LOST - season 4 *Possible Spoilers*

[Tenshin_Xo]

I just realized, Locke is leading them back to the Barracks, and although there are a number of others headed for the Temple, there is bound to be some very bad blood when they meet up.

[Emperor]

Lost 4.2 FAQ

 

What’s It Called?

“Confirmed Dead.”

 

Who’s Responsible?

Teleplay is credited to Drew Goddard (“Cloverfield”) and Brian K. Vaughn (“Y The Last Man”), who coincidentally or not authored story arcs for the blockbuster “Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season Eight” comic-book series.

 

What does ABC say?

“The survivors begin to question the intentions of their supposed rescuers when four strangers arrive on the island. Guest starring are Ken Leung as Miles, Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday, Rebecca Mader as Charlotte, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, Mira Furlan as Danielle Rousseau, Tania Raymonde as Alex, Blake Bashoff as Karl, Marsha Thomason as Naomi, Lance Reddick as Matthew Abaddon, Jill Kuramoto as female anchor, Necar Zadegan as translator, Azure McCall as Mrs. Gardner and Kanayo Chiemelu as African/Tunisian man.”

 

Does it utilize flashbacks for flashforwards?

Flashbacks.

 

Who gets the flashbacks?

Five newcomers to Dharma Island: Daniel (the twitchy fellow we met at the end of last episode), Miles, Charlotte, Frank and Naomi. They are all supercool.

 

Naomi gets a flashback? Is she not dead?

She’s dead; she gets a flashback.

 

What’s doing with team Shephard?

Coping with Naomi’s suspicious friends.

 

What’s doing with Team Locke?

Headed for a cabin.

 

Do we learn who’s been parachuting Dharma groceries onto the island?

Not this week.

 

Do we learn how the newcomers can find the island when nobody else seems to be able to?

I think we get a pretty good clue.

 

Does George (the walkie voice played by “Short Circuit” icon Fisher Stevens) show up in person this week?

He does not. But he is heard from again, and asks if he’s on speaker.

 

Do we learn more about Abbadon this week?

We do.

 

Do we see Jacob this week?

No.

 

Since Tunisia is in Africa, isn’t “African/Tunisian man” a little redundant?

I don’t know.

 

Was last week’s episode the weakest “Lost” season premiere to date?

Yes. Which is not to say it was terrible.

 

Is tonight’s episode better than last week’s?

Unquestionably.

 

Does Desmond make any predictions?

No.

 

Does Michael and/or Walt turn up?

No. But Walt is referenced.

 

What about Pretend Charlie?

No.

 

Smokezilla?

No. But Locke does ask Ben what Smokezilla is!

 

No Christian Shepard?

No.

 

Horace and Olivia Goodspeed?

No.

 

Matthew Fox said time travel would be an element of the series. Could Adam and Eve be Jack and Kate?

I don’t know.

 

What’s great?

“Can’t really say it’s our primary objective.” “Now take me to her body!” “It doesn’t scatter quite right.” “He can’t come to the phone right now.” “She was not on the plane!” Jeremy Davies! Ken Leung! Rebecca Mader! Michael Emerson! Terry O’Quinn! Evangeline Lilly (how come they’re not sticking her in more movies?)! The tool. The collar. The photo of Ben and Ben himself. Most of all, the flashbacks, swimming in fresh mystery!

 

What’s not so great?

I’d like to know why Frank was so sure the ring wouldn’t fall off.

 

How does it end, spoiler-boy?

With Ben.

 

Who are said to be featured in future episodes again?

4.3 “The Economist”: Sayid

4.4 “Eggtown”: Kate

4.5 “The Constant”: Desmond

4.6 “The Other Woman”: Juliet

4.7 “Ji Yeon”: SunJin

4.8 “Meet Kevin Johnson”: Michael

 

[OzzieAlThor]

How many days before the episode do you usually post that kind of spoiler Emp? I want to know so I can avoid seeing something like that in the future. I'm not complaining, I just figured "Possible Spoilers" would = past events, not future episodes.

 

Kinda ruins the fun to know what will happen. Thanks!

[Emperor]

Argh.  I usually do a better job of hiding them but I never looked at my post after I submitted it. 

 

I post it the day of.  Again usually I hide the text so you need to highlight it to see it.  Going to fix now.

[Tenshin_Xo]

There were two polar bear cages.  Could the skeleton they found be the second bear transported through time and space somehow? 

[Emperor]

Wow that was a great episode. 

 

So what we learned....

 

Ben is wanted by the rescuers.  Ben doesn't know about the smoke monster.  We know why everyone thought everyone on 815 was dead.  We know there is a mainland coverup. 

 

New questions:

 

How does a polar bear with a hydra darma logo get out into the desert?  Why do they want Ben? 

 

How about this:

 

 

The whipsers from last week's episode:

 

LEFT

"You have to believe it's me, Nikki"

"Shush"

"Did anyone say something?"

"I said nothing"

"You better not say a f**king thing or talk about Desmond"

"It's Me"

 

RIGHT

I'm not going to listen to them"

"It's January 7th"

"I see somebody"

"Do you recognize him?"

 

Source: Lostpedia

 

 

I wonder if 888-548-0034 leads anywhere as this was the Hotline from last nights episode.....IT DOES!  Just a recorded message about the crash.  I love this attention to detail though.

 

 

 

[Majsju]

Great ep, yeah. Tricksy little buggers though, when Vincent returned to Jacks group, we saw the red flowers that means someone is going to die. Only, the person who got shot didn't die.

 

I'm quite sceptical about the second polarbear being a victim of time and space travel. Seems a bit lame..."Ok, here's your timetraveler - a very, very dead polarbear"

 

But perhaps Dharma had some experiments going before the island was found. Did anyone catch what the dig was about aside from Mr Bear?

[Tenshin_Xo]

Set photos spoilers!!!!!  

 

Oeanic Six.  A portion of the reveal is supposed to be in episode 7.  

 

Jin and Sun may be amoung the Oceanic six.  Recent set spies have seen Jin and Sun and a modern setting with much in the way of gear for a newborn! (FlashForward)  This puts a suspect list at Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Jin, Sun and Hurley.  I have reports that Sawyers speculated spot is actually Sayid, who may be blamed for a terrorist attack on the plane, and is evading authorities with Kate.

 

My computer here at work doesn't resolve colors well so feel free to alter if its not hidden well enough.

 

 

[Emperor]

Maj I noticed the red flowers as well and thought the same thing.  All the screencaps I have of the dig site do not show anything unusual.

[Cadsuane]

So far seriously I dislike 2/4 of the rescuers.  :P

 

I'm not sure I believe that Jacob is Frank Lapidus. The forehead and hairline look too different, and it doesn't really make sense to me. My guess is that they are both guys with short beards, long hair, and receding hairlines (although not receding the same way, to my eye).

[Tenshin_Xo]

Ditto cads, concerning Jacob.

 

I like Dan and Lapidus so far, but I kinda want to hit Miles and the girl, or let John pull that trigger.

[URUban]

who thinks the whispers could be echoes bouncing around the island. I do

[Werthead]

Something major to watch out for in this week's episode:

 

We finally get the definitive answer on whether or not time passes in the real world and on the Island at the same rate.

 

Spoilers have also let slip detailed plot information on episodes 3 and 4, but apparently 5-8 are under extremely tight security. Also, major, show-shattering, "WTF?" events are listed for episodes 4, 7 and 8, including the deaths of two regular/recurring characters (the ending for episode 4 is indeed a surprise, although not exactly as monumental as some have said). Apparently the ending of episode 8 is the sort of cliffhanger that was supposed to be resolved the very next week, not six months later, and, with the strike now over, the Lost production team and ABC are apparently going to rush the show back into production ASAP to minimise the wait.

 

Another spoiler tidbit: apparently the term 'Oceanic Six' is not entirely accurate as ten people, possibly eleven, who were on the Island will be seen off it in the flash-forwards timeline. What is odd is that at least one of them is known about by the outside world, but he/she isn't factored into the count. No explanation is known for why this is the case.

[Cadsuane]

They just aren't allowed to kill off Sawyer. I need my weekly fix of southern bad boy.  ;D

[Werthead]

Lost's producer is upbeat that all eight remaining episodes being shot this year:

 

NEW YORK (AP) - Damon Lindelof is eager for some answers. An executive producer of ABC’s mystery serial “Lost,” he should learn this week what his show’s future holds as it closes out its fourth season.

 

“Lost” has been back on the air just two weeks. But the strike meant a planned 16-episode shooting schedule was halted after just eight episodes were shot. Fans braced themselves for no more this season.

 

“But we very much want to come back and do as many episodes as possible,” said Lindelof, who then listed a few issues that first need to be settled.

 

“How many episodes can best serve our story? And what are the production realities?” He noted that the shooting facility in Hawaii, 2,500 miles from his Los Angeles office, had been shuttered since Thanksgiving. The crew has dispersed, the huge cast has scattered.

 

The first new post-strike episode of “Lost” could possibly be ready for broadcast the week after episode eight appears, he said. There likely would be three or four more after that.

 

Could there be even more?

 

“I’d be surprised if the network wanted to air episodes deep into the summer,” he said. But if all the pieces fell into place, “Lost” fans would be blessed: “I don’t see why we couldn’t deliver all eight remaining episodes.”

 

That kind of zeal should warm viewers’ hearts. Lindelof and the rest of TV’s creative community seem delighted to be back.

 

Almost as delighted as we are.

[Emperor]

And my usual spoiler ladden preview that usually raises more questions about the episode than answers.  Revealing stuff will be hidden per usual.

 

“A war is coming!!”

 

“Help!!!!”

 

“I believe he can get us off this island!!”

 

“He said the people on that ship were coming to kill us!! Are you??”

 

“Not yet!!”

 

Tonight’s episode, “The Economist,” was scripted by Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz (“Birds of Prey,” “One Tree Hill,” “Life As We Know It”). ABC tells us:

 

Locke's hostage may be the key to getting off the island, so Sayid and Kate go in search of their fellow castaway in an attempt to negotiate a peaceful deal. Guest starring are Ken Leung as Miles, Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday, Rebecca Mader as Charlotte, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, Mira Furlan as Danielle Rousseau, Marsha Thomason as Naomi, Armando Pucci as Italian man and Thekla Reuten as Elsa.

 

 

Beware superspoilers.

 

What we think we know about tonight’s “Lost”:

 

* Sayid will propose a deal with angry psychic Miles and bushypilot Frank.

 

* Ben will continue with the taunting.

 

* Locke will fail to find Jacob’s cabin.

 

* Hurley will question Locke’s leadership.

 

* Kate will join Sayid and Miles for a big convergence on Othertown.

 

* Kate will find Sawyer, then leave him, presumably to throw in with Jack.

 

* The flashforwards are Sayid’s.

 

* Sayid is revealed to be, like Jack, Kate and Hurley, a member of the “Six.”

 

* Sayid may be living in snowy Germany and putting the bone to Elsa (played by pale Dutch actress Reuten).

 

* By episode’s end, Sayid may be revealed to be collaborating with the fellow who shot Libby and Ana Lucia to death.

 

TV Guide’s Michael Ausiello said Wednesday that “Grey’s Anatomy” will soon return to take back “Lost’s” current timeslot – but “Lost” will not exit Thursday nights. The final fourth-season adventures of Hurley, Locke, Ben, et al, will inherit the 10 p.m. post-“Grey’s” slot formerly occupied by “Big Shots” and currently occupied by “Eli Stone.”

 

Next week: Kate Austen heads to “Eggtown.”

 

9 p.m. Thursday. ABC.

 

 

[Emperor]

Great Episode.

 

And now some screencaps.

 

 

 

 

And of course one of the biggest thing we learned is that there is a 31 minute time difference from the outside world.  Odd how they talk over the radio is instantious.

 

 

[Cadsuane]

Actually, what we know is that during the period between when both watches were in the outside world and both watches were placed next to each other on the island, the time on the island moved 31 minutes faster/slower than the time on the outside (I can't remember which watch was which... say that ten times fast). My guess is that it's cumulative, so if the period had been longer, the difference in time would be even larger.

 

Also, the pilot was told to follow exactly the coordinates going out as he took coming in, which I guess are probably 325, same as Michael was told to take when he left with Walt. This seems to be the way to be able to access the island, which explains why everyone else that tries to leave, fails.

[OzzieAlThor]

Seeing the pace of the show, coupled with the fact that we know for sure there is an end date AND taking into account this was probably my favorite episode in the last 3 seasons:

 

I officaly am back in love with this show. :D

[Werthead]

Good stuff.

 

People seem to have been getting confused about the timeslip thing though (especially on The Fuselage, the centre of Lost nerdom on Earth). Time is progressing the same on the Island and in the outside world. Desmond and Locke's conversation in the Season 2 finale proved that. When Locke said what date it was they crashed on, Desmond doesn't bat an eyelid, suggesting that that date is in accordance with Desmond's own perspective of crashing on the Island three years earlier.

 

Then every single conversation between someone on the Island and someone off it (including Charlie and Penny's in the Season 3 finale) has progressed in real time between the two.

 

What this episode did was prove that the Island is not in synch with the outside world. It exists 31 minutes in the past compared to the rest of the world. When the rocket hits the edge of the barrier it vanishes from the freighter's point of view. 31 minutes later the Island 'catches up' to that moment and the rocket reappears and lands. I'm going to hazard a guess that the properties of the barrier bend radio waves backwards and forwards so people can talk in real-time across the barrier, but physical objects have problems. This may be why Juliet had to be sedated when the sub took her to the Island. This is also why the Island cannot be seen by the outside world: it is sealed away in the past, aside from when non-button-pushing-related craziness brings it back into synch with the rest of the planet.

[Cadsuane]

D'oh! Guess I was wrong.  ;D

[Luckers]

Has it occured to people that the issue is not in time, but in space? They clearly cohabit the same time, yet the distance of travel required longer time than it theoretically should. Additionally  Regina's comment all related to 'distance from target'. 30 seconds from target. This is added to by the difference in the times. They are not 31 minutes out of sync-indeed, they are obviously in sync given communications--it merely takes 31 minutes longer to travel the distance than it should.

 

Altogether it seems to me that it is space, not time, that is the issue here.

[Tenshin_Xo]

Elsa's bracelet was a clone of the one Naomi was wearing. 

 

Keep in mind that the gal on the boat that launched the payload had a signal from the rocket saying it was 0km from the target (Faraday) even though it hadn't arrived.  Also, Faraday must have been expecting something like this otherwise why have a device which syncs clocks and a rocket designed to deliver the time piece.  I'm wondering if somehow we've just seen the effects of some very very strong relativistic effects.  SD!

 

It also seems to me that you can call from the island, but not to the island, otherwise why wouldn't Minkowski just call to talk to Lapidus.

 

I can't help but wonder if the 31 minute lag, and the 108 minute button pressing cycle are related somehow. 

[Werthead]

Some bad/good news. Lost Season 4 will take a month-long break after Episode 7 airs in the second week of March. Although the first eight were completed before the Strike, apparently 7 is a much better cliffhanger than 8 as ending on 8 would be 'too cruel' for the viewers. The series will then return in the last week of April to run through the remaining six episodes. Gray's Anatomy takes over from Lost. When Lost returns it will air after Gray's at 10pm. The producers and the studio aren't too keen on this (the series' ratings dropped when it moved to 10pm last year) but feel it's better than waiting and airing Lost across mid-summer.

[Emperor]

Damn.... gramps likes to be in bed by 10pm.