What's Wrong With Saidar (the female one)

[DuDZiK]

I am currently re-reading Crossroads of Twighlight, and I had a thought.

 

At the end of the previous book, Rand used Saidar to help cleanse Saidin and afterwards the Choden Kal was destroyed from the effort. Now in Crossroads of Twighlight people are starting to say how Saidar is... failing. The wards in the Tower are failing, for instance. The keeping wards they cast over the barrels of meat fail.

 

So I wonder to myself if the process of cleansing the male source did something in return to saidar, or is the timing just coincidence?

[aevogt]

If I'm not mistaken, all of the issues with Siadar and Saidin acting wacky were as a direct result of too much of each being drawn through the bowl of the winds.

[BKVMC]

Saidar  still functions the same  as always  its  tied off wards  that are  failing and  that points more towards the dark one touching the world more. the  difficulty of  directing saidar and saidin near the area where the  bowl of the winds was used is because of the residual  effect left when the bowl was used i  imagine this will fade in time.

 

If saidar was failing  the wheel would be failing  it is 1/2  that turns the  wheel  if it was tainted the  aes sedai would know it was tainted  when  opening themselves to the source.

[Shendare]

Actually, if you lose too much water pressure in your plumbing, the faucets cough and sputter in the process of returning to normal again.

 

I imagine it's something similar. The flow of the One Power was channeled away from its regular course to a level never attempted before, and it's struggling to recover.

 

Another interesting thought is that if the One Power turns the Wheel of Time, and the One Power slows its flow for a short time, does the Wheel of Time itself slow a little until the flow resumes, like the water wheel at an old mill?

[SinisterDeath]

Actually, if you lose too much water pressure in your plumbing, the faucets cough and sputter in the process of returning to normal again.

 

I imagine it's something similar. The flow of the One Power was channeled away from its regular course to a level never attempted before, and it's struggling to recover.

 

Another interesting thought is that if the One Power turns the Wheel of Time, and the One Power slows its flow for a short time, does the Wheel of Time itself slow a little until the flow resumes, like the water wheel at an old mill?

 

 

No, its not that at all, it has to do with the dark ones prison failing.

His touch is spreading upon the world. Why else do you think food is rotting so fast? The wards are failing because the 'rot' is stronger then there wards...

[TurboZ]

Also food is spoiling everywhere and bugs are contaminating it. Look what happened when Perrin went to buy supplies in the city that sees the dead walking. It's not saidar that is failing, it's the seals on the bore that are failing.

[Shendare]

Heh heh heh... well, it sounded good to me.

 

Guess I should really read the latest three books so I have a clue what's being talked about, eh?

[purplemonster]

it helps when you know that no offense

 

but i always thought that the seals were being broken by darkfreind channelers and all the DO never crossed my mind

[Zachary]

No, its not that at all, it has to do with the dark ones prison failing.

His touch is spreading upon the world. Why else do you think food is rotting so fast? The wards are failing because the 'rot' is stronger then there wards...

 

When you said that, an interesting thought crossed my mind.  The tied off wards, those could also be 'rotting'.

 

Granted, I know less about the last three books than the rest, but I don't see it as the wards and the rot contesting for the food, but more that the wards are rotting, and allowing the food to rot, if you see the difference.

[DuDZiK]

 

No, its not that at all, it has to do with the dark ones prison failing.

His touch is spreading upon the world. Why else do you think food is rotting so fast? The wards are failing because the 'rot' is stronger then there wards...

 

I believe that is incorrect. The function of the 'keeping' wards is to keep anything that is within the ward as fresh as it was when it was woven, until the weave is removed to access the contents. So when the ward is woven the meat is not rotten at all, so it shouldn't be able to overcome the ward. It should be 'kept', so to speak.

[Shendare]

If the "surface of saidin" was "slick with the taint", as I remember reading in the books, is it possible that saidar was made more slippery when it was used as a funnel for the taint from saidin, and the wards tied off with saidar are now slipping loose because of the taint residue making them slick?

 

Just a thought I had. Oil a knot in a rope, and it can become unraveled where it would have held fast otherwise.

[BKVMC]

if saidar had been tainted  every female aes sedai  holding saidar would have faced the same fate the  male channelers faced  when saidin  was tainted. nothing in the books suggests  saidar  has been tainted  the only thing the  books say  is that  the  wards are failing  while this  is probably  due to the  DO  touching the world  i  dont think its because saidar is failing or we  would see failures  on  actively using the power and  as  yet no one has been unable to channel.

[Shendare]

Oh, no, I'm not suggesting that saidar itself has been tainted, only that it's got a slippery residue left over from when it was -funneling- the taint into the evil of Shadar Logoth.

[BKVMC]

hum  i  dont think its possible  because saidar and saidin  repel each  other  thats  how they  turn the wheel and the taint was in over around saidin  i think the male channelers  described the  taint as like  a coating of oil over the true source is where  you might be getting the slick impression from :).

 

But we are all guessing as to  why  tied off wards are  failing  im curious to  see if  wards tied  off with saidin are failing to  but i havent seen any male POV to  attest to that yet.

[Luckers]

Tied of wards arn't failing--as in they are still there, as strong as they ever were. The ones strengthening the stone of the the harbor, for instance, is as effective as it ever was.

 

What's actually occuring is, as others have said, an effect of the Dark One touching the world. The Dark Ones touch is causing fast spread rotting--and that is causing people to come to the wrong conclusion that it is the wards that are imperfect. They arn't, they are as strong as they ever were. It is just that the rotting is occuring anyway--and that is because of the Dark One, not because of any new 'failing' within the Power.

 

It is much the same with wards designed to repulse the rats and crows and so forth, again the Dark Ones influence is transcending their ability to stop.