways, even down to the truths they had no way of knowing - Rand being in the Queen's Guard fighting the Seanchan.

 

I also don't believe that it's simply a gateway to another world, but the 'mechanics' of the Archways are probably connected to the Portal Stones in some way.

 

Yes, I do agree that it access parallel worlds in its function, but my guess is that it works through Tel'aran'rhiod, not devices like the Portal Stones--it is, ultimately, a constructed reality built from the persons mind, not a new world.

 

Keep in mind that the dream world touches all the parallel worlds--indeed, Egwene at one stage encounters a dream of someone from another world. And beyond that the ter'angreal tried to melt itself into the ground, and effect only known when two ter'angreal of a similar nature are made to work nearby each other. The only other ter'angreal in the room was the dream ring of Egwene's.

 

My guess is that the ter'angreal creates a sort of controlled reality within a pocket of tel'aran'rhiod. It is manipulated by the persons knowledge, experience and emotions (thus allowing the facing of fears) to create a recognizable enviroment, but it is also made from realities outside the persons mind--likely to allow it to stabalize, or else it would be as fluid as the dream prison made by the hedgehog ter'angreal.

 

It makes information learnt within both important and untrustworthy, since it could, and seemingly does, draw on information from multiple worlds.

 

 

[lou]

the archways are effectively controlled by the AS, as it was alluded to in NS during moiraine's testing when in her POV she thought elaida had added moiraine's father to the experience. we dont really know if the portal stones can be manipulated at all, let alone controlled.

 

[RobertAlexWillis]

the archways are effectively controlled by the AS, as it was alluded to in NS during moiraine's testing when in her POV she thought elaida had added moiraine's father to the experience. we dont really know if the portal stones can be manipulated at all, let alone controlled.

 

What happens in the archway ter'angreal used in the test to become Accepted is not controlled by the Aes Sedai.  What Moiraine was describing is the test for to become Aes Sedai, which uses an entirely different ter'angreal, an oval ring (see NS, ch 9).

[SheaththeSword]

What happens in the archway ter'angreal used in the test to become Accepted is not controlled by the Aes Sedai.  What Moiraine was describing is the test for to become Aes Sedai, which uses an entirely different ter'angreal, an oval ring (see NS, ch 9).

 

Woh they are different?? Please sir i dont understand...