Death in the Artic - Mafia Game!

[Dark Justice]

should have addet -though- in the end there.

[Alys Kinch]

Bah! In order to substantiate my hunch, I would need more names. For the three that I have, one does not fit the picture. My picture, of course, has more to it than oddly coincidental names.

[Barmacral]

5 pages really is too much for 1 day. I need a few weeks to try and sort all this new info out in my head.

 

Sira - role comparisons with other games should start with the Nuthouse, Wes had a very similar role in my game, there was a clumsy cop in my game where the victim knew when they were investigated... the idea behind that role was henchmen as well, there was a cop who got full role reveals.

 

Not that I imagine you'll have a whole lot of success with role comparisons, all the ones revealed so far are for the most part rather different from mine...

 

This already leaves the possibility of close to everyone having roles? 90% of us perhaps? Ilgross has mentioned such possibilities before (nuthouse again).

 

But enough meta-gaming, this is all some interesting reveals so far, and I'm not quite sure what to think... so far I'm gonna say that I think Wes may be innocent, he's given substantial reasoning for him being innocent, and SK's aligned good are something I've seen before. FDM and Vem are tougher... FDM seems to be the more innocent of the two, except that it doesn't fit Vem's style to come out the way he has unless he's telling the truth. As the two of them are claiming to be different finder's, I'd be wary about lynching Either of them, because if they are both innocent, and we kill 1 in the day, who's to say that the other won't die in the night? I don't see the mafia being this bad at communication (this seems to be the assumption so far?) every night, and I have no idea what sort of situation or restrictions any healer's might have.

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

It's one thing to be called a bad cop/vig....and another thing entirely to be called an assassin or serial killer. There is a reason why there are good and bad classifications. So Finders don't get it mixed up.

 

A few thoughts on Vemy:

Notice how he revealed his roll rather conveniently after I posted my thoughts on a Mafia Finder.

He is lying.

I've also sent Ilgross a pm to see if perhaps he left out any information regarding my role as Captain. I have a feeling though, that if I were responsible for killing someone, I would have been told about it.

I think his whole Finder ploy is an attempt to get whoever examined me out of hiding to contradict him.

In his role reveal, he has shared no information other than "Far killed the captain". What is my alignment? What is my role? You can deliver neither.

He is lying.

 

And my thoughts and accusations have nothing to do with my feelings. I feel frustrated at your lack of believing me (most especially the one that I know as innocent), sure...but this is just a game, and I understand why you feel the way you do (though I will continue to disagree with your crazy notions that are wrong  ;) :D). My thoughts and accusations have all to do with the information I have, and my role...something that will become blatantly apparent once I'm proven correct. :D

 

Alys--You may feel that there are more obvious candidates, but in my opinion, there wasn't a better. You  are not Sira, whom people are so intimidated by they want her out, and you are not Vemy, whom people think a hyper-space cadet. You are one whom people listen to, and support (see Kryos's fawning adoration). You were the perfect candidate to examine on night 1. DPR as well, because you are both passive leaders, in that you do not lead, but rather guide. Again, my opinions (and a compliment, should you choose to take it :)). You don't have to agree...but I'm still gonna voice 'em. :D It was nice, though fleeting...the moment where we actually agreed...for the first time ever...I may have to put it in my sig or something. ;)

 

If I end up being nightkilled after Wes's lynch, at least you have a feast of prime suspects. Once Wes's alignment is confirmed, you will have an avalanche of information, based on Vemy's whopper and the reactions of others throughout the election of the Captain, and since. You will know that Alys is innocent, and hopefully with one more night, I will have two more chances at doing what I do well. :P

 

 

(excuse the crazy number of smilies...I don't want anyone to misinterpret my aggressiveness as mean-spiritedness. :P)

 

 

[Leelou]

The only way I can believe FDM to be a finder with role reveals is to lynch DPR/Wes. Like I said earlier we wouldn't know his alignment but we would know his role. But at that point we could then semi-trust FDM as finder. Today is still like day 1 since we had no deaths except our initial captain and that has no real bearings on numbers. As for information to go on, we don't have much and need all we can get to be able to try to figure out this game.

 

The thing that I find really convienent about Vemy's role is that...,

Ok, first off I am JP Morgan and a capitalist traveling on the ship. I want to find the captain?s killer and it explicitly states that I win with the town. It then says I can?t talk during night (cept to ilgross obviously). It says I have henchmen and I can use them to view someone to kill someone. Slightly redundant but again it says I win with the town. Then he wishes me luck^^. And that was hard to do without quoting :P

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...first night out he views FDM who according to Vem is the ex captain's killer. Now I don't exactly know how this can be proven or disproved without lynching FDM, which I'm not willing to lynch her unless DPR's role comes up different from what she has stated.

 

So with this I'm going to vote [glow=red,2,300]DPR/Wes[/glow] and see how things turn out.

[ilgross]

:)

 

Vote Count:

 

DPR: FDM, leelou, Dark Justice - 4

 

FDM: Vemy - 1

 

[Safir]

This is INSANE!!!!

 

I see what you;re getting at, Leelou, however, Wes has agreed with what FDM has said, only that he is innocent, so I don't think he will come up as anything different.

 

If anyones lying, I think it's Vemy, but that's just me.  His reveal just seems so...convenient to take down FDM.  I dunno.  I'll have a go at the thinking cap for a while.

[Leelou]

Safir...we would then know that FDM and Wes aren't on a team since Serial Killers normally work alone which is why there would then be a higher trust factor in FDMs favor.

[Toy and Minion]

I'm sorry, but it just doesn't make sense to lynch Wes to see if FDM is telling the truth when Wes says she is.  Maybe I'm still a newb, but I can us logic.  Sometimes.

[Safir]

You're a newb Toy?  I thought you weren't.  And I thought you were for lynching Wes.  ???

[Toy and Minion]

Yeah, well, I had to think it over, and I agree with you Safir.

 

No, I'm not a newb, don't know why I typed that, but I am a fairly new experienced player. ;D

[Barmacral]

Dsage got the label perma-newb stuck on him for mafia by me a while back. :P

 

Also Ilgross, either there are only 3 people voting for Wes, or you've forgotten to list a person, either way, your vote count is incorrect. Please forgive me for being too lazy to correct it myself, but I hate doing post counts, its why I slacked off on them so much in my own games.

[DPR]

This is like the Nuthouse part duex: nuts at sea.

 

I've said pretty much all I can, but since Alys asked, I am Mr. Percival White, manufacturer. Hope that helps...

 

I'll say again that I am agreeing with FDM in that she is a finder, but that's all I agree with. If I was not standing under the noose I'd go on and on about how passionate she is, how she is pointing fingers (how did i "adamantly refuse" the captain's role? I was voted by Thorum, and then everyone described it as a dead-man's-post, so I politely declined! Would I have declined if I was mafia?) Eh hem, and how how she has gone on and on about how many people are lying, to the point where she gets a little mean! She is way to experienced for that! But I am under the noose, so...

 

To the innocents, where is Thorum? He did jump right out and vote for captain, but has not been around since morning. Hmm. Maybe. Sira is postulating, yes, but she always does. Alys is analyzing, like she always does, and I think I have a pretty good idea where she stands  ;), so I have to say that it's the "players that are not playing" that concerns me right now. Just saying, and since I was the only one who killed any evils in the nuthouse, at least consider it  :P

 

I also agree that Ilgross has this thing set up kind of weird. I'd stick my tongue out again, but that would be overuse of a smiley...

 

 

 

 

 

[Toy and Minion]

lol

 

Nice catch there, Barm.  I didn't notice that at all.

 

Okay, I'm going to lay down all the info we've received to my knowledge.

 

- FDM has claimed Finder and claims that Wes (DPR) is a Serial Killer and is evil.

 

- Wes says that FDM is correct, only he has a 50% chance of being viewed as an evil.

 

 

- Vemynal claims to be a Finder/Assassin and says that he viewed FDM and found that she is the original captains killer.

 

- Serial Killers are loners.  As to whether or not a Serial Killer is evil is debatable.

 

- The evils either had trouble deciding who to kill, or just decided not to kill anyone.  Either way, it may not be the best thing for the rest of us.

 

(If I missed something let me know please, my brain is working overtime here and, needless to say, it's faster than my fingers.)

 

Now, Vemynal is either telling the truth, or lying, no in-between.  Because the opening scene for today says

 

Meanwhile upon the bridge the navigator dutifully steered the hulking ship onwards towards its destination drifting past the floating icebergs, while he stared at the blood stains left by his former captain, the captain's murder stalked the darkened hallways. Bearing down upon his intended victem, he suddenly realised the standing outside his room were two hulking body guards...with the murder's plans thwarted he fled back to the refuge of his room...

 

Now, if Vemy is telling the truth, then FDM is the “he” in the bolded section above. 

 

Now, there’s no way that FDM could be the captains killer and know what role Wes has at the same time.

 

If we lynch Wes, we see if he is the Serial Killer (which I doubt he isn’t) and thus, we know if FDM was telling the truth or Vemy was.

 

So, I change my view point, once again, and say that lynching [glow=red,2,300]Wes[/glow] is our only means of figuring this Bermuda Triangle out.

 

And for those of you who are going to be asking me about the jumpyness, I had all the info in my head, and it got jumbled, writing it out helps a lot.  ;D

[DPR]

 

So much for the benfeit of the doubt for pirates...

 

What if the navigator, and the captain are two different players? 

 

I've already admitted to being a Serial Killer, and was told that I had a 50/50 chance that I would come up as mafia if investigated. I was not labeled as mafia, and am still trying to help the innocents.  Let Alys analyze my character and at least see what Sira makes of this thing.  I know I'm gonna die, but I'm trying to help the innocent team win at least one game!

[Toy and Minion]

I know what you've said about your role.  To tell the truth, I believe you, as much as I can at this point.  But you're the safest lynch for us in trying to figure out whether or not FDM or Vemy is lying.

 

And yes, I'm possitive that the navigator is not the captain.  Otherwise, why would ilgross say navigator and captain in the same sentence when referring to separate people?

 

Maybe I didn't make that part with the quote clear.  If Vemy is telling the truth, then FDM is the previous captains killer and therefore, could not have tried to kill someone and at the same time, view Wes.  So one or the other is lying.

 

Hope that's clear enough.

 

(And Pirates be Pirates, brother.  Argh! ;))

[DPR]

Fair is fair & brothers are brothers. Arrggghh! It was bad form to accost ye, and I do be aplogozin'.

 

I know. Do what you gotta do.

 

 

[Toy and Minion]

No harm, no foul. Argh!

 

y'know, someones gotta go, and seeing as FDM and Vem have claimed finder type roles, yours lynch will be the least costly.  I dunno about your alignment, but I believe you are the SK.  And if not...

 

That's what we need to know.  You see.

 

I seem to be repeating myself.  Ugh!  It's late Monday.  Forgive.

[DPR]

Since we do be in a game, I understand yer logic...

 

but don't agree with you. There is another path, but I know where trying to influence the crowd gets me.

 

Let the chips fall where they may...

[Barmacral]

If there is another path Wes, by all means, let us know. Personally, I'm not sure that killing you will help much at all. Vem is unclear on whether or not FDM is evil, he is making the assumption on the comment that she killed the captain (I am right aren't I?). So what if they are both telling the truth... from their perspective? Having the two finder's that we apparently do are a very real possibility, it may be a matter of interpretation.

 

So tell us Wes, what route would be better? Because I don't want to lynch any potential finder's, but I'm not overly enthused about the idea of lynching you either. Its pretty easy to end up on the wrong side of a 50% chance, and I don't see that bit of your role as something which you'd come up with on your own. Not that I haven't been wrong before...

[Toy and Minion]

I am curious to this other path of yours as well, Wes.  Please, elaborate.

[DPR]

Collect everyhting that you know, and put it aside.

 

FDM, Vemy, and I are known quantities. Sort of...But at least you know everything you are going to about us. Put that on the back burner, and go for new information. Accuse another mafioso, they are out there! And see what shakes loose! Don't get stalemated and forced into killing an innocent. Explore all of your orptions without losing a team member.

[Kryos]

Myself, I am leaning towards believing DPR myself, and I agree, FDM is fighting against any thought towards her too strongly in my opinion. It does seem a lot of people do have roles in this game, which is definitely making it quite interesting to say the least. Yes, this is going to be a short post of mine, the joys. Yay. I am refraining from voting just yet, that's for sure. Another person who has been fighting strongly against claims against FDM and such has been Sirayn. Both FDM and Sirayn have been trying so hard to convince everyone that just because of a role title it automatically means they are either good or evil regardless of anything else, so personally, I think those two are the higher ups in my suspect list.

[ilgross]

FDM as Captain, has 2 votes.

 

I have decided to change the rules, such that if you want a new captain you must post in the thread. The same 3 votes apply.

[Barmacral]

Much better. Now we can actually get some information out of the whole dethroning situation of the Captain, should it happen.