Death in the Artic - Mafia Game!

[Vemynal]

He is lying.

 

and whose to say your not the one lying FDM? just saying I'm lying doesn't mean i'm lying.

 

I've also sent Ilgross a pm to see if perhaps he left out any information regarding my role as Captain. I have a feeling though, that if I were responsible for killing someone, I would have been told about it.

 

if I'm not mistaken the mafia were responsible for killing the captain, so you being guilty of that means your mafia.

 

In his role reveal, he has shared no information other than "Far killed the captain". What is my alignment? What is my role?

 

Ilgross pmed me and told me i am only given the alignment of players, its my weakness as I'm a "vig/cop" and yes he called me that exactly this time. Something tells me the names you associate as good or bad ilgross has not associated for this game.

 

you are not Vemy, whom people think a hyper-space cadet

 

I'm sure we can agree to leave out name calling :P

 

If I end up being nightkilled after Wes's lynch, at least you have a feast of prime suspects. Once Wes's alignment is confirmed, you will have an avalanche of information, based on Vemy's whopper and the reactions of others throughout the election of the Captain, and since. You will know that Alys is innocent, and hopefully with one more night, I will have two more chances at doing what I do well

 

I'm not sure if you missed the memo FDM but ilgross said we are given role on death but not alignment. Further supporting my idea that the evils are indeed roled.

 

His reveal just seems so...convenient to take down FDM

 

That would probably be because I only revealed because FDM came up evil for me =/. So yeah, my reveal is entirely based around trying to kill FDM since I was told shes evil.

 

Vem is unclear on whether or not FDM is evil, he is making the assumption on the comment that she killed the captain (I am right aren't I?)

 

Dead on =/

 

 

Now here is where the fun starts. In ilgross' pm to me he did not clarify whether fdm was mafia or not (in fact he entirely ignored the subject, I'm resending my pm to make sure I didn't forget earlier) but he did tell me that i only receive alignments and not roles. Now based on the fact that the mafia killed the captain and I was told fdm killed the captain that means to me that shes mafia

 

We also knew fdm was viewed and that I viewed her, so then am I a clumsy cop so people know if they are viewed? Or am i a paranoid cop who everyone turns up guilty? because at this point I'm seriously doubting that I'm both.

 

And there is an easy way to figure this all out, your right. By lynching Wes we find out if FDM is right about him or not and if she is right then I am wrong, meaning that I must be some form of paranoid cop and that a different finder also viewed FDM last night who is indeed a clumsy cop.

 

So heres what I'm going to do, I'm going to vote [glow=red,2,300]Wes[/glow]

 

If he is what FDM says he should be then I'm going to view myself tonight and see if i turn up guilty. If Wes doesn't turn up how FDM said he should then I'm planning to night kill her. Is everyone agreeable to that? after all if shes lying then she dies during the night and we find out if she was wrong or evil. If shes right then I view myself and find out if I was wrong or if this was a clever move to make fdm seem good (if i turn up evil or if I turn up good) and we either lynch me tomorrow or move on to someone pending what you guy plan on doing. If I turn up innocent then i plan to go after fdm from the get go.

 

 

[Vemynal]

Vote Count:

 

DPR(6): FDM, leelou, Dark Justice, Dsage, Vemynal

[Kryos]

No, this is ludicrous. I will not vote for DPR under these circumstances. It is insane. He has admitted to being the Serial Killer, he has stated it's a 50/50 chance of him being viewed as evil, so when he turns up as a goody, we suddenly turn on FDM? But it was plain as day what he said. I'm sorry Vemy, but no. Even you guys have enough logic to see that killing DPR for this whole theory to pan out is insane, cause in the end all it can do is prove DPR right. It will prove nothing about you Vemy, and nothing about FDM. That's it. So we lynch someone who has claimed being innocent. Can't you see that? Is it an elaborate game by DPR? It is possible I suppose, but I'd prefer to have a killer on the side of good than on the side of bad honestly. It makes it easier on us innocents. Call me out if you choose, but at least consider the fact that even if we lynch DPR, it may not solve a darn thing in the least. And I'll explain my reasonings for this a little later. I need food.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Sirayn[/glow]

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Vemynal is lying.

 

I can't quote my pm, but I just got a response from Ilgross saying that I did NOT kill the Captain. I realize that this is all my word against Vemy's right now, but he is lying, and if I turn up dead, you need to LYNCH him.

 

I'm trying to break it down, because I am bad at blocks of text.

 

1. I reveal as Finder and share that DPR is mafia and serial killer.

2. Wes admits to being a serial killer, but says I have a 50% chance of being told he is innocent/evil. Oh, and he's an innocent serial killer.

3. I post about being investigated, and the possibility of there being an evil finder.

4. Amazingly enough, Vemy chimes in saying he is exactly that, but he also has the option to kill each night. He is a Finder/Assassin though...who knew?

5. Talk talk talk...Vemy says that the only thing he was told in his apparent investigation of me, was that I killed the Captain. NOT that I was evil...but that I killed the Captain.

6. He will only say that he "interprets" that as mafia.

7. Kryos refuses to vote for the serial killer, and does a random vote. He seems to think that multiple "innocent" vig roles (and not just your ordinary vig--but vig's that get more than one kill per game each...oy!) parading about at night are a great thing.

 

 

[Kryos]

As to number 7, I do believe I said innocents with the ability to kill can be a good thing yes.. Hmmmm... why is that? Let's see, oh, they can night kill the mafia. That's right. Wanna try and have me attempt to eat words again? Doesn't work as easily as you think. To coin your phrase, use a little common sense.

 

Random vote? No, not in the least. I see nothing random about it from my point of view, and did I not say I'd explain it more in a bit? Didn't I? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe I said that. I'm sorry FDM, in my eyes, you keep looking more and more evil as the day goes on. You're lashing out at people, you're not thinking things through, and for what? There's no discernable reason why I'd be listed number 7 in your list if you were thinking for the greater good of all the innocents, but are you?

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

What are you talking about? Lashing out at whom? I was merely posting my thoughts...take a chill pill.

 

I think you need to take a few deep breaths and reread what you just wrote. I wasn't lashing out at anyone, and I find it odd that you would take everything as a personal attack at yourself. I have no idea what you mean, in reference to my trying to make you eat anything. Again, you are taking this way too seriously guy. Chill out and start again.

 

I see nothing random about it from my point of view, and did I not say I'd explain it more in a bit? Didn't I? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe I said that.

Sure, you said it. And I'm sure you will....at great length, but you were missing the entire point of my post, which was that the two people who are claiming to be Vig's BOTH have access to MULTIPLE kills. It is significant. Stop reading everything I say as a personal attack against yourself, and read what I wrote. I've played many of these games, I am no noob. :P

 

I'm sorry FDM, in my eyes, you keep looking more and more evil as the day goes on. You're lashing out at people, you're not thinking things through, and for what? There's no discernable reason why I'd be listed number 7 in your list if you were thinking for the greater good of all the innocents, but are you?

If I am so evil looking, then vote for me. Stop talking about it, and do it. That is something you do...a lot. If you aren't, then stop talking about it. We know how you feel. We've all had the opportunity to read your very long posts about why you think the way you do. And again with the lashing out at people...if you think that, then I am sorry for you...but the only thing I am doing, is providing my thoughts, and disagreeing with things I don't agree with. You are welcome to think what you like, but to make baseless accusations is a bit tired.

 

And as for being number 7 on my list, you need to go back and reread what I've said. They were just some thoughts I was trying to sort out. It wasn't a suspect list, or a list of why people are guilty. My comment about you was a synopsis of events that had happened in sequence, that stuck out to me. Again, this isn't about you, Kryos...I'm going for the win here...the INNOCENT win.

 

When I turn out to be correct, you are going to be sticking a big foot in your mouth all on your own, I have no need to try and "make" you eat your words now. You are mastering that without any of my help. 

 

 

[Kryos]

So, I'm the one who needs to take a chill pill? I am not voting for you because even though what I personally feel, right now a dilemma is on our hands between you, vemy, and DPR. None of you three can be trusted, and the possible outcome of what DPR says would get you killed the very next day if nothing else, especially if what he says is true. Can you not understand that little aspect right there? And you know what? I'm through here. Everyone do as you wish. I'm just going to do whatever and vote when I feel like it. Obviously new players aren't wanted by some.

 

And before you say a single thing towards me FDM, reread every thing I have written. Do it from a subjective point of view. 90% of anything I write is putting things out there in a logical manner to more easily swallow and comprehend. You have a one track mind right now and can't see that, but between you and I, for now you've won. I'm tired of being berated and defending myself, and being berated for defending myself in the manner I choose to do so. You are the one who needs a chill pill. And remember, just because someone is new around here doesn't mean they don't have as much right to be around as you.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote[/glow]

 

And yes, I unvoted because obviously me picking someone for my reasons isn't good enough because from me it is random.

 

And for the record, why did I vote Sirayn? Simple. Who more than FDM has been adamant about jumping on people just because of what they revealed their roles as? I find it rather blatantly obvious myself. Even after they gave their explanation of their particular role. It is like she's jumping out for a string trying to hold on to it tightly and hope people follow her. It is a long shot, and if it got people to tag along with it, afterwards, it could be a my mistake... I guess I was wrong. And then hopefully be in the clear on it. That was my reasoning, but in any case it doesn't seem to matter. Everyone is going for DPR right now though I think it is a mistake.

[Vemynal]

I'm gonna skip FDM's my words vs his part of her post and hit the points she made.

 

1. I reveal as Finder and share that DPR is mafia and serial killer.

 

you *claim* finder and *tell* us that Wes is mafia and a serial killer. While I seem to be considering that I could be a paranoid cop and other possibilities you on the other hand fdm have done nothing but attack Wes and ignore anythign he's had to say, tkae a page from what kryos said. We don't know what you know. You all don't know what i know, if you want to win us over fiind something other then "vemy is lying" or "Wes is evil" k?

 

2. Wes admits to being a serial killer, but says I have a 50% chance of being told he is innocent/evil. Oh, and he's an innocent serial killer.

 

we've covered role titles already, it seems ilgross didn't place much detailed stock in what he was telling us when he gave us titles. I'm more of a cop/vig then a finder/assassin if you want to get down to it since i am innocent, but it doesn't change that in my pm he called me a finder/assassin.

 

3. I post about being investigated, and the possibility of there being an evil finder.

4. Amazingly enough, Vemy chimes in saying he is exactly that, but he also has the option to kill each night. He is a Finder/Assassin though...who knew?

 

This is more one point then anything so I'm treating it as such :P. First off, quote me plz where you said there was an evil finder *before* I claimed. And while I register the sarcasm in the post yes actually, I am a finder/assassin.

 

5. Talk talk talk...Vemy says that the only thing he was told in his apparent investigation of me, was that I killed the Captain. NOT that I was evil...but that I killed the Captain.

6. He will only say that he "interprets" that as mafia.

 

you killed captain according to ilgross' pm to me, the mafia killed him in the beginning of the game, therefore your mafia. If A=B and B=C then A=C. And yes, for now i'm saying its an interpretation of you being evil since your right, it didn't flat out say your mafia, only your guilty of his death. I'm waiting on ilgross' return pm.

 

7. Kryos refuses to vote for the serial killer, and does a random vote. He seems to think that multiple "innocent" vig roles (and not just your ordinary vig--but vig's that get more than one kill per game each...oy!) parading about at night are a great thing.

 

We've already seen that Wes if he's telling the truth doesn't have to kill each night. And i certainly don't have too and in fact can productively view people instead. So this "vig scare" your hyping is nothing in actuality as long as no one with vig abilities acts stupid.

 

And in all honestly fdm why are you still attacking me hmm? I've voted Wes and indeed he only needs 1 more vote for the lynch. And when he's dead I'll know whether to view myself or kill you.

 

oh, and btw...*WHY* didn't *YOU* get a roll reveal about Wes hmm? in all his "50/50" comments I haven't seen you address it once even to say he's lying. Mind if you are a finder and get roll reveals then obviously if your telling the truth you know he's lying, so just for the record if he turns up a 50% chance evil when viewed "serial killer" (vig) then I'm killing you :P

 

But I would like you to either come out and say you don't get role reveals as well, in which case you could be wrong about Wes, or that he is lying and you were told nothing about the 50% evil when viewed thing, which when viewed and being told players roles generally the finder knows any secrets the player indeed did not. After all, Barm told Ilgross (Balthamal) how many lynches Griefy (moridin) needed to be in on to win as a neutral player even though griefy herself did not know.

 

So that’s my question to you fdm, do you get role reveals or not?

 

Look, I don’t want to drag this day out any longer but I’m replacing my vote on [glow=red,2,300]fdm[/glow] because she’s not acting like I’ve ever seen her act before (and I’ve only seen her as innocent), she’s ignoring all possibilities of her own in what at least is coming across to me as a desperate attempt to get Wes killed. Yes a possible evil, but also a every night night killer with very good instincts as we saw in nuthouse.

 

If no one other then myself and kryos has placed a vote on fdm by 6pm tomorrow my time (its 10:33pm my time posting this) then my vote is back on Wes just so we can end this and I get the information I want.

 

This may sound heartless but Wes’ death is a tool for information, and in fact he is a possible evil in the sense that FDM could be telling the truth or he’s evil to make her look good and she’s evil. I’ve received my pm saying shes evils and yadda yadda, but imo she’s acting more evil then Wes anyways so for me this cuts to the chase. Is it her who is evil or wrong? or is it me?

 

And I think we all need to relax a little bit :P because you have been acting a bit harsh in your posts fdm, especially this most recent post =/, but I’m recognizing it in my posts as well so I’ll try and calm down as well.

 

And when posting this I haven't read kryos post yet, but at this point I'm poting this because i had to change it for fdm's post and i just want it don >.<

 

 

[Vemynal]

Vote Count:

DPR(5): FDM, leelou, Dark Justice, Dsage

FDM(1): Vemynal

 

not voting: Alys Kinch, Twitch, Talya, Sirayn, Mr. Soy Boyo, DreadPirateRoberts, Danya, Thorum, Safir, Barmacral

 

8 to lynch.

 

"Words in haste make waste"  :(

[Vemynal]

oh! and [glow=red,2,300]I vote for a new captain[/glow]

 

Best that being captain doesn't stay with one of us 3 for the time being.

 

Imo Dark, alys, talya and barm have shown themselves to be appropriate candidates. But to be quite honest, i think this time we elect someone whether they want it or not.

 

if only those who want it apply then better odds of bad things happening =/

[Kryos]

Though I hate to agree with you Vemy, cause it does hurt, especially after you glomped me... Ewwww...

 

[glow=red,2,300]FDM[/glow]

 

[glow=red,2,300]I vote for a new captain[/glow]

 

I'm sorry FDM, but if you were indeed on the side of the innocent, I honestly think you wouldn't be so strong in your attempts to kill someone off, especially someone who's been open with their role. That is my opinion. If I am wrong, then I am wrong, but this trifecta needs to end one way or another.

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Vemynal, for your own clarification:

 

Page 12.

As to the doubt that there could possibly be a second Finder, in games of this capacity it is quite believable that there are multiple roles. Since I was aware that I was investigated, I going out on a limb here and guessing that the other job is a bad cop type job, that allows the person they are examining to know they were examined. I probably shouldn't have revealed that I was examined at all, and it was mostly just reaction on my part (since I do not expect you to reveal to confirm my innocence), but it also occured to me that it could be the type of role where they can only investigate roles, not alignment, which means it could be an evil Finder. This notion only came to me after I saw that DPR was a serial killer, since then the mafia would have a reason to care about who is who.

 

The very next post after mine is yours:

My role is Finder/Assassin, and I viewed FDM last night, what is confusing me is it doesn't say she's mafia, father it tells me she's guilty of the original captain's death.

 

The only reason I am acting with such confidence, and am on the attack, is because I have the clout to back it up. While I understand (as I have said repeatedly) where you are all coming from, I know the information that was presented to me, and I'm telling you that concerning Wes, I am correct. I am telling you, that concerning my killing the captain, you are incorrect. I am not going to entertain the possibility that ilgross lied to me, or that he somehow messed things up, because I have sent him several pms clarifying every little detail.

 

Am I being an aggressive player? Sure. Is this the first time? Surely not. I'm telling the truth, and I am not going to sit around and let anyone lie and misconstrue the information that I have presented. If you choose to take offense to my tactics, I'm sorry. It has not been my intention to insult anyone (again, as I have repeatedly said). But while you choose to see only the bad in what I say, there has been another member who has said some very inappropriate personal comments against myself since near the beginning of this game, and has willfully chosen to continue in that fashion. I will not allow myself to be walked over.

 

I am not surprised by Vemynal's vote. I think he is evil, and during my night action I will examine him for confirmation. I do not think Kryos is evil, I just think he is inexperienced and trying his best to offend me while seeming the injured victim. That is fine. I'm above that. As I have said, I have been aggressive, but that is not always a bad thing. Especially since I am telling the truth.

 

Either way, no matter what, in the end it will be shown that I was being honest through this, and no matter how you try to place the blame on myself or another, or try to justify your actions, it will be known that every claim I've made up until this point has been nothing but complete honesty. I can't say the same for anyone else. 

 

Kryos, I've never said nor implicated that I didn't want anyone new to play the game. I would appreciate it from now on if you would not put words in my mouth. Thanks in advance.

[Vemynal]

At this point all we are doing is going back and forth with the same information fdm. Why don't we hear what others have to say?

 

basically your post breaks down to: 1) I didn't mean to offend 2) You think I'm evil but want to view me first 3) you don't think kryos is evil 4) you responded to my 1st question, many thx^^ 5) you still haven't answered my second question about whether you get role reveals or not. Cuz if you do then either you or Wes is lying. If you don't then you have to admit you might be wrong about Wes.

 

Bah! Even in a post dedicated to saying lets let others speak i try and have the last word. FDM, if you can answer my last question (the one in #5) in a post then go ahead and have the last word and we can let others speak.

 

Cause I can refrain from posting but not from trying to get the last word in it seems >.<

[MsDanya]

I think that maybe certain players needs to calm down a bit. and I'm not talking about only one player either. this is the second mod post i've had to do in this game.. come one guys.. its a game. be nice please, and follow the rules..

 

 

[MsDanya]

I dont really trust either FDM, Vemy or Wes.. there's something fishy going on there....

 

so i'll hold my vote for now.

 

but FDM's agressive posts makes me suspicious of her. but i'm not sure if lynching her is the way to go..

 

 

[Thorum]

Just to say I'm still alive.

 

School is TERRIBLY hard this year, but I should have some time to read this evening. I don't know how the standings are, but I'ld like to make a post then (that's in about 6-7 hours from now).

 

Thanks

[Toy and Minion]

I just...don't know what to think.  Everyone, including myself, seem to be restating the same facts over and over and over.

 

I'll [glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow] for now, as I am no longer sure of anything.

[SBoydW]

[glow=red,2,300]I vote for a new captain[/glow]

 

To much suspicion around you at the moment FDM, and I am inclined to believe that all three of you, Wes, DPR, and yourself, are evil and leadin us on... how'd you say.... a merry chase?

 

I however at the moment won't vote to lynch any of you since this is only a hunch.... though if that feeling grows any stronger I'll vote.

[Sirayn]

Sorry my activity has been a bit patchy. I moved out to university this weekend and I'm trying to settle in.

 

Something I want to pull up:

 

Ok, first off I am JP Morgan and a capitalist traveling on the ship. I want to find the captain’s killer and it explicitly states that I win with the town. It then says I can’t talk during night (cept to ilgross obviously). It says I have henchmen and I can use them to view someone to kill someone. Slightly redundant but again it says I win with the town. Then he wishes me luck^^. And that was hard to do without quoting

 

Does any other innocent find this is almost word for word what their PM contains? Obviously my role is different but I cannot believe that Vemynal could guess so accurately if he was evil. My role PM contains every element he refers to, in the same order, and some parts are literally word for word the same. That's some damn fine guessing unless he received an innocent PM. ???

[Sirayn]

Another person who has been fighting strongly against claims against FDM and such has been Sirayn. Both FDM and Sirayn have been trying so hard to convince everyone that just because of a role title it automatically means they are either good or evil regardless of anything else, so personally, I think those two are the higher ups in my suspect list.

 

Uh ... that's actually not what I said at all. I think you'll find that I said serial killers were typically evil (true), but that I had seen the role title used for a vigilante with a regular night kill (also true), but also that a role who comes up evil under investigation and has a regular night kill is basically indistinguishable from a regular killer (also true). What part of this do you disagree with exactly? Can you substantiate your claim that I am "trying so hard to convince everyone that just because of a role title it automatically means they are either good or evil regardless of anything else" with quotes? At all?

[Sirayn]

And for the record, why did I vote Sirayn? Simple. Who more than FDM has been adamant about jumping on people just because of what they revealed their roles as? I find it rather blatantly obvious myself. Even after they gave their explanation of their particular role. It is like she's jumping out for a string trying to hold on to it tightly and hope people follow her.

 

Substantiate this with quotes or retract it.

[Sirayn]

We need to elect a new captain before we lynch but once that's done I will put my vote on DreadPirateRoberts. Why?

 

1. He is less useful than a finder.

2. He admits to having a regular night kill. This is both classically evil and dangerous even if he isn't evil. It's bad enough if a regular vigilante makes one bad kill ... but if he kills wrongly every night, we're going to hit an endgame wall in a hurry.

3. Far Dareis Mai either has or has a partner with some kind of finder role, whatever her or their alignment, based on the fact that she revealed DreadPirateRoberts' role and he confirmed it.

4. Vemynal potentially has a regular night kill, so he's not high on my list of people to keep either, but he is allegedly a finder and his post about his role PM is giving me good vibes at the moment.

 

I strongly believe that at least two out of Vemynal, Far Dareis Mai and DreadPirateRoberts are evil. At the moment I'm leaning toward the latter two. As a mafia finder, Far Dareis Mai would have both the ability and the incentive to find the (evil) serial killer - since she would need to remove him before her mafia faction can win. However, I do believe it's possible that all parties are evil, with Vemynal potentially being a second (evil) serial killer. Remember that DreadPirateRoberts mentioned before Vemynal revealed that he had been told there could be more than serial killer in the game.

 

edit: Sorry - editing my posts again. I keep forgetting. I think the only change I made was to add the last paragraph.

[Sirayn]

Question: So, if you believe that Far Dareis Mai is a mafia finder who is hunting (evil) serial killers, why do you still want to lynch her target?

Answer: She and we have the same interests. An (evil) serial killer is not on either of our teams. We need to kill off all (evil) serial killers for the innocents to win anyway.

Question: This scenario is hard for Far Dareis Mai to disprove, isn't it? Is there a scenario in which you would accept that she is an innocent finder?

Answer: Find us some mafia. Not serial killers - mafia. And lots of them. ;)

[ilgross]

Calm down guys.

 

Just by the way, all the PMs were written on the same template with only slightly differing details, so I wouldn't look to closely at what was written. Hence the no quoting rule.

 

2ndly)

 

We need to elect a new captain. I have decided that the two votes for lynching and captain will be run simultaneously, with the person with the most votes for Captain at the end of the day elected (or when someone gets a majority).

 

All the votes for lynching still stand, but everyone can vote again for the new Captain, making sure you mark the difference.

[Sirayn]

Just by the way, all the PMs were written on the same template with only slightly differing details, so I wouldn't look to closely at what was written. Hence the no quoting rule.

 

Um ... okay. Commenting on this would be too metagame.

 

Question: How does being found innocent by Far Dareis Mai reflect on Alys?

Answer: Not at all. It would be bold for Far Dareis Mai to name her partner as innocent, but not improbable, particularly in light of the fact that it doesn't happen a lot and therefore we probably aren't looking out for it. At the same time ... it's bold and it doesn't happen a lot. So this is a non-factor as far as I'm concerned.